YouTube Will Be Next To Kiss IE6 Support Goodbye
by Robin Wauters on July 14, 2009

Judging by this screenshot taken by an IE6 user who was watching some videos on YouTube, it appears the Google company will be phasing out support for the browser shortly. I don’t have Internet Explorer 6 installed on my computer, so I can’t verify this first hand, but illogical it seems not and a simple Twitter search shows multiple people confirming the news. Heck, some are even downright ecstatic over the news.

The online video behemoth is pointing to ‘modern’ browsers like Google Chrome (twice on the same page even, unsurprisingly), Internet Explorer 8 and Firefox 3.5 as alternatives.

With the impending move, YouTube follows in the footsteps of that other Web 2.0 poster child, Digg, which recently hinted at wanting to cut support for the browser too. Digg’s User Experience Architect Mark Trammell at the time wrote that the site is strongly considering removing essential features like digging and commenting for IE6 users. He explained that while IE6 users make up around 5% of site traffic, it only accounts for 1% of diggs, buries, and comments.

YouTube so far hasn’t officially communicated about the desire to drop support for IE6, but it’s conceivable that like Digg it would rather have its developers spend time optimizing the service for newer, better browsers than wasting man hours on the oft-despised Microsoft browser. We recently reported that Internet Explorer is losing market share to Firefox and Safari at a rapid pace.

(Thanks to Valieriy Slysarenko for the tip)

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  • We run Google Chrome as our browser of choice :-)

  • Looks like they are not a big fan of MS. But for the benefit of IE users, they might want to reconsider. Nevertheless, it’s up to the community to think what’s right. Let’s see what happens next ;)

    - Darren at AdExcel dot Com

    • Darren,

      It’s not MS, it’s IE6. They are still supporting other versions of IE.

      YouTube had its March Madness videos on Silverlight.

    • Of course “they” are not. They are Google and therefore obviously not a friend of MS.

    • right dear….me also think so

    • They’re not a big fan of MS because that’s their biggest competitor. Google is actually being very cool about the whole thing, they could have simply state to upgrade to Chrome, but they actually display all 3 big browsers. (Too bad there’s no Opera.)

    • IE 6 is the scourge of the web and everyone who can has a moral obligation to switch – it is really holding up innovation. If you are an employee and your company forces you to use it at work it’s their fault but otherwise everyone should really switch. Everything will be faster and better.

      There’s nothing Anti-Microsoft about it.

    • Actually, I think this will help Microsoft as well won’t it. Most IE6 users will upgrade to IE8.

      There is of course a chance that as part of the upgrade process some users may switch.

      But if a popular site such as YouTube is asking users to upgrade, then it only helps Microsoft, because a lot of users will be voluntarily upgrading to their latest browser because they want to continue watching videos

      • Disagree. It’s much safer for IE6 users to keep it and install Firefox alongside. There must be some reason why they’ve stuck with IE6, and If they replace it with IE8 then they are stuffed if they need an IE6-only intranet site or plug-in.

        • ever since before *trying* ie7, i’ve been locking down inetcpl, and using better browsers. maxthon somewhat fixed ie7, but ie7 just wasn’t good enough… tried ie7pro recently.. it’s missing too many features…

          as long as google lets lynx users watch vids, then they’re all right with me. One of utoobz best features is the moronic (text) insults :-)
          http://img404.i...toobkrommos.png

          Which browser is Borat’s favorite? inquiring myndz want to know. http://www.thei...er-challenge-ie

          ms still patches ie6, but i think only because xp sp2 is still supported.
          whatever apps use bits of ie, apparently run fine using ie6 bits.

    • “Nevertheless, it’s up to the community to think what’s right.”

      The “community” has no idea of what’d be possible if IE 6 (and 7) had disappear, and how fast their favourite websites could evolve.

  • Simply changing the Firefox useragent with an iMacros script does not show this message:

    SET !USERAGENT “Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)”
    URL GOTO=http://www.youtube.com/
    WAIT SECONDS=3

    But with an original IE6 I see the message, too.

