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	<title>Comments on: Caveat Emptor: iBidcondo Auctions Off Real Estate At Massive Discounts, But There&#8217;s A Catch</title>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3023686</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of an innovative auction model is definitely a fresh take on the bidding process, but I question the likelihood of it coming into the main stream. 

The auction format itself is inherently more novelty in nature and I just don&#039;t think your average buyer is going to be willing to deal with the added chance variable to what is already a somewhat complicate buying process.

I think that this format has more viability when its selling consumer goods as several sites are currently doing. I just think the mindset between homebuying vs electronics buying is different enough that it will cause them problems. 
http://www.managemyproperty.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of an innovative auction model is definitely a fresh take on the bidding process, but I question the likelihood of it coming into the main stream. </p>
<p>The auction format itself is inherently more novelty in nature and I just don&#8217;t think your average buyer is going to be willing to deal with the added chance variable to what is already a somewhat complicate buying process.</p>
<p>I think that this format has more viability when its selling consumer goods as several sites are currently doing. I just think the mindset between homebuying vs electronics buying is different enough that it will cause them problems.<br />
<a href="http://www.managemyproperty.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.managemyproperty.com'>http://www.mana...emyproperty.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: DotComGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3011484</link>
		<dc:creator>DotComGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just received email from iBidCondo that their next auction which was originally in July then delayed to October is now delayed until 2010.  fail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just received email from iBidCondo that their next auction which was originally in July then delayed to October is now delayed until 2010.  fail?</p>
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		<title>By: louise</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2965187</link>
		<dc:creator>louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But isn&#039;t their a final clock?  So no matter what the auction ends at whatever time it ends, like 20 minutes.  So if 100 people all place their bids at the final 2 seconds, it has to be chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But isn&#8217;t their a final clock?  So no matter what the auction ends at whatever time it ends, like 20 minutes.  So if 100 people all place their bids at the final 2 seconds, it has to be chance.</p>
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		<title>By: iBidCondo: Real Estate meets Entertainment Shopping! &#124; Penny Auction Watch</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2964697</link>
		<dc:creator>iBidCondo: Real Estate meets Entertainment Shopping! &#124; Penny Auction Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The auction is scheduled for October 7th, 2009, a slightly smaller 2 bedroom/1bath, 1,160 sq ft. unit is currently on the market for $278,000. TechCrunch&#8217;s Jason Kincaid is a critic, from Caveat Emptor: iBidcondo Auctions Off Real Estate At Massive Discounts, But There’s A Catch:  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The auction is scheduled for October 7th, 2009, a slightly smaller 2 bedroom/1bath, 1,160 sq ft. unit is currently on the market for $278,000. TechCrunch&#8217;s Jason Kincaid is a critic, from Caveat Emptor: iBidcondo Auctions Off Real Estate At Massive Discounts, But There’s A Catch:  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SevenSnap、問題多い「エンターテイメント・ショッピング」をiPhoneに持ち込む</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2957817</link>
		<dc:creator>SevenSnap、問題多い「エンターテイメント・ショッピング」をiPhoneに持ち込む</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] この分野の他のスタートアップも、詐欺行為について似たような問題に直面し、もっとユーザーフレンドリーにするべく、手順を踏んでいるところだ。その一つが、iBidCondoで、似たようなモデルを住宅の競売に使っている。本誌が7月にこのサイトを見た時、私（および読者の何人か）が、いくつか問題の可能性を指摘した。その問題を踏まえ、同社では予定されていたオークションを延期して、システムにもっと透明性を与えるべく修正中だ。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] この分野の他のスタートアップも、詐欺行為について似たような問題に直面し、もっとユーザーフレンドリーにするべく、手順を踏んでいるところだ。その一つが、iBidCondoで、似たようなモデルを住宅の競売に使っている。本誌が7月にこのサイトを見た時、私（および読者の何人か）が、いくつか問題の可能性を指摘した。その問題を踏まえ、同社では予定されていたオークションを延期して、システムにもっと透明性を与えるべく修正中だ。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SevenSnap Is Bringing Controversial &#8220;Entertainment Shopping&#8221; To An iPhone Near You</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2957197</link>
		<dc:creator>SevenSnap Is Bringing Controversial &#8220;Entertainment Shopping&#8221; To An iPhone Near You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is iBidCondo, which uses a somewhat similar model to auction off housing. We looked at the site July, when I (and a number of readers) pointed out some potential problems. In light of these concerns [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is iBidCondo, which uses a somewhat similar model to auction off housing. We looked at the site July, when I (and a number of readers) pointed out some potential problems. In light of these concerns [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MICHAEL</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2933847</link>
		<dc:creator>MICHAEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If all bids come in at the same time at the end and it&#039;s defined more or less by chance, isn&#039;t it a raffle more than an auction? If so, in the US I hear that it needs to be run by a nonprofit to be legal in most states. 

