We’ve confirmed with Adobe that the company is cutting 9 percent of its workforce, or 680 employees. Adobe filed an 8-K with the SEC today reporting the layoffs. Earlier today we heard multiple reports that layoffs were taking place at Adobe. There are also Tweets about the layoffs on Twitter. Last December, Adobe laid off 600 workers (or 8 percent of its staff) due to the recession.
A spokesperson for Adobe told us in a statement that “Adobe is restructuring its business to align costs with its fiscal 2010 operating plan and budget, the company’s three-year strategic priorities and the realities of the business environment, as well as to ensure its ability to continue investing in long-term growth opportunities.” In addition, after Adobe acquired Omniture, the company reduced Omniture’s workforce by 9 percent. According to today’s filing, the restructuring will cost Adobe between $65 and $71 million.
We’ve added the layoffs to the TechCrunch Layoff Tracker. This has been sobering week in the technology world, as Electronic Arts and Sprint both announced significant layoffs in the past few days.
And the recession gets worse…
The recession is easing off. Companies are getting greadier.
it’s easing off only according to wall street…
Sensible enough – human nature was never greedy before now!
They were greedy before. Now they’re greadier.
Hmm… 15%. That’s will be about 1200 workers. I think most of the Layoff will be on administrative part not for IT developer. Am I right?
Hey, I did my part! I juts bought the upgrade version of Acrobat 9 Pro to bring my old Acrtobat 7 installation up to speed!
maybe they can lay off some file size from flash or photoshop. bloated company creates bloated software.
What? Don’t use it their software then.
if you work in the design industries at all you have no choice. they have become a monopoly of sorts.
I was at Adobe for 15 mos on contract, and was supposed to go through EOY, but they cut me at the end of October (their fiscal year). Fortunately they gave me enough notice so I got more work quickly. I feel for those affected.
What did you do at Adobe?
ColdFusion developer on a part of Adobe.com
Ah okay, I was thinking about apply for an internship(Comp Sci)
Nice place to work?
If you’re an Indian.
geez bobo. you’ve been leaving all kinds of comments like this in the yahoo and vivek stories.
don’t listen to bobo, jmaj. you don’t have to be indian to work there. does robG look indian?
robG go laid off. He doesn’t work there.
The Adobe layoffs are impacting the entire company and not just the Omniture team. High-level sales people, managers, partner reps, enterprise developers, and more have already been laid off. No one seems to know why exactly Adobe is doing these extensive layoffs, but they are nearly gutting entire departments especially on the West Coast.
You can thank imported guest workers who are busy taking over Adobe and throwing every American worker they can find out. Clueless Indian managers like Anil Bhavnani who runs up and down the halls writing down the names of every American he can find on a yellow pad so he knows who to get rid of. Brilliant imported Indian managers like Bhavnani who have to ask Americans where he can get the MSDN CD from. Not only that but Bhavnani didn’t even know how to play the Indian IT griftology racket – after being laid off, he asked me to come back “to work for one week only” to train my slumdog replacement. I laughed in his face and sent him and Digby Horner an email telling them to learn their racket better if they were going to play that game. The company is in chaos internally and they have no idea what they are doing.
Or how about “feature-of-the-day” Viet Namese Acrobat project manager Lily Tran whose staff is 100% Viet Namese? No racism or Xenophobia going on there, right professor? She isn’t qualified to run a noodle shop, let alone a software project. When I worked at Adobe and asked her for a GANTT chart, she didn’t even know what one was. No wonder Adobe has to lay people off. Their software is junk, they’ve thrown out all the Americans out who created the company, and the place is filling up with 3rd world losers. In a few more years expect Adobe to end up like Sun bleeding red ink. Thanks imported guest workers. You sure are brilliant. You sure are keeping America competitive.
Someone needs to find out how many in this layoff are Americans and how many are non-Americans. In the 2005 layoff it was 100% Americans laid off. Not one single foreign imported worker was laid off.
This is foreign takeover folks. That’s the reason for this layoff as with others in the past.
Bitter much?
You sound like my grandfather bickering about young people taking over his factory job.
Go and get a cup of coffee and you should be fine.
Sorry the reply meant to go to @Bobo
Mike D, you are indeed an idiot. I’ve seen similar “bring in the lower paid foreign workers” in an other company. But at least this company has its act together a little better.
Mike D is a Canadian. What do you expect?
Mike D,
You are an incredibly rude bore. I hope you lose you lose your job during this bleak market. Most of those let go are not blaming others, but wondering how a once-stellar company with decent ethics wound up making such stupid mistakes, and making those who worked their butts off for them, pay the price for their incompetence.
You must work in an HR department. Better hope you never find yourself out of work when unemployment is over 10%, and you have to worry about keeping a roof over your kids’ heads and food on the table. You’re a puke.
Not bitter – just exposing what’s going on inside the doomed company. I have my own consulting company. I don’t need to work at a hack shop like Adobe making bloated junk no one wants. (Or shipping the Acrobat work to India only to get back a pile of unusable Java code and having to bring the project back).
Nice, now you just hire the 3rd class worker and exploit it yourserlf…
Foreign workers can’t code. I only hire Amercians. Did I mention business is booming?
Bobo/Mike Amarose: After reading all your comments, I’m not really surprised that you were laid off. Actually, I am surprised since you’re the type of person who is normally fired.
Actually, if I ever see your resume in front of me, you’re not getting any contract from me that is for sure.
Like anyone would want to work for a loser like you. As I said, I have my own business. I control my own life, not you or Adobe or losers like Anil Bhavnani or Lily “feature of the day” Tran.
You are a consultant ? or some loser who is bitter because he got thrown out for being no good. Why hide yourself behind an anonymous name ?
Being no good? I hardly think you can call 22 successful commerical software products “no good”.
Did I ever say I was a consultant? I said I had my own company. Open your eyes, jackass.
I’m sorry to say, but these “racist”comments about Adobe letting Americans go, and keeping Indians, Chinese, etc, is true. The vast majority of people let go are over 40 and American-born. Since Bruce C. left the CEO post, the new CEO Chantenyu (sic—I don’t feel like looking his ugly name up) has been gunning for Americans. IN the last 18 months, the Indian office and Chinese office have been on a hiring frenzy. It’s truly shocking and incredibly unpatriotic that this is going on. Soon all of you will be suffering the affects of products made by “cheap” labor.
Mike Amarose, Anil was laid off last year. Why do you harbor so much hate? It’s unhealthy.
I don’t think he is bitter. He is just saying Anil Bhavnani hiring all indians so with his current Wipro job, he is able to get contract/project from adobe with indians that he hire.
Bhavnani’s at Wipro? Man, that’s a good one. What’s wrong? He’s so incompetent at IT that no American company will hire him? Premji will be severely disappointed in him – I hope they provide Anil with Indian IT Griftology 101 training first. He laid a bunch of Adobe workers off in 2005 WITHOUT getting them to first train their replacements. Then he asked them to come back to work for one week only to train their replacements. What a fool. He’s not going to last long at a conshop like Wipro if he doesn’t know how to play their game. Are you listening Premji?
I am knowing java and doing many projects management only
Ha ha!
Must not be very good at Java then.
Amen brother! This is foreign takeover in a stealthy manner. Quite a shame at Adobe, used to love that company.
My employer outsourced 60% of the IT department to India under the guise of cost cutting. The result? 100% budget overruns and 1 years worth of projects that were total write-off failures. Not a single success.
Think Indian IT is smart? I actually had a discussion with an Indian “brainiac” programmer creating a payment processing system who was completely unfamiliar with electronic transfers of money between banks. Didn’t know it existed. No I am not making this up. Wish I were.
Needless to say, that company is now in dire economic straights, and ended up wiping out the IT department (including outsourcing) leaving only mandatory local IT workers to keep the lights on. Maintenance mode only, zero improvement work.
Wake up people, you get what you pay for!
Then you have nothing to fear about. If outsourcing gives no economic value, it will fade away, won’t it? Unless of-course, you are the last remaining smart person, and only you know the truth.
Nicely said…lol
We do have something to fear – the 4-5 million Indian guest workers are still in the U.S. destroying one company after another – and deliberately keeping Americans out of the workforce. If you think losing 100,000 jobs a month is nothing to be feared, you are a fool.
Outsourcing will end when all the wealth is sucked out of the productive countries and is sitting idle in the non-productive countries. If you think the world econ can keep going on that model, keep dreaming.
Unfortunately, there are tons of folks who believe that you can keep increasing the number of jobs outsourced and increase the economic benefit to the economy. Where’s the damn benefit if smart educated people are reduced to mopping up puke and serving burgers at McDonald’s?
Are you serious? You’re going to blame the immigrants for you losing your job?
Yes, I’m going to blame them. They are the ones destroying the jobs created by Americans.
Remember 1998? BEFORE the guest worker visa caps were raised in late 1998 and 2000, the U.S. and SV economies were BOOMING.
Not any more.
Guest workers have not performed as promised.
Every mass immigration wave to the U.S. in the past 100 years has resulted in recession or depression.
Like Prof. Motwani did by helping Google..
free market does not allow racism.. Indians are good not because of race, it is simple number game… one billion must produce some good brains..
1906-1920 – Mass immigration, Great Depression in 1929
1965 – Ted Kennedy’s Immigration Act – Recession 1973-1981
1990 – H-1B program started, recession in 1991-1993
1998 – Visa caps raised to 115,000 – Recession in 2000
2000 – Visa caps raised to 195,000 – Recession in 2008-2009.
Facts and history do not lie.
USA has only been “free market” for the past 10 years and look at the result. It was Reagan’s protectionism in the 80s that produced nearly two decades of uninterrupted growth. India’s not a free market, nor is China, nor is Japan. Why should the USA be?
Besides, Motwani is dead.
don’t pay any attention to bobo. he loves threads like these, and it must be a male because no female can grind the same lame ol axe. i mean any story on this website where he can talk about foreigners (indians, asians, east asians mostly…suprised he doesn’t mention the mexicans or other latin americans or even for that matter the east europeans or europeans coming to the states and taking the jobs of americans) being evil and stealing the poor little american’s job, he builds his own pulpit.
bobo, brother thou, why can’t you be more like art vandelay?
Who is Art Vandelay? 78% of Americans want immigration stopped. Immigration has failed America’s economy. You can’t deny it. Immigrants have been keeping Americans out of the workforce deliberately because they can’t compete with us. A once-booming economy has been destroyed by 3rd world “immigrants”. Mexicans may be illegal but I don’t see them deliberately keeping Americans out of jobs like Indians do.