    Good :D

  • Google please do it for search too and don’t support IE please.. kill MS browser.

    • Agreed. This should have happened 7 years ago.

    • If you kill IE, you all will have to find a new browser to hate, I guess that will be Chrome.

      • especially when they decided to enter the os market and chrome is the baby.

        but i still like chrome. next to kill, opera.

        • Kill Opera next?

          You mean kill the fully standards-compliant, fast, secure, feature-rich browser that is responsible for many of the innovations you see in Firefox and Chrome?

          The reason they want to kill IE6 is because it’s NOT standards compliant and they have to spend lots of time (as do most web developers) writing ugly workarounds to get it to work with their site.

          Opera 9/10 will render any standards-compliant modern website perfectly, at least as well as Safari or Chrome.

          I don’t even use Opera, I use FF and Chrome mainly – but your comment displayed ignorance that I could not ignore.

          • It would be nice if their JavaScript improves a bit.

          • “Opera 9/10 will render any standards-compliant modern website perfectly, at least as well as Safari or Chrome.”
            Definitly no. Chrome and Safari are miles ahead Opera. Do some serious testing as a developer and you’ll realize this old reputation is not connected to the reality anymore (except for HTML 5 forms).

          • Points taken Mike and Lennie, but the point is this guy is acting like Opera should be next in line to “kill” after IE6, despite the fact that it’s still light-years ahead of IE7 and even IE8, and ranks just below FF/Chrome/Safari.

          • Maybe mike and Lennie can explain exactly how Opera’s reputation is not connected with reality anymore. Could it be that they are relying on bugs in WebKit (developing for WebKit), and cursing Opera for not having 100% bug compatibility with WebKit, so when Opera is slightly different, they automatically blame Opera because they are biased against it?

          • Mike: “Chrome and Safari are miles ahead Opera. Do some serious testing as a developer and you’ll realize this old reputation is not connected to the reality anymore (except for HTML 5 forms).”

            You’re evidently not a developer, or at least an inexperienced one. Opera has higher standards support than any other browser. As for HTML 5 forms (or anything else HTML 5) it’s not very relevant yet as it’s not yet a candidate recommendation.

      • Dennis The Menace - July 14th, 2009 at 5:35 pm PDT

        “If you kill IE, you all will have to find a new browser to hate, I guess that will be Chrome.” from Nick

        i totally agree perhaps they will hate firefox too.

    • hahahaha…i hope google ll do dis soon

  • This is huge. It’s about time some big names got behind this, it’ll be good for the whole internet.

  • great news!!!!!!!
    Revenge is near :) ))

  • I wonder Why there is no a suggestion for Apple Safari ?!

    • why not opera? or any of the other tiny browsers? they could only choose a few browser to display, and the chose these three.

      Firefox: very customizable
      Internet Explorer: sounds familiar to IE users
      Google Chrome: very fast
      Safari: also very fast

      so, you have 4 different browsers, with all different “specialties”. except for chrome and safari, who both have the same specialty.
      youtube being owned by google, what browser would you think they choose of those two, their own browser, or apple’s browser?

      that’s why there is no suggestion for safari

    • Because .001% of users are using Safari.

      • Wow, you have no idea. Safari makes up over 8% of the browser market. http://en.wikip...of_web_browsers. Like Stefan said, Safari and Chrome use the same rendering engine, so it makes sense for Google/YouTube to push their own browser using this technology.

        It is too bad that Opera doesn’t ever get any good referrals like this, but then, they command a very small percentage of the desktop browser market (< 1%), but they are huge in the mobile market. Oh well.

        My preference is:

        Windows: Firefox, Opera, Chrome, IE
        Mac: Firefox, Safari, Opera

        Firefox is just too useful with plugins, I prefer the webkit rendering engine on Mac, but it just isn’t quite ready on Windows, so Opera is nice.