Interesting how each country seems to have a different take on this, I came across this &#039;treasure hunt&#039; type contest in France: http://winahouseraffles.com/raffles/the-treasure-tube.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all bids come in at the same time at the end and it&#8217;s defined more or less by chance, isn&#8217;t it a raffle more than an auction? If so, in the US I hear that it needs to be run by a nonprofit to be legal in most states. </p>
<p>Interesting how each country seems to have a different take on this, I came across this &#8216;treasure hunt&#8217; type contest in France: <a href="http://winahouseraffles.com/raffles/the-treasure-tube.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://winahouseraffles.com/raffles/the-treasure-tube.html'>http://winahous...asure-tube.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: rmann</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2874016</link>
		<dc:creator>rmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have seem have stolen the idea from humraz and swoopo, so its quite funny that they refer to it as a patent pending business model.

From swoopo they have taken the bidding against the clock and the bid goes up in increments and the timer starts again. Though swoopo make a charge for every bid and make money that way.

From humraz they have stolen the pay for a &#039;seat&#039; idea. Except humraz don&#039;t charge anyone for the seat until there are enough people signed-up so if there is no auction no one pays. Also there you don&#039;t pay the final bid price, so the seat price is all you pay.

You&#039;re right Jason it is taking a long time on Humraz and they have had way more publicity than these people so I would question whether ibidcondo have actually &#039;sold&#039; anyhthing.

When was the last time you looked at the humraz site, I&#039;ve signed up for the apartment in London and am trying to spread the word so that others sign-up too so that the bloody auction will start. BUT AT LEAST I HAVEN&#039;T PAID ANYTHING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have seem have stolen the idea from humraz and swoopo, so its quite funny that they refer to it as a patent pending business model.</p>
<p>From swoopo they have taken the bidding against the clock and the bid goes up in increments and the timer starts again. Though swoopo make a charge for every bid and make money that way.</p>
<p>From humraz they have stolen the pay for a &#8217;seat&#8217; idea. Except humraz don&#8217;t charge anyone for the seat until there are enough people signed-up so if there is no auction no one pays. Also there you don&#8217;t pay the final bid price, so the seat price is all you pay.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right Jason it is taking a long time on Humraz and they have had way more publicity than these people so I would question whether ibidcondo have actually &#8217;sold&#8217; anyhthing.</p>
<p>When was the last time you looked at the humraz site, I&#8217;ve signed up for the apartment in London and am trying to spread the word so that others sign-up too so that the bloody auction will start. BUT AT LEAST I HAVEN&#8217;T PAID ANYTHING.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal Marchond</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2872120</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal Marchond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question: if it&#039;s not a lottery, how are the prices kept so low? Wouldn&#039;t one of the folks who paid $100 for a seat happily pay $87.000 for a $690,000 condo? We can assume that they did not because the time ran out on the auction. If this is the case it seems much like swoopo.com in that whomever gets the lucky last bid in will win. As all the bidders will be clicking wildly to get this last bid in, the winner is essentially random. This then becomes gambling and not an auction. Answer this simple question: how can you have such low prices and a meaningful bidding process? It seems in the rest of the auction world the two can&#039;t coexist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question: if it&#8217;s not a lottery, how are the prices kept so low? Wouldn&#8217;t one of the folks who paid $100 for a seat happily pay $87.000 for a $690,000 condo? We can assume that they did not because the time ran out on the auction. If this is the case it seems much like swoopo.com in that whomever gets the lucky last bid in will win. As all the bidders will be clicking wildly to get this last bid in, the winner is essentially random. This then becomes gambling and not an auction. Answer this simple question: how can you have such low prices and a meaningful bidding process? It seems in the rest of the auction world the two can&#8217;t coexist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2861442</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch iBidcondo founder Eugene Marchese personally answer your questions. First up, “Is iBidcondo a raffle or lottery?”

http://www.facebook.com/iBidco.....amp;ref=mf

http://www.facebook.com/iBidco.....amp;ref=mf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch iBidcondo founder Eugene Marchese personally answer your questions. First up, “Is iBidcondo a raffle or lottery?”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/iBidco.....amp;ref=mf" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.facebook.com/iBidco&#8230;..amp;ref=mf'>http://www.face...30;..amp;ref=mf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/iBidco.....amp;ref=mf" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.facebook.com/iBidco&#8230;..amp;ref=mf'>http://www.face...30;..amp;ref=mf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2861424</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch iBidcondo founder Eugene Marchese personally answer your questions. First up, &quot;Is iBidcondo a raffle or lottery?&quot; 


http://www.facebook.com/iBidcondo?ref=nf#/video/video.php?v=115111373473&amp;ref=mf