Because you are not in that industry. If you are working as day laborer u will say that Mexicans took your job too.
Bob, most of developers in Acrobat team are Americans. Indian folks were affected by layoffs as much as Americans. In all these years Adobe outsourced only one big project to India – Illustrator. And that’s about it. 2005 and 2009 layoffs touched mostly dying and not profitable projects, QA and sustaining engineering teams staffed with low level tech folks. I believe you were one of them.
PS. I agree about Lily Tran. She’s clueless dummy.
There are a few Amercians left. At one point they had laid off all the Americans and sent the whole project to India where it was rewritten in Java. That was so bad they had to ressurect the old code and start the project back up in the states. 100% of Tran’s immediate staff are Viet Namese females – I know – I sat in meetings with her team. No racism going on there, right? When I was laid off in 2005 I was asked to come back and train my foreign replacement. If the project was dying, then why did someone (an Indian) replace me? I hardly think you can call someone who has written 22 successful commerical software products “low-level”. Name the software products you’ve personally written.
Please provide stats as to the % of Indians laid off to Americans laid off in this layoff.
Dude, what are you smoking? 99% of the Acrobat code is C/C++. Java is used for some backend projects and LiveCycle. That’s it. Unless you count Javascript scripting support for Java.
Fruitty,
You must have left Adobe quite awhile ago. Illustrator went to India years ago. Since then the entire Print Publishing BU was outsourced, not just the engineering, but the marketing as well, went to India. Much of the localization team went to India, as well as China. IT has moved completely to India. All the Web production work is done from China. Adobe is outsourcing more to China at this time than India. A small empire was built in the Adobe China location last year.
This is all being done in the name of saving costs, yet, in the end, Adobe is still weak (but still profitable I might add, just not profitable enough for the greed executive team.). Looks like these strategic moves to cheaper markets did little to help, but only resulted in a higher job loss rate in the U.S. It didn’t help that the brillian Adobe executive team purchased Omniture during these tough times. The CEO strongly believes in the caste system. He doesn’t give a rip about the people who work for him…we are “beneath” him. He’s been known to snub employees in the elevator at work. Not a good man, and an even worse business man.
That’s just because Americans are lazier than immigrants, so less productive.
Tuh!
There’s something like racism dude.
I worked there for a while, same floor than lily.
She’s not super smart but she is a hard worker and gets job done I believe.
You are talking about non Americans. Hey man at the same floor there were these French guys who were really good, getting everything done on schedule all time. But maybe you haven’t noticed that because these guys are white men so you thought they were Americans… and how about the Russians working on QE? These are damned good workers too. I had to deal with them on some dot release and these guys did work as much as needed to get all done. On the top of that, you have AMERICAN executives that take stupid decisions: cutting QE, cutting sales, but protecting the marketing junks. Look at product managers on Acrobat, these guys suck and I’m sure they are still there. In fact THEY are killing the product and they’re Americans, man.
If you dude get a problem with that, shout yourself. You have to admit that someone better than you doesn’t have to be an American because you’re on the US territory. I worked with these Russian and French kids they were damn good – better than me and I appreciated that.
It was painful to work there – poor management, but great people. I liked the Acrobat dudes you are talking about, on the W16 floor right.
Peace man.
Here’s my impression of Abobe:
Hey, I have a great idea! I’ll spend 1.8 BILLION dollars to take over a company [Omniture] that has literally NOTHING to do with myself. If that’s not genius, then the definition needs redefining.
[few months later]
Holy *S**T*, what was I thinking?!?! This was the stupidest acquisition ever. Almost as bad as eBay buying Skype – but thankfully, no acquisition could top that one when it comes to complete mindfucks, so at least I’m not the stupidest company on the block – but I’m still pretty god damn stupid.
We’re bleeding red and need to trim some fat before the shareholders rip us a new asshole. Eh, what’s 1,000 lives to flush down the toilet? HR, write up some pink slips and tell these pricks to get the fuck out of my face. Maybe they’d still have a job if i didn’t waste 1.8 BILLION dollars on a stupid acquisition, but I’m not going to admit that. I’M ADOBE, BITCH!
Skype, Paypal… I could only wish to have such opportunities! Mobile payments? Nah! Ebay is doing so well…
That had me laughing for at least a couple minutes if not more!
Part of the Indian griftology racket is not just ripping off America – its deliberately destroying our best companies in the process. Can’t have America having better corporations than anyone else. That might harm India’s need for presitge and hype. So they take over our companies and rip off the money & tech, but their ultimate goal in the process is to destroy the company in the end. I wonder how much of the $1.8 billion got sidetracked into Narayen’s pocket (or those of people he knows at the acquired company).
Dey took ar jobs!
Dy took er jbs!
why do i feel like i’m in some bad reddit thread?
Bobo – u r a boob who has been sucked dry..
hahaha – I’m glad there’s no language filter – I enjoyed that!
i think you would do amazing as adobe’s pr spokesperson. i bet more people would like you because you tell things straight up and raw.
It’s obvious by two moves where Adobe THINKS they wanna go:
1/ Acquire Omniture for twice what it was really worth (6x premium on 300m in revenue, normal ‘going rate’ is 3x, for Omniture that’s being generous),
2/ Do that retarded ‘Open Government’ push to PDF *and* Flash. That no one wants because it doesn’t make sense.
So, boys and girls, if the O’bummer administration swallows that be prepared to be tracked every time you pull a PDF from a *.gov site in the next few years.
I used to have some respect for Adobe, but given this ‘new direction’ they’re no better than spammers and spyware shysters.
@DeeSadler is reporting 518 were laid off: http://twitter....atus/5597822878
Adobe really had an amazing run during the early and mid part of this decade. I was always surprised because they just seemed so vulnerable based on these very expensive desktop applications. It felt like a 1990’s model in a cloud/open source world. However, they kept winning quarter after quarter.
Ominture will result in some layoffs but maybe their model is running out of steam?
I enjoyed working at Adobe a great deal and had hoped to become a perm employee. But they did tell me the main reason I got cut was because I was the last US developer on the team; after our lead moved into his new role, everybody else (including QA) was in India.
I have to admit I have a bit of a concern of any large US company whose CEO is from India. It really makes me wonder when all of the jobs, especially jobs that would have paid well over here, are being moved over there.
the world is flat, remember?
it is not about moving jobs here and there, it is about getting things done at a reasonable quality and at a cheap price. It is the same thing we witnessed back in the 90s when China became the central for manufacturing. India might be doing the same for software and technology..
Wipro paid Tom Friedman to write The World Is Flat. It’s not an idea book, it’s a pro-India PR piece. Just wait until all the Adobe work goes to India and Adobe ends up with Vista-like products. Do you think sending a lot of its engineering work to India has been good for Microsoft? It’s been a disaster. Google “Quark debacle”. Did I mention Apple closed all its R&D in India in 2006? Did I mention Apple is booming using mostly American R&D? “Reasonable costs” are useless if the products are so bad no one wants to buy them. And shovelling tons of money into a country that has centuries-old resentments against the west and then arming them with nuclear power might not be the best idea in the world. What are the *long term* implications of doing so?
Cost-cutting used to be a sign of a company in trouble. Now it’s all the rage. But the world econ doesn’t seem to be doing too well since “cost-cutting” took over, does it? Destroying the world’s consumer base through cost-cutting can only lead to more disaster.
More software comes from Scandanavia than from India. Where is the Indian OS? Nearly all sotware projects in India fail and are brought back or canceled. Sending software work to India is the kiss of death for any company.
Name one new modern technology to come from India.
Crazy much?
Wipro-Friedman connection
http://www.wire...5/friedman.html
http://www.sepi...ves/005628.html
http://www.busi...ner-Office.html
http://www.forb...6/1211/051.html
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You’re right. Can anyone name anything invented by an Indian company? Innovation is not part of their culture.
Furthermore, where is the Indian OS? They’ve had a decade of the best IT training in America, and supposedly unlimited brilliant IT people in India. Surely such a “brainy” country can come up with its own OS and put MS and Apple out of business right?
Where’s the OS India?
Or do you still need Americans to tell you how to tell when software is beta?
I’d say Hotmail was a pretty big deal.
Bit off ‘IT’ topic but Tata motors are getting loads of positive press in the UK.
Hotmail? ONE invention out of 5 million imported guest workers? That’s a pretty low ROI expecially considering how much other economic descrution the other 4,999,999 guest workers have caused.
RobG, I have to agree with you. I was at Adobe for 6 years, and loved it. I was laid off last year. The team I was on had a meeting shortly after the layoffs. They were told that the entire team would be in India within the next year or so. My first thought was, ‘I wonder if Bruce were still running the show, would this be happening?’
Then today I hear that the web store team was pretty much gutted this morning – jobs are going to India.
I wonder how Warnock and Geschke feel about what’s going on? I always felt that Adobe was a good corporate citizen…is now the time to move jobs to India??? I don’t know. Sad to see this happening. I may have to move to India to get a job!
With the proper tax credits and other incentives, this wouldn’t be happening. But we have another year before we can put a stop to the powers that are destroying the US economy.
Hear, hear!
Actually Republicans DID DEREGULATE EVERYTHING. What did we get? We nearly get the GREAT DEPRESSION II. Plus, the recession started in Dec. 2007 under W’s watch. Also, Republicans have long supported giving tax credits to companies that outsource jobs. IT Outsourcing didn’t decrease when Republicans controlled congress it actually one of the first waves of it started and then later increased. Get a clue.
It wasn’t “Republicans” who passed the guest worker visa cap increases in Oct. 1998 and April 2000. It was Bill Clinton who did that. Bush walked into a diaster 1 year after Clinton passed the 2nd increase. Any president inheriting that mess would have had trouble fixing it. Bush’s only mistake was to not repeal the increases and deport all the guest workers as promised.
Hah. If you think Republicans are the answer you’re are barking up the wrong tree. For the most part, they are way, way more free trade (”the market will sort it out”) than the Democats.
Never said Republicans were the answer. I said it was Bill Clinton who raised the caps, thus creating the problem in the first place. Stop twisting others’ words.
Communists (like Bill Clinton) are the biggest free traders in the world. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need. Same with the open sourcers.
Free trade has been a goal of communists since at least 1960:
http://www.uhuh...sm/comgoals.htm
#4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
Wake up loser.
Is that a bad thing adobe_alum? Moving to India? I agree one should not leave the comfort of home, but at times like this, it doesn’t hurt to travel a bit. Look at all the indians who do that as well. A business that is global should not necessarily be rooted to one place/region right? And ppl from all places are welcome to move around.