        • But not on Windows, Safari on Windows is really small. And as this is IE6, their is only IE6 for windows.

        • Safari on Windows makes up ab out one half of one percent of browser usage. That’s not quite as awesome as Opera’s three quarters of one percent of browser usage.

        • “It is too bad that Opera doesn’t ever get any good referrals like this, but then, they command a very small percentage of the desktop browser market (< 1%), but they are huge in the mobile market. Oh well.”

          Opera is small in the mobile market too.
          Oh yeah, you mean it’s installed on a lot of phones ? Right, but people don’t use it on this king of phones.
          Look at this :
          http://gs.statc...y-200812-200906
          4% of the US market.
          about 25% worldwide but that’s because there are still a lot of older phones in the rest of the world. In Europe, the iPhone is strong.
          I’m pretty sure that in the next years, Chrome will be #1 for mobile browsing. It couldn’b be with only one HTC but with a few dozen on the market…
          Still, energy consumption (price too of course) is more or less important depending of the countries, and there won’t be smartphones everywhere very soon.
          Anyway, comfortable browsing requires a smartphone.

        • @Jerry: Safari 4 (Final and the Beta) uses 100% RAM on my computer (Win Vista). I don’t see how anyone can use it if it destroys your CPU.

    • Dennis The Menace - July 14th, 2009 at 5:37 pm PDT

      i love safari its also fast but i am having problems on downloading files somehow safari freezes during transfer of file from temp folder to selected download folder. has anyone experienced this?

  • Great news ! Thanks a lot YouTube !
    IE6 bye bye !

  • Finally! IE6 is holding the web back. People who still use that on a regular basis should not be allowed to own a computer.

    • How about something better? Make it a law that they need to download a newer web browser?

      Some people may not feel comfortable changing-or may not even know how to change it (like my mom, “why point the arrow there, why not here or here”. Older people may not use a computer everyday-but if they want one-what’s wrong with that?

  • “…better browsers than wasting man hours on the oft-despised Microsoft browser.”

    You make it sound like it’s Microsoft’s fault it is so bad. If you look at any browser that old its bad. It was good for its time.

    • However, it’s Microsoft’s fault for not taking enough initiative to convince people to upgrade to IE8 (and IE7 at one point)…

      Perfect example, look at Firefox, it has a built in updater program to constantly keep FF at it’s latest version.

      Sure, IE6 is kinda before that whole “auto-update” thing, but still.

    • Whose fault is it then?

      IE6, whether or not it was bad for its time (and I do think it was) caused no end of problems because MS stopped developing it once they had most of the market share. This was undeniably Microsoft’s fault, and the resulting stagnation is still causing a massive pain in the ass for any website owner still having to support it today. Ask anyone who makes websites and they will tell you the same thing.

      • I said this back when XP SP3 came out, that Microsoft should have just made IE7 a mandatory upgrade as part of the install. Microsoft could fix this issue, but instead they chose the ignore it an hope it’ll just go away tact and the rest of the world has to suffer for it.

        • Windows Updates automatically upgrades to IE8, but lot of companies have centralized updates where they can choose not to have it. They are doing it because of legacy applications do not work on newer browser. IE8 should have some IE6 mode also which user can select for such apps.

  • An IE6 user that knows how to take a screenshot? I’m amazed!

  • I think its important to note that this prolly doesn’t mean they’re gonna block the site for IE6 users, just they won’t be spending hours trying to reconcile the design and functionality for that browser –

    which likely means people STILL won’t upgrade, they’ll limp along but the site won’t look quite as nice, maybe a couple menus will fail

  • This will not affect me anyway. I’m using Chrome and Firefox here.

  • I have IE8, FF, Chome. Icheck that it’s loaded radom on diffrent comp.

    If You need other browsers You can run one from page http://www.xeno...e.com/browsers/ after install FF plugin.

  • Can any computer that is running IE 6 even handle IE8 or FF3.5

    • Usually not, which poses a problems for users and nonprofits who can’t afford to upgrade to newer machines. Hopefully as the economy strengthens and prices come down, we’ll see less and less IE6 use on the user end.

      Personally, I’m not worried about IE6 anymore. I’ve been testing on it less and less, so now I won’t even bother.

    • “Can any computer that is running IE 6 even handle IE8 or FF3.5″

      Some can, some can’t. IE 6 shipped as the Microsoft OS default browser in the fall of 2001 and continued until the release of Vista in January of 2007.

      So, that’s a broad range of machines that came bundled with IE 6.

      In late 2001 and early 2002, the Pentium 4 and Athlon chips on new machines ranged from 1.4 to 2.2 GHz and most machines were configurable with between 128-512 MB of RAM.

      The higher end of those machines can certainly run Firefox. The lower end would probably struggle.

      If you look at 2003 and 2004, most of those desktop machines can run Firefox without problems and many latops.

      By 2005 and 2006, I’d say there’s really no problem except for the lowest spec laptops.

      - A

  • What’s the stats for IE6 users on techcrunch.com?

  • This has been showing up on YouTube for well over a week now, before the Digg article came out.

  • There’s no Safari because Apple users can’t see that message , because they can’t have ie6, obviously)

  • i think all main stream website should stop supporting IE 6, so people will be forced to not use it, IE 6 should be killed.

  • I got the same message on one of my computers with I.E 6 installed. I never upgraded it because i use firefox and Opera.

    True this only affects I.E 6. Which is really old, newer versions of I.E will still be supported.

  • Nice, but what about opera ? They don’t support opera browser ?

  • I keep IE on my computer only for those sites that don’t support firefox. IE only serves the purpose to occupy the efforts of security hackers. Beyond that I don’t have much use for it.

    • Check out the “IE Tab” Firefox plug-in. You can specify sites that will run in a IE tab based on whatever IE you have installed. I used to have to use it back when Netflix streaming only supported IE.

  • Who.
    Cares.

    Seriously, IE6? Get real. MOVE ON!

    • I guess this article is more for web developers than users. We have to develop websites that work in all browsers being used — and for a while IE6 was still included in that list. Now that web giants like Google and Digg are moving on, so can we. So it really only matters to us, because now we don’t have to work as hard to make a website function properly.

      It also matters, a little, to regular users; now that YouTube and Digg won’t be spending time and money coding for IE6, they can put that time and money into better features that you can enjoy. So in a way, you do benefit from this even if you’re not a web developer! (:

  • I am sure that Google Chrome will rock the spot, but until they release it for Mac, Safari 4 is the bomb!

  • THANK YOU GOOGLE!!!!!!! Dang I hate writing for IE6 Die!

  • This won’t affect us either. We are also only using Chrome and Firefox.

  • Is this really a big deal though? I want to see ie6 abolished as much as the next guy, but aren’t most people who use ie6 large companies that are invested in NOT upgrading there browsers? how many people using ie6, will actually care about youtube AND are actually can do anything about upgrading their browser?

    • I have a lot of users on one of my websites who use IE6. I once built a CSS-only menu for this site from scratch but it didn’t work in IE6. The website in question is not corporate and is geared toward teens and twenty-somethings — many of which are using their parents’ or secondhand computers.

      I think, for the most part, most companies have upgraded (especially as they upgrade their computers and OS software, since we all know how Microsoft will force the latest browser with new upgrades and machines). You’ll probably see more schools and libraries with IE6, rather than corporations, because they are nonprofits and don’t have the funds necessary to upgrade to newer machines.

      • This is only a half-truth. The reason for slow corporate adoption is because many enterprise (read: crap) web-based systems only support IE6. Goliaths like Oracle and SAP fail hard at building their apps using standards-compliant code. And it costs too much for their customers to upgrade their enterprise systems. So IE 6 will live in corporate environments for much longer.

        Not a problem for YouTube though. While corporate users do watch YouTube videos, it isn’t of their primary concern.