The United States is where all this technology started. We shouldn’t have to move to another country to get a job. The jobs originated here and should stay here.
The East Indians come here because this same thing doesn’t yet exist in India. Jobs are moving to India because the cost there is cheaper, and that’s because of government regulation (interference) with the marketplace.
I’ve never been a fan of regulating things like, “a company must employ X percent native workers,” but I am thinking more and more that American companies should be have AMERICAN (as in American-born) executives. If somebody can prove to me that Shantanu is a naturalized US Citizen, then I’ll shut up.
Otherwise, I do agree that Adobe is being converted to an East Indian company.
The logic of “it started here, so should stay here” is moot. If tomorrow China can do it cheaper and scale it better than India (which they would in a matter of less than a decade) most jobs would move there. Correct?
The next aspect is where is the next market? Most manufacturers/retailers are finding Asia as the next growth market. Still pales in comparison with US as a whole (wrt another individual country), but the market is most promising. China/Japan lead the way FYI. Not that this matters to be frank.
A more rational argument is to look at the best value for money. Any company would look at it irrespective of the sentiments attached. Look at Walmart and its influence on the local mom-pop shops. I would not sit and blame a country/people. I’d be more proactive looking at ways to tap into the potential at other places.
For a moment leave the “country” sentiment and think if it makes sense.
Globalization is the New Communism. Up until 1998 IT was 98% white American males. Even the Japanese couldn’t beat us at software. What makes a 3rd world country like India think it can?
Americans created all this tech, but now it’s being handed to India on a silver platter without them having to lift a finger to help create it. That’s communism. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. India used to be an ally of the (allegedly former) Soviet Union. They haven’t changed their stripes, they are just fooling us. We’re losing our technology to India and it must be stopped or the U.S. econ will only get worse. Read Gorbachev’s 1987 book Perestroika to see how all this was laid out by the Soviets in the 60s and 80s. We need protectionism and we need it now. Even if Shantanu is a naturalized citizen, his loyalty still lies with India since he is from there. This is nothing less than the wholesale transfer of America’s wealth and technology to India.
Japan is a growth market? That’s a good one. Japan is shrinking. India wants into Japan now because the U.S. is finally slamming the immigration door in India’s face.
By now we all know that India, Inc. pulled a fast one on America in 1998 by hiring professional PR/lobbying firm Hill & Knowlton to pump “news” stories into the U.S. media claiming dire economic calamity unless the U.S. opened up to mass immigration. Open up we did, and the current economic disaster is the result.
Now that Americans are waking up and slamming the immigration door in India’s face, India is looking for a new pot of gold to plunder. That pot of gold is Japan. They are pumping the same fake news stories into the media to try to convince the Japanese to let them in in large numbers. When you see artilcles like this, it’s obvious they were written by an Indian hack and not an American author due to the weird English and incorrect words like “work force” instead of “workforce”. No American author writes like this.
Such articles always predict impending doom for Japan due to a “demographic time bomb” (the exact same words are always used).
You need to start recognizing this kind of rant for what it is: paid-for PR written by NASSCOM or some Indian bodyshop looking to scavenge jobs off of other productive countries, take their companies over, clean out their wealth, and collapse everything.
Someone needs to be asking India, Inc. why America had a “vibrant economy” BEFORE the flood of cheap labor from abroad began and why a decade of importing them has failed to keep America’s economy “vibrant”.
The Japanese people will never allow the kind of destructive mass immigration that America has tollerated. Keep dreaming, India.
http://seekinga...ting-to-explode
Virtually all economics students learn that when the work force of a nation shrinks it is difficult if not impossible to sustain economic growth and a vibrant economy.
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The lesson that the U.S., EU and Great Britain needs to learn from Japan is that every country’s population is the feedstock for its economy and if we don’t take care to make sure our population is dynamic, healthy and growing sooner or later bad economic things will happen. In Japan’s case, large structural deficits are the byproduct of bad demographics and not the cause of its problems.
RobG – You are right on the money. Overall, Adobe’s a very wonderful company to work for, but every year, just before the holidays, they solve their financial woes by laying people off, and outsorcing jobs to India and China. The folks that mmake the bad decisions (the E-Team) retain their salaries, lucrative stock options, health benfits, etc.) Oh, this year the E-Team also stuck it to the remaining employees by reducing their benefits as a cost-cutting measure. It is odd that all the outsourcing to India and China has not helped the company financially one whit.
Its an AMERICAN company you stinky hairy dumbass.
People from all places are welcome to move around? Then why did Japan deny India’s recent request to give it free jobs. Under U.S. law, (Title 8, Section 1182), any foreign person working in the U.S. who “adversely impacts the wages or working conditions of Americans is an INADMISSIBLE ALIEN”. People are free to move around? Not under U.S. law they’re not. I would say laying off Americans and moving their jobs to India is adversely impacting the wages and working conditions of America. Since Narayen is from India, that makes him an INADMISSIBLE ALIEN under Title 8, Section 1182 and he should be deported immediately. Since when do Indians understand the concept of laws. If I were one of you laid of Adobe workers, I’d be getting a lawyer and suing Adobe under U.S. laws that specifically prevent these kinds of crimes against Americans.
Damn straight. TAKIN ALL OUR JOBS
The new Indian Nazism
The exact same thing that led to the rise of Hitler’s Third Reich and Japan’s imperialism of the 1930s is now rising once again this time in India and China.
This is just more proof that other cultures don’t embrace this diversity & multicultural crap like we do.
Let’s start a Global Organization of American IT Workers of White European Origin and see what happens.
You can’t get much more racist than the Consitution for the Global Organization of People of Indian Origin:
http://www.gopi...onstitution.htm
2. OBJECTIVES: Within the above overall purpose the Global Organization of People of Indian Origin (GOPIO) will have the following specific objectives:
(a) To promote legitimate interests of the Indian community as a whole and of specific groups resident in particular countries.
(b) To help the Indian communities in different countries to promote legitimate secular and developmental interests of the countries in which they are resident.
(c) To promote the common cultural heritage of India abroad.
(d) To mobilize professional, financial. and intellectual resources of the community of Indians abroad for their mutual advancement and for the development of their country of origin.
(e) To organize interaction between communities of Indians abroad on a global level to deliberate and decide on common issues and problems facing them, including education and technology.
(f) To provide a forum at periodical intervals to discuss, debate and decide on common problems and issues facing groups of Indians abroad and initiate measures to redress their grievances.
(g) To disseminate regularly information on global, regional and national developments affecting Indian community abroad as a whole or substantial parts thereof.
(h) To further the interaction between Indian people and other communities at global level in promoting world peace, progress and ecological harmony.
Japanese students beat Indian students in NASA science contest
So much for the best and brightest from India – and so much for Japan not graduating enough scientists and engineers. Japan’s kids just beat the pants off India’s.
http://m.timeso...how/4764950.cms
WASHINGTON: An undergraduate team from the Sardar Vallabhai Patel Institute in Gujarat has been declared runner-up in the non-US category of a NASA competition to design a supersonic airliner.
Named “Rastofust”, the design of the supersonic airliner was designed by Sahaj Panchal and Dhrumir Patel, NASA said yesterday while announcing the result of its contest.
The top slot in the non-US category was grabbed by students from the University of Tokyo, Japan.
Indian bureaucracy ranked worst in Asia
Why aren’t we importing 100,000 workers from Singapore? Or Japan? Or Germany?
Why are we only importing people from the most inefficient countries in the world?
http://timesofi...how/4612918.cms
SINGAPORE: Singapore’s civil servants are the most efficient among their Asian peers, a business survey on 12 economies released on Wednesday showed, but they tend to clam up unhelpfully when things go wrong.
India’s “suffocating bureaucracy” was ranked the least-efficient by the survey, which said working with the country’s civil servants was a “slow and painful” process.
“They are a power centre in their own right at both the national and state levels, and are extremely resistant to reform that affects them or the way they go about their duties,” the report said.
Japan shines at Science Olympiads
So much for the theory that Japan’s students are lacking in math & science skills. I guess India, Inc. will have to devise some other fraud method as an excuse to jam its useless grifting workers into Japan.
http://www.yomi...810TDY03103.htm
Japanese students won a record 10 gold medals in this year’s International Science Olympiads (ISO), which saw high school and other students from around the world compete in math, physics, chemistry, biology and computer science events.
NEC: Enough of this cost-cutting crap
Japanese companies get it: they understand that in order to have a healthy economy, you must create a healthy middle class of consumers. Are you listening America?
http://www.fina...x?CIaNID=108737
Behemoths like NEC Electronics and Hitachi are trying to find new ways to survive, but cost cutting has its limits.
It’s not often you hear analysts say cost cutting has gone far enough, but that’s what a research report from Macquarie said about NEC Electronics’ restructuring plans for the next 12 months. ”Accelerated cost reductions are a positive but not a sustainable driver for recovery…it is difficult to sustain because it demands heavy sacrifices from employees in the form of large cuts to wages and bonuses and other severe economies. We believe NEC Electronics cannot maintain the annual cuts (in wages) without jeopardising long-term competitiveness and employee morale,” it said. The Macquarie report, published in May, followed the management’s proposal to cut ¥90 billion ($950 million) of fixed costs in the current financial year, up from an original plan to trim costs by ¥60 billion. Both NEC Electronics and Hitachi have been prominent in announcing turn-around plans.
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NEC’s ambitious cost-saving target makes it clear that the formerly sacred contract between companies and employees in Japan, even among the corporate aristocracy, is now a thing of the past. Actual redundancies may look low by Western standards, but pay and benefits are being slashed. However, it won’t be enough. Indeed, in the long run, pay cuts worsen the situation of over-capacity in Japan since lower incomes discourage domestic consumption.
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The May Macquarie report points out that the problem of generating growth is “more intractable” than cutting costs and requires a sustained effort “to expand and globalise the revenue base”. The point about globalising the revenue base is well made. Despite its internationally famous brand name, NEC’s export market is surprisingly small: the ratio of domestic sales to overseas sales is under 30%. And given the Japanese consumer’s increasing poverty, it’s not surprising that NEC is finding it difficult to sell personal computers and mobile phones domestically. Hitachi’s revenue mix is more balanced, with around 40% coming from outside Japan. Both companies must be praying for the debt-fuelled Chinese recovery to continue, since Asia is their largest revenue source outside Japan. But the problem in Japan at the moment for companies like Hitachi and NEC is not necessarily that they are badly managed, they are simply producing far too many goods which nobody can or wants to buy. They must either switch to producing new goods and services which people want, or downsize their existing operations. So far, for the most part, it looks as if they are being forced to choose the latter option.
Indians in Canada want national anthem sung in Hindi
More proof of the rising tide of Nazism in Asia. These people do not want to come to the west and be like us. They want to come to the west, take it over, and impose their substandard cultures on us.
http://www.face...id=123033095759
Bruce Allen is on the 2010 Vancouver Olympic Committee and new Canadians (specifically Hindi’s/Indian’s) want him fired for his recent comments outlined below:
“I am sorry, but after hearing they want to sing the National Anthem in Hindi – enough is enough.
Nowhere or at no other time in our Nation’s history, did they sing it in Italian, Japanese, Polish,
Irish (Celtic), German, Portuguese, Greek, or any other ****language because of immigration.
It was written in English, adapted into French, and should be sung word for word the way it was written.”
Moron MySpace Executives Finally Figure Out Globalization Isn’t Working
http://www.9new...9&catid=344
LOS ANGELES (AP) – Social-networking site MySpace said Tuesday it plans to cut 300 jobs, or two-thirds of its overseas work force, in an effort to rein in costs and focus on countries where it has many users and better business opportunities.
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“Our goal to tap into as many international markets as possible drove us to create too many offices around the globe, and with them came inefficiencies,” Chief Executive Owen Van Natta, a former executive at rival Facebook, said in a memo sent to employees Tuesday.
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MySpace China and MySpace Japan, a joint venture with Japanese Internet company Softbank Corp., would not be affected by the plan, but the company is reviewing its offices in Argentina, Brazil, Canada, France, India, Italy, Mexico, Russia, Sweden, and Spain.
Indian Mafia look at Japan for offshoring
http://guestwor...indiajapan3.jpg
Denied by Japan, Wipro Plans To Clean Out The
Having robbed America blind, and having been rejected flat-out by Japan, the conmen at Wipro are looking for their next target. This time? The Middle east. Although it’s questionable how well muslims will take to having Hindus in their countries.
http://in.reute...M10290620090527
Japan bans laid-off foreign workers for 3 years
Laid-off foreigners in Japan who accept cash from gov’t to go home face 3-year re-entry ban.
http://mdn.main...00c.html?inb=rs
The government will set a three-year ban on re-entering Japan for any laid-off foreign workers who leave the country under a cash support program.
Japan to Immigrants: Thanks, But You Can Go Home Now
Now that’s a novel idea: PAY the guest workers to go home!
http://www.time...1892469,00.html
Japan’s offer to minority communities in need has spawned the ire of those whom it intends to help. It is one thing to be laid off in an economic crisis. It is quite another to be unemployed and to feel unwanted by the country where you’ve settled. That’s how Freitas and other Brazilians feel since the Japanese government started the program to pay $3,000 to each jobless foreigner of Japanese descent (called Nikkei) and $2,000 to each family member to return to their country of origin. The money isn’t the problem, the Brazilians say; it’s the fact that they will not be allowed to return until economic and employment conditions improve — whenever that may be.
TOI: India Lying About Its Growth
http://timesofi...how/4313352.cms
As the world slows down, most Indians feel comforted that our 5.3% GDP growth in the fourth quarter of calendar 2008 was among the highest in world. But Surjit Bhalla, India’s most flamboyant economist, says this is false comfort based on incorrect calculations. Citing OECD data, he says India actually had negative growth (- 3.6%) in Q4 of 2008, not the 5.3% claimed by the government.
Moreover, compared with 8.2% growth in Q4 of 2007 (again using OECD calculations), Bhalla says the total growth swing between the fourth quarters of 2007 and 2008 is a massive -11.8. On this swing criterion, Indian growth is far worse than in the US (-6.2%), UK (-8.4%) or European Union (-8.2%), though better than in Japan (-17.8%) or Korea (-28.8%).
Japan: 1,000 foreign trainees forced to return home as firms feel pinch
Not every country is as insane as the U.S. Japan, for instance, actually forces foreigners to leave when times get tough. What a concept.
http://mdn.main...00c.html?inb=rs
More than 1,000 foreign trainees involved in government programs were forced to return home as sponsor companies have been suffering from the deteriorating economy, a government survey has revealed.
According to the survey held by the Justice Ministry’s Immigration Bureau, a total of 1,007 foreign trainees left Japan between October last year and January before their contract period ended. Of that figure, 921 people were laid off due to their employers’ deteriorating business conditions, and 86 were dismissed after their host companies went bankrupt.
GDP By Country
Why are we importing people from a country ranked 12th in GDP – a country that has TEN TIMES the number of people that Japan has – which is ranked 2nd? Instead of importing FOUR MILLION people from India, shouldn’t we be importing them from Japan, Germany, China, and UK? And China’s workers aren’t that productive either because GDP is measured per capital – and China has the largest population at 1.3 billion. If USA had as many people as China, U.S.’s GDP would be over $55,360,000! China’s workers are only 1/5th as productive as USA’s.
Third-world Imported guest workers are destroying the U.S. economy.
We should send all the people from India, China, and Mexico home and replace them with the same number of workers from Japan and Germany. Japan already has a higher standard of living than USA.
1 United States 13,840,000
2 Japan 4,381,576
3 Germany 3,320,913
4 China (PRC) 3,280,224h
5 United Kingdom 2,804,437
6 France 2,593,779
7 Italy 2,104,666
8 Spain 1,439,983
9 Canada 1,436,086
10 Brazil 1,313,590
11 Russia 1,289,535
12 India 1,100,695
NASSCOM Targets Japan For Guest Worker Invasion
The assertion that Toyota can’t build cars without foreigners in absurd.
http://www.forb...schoolgirl.html
“Though Japan’s rulers are loath to admit it, the Japanese would miss foreigners if they packed their bags and left. Japan’s premier company, Toyota Motor (nyse: TM – news – people ), would struggle to build its cars without them. A tenth of the workforce in Toyota City, a former textile town in central Japan that is the automotive giant’s base, is non-Japanese, mostly Brazilian or Chinese. Working in factories supplying the parts and components that Toyota screws and snaps together to build its cars, they help keep the “Detroit of the East” humming.”
Japan lays off foreigners first
What a concept – taking care of your OWN citizens FIRST.
http://news.yah...ng_foreigners_5
The Labor and Health Ministry said the numbers of foreigners showing up at government-run job centers in affected regions have doubled to some 1,500 a month as of August, while Japanese jobseekers have remained constant. And those centers handle only a small fraction of the foreign work force, officials say.
“The ethnic Japanese from abroad have been particularly hit hard,” said Tatsuhiro Ishikawa, a ministry official in charge of foreign labor. “They’re often the first ones to be fired just because they’re foreigners.”
Japan: Indian IT’s next goldmine?
Now that India has grifted out and destroyed the U.S. economy with its faking fraud guest workers, they are looking for a new country to con and plunder. Luckily, the Japanese are not so naive and won’t allow the mass criminal invasion of frauds to rape their country the way the U.S. has.
http://infotech...how/3619714.cms
The world’s second-largest economy and with high rate of technology consumption and usage, the country seems to be a potential goldmine for Indian IT companies. The country offers huge opportunities for Desi IT companies, especially IT service providers.
“The Job Export Machine
July 9, 2003
In the past four decades, many millions of manufacturing jobs in this country have been shipped overseas or to South America. This transfer was supposed to be part of the “win-win” process of free trade. But 27 straight years of growing trade deficits with the rest of the world makes one wonder: who’s winning?
Conventional economists and their Republican and Democratic converts try to cushion this job export machine by saying that the large majority of jobs in this country are white collar not blue collar. The implication is that white collar jobs are not as easy to export.
Well, welcome to the computerization age. U.S. companies are rushing headlong to export computer programming work to countries like India and Malaysia and now China where English-language proficiency and cheap labor cut costs by more than two-thirds. Payroll processing, airline passenger billings, insurance computer applications, new software designs are only some of the labor that is done in foreign countries for U.S. companies.
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When these concerns are raised to international economists, one of their replies is “Don’t you know what an extraordinary job machine is the U.S. economy?” Well, it has lost 2.6 million jobs since February 2001. More important is that at least one third of our economy’s full time — nearly 50 million workers — do not earn a living wage! The federal minimum wage, adjusted for inflation since 1968 would be around $8 an hour. Instead, it has remained at $5.15 an hour, exerting a downward pull on lower income wages generally.
Someday the pollyanna belief that the U.S. economy always replaces the jobs it loses overseas with new jobs here, as we keep racing ahead of other countries with modern technology and new or redundant services, may run into a contrary riptide that no set of spurious statistics can obscure”
Indian Innovation?
TOI ran a story on 6/27/08 decrying the lack of innovation in India. It seems the reality of India doesn’t quite match the hype we have been hearing in the USA. Just take a look at some of the language used in this story. Makes one wonder just how “highly-skilled” these people really are:
“Innovate or perish
27 Jun 2008, 0001 hrs IST, Ninad Dhirubhai Sheth
Unable to make patent breakthroughs Ranbaxy was at a stage where it may have discovered that it could reach just so far on its own and no further.
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It is in the genius of the capitalist system that it provides for several exit routes to entrepreneurs. So everyone, the promoters of Ranbaxy, its shareholders and the Japanese firm gained by getting the correct combination at the right price.
However, for corporate India the deal comes as both a shock and a loss. This deal exposes the fact that across industries Indians are still incapable of being thought leaders.
Soul-searching has already begun in the Indian corporate world. Several firms across industries could be potential take-over targets since their growth formula depends on incremental volumes and cost arbitrage unlike global leaders that are innovative thinkers and have proprietary research in their portfolios.
Particularly vulnerable are firms in the IT, textile and pharma sectors. Even top firms like Wipro make less than 4 per cent of their turnover from products and patents.
A very large percentage of second-rung IT firms are nothing but glorified code developers. India Inc needs to take a long hard look at its current globalising strategy. Instead of the easy way out where you fill in the gaps in the international trading system based solely on cost advantage, corporate India must invest in research and development.
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On the government’s part, it would do well to use the proposed $2 billion sovereign fund to buy the right technology which can later be auctioned to Indian firms so as to provide them a firm footing in the exclusive club of original ideas.
Ranbaxy’s takeover has a stark message for corporate India. Innovate and prosper or the big fish will gobble you up.”
So there you have it – this Indian author is admitting that India is so pathetically bad at innovation and thinking that it needs to buy technology from other countries in order to possess “original ideas”. This speaks volumes about the reality of Indian workers. So much for America needing them for “innovation”, is it?