    • You have a great point there. But if the Google stops supporting IE6… Mwahaha!

  • Good bye IE6, as a web developper, you made my life painfull, made me scream, cry, break things, hate my job….

    Because of you, I had to code twice, 1 time for browsers and 1 time for you, dear IE6.

    Because of your security holes when you launches, millions of computers got infected with trojan, spyware or let’s call them IE6ware.

    Your older brothers IE7 was a relief and IE8 a resurrection. (Still have work to do on the JS engine speed… lots of work)

    RIP IE6… actually, burn in hell.. ;)

    PS. Thanks to Microsoft for their effort to make IE8 a full compliant browser. Really appreciated. Times have changed…

    Simon

  • kill IE8 too .. it’s the same shit as other IE versions

    • Agreed. It’s pretty awful. What kills me the most is that I have a hard time viewing and testing locally stored web pages (like, say, clients’ websites in development on my hard drive) because there’s some weird issue with the “file:///” prefix.

      I mean, I’ll give them this: they did fix some things. But somewhere along the way, they screwed up things that were already fine. It’s so frustrating.

    • get out of here… IE8 is a step in the right direction…

    • Exactly! Why do you think so many people still use IE6? It’s because IE7/8 are still crap. Better crap, maybe, but still crap.

      How many people do you know who upgraded to IE7 and then rolled back to IE6? I know a lot. I think the lack of adoption to a newer IE argument is misplaced.

      Chrome’s whole existence is not to compete with FF/Safari/et.al., but to eradicate IE (and it’s disregard for standards) from the planet.

      • “Exactly! Why do you think so many people still use IE6? It’s because IE7/8 are still crap. Better crap, maybe, but still crap.”

        Except that you’re completely and totally wrong with this assertion. The people who remain IE 6 users don’t know how or aren’t able to update their browser. A very large portion of them are in enterprises with locked down systems and explicit upgrade cycles. Another good chunk are on systems that won’t run newer versions of IE. And finally, there are some that just don’t know what a browser is or why it matters.

        Your suggestion that IE 6 users are making an informed decision to stay on IE 6 is simply and completely wrong.

  • This makes no sense. I can tell you at EchoSign we have over 900,000 users and while Chrome is strong (at >2%), and Safari is big (>5%) … still more of our users use IE 6.0 than all of Firefox. It’s a reality of corporations (with locked down PCs and tightened budgets) if not consumers. If you don’t care about corporations, stopping support for IE 6 makes sense. If you do, it’s a non-issue.

    • It is an issue because you spend twice the amount of time, effort and money getting a web application that works fine on every web browser imaginable to work with IE6.

    • Most corporations that are locked to IE6 will probably block youtube anyway!

      Besides, this warning isn’t saying they’re going to switch off access to IE6 users, it’s saying they are phasing out support. It may actually still “work” for months or years to come.

      • @ianmcnaught makes a good point. I have no choice but to use IE6 at work, where youTube and a host of other streaming media sites are blocked by the company’s web filters. A recent survey at Digg revealed that the No. 1 reason for not upgrading to IE7/8 was a company policy that forbade them to do it on their work computers.

    • How could tightened budgets be a reason? Upgrading is free, and all the alternatives are free.

      • Yes, upgrading the browser is free, but not upgrading all the enterprise applications that do not support anything more than IE 6 without upgrading. Anybody try to do a “free” upgrade to Peoplesoft, JD Edwards or Oracle EBusiness Suite lately?.

        I work at a $7B corporation, and they don’t block sites just because they COULD be “time wasters”, they only block objectionable material (although sometimes the definition of that is questionable).

        There is no such thing as a free browser upgrade when you are talking about a company that depends on software that costs millions to implement or upgrade.

  • I feel a lot more comfortable ignoring IE6 when developing websites for new clients now that giants like Google and Digg are jumping off the bandwagon.