Not quite what you have been hearing about “India’s vaunted highly-skilled workforce”, is it? Just goes to show that guest worker visa programs in the U.S. are nothing more than International Socialism. These programs are all frauds designed to appease an incompetent and incapable third world that is jealous of the U.S. Our economy doesn’t need these people.
Japan has a higher standard of living than the U.S.? Give me a break. Some people who have never visited any of the Asian countries have this fantasy about Japan… Just imagine that everything is miniaturized: the apartments, cars, buses, road, land, and even the potions of the food. And everything is more expensive.
I have been to Japan 5 times. I think I know what I am talking about. Have you ever even been there. At least they have jobs and a government that protects its own citizens. Can’t say that about America.
I think the main problem with Adobe is its perpetual upgrade cycle and it forgot what made its product great. Flash was a great animation “authoring” platform but they made it into a “programming” platform that competes with .Net, PHP, and iPhone
SDK?
Flash competes with iPhone SDK? That’s a good one. Flash is so bad Apple banned it from the iPhone. Try reading some actual news before you comment.
i just skipped over 10+ posts you just made in a row that seems like you’re just talking to yourself, but even better you actually talk like a person who has a point to make with lots of links as “evidence” for your very through research and it just made me see that there is a lot of crazy in america. i never knew there were so many crazy people in this world. today i heard that a major national newspaper is going to outsource their work and lay off some workers. they’re going to india. i heard this story today and i didn’t care because they’re basically reiterating the obvious. it doesn’t make me hate or like indians any more or less. systems are flawed and some systems are set up in a way to benefit others. people know how to work systems. globalization is making this world flat. it’s been happening for a long time and unless you’re the united states you don’t get the time of day when you as a country complain about how messed up these institutions are…free trade, market curreny, central banks, etc…you can go to school today and come out not finding a job…except the jobs are there/existing in some capacity but maybe it’s in another country and isn’t properly listed/documented. you can go to school today to get a degree and yet degrees are becoming useless. you can now be educated without boundaries of concrete. it’s all about globalization and multinational now. i like it this way. i think it serves a purpose and maybe helps to educate the whole world. granted i hate having all of my it problems rerouted to people in india, especially if i would like to get some direct attention and accountability (if i want to go and blast the ceo of so and so company located downtown i should be able to. i shouldn’t be given the rap around by some call center worker in india who’s telling me what i can and can’t do. are indian people the only people in the world who know anything about technology, tech products, customer service, tech support? are there not some other people american/western countries can exploit? if indians get western tech jobs, i say we get dibs on bollywood).
Bobo, I think you missed a spot:
http://labs.ado...appsfor_iphone/
Adobe announced that Flash CS5 will be able to “compile” Flash into an iPhone native App. So yes, I’d say they are/will compete with iPhone SDK.
Not if Apple doesn’t approve the apps it won’t. LOL.
“At MAX 2009, Adobe showed a number of applications and games for iPhone that have been built using a prerelease version of Flash Professional CS5. These applications are available now for you to download from the Apple App Store”
I was also let go as part of last years cut – I have felt since Bruce left that the company had lost a large chunk of its soul – I mean, jobs were lost under Chizen, but not at this rate – and I truly believe it is greed driving it.
Yeah, actually, Bruce was a bit of a stuffed shirt.
Lesse, before I quit the CFO had also left because Adobe wanted non-GAAP numbers to cover all the ‘executive compensation via stock’.
The SEC gets those numbers, and whoever Shantanu put in gives the non-GAAP numbers to the employees, the shareholders, and CNBC.
Oh, and then Bruce ‘retired’ due to ‘too much stress’. Something about feeling bad about some kidnapping in India?? WTF. Kidnapping is like rugby in the 3rd world.
Fact of the matter is, Bruce didn’t want this black stain on his record; the Macromedia clusterfuck M&A was bad enough. Or didn’t y’all get how SEAMLESS the Adobe stuff is with the Macromedia stuff. HAH!!
Oh well.. when Shantanu gets done destroying the company all the layoffs can go back and rebuild it.
64-bit Photoshop in 10 years the way they’re going now.. or maybe Photoshop.com will be reduced to a Javascript webpage, that’s about slumdog par for the course.
Photoshop is still Carbon. Adobe’s brilliant imported Indian guest workers apparently haven’t learned Objective-C yet. LOL.
ColdFusion is dead and it’s supported as long as last customer exists. There’s no point to a) work for Coldfusion (move on dude, get new skills), b) cry about its outsourcing. Adobe US workforce grew about 50% in last 4 years by the way. If you were not offered a perm job, then you’re just not qualified. If you did not learn this hard way, I don’t know what else may make you learn new technologies. This is a cruel world.
I was considering buying an Adobe product just yesterday, but now I think i’ll simply stop using their stuff. It used to be pretty nice, but with html5, I think i’ll stop using Flash too. Gimp is a fantastic alternative to PhotoShop. I don’t care about Adobe anymore, since it’s no longer an American company. Thank goodness they’re not “too big to fail” – they wont get a single tax dollar as they become nothing more then a footnote on fuckedcompany lists.
Adobe – what’s the point?
–ed neely
Gimp IS quite good. And even ColdFusion is about to be leapfrogged by an open source alternative — Railo.
What’s the point? Simple: a desperate country like India needs jobs created by Americans in order to stay employed, since they are unable to create an Adobe in their own country. Take over, layoff, clean out, export the cash, destroy the company, and move on. And we wonder why America is losing so many jobs? It’s the Indian invasion and takeover, stupid. This has been going on for over a decade and now the wrecked U.S. economy is a result. Deport all inadmissible aliens under Title 8, Section 1182. Get a lawyer and sue Adobe. These jobs are Americans’ by law. Sue their pants off for laying you off.
Sad, another aging tech dinosaur falls into maintenance mode.
There are a lot of new and innovative products coming out of Adobe. I can’t speak for all of its lines, but they certainly are not in maintenance mode.
Really??? There hasn’t been anything innovative in a decade.
I actually feel that Adobe has a lot of opportunity with Flash in the mobile space. But, it requires execution now, not innovation per se. 10 will be the first version with a common code base (AS3), but doesn’t exactly work well on all of the platforms (Mac). They are blowing it by simply not executing.
Find me something that works across desktop and mobile platforms. Webkit? Nope. There are disparate programming environments in the mobile space. Adobe has plenty of market opportunities, but too many products and not enough execution.
Read whoop dedo’s response below. Flash isn’t a serious platform for web development. It’s not even on a major mobile platform. There’s just too many problems to building websites with a sandboxed plugin.
Decades? Really? Maybe you need to catch up.
Singular, not plural. OK, so what has Adobe done in the 2000s thats been innovative?
Plenty of things, better question is what have you done to make those comments?
Faking fraud guest workers from the 3rd world who have never seen a light switch in their lives come to America and get trained by Americans to do the jobs. Only problem is, you can’t train someone to be innovative. Now guest workers are being exposed for the frauds that they are and people are starting to ask where’s the innovation.
Name one Indian IT innovation besides Hotmail a decade ago. There are none. All fraud and lies.
No, I think ‘decades’ is apropo.
What have they really done other than slap more features like ‘healing brush’ and ungainly masks on Photoshop; as well as moar bugs that end up at Adobe UI Gripes?
There really hasn’t been anything earthshattering, in fact they haven’t been very good stewards of all the little acquisitions they’ve made.
They had PageMill, they killed it.
Framemaker, the darling of Boeing and the US Gov’t? Dead and gone and replaced by InDesign — an inferior tool.
PDF. It’s better on Mac’s PREVIEW PDF tool. or any other tool than Acrobat(shi*)
Face it. The founders left and Adobe’s been going to the dogs ever since.
Ever watch video online? Seems like flash is the lead platform it is delivered on. RTMP streaming video happened in what? 2002? it’s only 2009 bub. If that’s not innovative then I don’t know what is.
2002 was macromedia acquired by adobe
It’s only a dinosaur because the “highly skilled guest workers” didn’t innovate as promised – and now Adobe has nothing to sell that anyone wants. Funny, but when Americans were running the company, there wasn’t any problem. Adobe is just another victim of the Indian Mafia that has infiltrated the U.S, that’s all.
Part of the problem may be their pricing structure. What normal person can actually afford Photoshop? I sure can’t. Heck even Dreamweaver is like $300 or something like that. I think they’d find if they cut prices, they’d sell a LOT more. Make it up by charging for support; that’s what a lot of places do.
Americans had no trouble affording Adobe’s products in the 90s before salaries were driven down by flooding America with cheap foreign labor.
Kinda figured that would be coming soon
adobe is problemville. their key moneymaker is in upgrade/maintenance mode now, and their other key strategic offering, flash, is on its way out. everyone on the web realizes flash needs to be either marginalized, open sourced, or replaced entirely. the apple strategy was to marginalize…they won’t let flash on the iphone now or ever. the firefox approach is to replace (the tag in html5 being the key driver). adobe could open source flash and perhaps address some of these issues, but they won’t
furthermore, one wonders how much of the upgrade cycle for creative suite is contrived at this point. this is the same dilemma msft had with office…at some point, people realized the upgrade cycle on the product was only for the vendor’s benefit
with this and EA’s layoffs…the bay area is finding out it is not insulated from the downturn. more is going to come
Flash is so bad, and Adobe’s “highly skilled guest workers” are so bad at programming that Apple told Adobe to go back and rewrite the Flash player for iPhone or else forget it. Highly skilled guest workers “keeping America competitive”.
http://adobegri...e-and-flash-bit
About six months ago, a friend who was working closely along side adobe’s flash application development team told me that they received a prototype of Flash for iPhone. The prototype allowed the iPhone to have less than half an hour of battery life using flash. They then sent the prototype to apple and suggested incorporating this prototype iPhone flash into the iPhone OS in the next update.
Apparently apple sent this letter back thanking them for being interested in developing a working version of flash for the iphone but because the prototype is so processor intensive, and awful for battery life, they would not include it with their OS because it is just not good enough.
That’s a fake site. Guy just wants to get some money from Adobe I guess.
Flash team comprises of 90% US born citizens by the way. It’s a well written small and highly optimized piece of software. Source code is available for partners and mobile developers by the way. I don’t think you got brains to read the source code, but give it a try anyway.
Then why isn’t it on iPhone?
Political games. Steve just does not want it there because Flash a) has its own video platform which competes head-on with Quicktime and new HTTP streaming that Apple implemented, b) Flash is a good and simple platform for building web apps with remoting etc which implies people can run apps that are not in appstore.
There is no flash and no java, no python, no ruby – interpreted code policy man. Only native sdk compiled applications approved by Apple can exist.
Dude, where have you been? Adobe UI Gripes has been around forever, highlighting just how BAD Creative Suite *is*.
Along with dearadobe.com it’s another site done by a long standing soon to be former Adobe customer.
Fake site, sheesh, where does Adobe scrounge up this ‘talent’? Oh yeah, the Noida office.
I doubt html5 is the key here
http://a.deveria.com/caniuse/
Form 8-K for ADOBE SYSTEMS INC
10-Nov-2009
Costs Associated with Exit or Disposal Activities
Item 2.05 Costs Associated with Exit or Disposal Activities.
On November 10, 2009, we announced a workforce reduction to appropriately align our costs in connection with our 2010 operating plan (the “Restructuring Plan”). As a result, we expect to eliminate approximately 680 full-time positions worldwide. We expect to record in the aggregate approximately $65.0 to $71.0 million in pre-tax restructuring charges associated with this Restructuring Plan. Included in these charges are (i) approximately $17.0 to $19.0 million primarily related to the consolidation of leased facilities and
(ii) approximately $48.0 to $52.0 million related to employee severance arrangements. We expect to record approximately $18.0 to $20.0 million of these charges in the fourth fiscal quarter ended November 27, 2009. We expect to complete the majority of the activities related to the Restructuring Plan by the end of fiscal 2010. Substantially all of these charges will result in cash expenditures.
The Restructuring Plan relates only to those employees and facilities that were associated with Adobe prior to the acquisition of Omniture, Inc. on October 23, 2009. Adobe expects to incur additional restructuring expenses relating to Omniture’s operations. These costs will be included in the assumed liabilities of Omniture as of October 23, 2009 and will be recorded as part of the total acquisition purchase price of Omniture.
I sure hope html5 tags can gain adoption… Flash is a juggernaut today, but it is clear that there is no love from any stakholder for flash except for Adobe. It is a necessary evil due to it’s ubiquity.
At first, I figured this whining about American jobs was sour grapes… but now I am hearing enough evidence to concur that Adobe is being led by someone who fully intends to change the company completely, including it’s racial makover.
That is wrong.
Yep, there’s no love for flash from other companies at all… http://www.open...eenproject.org/
:S
Took you long enough. Are you that naive? This is an Indian takeover of American companies by Indian nationals for the purpose of transferring our jobs to India. India is unable to create any decent companies of its own, so its only option is to take over the companies created by other companies. They have no other option. That is what’s happening. If anyone thinks this is good for America, you are either delusional, stupid, or suicidal.
“Bobo” found that he had “contributed” over 70% of text in this thread, so got himself a new handle.
Could Bobo or Samir or Mike Amarosa please provide a link to his own site so we can see his glorious exploits?
Were would that take us – American Nazi party perchance?
Adobe won’t get a radical makeover other than bankruptcy. Give it 5 more years of Indian IT griftology and they’ll go under too. The endgame is to sell the company off to Oracle. After all, that’s what India, Inc. did when it took over PeopleSoft and failed, and then Sun and failed. Can’t have doors of an Indian-run company close you know – have to sell it off to avoid the embarassment. Some companies such as Quark and Microsoft might not be so lucky as the damage is more extensive.
Thanks God they haven’t gotten their hands on Apple yet. But they will – just wait and see – they will.
it just surprises me that u r forgeting that one reason y apple is so successful is because of steve jobs – who’s father is a syrian immigrant..according to u and boob, one reason y apple is successful is because it did not outsource its r&d in india?..read that and notice how absurd it sounds? it is known as confirmation bias..u r belittling all the hard work steve jobs and his crew has done to support ur point..no wonder narrow minded ppl like u and boob are so easily replacable and fired mercilessly..
Samir, no wonder people like u are known as ABCD..tum saale na wahaan ke hote ho na yahaan ke..dhobi ka kutta – na ghar ka na ghaat ka..
That’s right!
what they need is to trim their bloat software.
this is the best thread of the recession so far.
Recessions don’t just happen by accident. There is always a CAUSE. In this case the cause has been a decade of India, Inc. invasion and takeover of U.S. companies. How many more U.S. companies will fall just to satisfy India’s need for prestige before Americans wake up to the fact that we are under economic conquest from a foreign nation, just as we were from Japan in the 1980s? Deport all guest workers now.
Does anybody have specific actual facts regarding the Flash/Flex Builder product in relation to these layoffs?
Those projects are not affected at all. People, calm down. Adobe hired more than 4k people last 4 years. They just lay off 600 of them. Do the math.
The Flash/Flex/AIR teams were largely unaffected, and run by the Indian Golden Boy who is the VP/GM of that division. Coincidence? Unlikely, although Adobe is very committed to Flash. Lots invested and they can’t afford to lose mobile, even though they are a year late.
I work at adobe. I am not impacted by the layoff but the work culture at Adobe is very very bad.
It’s a sweatshop to the max. Someone who mentioned guest workers program is telling the truth. 95% of people in my department are from the same country (you can guess), are on temporary visas, running the same dirty politics as if this is back in their home country.
I find it hard to believe how the company that thrives in innovation & creativity comes down to this level. It’s nothing but sweatshop now, it’s quite sad to see one of the most respected company in san jose to go down to this level.
Nice to hear some corroboration. How it could happen is simple: we have imported 4 million Indian Mafia people since Bill Clinton raised the visa caps in 1998 into the 100,000’s. Check out guestworkerfraud dot com
These people are not the best and the brightest, they are organized crime. Their jobs are to invade, take over, and throw Americans out. Of course, they can’t do the work and that is why we are seeing so much job loss now in the U.S.
When will the U.S. wake up and learn that all cultures are not equal and we should not be trading with criminal nations who hate us? We can just imagine where this will all end: they are getting into our gov’t now:
http://timesofi...how/3724539.cms
During the Bush years, it was the Republicans that held sway, so India’s preferred lobbyist on K-Street was Barbour, Griffith & Rogers (BGR). But since August 18, 2008, a few months before the elections, the government added another group to its lobbying armoury — the Democrat-leaning law firm Patton Boggs — to push its interests on Capitol Hill.
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Interestingly, the organization is led by Graham Wisner, a brother of former US ambassador to India Frank Wisner.
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For India, this appears to have worked out well, keeping a toehold in both party camps.
However, there are many other Indian government entities which have their own lobbying firms peppered around K-Street in Washington. For instance, the NSCN(I-M) engages Grace Collins at a cost of $32,000 for six months to work on congressional staffers and civic groups for the organization, which is fighting for a separate state of Nagaland.
It has been amazing reading through this thread. I, too, experienced a weird disconnect between Friedman’s book and my own experience. I’ve only known a handful of Indian programmers, but they were, each and every one, a total disaster for the small start-up we were working at. Granted, these were young developers, fresh out of school; but their work ethic (and apparently their code) was really bad.
It’s a shame…I feel bad mentioning this as I have a number of Indian friends who work in the tech world (not as programmers, however!)
This thread should be front page of every newspaper in the US. Mike, you have your chance to break into the big time by developing this story. I smell Pulitzer…
I hope you are not being sarcastic. In fact, the American Programmers’ Association has already written a huge book on this fraud. You can download it for free here:
http://www.medi...om/?timta2zy0xt
http://www.medi...om/?znudrhgxr20
http://www.medi...om/?mzlhykzyx4m
Chapter 1 is a bit iffy but chapters 2 & 3 are dynamite. I was amazed. I found it a really amazing book. Spread the word around and give the PDFs to every American you know.
Also check out guestworkerfraud dot com
No sarcasm here. This is a war perpetrated on American workers by a foreign government. If this assault had been on our troops instead India would now be a smoking waste land. For those that are not old enough to get it, pointing out a coordinated act of worker dislocation is not racism or bigotry, it’s a call to arms that we, as workers in this field, need to act to reverse the drain on our economy, our innovation and our standard of living.
I agree 100%. Our enemies have learned that all military conquest relies on economic superiority. They are attacking the U.S. econ in the hopes of destroying our military advantage. The American worker is the most massively productive worker on the planet as the 1990s showed. This is conquest of USA – make no mistake about it. China too.
awwwww bobo has found a british friend.
BTW, MSFT Silverlight is KILLING Flash. Another reason all the Adobe fanbois hate MSFT.
SIlverlight? Seriously? hahahahahhahahahhaha
Geeze… That’s scary. You probably should refrain from posting something you don’t know about.
BTW, Bobo is a flaming racist and should be expunged from these comments.
You know what? A bit obsessive perhaps, but I don’t think I’ve seen anything racist.
Racist is the only word and tactic Indians have to use agianst Americans. When up against the wall on FACTS, play the race card. Problem is, most Americans could care less if they are called racist. If we were racist we would not have let you in in the first place. Try countering with some real arguments or facts.
Sorry, these are not American citizens. These are guest workers who, in any other country would be deported at the drop of a hat.
And only the Indians cry ‘racist’. You don’t hear the Chinese raising a commotion like this.
The fact of the matter is that when host countries have economic problems, guest workers get expelled. Japan and India have done this and continue to do so.
There’s no outrage there when it’s done. Only in America are ‘guest workers’ given so much leeway… to our detriment.
Ahh.. the “hope and change” effect rearing its well-spoken, zero-results head.
“That would be shortsighted. Take care of your top line first – your products and your talent, and the bottom line will take care of itself.”
– Apple, Inc. CEO Steve Jobs on why Apple doesn’t offshore
Pure win.
“BANGALORE: The company that redefined the way we listen to music has decided to call it quits in India. Apple, known for its popular iPods, is pulling out its software development and support operations in India.
The company had commenced operations in April and hired about 30 people for its subsidiary, Apple Services India Pvt Ltd.
At a meeting on May 29, Apple announced its decision to lay off all its employees. Apple officials told them that “the company is revaluating its operations and has thought of pulling back its Indian operations”.
Guess what Arun Netravalli & crew did to Bell Labs? They sure didn’t innovate:
“Bell Labs, birthplace of technological breakthroughs like the transistor, the laser, and communications satellites, may have arrived at the end of its storied history. According to a recent report in Nature, the icon of industry-supported science has all but shut down basic research, with four physicists remaining at the facilities in Murray Hill, New Jersey. Company officials at Alcatel-Lucent downplay the issue, saying that research has merely shifted away from basic physics to “mathematics, computer science, networking and wireless.”
But industry-funded basic research has been on the wane for some time. In the last decade, the number of basic research papers authored by industrial researchers in peer-reviewed journals dropped 30 percent. In 1988, those researchers published almost 1000 papers on basic physics; in 2005, that number was 300.”