    If only Microsoft had done better with IE8…

  • Booooo …. Google turning Evil!

  • This is HUGE. IE6 probably increased my front-end development time by 25% whereas things just worked most other places. Happy to see this turd go the way of the dodo.

    Good things to come in the future.

  • Don’t care about corporations?! This will force them to get off their lazy asses and upgrade (for free mind you) Huge improvements have happened in browser tech over that time.

    IE6 is now how old? 8 years?

  • This is a major step in the right direction for Youtube, as well as for the entire internet community. With a website as widespread and well known as Youtube directing IE6 users to modern web browsers, this could be the beginning of IE6’s long-awaited downfall. Other websites are sure to follow suite.

    Microsoft’s failure to take action and shift it’s Internet Explorer users to newer versions of the web browser is largely responsible for keeping IE6 afloat. They should have made an attempt a long time ago to keep their users updated to the latest version of the software.

    The recent Windows auto updates that helped install Internet Explorer 8 on computers everywhere may have contributed to the cause, but help was far overdue. When IE6 was released in 2001 there were no complaints. But as the internet evolved and more modern web browsers were released in following years, things had to change. Despite the constant uproar from the online community action was not taken against IE6, even as newer versions were released.

  • This is a major step in the right direction for Youtube, as well as for the entire internet community. With a website as widespread and well known as Youtube directing IE6 users to modern web browsers, this could be the beginning of IE6’s long-awaited downfall. Other websites are sure to follow suite.

  • I saw a good doc on Yahoo’s strategy on this, which was “current version of supported browsers and one major version back. This isn’t that different from dropping IE 5.5 support when IE 7 shipped. My employer is also considering this, for similar reasons.

  • +1 one on removing IE6 support.

  • This should have been done long ago. I hate IE6!

  • IE6 is a super Star ! Everyone talk about it …

  • Yeah, but this is not really a big change, as the environments that are stuck with IE6 because of company policies also have YouTube (and similar sites) banned anyways.

    • But not all IE 6 users are using it in such environments. If you look at hourly browser usage tracking data for evenings or daily tracking data for weekends, you’ll see that IE 6 usage is pretty strong during hours when people aren’t at work.

      My estimate is that IE 6 usage doesn’t even fall in half during not-working hours/days.

      If more than half of the current IE 6 users are using it at home, there’s a chance this will have some impact.

      Now, some of those people at home are on systems that haven’t and won’t prompt them to update to IE 7 or IE 8 because they’re too old, like Windows 2K, ME, and 98.

      Still, I’d wager that the majority of home users on IE 6 are on XP have not enabled Windows Update so they’re not getting pressured to upgrade. A YouTube notice might convince them to get a browser outside of the Windows Update system.

      • updates outside from microsoft? there is only way ;) microsoft is launichg updates for updates and after patches for updates for updates. other way of thinking: is anyone doesn’t know there are many modern browser working very well on XP and ONE IMPORTANT THING:In 2006, citing its lack of security, PC World named Internet Explorer 6 number 8 on their list of the “25 worst tech products of all time”.
        And what about evolution? have we still keep a poor pages becuase microsoft piss off W3C standards? NO ! :) so there is the greates news I ever heard ;) I’m just webdeveloper and cannot say I’m not supporting ie6 but now I CAN :)

  • I just checked youtube in IE6 and see the same message in the screenshot. This is great news. Also, there are THREE mentions of chrome on youtubes’s homepage, not just google. I also checked digg and it looks like they aren’t displaying any message about dropping support and I was still able to digg the IE6 rumor article, from IE6. Maybe they will pull the trigger as well with YouTubes recent move.

  • ps, I have screenshots as well.

  • Finally! Now all we need is Bing announcing the same thing… ;)

  • Its about time the bigger companies spread their opinion on browsers to the masses :)

  • At last the huge portals are taking action on this, good for them, the developers and the final users!

  • Thank god for this. Microsoft should force mandatory updates for its cavemen customers still using ie6.

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