I was at Lucent before Netravali became president. That place was doomed from day one with employees who didn’t care about spending like drunken democrats.
Under the direction of Rich McGinn Lucent began to self-finance sales to large telecom providers of equipment that failed to be produced on time. Over time it sunk under the weight of so much debt after a $700 million overstatement of revenue for a single quarter.
“The Avant! Saga: Does Crime Pay?
The inside story of a company that stole software code
In early 1993, at a team-building exercise at the posh Claremont Hotel in Berkeley, Calif., executives from software maker Cadence Design Systems Inc. (CDN ) were asked to draw an image that described themselves. While many people pondered what to draw, division president Gerry Hsu–a talented artist, according to two attendees–quickly dashed off a picture of a big, powerful bird flying off into the distance, droppings falling all the way. “I always know where I’m going, and I get there very fast,” he explained at the time, “but I tend to leave a trail of s— behind me.”
Who could have predicted he would leave behind this much of it? Since departing Cadence for Avant! Corp. (AVNT ) (pronounced Avanti) in 1994, Hsu has transformed the tiny software boutique from a $2 million-a-year startup into a roaring profit machine that earned $70.9 million on sales of $358 million in 2000. But now the hard-driving Taiwan native, who used to have an apartment next to his office so he could work around the clock, has helped to create a mess of historic proportions. On May 22, Hsu and five top managers pleaded no contest to charges that they conspired to steal Cadence software. He’s been fined $2.7 million, and four other top Avant! executives are headed to jail.
Wasn’t Countrywide one of the bailed out companies? Or did they just plain go broke?
“http://consumerist.com/305781/countrywide-mortgage-adjustment-getting-outsourced-to-india
Countrywide Mortgage Adjustment Getting Outsourced To India
By Ben Popken, 4:15 PM on Mon Oct 1 2007, 2,029 views
An excellent NYT article alludes to Countrywide Mortgage’s AOL-esque culture of phone reps only concerned about boosting their personal stats, regardless of the ruin it would spell for its customers.
But don’t worry, Countrywide is hiring more reps to help save homeowners from getting foreclosed…
At an investor conference on Sept. 18, Angelo R. Mozilo, Countrywide’s chief executive, said the company would be hiring more staff members to do home-retention and loss-mitigation work. Those employees, however, will be based in India.”
“Delta says it’s no longer outsourcing reservation calls to India. Why? The move was made in response to years of complaints by American customers who say they sometimes have a tremendous amount of difficulty understanding the foreign telephone workers. Richard Anderson, the airline’s chief executive, told employees in a recorded message Thursday night that Delta had stopped forwarding calls to India in the first quarter and would be bringing the function back in-house in the United States. ” The customer acceptance of call centers in foreign countries is low and our customers were not shy about letting us have that feedback,” he said.”
No wonder Lehman needed a bailout. American taxpayers are in effect, paying for the incompetence of India, Inc.
“Lehman – Internal Help Desk Support
In December 2003, it was reported that Lehman Brothers had stopped using Wipro Spectramind, for its internal IT help desk. According to a Lehman analyst, the Indian firm could not provide the level of quality and service Lehman sought for help desk support.
Lehman is still using two Indian firms – Tata Consultancy Services and Wipro – to manage some of its IT infrastructure support, software application development, and applications support. Lehman uses about 450 workers at Tata and Wipro and has generated savings of about 40%-50%.”
Uh, Lehman wasn’t bailed out…quite the opposite. The govt let it go TU.
Ok let me revise my statement:
Lehman went out of business after outsourcing to Wipro and using their broken Spectramind software.
How’s that?
Vista anyone?
“Microsoft to outsource more work from India
2 Oct 2003, 1519 hrs IST,TNN
BANGALORE: Microsoft, as part of plan to increase outsourcing from India, is investing $100 million over the next five years. The number of developers working on Microsoft technologies is expected to double during the period.
Currently, Microsoft technologies constitute around 20-25 per cent of the total $8-billion offshoring work done from India.
In India, around 3,000 companies involving over 2.5 lakh developers and thousands of product support executives, are currently working on Microsoft technologies.”
“Professor, Wife Accused of Defrauding NASA of Hundreds of Thousands of Taxpayer Dollars
Wednesday, February 25, 2009
The FBI and NASA are investigating a University of Florida professor and his wife for allegedly defrauding NASA out of hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars for their own personal use.
Iranian-born Samim Anghaie, 59, is the Director of the Innovative Nuclear Space Power and Propulsion Institute at the University of Florida. His wife, 55-year-old Sousan Anghaie, is president of New Era Technology Inc. (NETECH) in Gainesville, Fla.
Authorities say Sousan Anghaie persuaded NASA to award her company “several fully funded contracts,” including nearly $600,000 to develop and study a uranium-related technology.
But, according to an affidavit unsealed today in federal court, the couple allegedly used most of that money to buy personal luxuries — including their $480,000 home in Gainesville, a 2007 BMW and a 2005 Toyota Sienna sports van.
Now that is just messed up!
http://www.ther...itefield_india/
Intel’s Xeon chip kill is result of chaos in India
Server chief leaves India and Intel behind
Exclusive While stunning in its own right, Intel’s cancellation this week of the multicore “Whitefield” processor stands as a more significant miscue that simply excising a chip from a roadmap. Whitfield’s disappearance is a blow to India’s growing IT endeavors.
“JAL mechanics would naturally check not only the spot in question but the related area because we have pride that it is ‘our plane.’”
– Kazuhiro Ichikawa, 58, of the JAL aircraft and maintenance division, saying that outsourcing maintenance work (currently 38%) may be one reason for the airline’s recent mishaps.
Google “Natasha Humphries”
“11:35 EDT Other people followed up on the issue of outrageously-bad software installers, which can damage other software and data on your hard drive:
[Clint Caviness] In response to your post of Art McGees’s warning against Palm Desktop 4.2.1 I can only say, “Amen!” I just fought that battle three days ago. My Mac (G5 Dual 2.5 running OSX 10.4.2) began to act very quirky and totally refused to print to any printer. Re-installing drivers and all of the other logical things to do were to no avail. I could print off of my back up drive (pre-Palm install) just fine and even print from another computer through this one with printer sharing. But I could not print of this desktop at all.
I repaired permissions. They were the worst mess I have ever seen. That immediately restored my ability to print and restored stability to my system. But I pondered how the Palm install could have caused such an ugly mess.
Looks like HCL employees are unemployable too.
Reader’s Digest Association Signs $350mn+ Total IT Outsourcing Engagement With HCL
http://www.reut...2009+MW20090316
Reader’s Digest files for bankruptcy protection
http://www.goog...yA9qcSY70i9oUUg
As we all know, IBM was taken over by India, Inc. long ago. The “best and the brightest” from India keeping America competitive.
These people are SO incompetent, they can’t even get gov’t work right. No wonder the U.S. economy is going into the toilet with India, Inc. running everything.
http://techdirt...300066804.shtml
EFF points us to yet another massively expensive computer system that can’t do some rather basic things. Apparently the state of Texas has pulled its election systems from an $863 million computer system project it had with IBM, after failures and glitches in the system took down the voter system and lost data, which was unrecoverable. State officials realized that if this had happened during an actual election, the state wouldn’t have been able to verify new voters, in violation of federal law. So, it dumped IBM and set up its own system that (gasp) actually has multiple backups of the data. I guess things like redundant backups aren’t included in the $863 million package.
“HP loses huge corporate contracts after support debacle
Outsourcing plans antagonise loyal Compaq customers
By Charlie Demerjian: Friday 08 August 2003, 12:40
SOURCES FORMERLY WITHIN HP have told the INQUIRER that its outsourcing plans have cost the company several loyal corporate customers with lost business running into very large figures indeed.
Information provided to the INQUIRER by several hired, fired, re-hired, extended, re-trenched, begged back and eventually fired again sources in HP Australia, claim that the firm’s plans to outsource support has cost the firm dear.
And individuals who were afraid for their jobs no longer have them, meaning that they now feel free to flesh out what’s happened in Australia.
In late spring, HP Australia decided that that could save a few Australian dollars by replacing the ex-Compaq staff there with outsourced staff based in India, as we reported here. But, our sources claim, customers started to wonder why service was getting bad.
“Vodafone In Trouble
Gordon Kelly, 30th May 2006
trustedreviews.com
It may just be me but a few years it seemed the majority of people subscribed to Vodafone. Still, times change and my word it has shown in the company’s latest financial figures.
Today the suffering telco reported a staggering £14.85 billion annual loss, the largest in UK corporate history and something even downfall champs like Marconi never topped. Over 400 jobs will go on the back of it and a major outsourcing drive will begin as the company desperately drives to cut costs.
Bruised and battered Vodafone Chief Exec Arun Sarin tried to paint a happy picture and was quoted in hack tabloid The Sun, saying group performance remained good despite operating in an “increasingly challenging marketplace”.
But don’t worry – Sarin got filthy rich in exchange for ruining the company. The Times Of India reported on June 12th, 2008:
“Arun Sarin walks out of Vodafone rich
LONDON: Arun Sarin, the chief executive of Britain’s mobile giant Vodafone, would leave the company with over 25 million pounds in his pocket.
During his tenure, Sarin, 53, accumulated 28.5 million shares and share options which he has yet to collect. He also has 14.5 million shares and share options which he has not yet cashed, according to the company’s annual report and accounts.
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During his final year as chief executive, Sarin picked up 3,595,000 pounds in salary and bonus, taking his total earnings to more than 25 million, The Guardian reported on Wednesday.
“World Bank bans Wipro, Megasoft, Satyam
New Delhi:
Even before the dust settled on the controversy involving Satyam’s debarment, the World Bank on Monday revealed that action has been taken against a total of five entities in India, including Wipro Technologies, and an individual.
The action was initiated against these entities and individual as they were found to have “violated the fraud and corruption provisions of the Procurement Guidelines or the Consultant Guidelines,” besides offering improper benefits to Bank staff.
Troubled lender’s mortgages helped family of real estate traders make millions as the market collapsed.
By JOHN GITTELSOHN
The Orange County Register
In July 2007, Vijay and Supriti Soni of Corona del Mar paid $440,000 for a home at 2129 W. Civic Center Drive in Santa Ana.
Five weeks later, they resold the house to Javier Hernandez – the family gardener and handyman – for $660,000. That’s a 50 percent gain in 38 days – at a time when real estate prices in Santa Ana were plunging.
But the lender that financed both mortgages – Washington Mutual Bank – took a bath. In March of this year Hernandez’s loan went into default and in July the bank foreclosed. On the trustee’s deed, the bank listed the home’s value at $377,137 – $220,000 less than the outstanding loan.
Records show that Washington Mutual, America’s largest savings and loan and one of its most precariously perched lending institutions, financed at least 43 mortgages worth $24.5 million on properties bought and sold by members of the Soni family since early 2007.”
“And our goal is clearly not to find an interested and qualified U.S.worker”.
– Attorney Larry Lebowitz at a Cohen & Grigsby
immigration seminar for corporations
http://pr-usa.n...2&Itemid=31
PR-USA.net
An open letter to Fritz Henderson – No more H1B visas
Tuesday, 08 September 2009
This is an open letter to Mr. Fritz Henderson:
General Motors continues to retain H1B Employees while US Citizens are getting laid off. H1B employees are those who are here on a temporary work visa.
Approximately 4000 white-collared employees will lose their jobs by October 2009.
We are a group of technology workers who are also US citizens and are all unemployed due to issues faced by US automakers.
In spite of years of experience working in the information technology field, we are unable to find suitable positions. It is unfair then for GM and other companies to retain H1B workers when US citizens cannot find jobs.
There is no job out there today that a US citizen cannot be trained to do. Mr. Fritz Henderson, we request you to review your employee files and determine why an H1B employee is currently employed at GM when similarly or more experienced US Citizen workers are available in the market place.
We urge you to do the morally right thing for America and to replace your H1B employees with US citizens or Green Card holders. This is an appeal that is being sent out to all the media so that appropriate attention is received.
@Bobo,
I think most of the world would agree that you are coming across as an insane person writing all these hateful emails toward practically entire world excluding naturalized Americans, and by this I don’t think you mean native Americans. I’m sure people would also agree that you have been deeply affected by the recent change of circumstances, clearly for the worse.
Some people who loose a job look forward to the change. You however seem to have take the bitter route. Trolling nationalist nonsense and showing the world just how jaded you must be. I would bet that your hatred toward immigrants did not start with EA. This type of thing is usually passed on from a generation to generation. You must have accumulating all this material over years and getting it ready for the D day, which apparently is today. The problem is, people who carry so much anger and hatred inside lend themselves to an easy detection. There are simple gestures and facial expressions that people give off that cannot be hidden. The saying that the “eyes are a reflection of a soul” is a metaphor that people suck at hiding things. I would bet that your hatred toward people you worked with was so evident that you made the cut list simply to get people around you to feel comfortable again.
I don’t buy that your company is 100% indian and nobody else will. Get some sleep, and re-evaluate your life values. You may still find a role in this world.
I’m not taking Bobo’s posts as being bitter, racist or anything else. He may be going a bit overboard with the posts, but he’s making a pretty valid point that India and guest workers are a major problem.
Sorry, but personal attacks don’t work. Exposing FACTS from the news about India, Inc’s failure has nothing to do with me. If I am bitter then so are all those news writers. Stop deflecting the argument. I am not the issue here. Fraud and guest workers not performing as promised are.
I agree with Bobo and have seen this mess from the inside of two very successful companies (one that had been absorbed by Adobe itself)AND hes correct, the first thing they do, they put the screws to you to deliver, then they fire you and have you train your Indian couterpart in the interim, seen it, done it, been there so hes telling the truth, like it or not.
The “cut list” as you put it usually has more to do with cost and tenure (I know you understand that concept dont you?) which usually go hand in hand..The fact that you and others “actually defend” the practice of outsourcing says more about you than anyone else.Truth hurts and bobo is basically giving you and the others who havent been laid off “yet” a mush full of the s*** sandwich we have been forcefed while CEOs make off with the loot…I would bet money YOU are part of the “management” team on one such company..
Assocham: 50% Of India’s IT Workforce Is Unhealthy
http://infotech...how/4368696.cms
NEW DELHI: More than half of corporate India’s workforce suffers from various chronic and lifestyle diseases, with those in the information technology (IT) and IT-enabled services (ITeS), media, knowledge process outsourcing (KPO) and financial services topping the list, says an industry group report.
A study by the Associated Chambers of commerce and Industry of India (Assocham), said 54 per cent of the workforce in the IT and ITeS sectors were afflicted with depression, severe headaches, obesity, chronic backache, spondylosis, diabetes and hypertension.
It said of them, 23 per cent suffered from spondylosis, 20 per cent from sleeping disorder and 18 per cent from obesity.
Other ailments were depression (16 per cent), fatigue (13 per cent) and high blood pressure (9 per cent). “Corporate employees have to survive the stiff global competitive environment to save their jobs, which affects their health,” said Assocham secretary general D S Rawat.”
TITLE 8 CHAPTER 12 SUBCHAPTER II Part II
§ 1182. Inadmissible aliens
(5) Labor certification and qualifications for certain immigrants
(A) Labor certification
(i) In general, any alien who seeks to enter the United States for the purpose of performing skilled or unskilled labor is inadmissible, unless the Secretary of Labor has determined and certified to the Secretary of State and the Attorney General that—
(I) there are not sufficient workers who are able, willing, qualified
(or equally qualified in the case of an alien described in clause (ii)) and available at the time of application for a visa and admission to the United States and at the place where the alien is to perform such skilled or unskilled labor, and
(II) the employment of such alien will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of workers in the United States similarly employed.
(ii) Certain aliens subject to special rule For purposes of clause (i)
(I), an alien described in this clause is an alien who—
(I) is a member of the teaching profession, or
(II) has exceptional ability in the sciences or the arts.
Equifax credit bureau uses an Indian call center to handle customer service for its customers. You are trusting a foreign worker, in a foreign country with different laws, with your identity information. When you call the support line, the agent asks for your social security number, then opens your Equifax credit profile. In fact, a few years ago, Symantec — who are in the business of protecting consumers — warned some 200 customers that their credit card numbers may have been released to thieves by a call center manager at Symantec’s outsourced Indian call center. Whenever I need to talk to Equifax support, I ask the Indian call center to transfer me to Equifax’s Atlanta office and I verify that I am indeed talking to someone in the US. BTW, the workers at the Indian call center completely understand and never hesitate to transfer my call.
Laws mean nothing to Indians. Getting what they want does.
check out the people brought down along with Raj Rajaratnam in the insider trading bust.
Like I said. Laws mean nothing to Indians.
This is ridiculous. Find something better to do with your time, instead of blaming a whole nation.
Well, this is Adobe’s opportunity to cut the Lou Dobbs wannabe, part-time TechCrunch poster and racist Chris Paduan. Would be a delight if he’s eventually replaced with an engineer in Adobe’s Noida, India office.
Would be a delight for some unemployed Indian. It wouldn’t be a delight for Adobe’s users who have to use the broken software written in India.
Wanna rewrite Acrobat in Java again for Adobe? LOL.
Just FYI folks. Acrobat has been and going to be C/C++ project. This guy does not know what he’s talking about…
Which is one more reason why it still sucks on OS X.
I said Acrobat WAS sent to India where it was ported to Java. That was years ago. When they brought the project back to the U.S. silently, due to failure, they threw all the Java code out and resurrected the old C/C++ codebase and went from there.
Sure it’s C/C++ – but’s it’s ancient Carbon code that is rapidly becoming outdated in an Objective-C world. Preview is vastly better for viewing PDFs than Reader is.
Funny thing is, it wouldn’t be that hard to redo the entire Acrobat line with a Cocoa UI since OS X has built-in support for PDF.
But Adobe seems to be unable to accomplish even this simple task.
What is Tran doing? She’s the project manager and she doesn’t realize that Carbon is dead yet? What an idiot.
You’re never going to have 64-bit support keeping that Carbon mess around forever.
@CallyWog: Bobo is not “Chris Paduan”. Bobo is a coward who first used Chris’ name and then just used “Bobo” since he is afraid to use his own name and thinks nothing before maligning another person’s name. Although a poster above has identified him.
All the posters on this forum should really think twice before identifying themselves with this KKK wannabe.
i miss chris paduan. i love when bobo changes names and it seems like he’s talking to himself but it’s actually just another crazy person. i had actually pegged bobo as momar shackelford but momar’s been posting in stories that don’t have anything to do with ‘them injuns takin our jobs’.
You know what… Bobo must be an Indian. He takes so much efforts and pain to petty himself and to disrepute India, that he has to be an Indian with some grievance.
Bobo, are you a “desi”? Its ok to come out clean on this.
Its not your fault.
Its not your fault.
Its not your fault.
You troll away to glory, with painstaking facts that mean nothing to a world suffering with so many other problems, and yet here as a desi brother i think you are one of us. We find a whole lot of your “type” on rediff.com.
Also, hopefully the ppl who lost their job at Adobe find something soon. Its a sad day no doubt. Wishing them good luck.
~Peace
I actually happen to know a guy from India, whose name is Bobo, but he is a killer guitarist …. and composed this Indian version of Jingle Bell, http://www.yout...h?v=dfJ6oCdjY9Y
Chill Bobo, chill! Your hands are tired typing nonsense the whole day!
Cool animation! Definitely made with Adobe Flash!
Bobo doesn’t need to “take pains to discredit India” – India is doing that to itself with endless failed projects and a failed U.S. economy as a result of the best and brightest Indian IT guest workers not keeping the U.S. economy going as they promised to do. India needs no help shooting itself in the foot – you are experts in that area.
Hey guys,
Bobo’s real name is Michael Amorose. Check out his blog – http://www.gues...workerfraud.com
He is a closet white supremacist with a long history of making racist comments against minorities. Just because he is of German and Italian heritage, he hates anyone that is not of European descent. He makes an exception for the Japanese though LOL (he once had a Japanese girlfriend).
He has even made death threats against a popular journalist:
http://blog.far...ut-tech-workers
So why is it ok for Indian IT execs to make racist comments against Americans such as “India’s engineers are better than the best American engineers’ (Karin Karnik), or “American grads are unemployable” (HCL CEO), or for Indian people to hype India and Indians but if anyone says anything negative against Indians, then it’s “racist”? You can’t have it both ways. Besides, the whole world is racist. Americans could care less if they are called racist. What goes around, comes around. And calling someone “racist” does not change the facts about India, Inc’s massive failures and disasters.
Hitler’s Mein Kampf Seen As Self-Help Guide For India’s Business Students
http://www.huff...a_n_190064.html
Dear Mr. Amorose,
I have been reading your posts and am finding them very insightful and empowering.
You seem to be very thorough, detail oriented and are very good at presenting information in a view beneficial to my cause.
If you are interested in helping contribute to the book that I have been writing, please contact me.
I think together we can further our cause!
August Kreis III