http://www.facebook.com/iBidcondo?ref=nf#/video/video.php?v=115112898473&amp;ref=mf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch iBidcondo founder Eugene Marchese personally answer your questions. First up, &#8220;Is iBidcondo a raffle or lottery?&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/iBidcondo?ref=nf#/video/video.php?v=115111373473&amp;ref=mf" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.facebook.com/iBidcondo?ref=nf#/video/video.php?v=115111373473&amp;ref=mf'>http://www.face...3473&amp;ref=mf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/iBidcondo?ref=nf#/video/video.php?v=115112898473&amp;ref=mf" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.facebook.com/iBidcondo?ref=nf#/video/video.php?v=115112898473&amp;ref=mf'>http://www.face...8473&amp;ref=mf</a></p>
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		<title>By: abc</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2859801</link>
		<dc:creator>abc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bidonthecity.com did it a bit classier</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bidonthecity.com did it a bit classier</p>
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		<title>By: DAVID</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2859744</link>
		<dc:creator>DAVID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew&#039;s comment reminds me of a reverse auction.  Where the bidders each pay a token amount to view the current price (which drops each time someone views) and each time the bidder views, he/she has a chance to buy at the current price.  I recently purchased a $1200 LCD TV for $300.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roadway2wealth.com/dubli-reverse-auction.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.roadway2wealth.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew&#8217;s comment reminds me of a reverse auction.  Where the bidders each pay a token amount to view the current price (which drops each time someone views) and each time the bidder views, he/she has a chance to buy at the current price.  I recently purchased a $1200 LCD TV for $300.  <a href="http://www.roadway2wealth.com/dubli-reverse-auction.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.roadway2wealth.com'>http://www.roadway2wealth.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2858725</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually just finished a paper on the game theory behind Swoopo.  After talking with several bidders and reading reports, the auction is usually decided by chance as the time expires before the sheer number of bids can be registered by the server.

Otherwise, the economic theory behind such sites would drive the price up to at least the actual price, if not beyond.

This is obviously not good for the auction sites as their business would dry up.  Thus it is decided almost entirely by chance amoung the hundreds of bidders clicking in the final seconds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually just finished a paper on the game theory behind Swoopo.  After talking with several bidders and reading reports, the auction is usually decided by chance as the time expires before the sheer number of bids can be registered by the server.</p>
<p>Otherwise, the economic theory behind such sites would drive the price up to at least the actual price, if not beyond.</p>
<p>This is obviously not good for the auction sites as their business would dry up.  Thus it is decided almost entirely by chance amoung the hundreds of bidders clicking in the final seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2858687</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the number of auction seats sold is set and limited to cover the retail price of the property.

Also, the bidding is controlled by a timer. Our last auction lasted only 20 minutes, therefore there are only so many bids to be submitted in that time period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the number of auction seats sold is set and limited to cover the retail price of the property.</p>
<p>Also, the bidding is controlled by a timer. Our last auction lasted only 20 minutes, therefore there are only so many bids to be submitted in that time period.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2858636</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The highest bidder wins the auction, therefore this is not a lottery or raffle. Just like a traditional physical auction where people are guided by an auctioneer, we follow the same platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The highest bidder wins the auction, therefore this is not a lottery or raffle. Just like a traditional physical auction where people are guided by an auctioneer, we follow the same platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2858618</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct. The properties featured on iBidcondo.com are not foreclosures. All properties are new developments or individual home-sellers placing their homes on the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct. The properties featured on iBidcondo.com are not foreclosures. All properties are new developments or individual home-sellers placing their homes on the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2858602</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You still only payed $100 for the seat. Only the winning bidder has to pay the bid amount. I don&#039;t see how you could confuse this, what bidding system has EVER made anyone pay for a non-winning bid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You still only payed $100 for the seat. Only the winning bidder has to pay the bid amount. I don&#8217;t see how you could confuse this, what bidding system has EVER made anyone pay for a non-winning bid?</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2858512</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to the Austin folk commenting on the neighborhoods. I hear nothing but good things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to the Austin folk commenting on the neighborhoods. I hear nothing but good things.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2858151</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment applies to Swoopo; looks like this is a different model. Much more like a lottery, yes, since the limited time frame means the final bidder will be determined to some degree by chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment applies to Swoopo; looks like this is a different model. Much more like a lottery, yes, since the limited time frame means the final bidder will be determined to some degree by chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2858140</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, because there is no element of chance. As long as you&#039;re willing to keep bidding, you will eventually win the item. It&#039;s a clever scam, though, because there will be enough people playing it like a lottery (ie, with no commitment to pay anything near the value) that they&#039;ll make up any shortfall. 

I think it will be regulated like gambling though, because all the same social problems are there: the first time some retiree blows his pension on a failed condo bid, that&#039;ll be the end of this model for big-ticket items.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, because there is no element of chance. As long as you&#8217;re willing to keep bidding, you will eventually win the item. It&#8217;s a clever scam, though, because there will be enough people playing it like a lottery (ie, with no commitment to pay anything near the value) that they&#8217;ll make up any shortfall. </p>
<p>I think it will be regulated like gambling though, because all the same social problems are there: the first time some retiree blows his pension on a failed condo bid, that&#8217;ll be the end of this model for big-ticket items.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2858108</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re a rocket scientist.</description>
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		<title>By: Win a House</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2858013</link>
		<dc:creator>Win a House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are definitely seeing more lowest unique bidding sites featuring property prizes these days. While to my knowledge popular sites like swoopo and bidster haven&#039;t yet focused on real estate, there are many examples of sites attempting this - including in the UK, Australia and Germany. 

As they are usually considered auctions or skill-based competitions, they are legal in many jurisdictions. One of the benefits from a player&#039;s perspective when it relies on selling &#039;seats&#039; in advance is that unlike a normal auction, the winning bid usually doesn&#039;t have to be paid (just the price of the &#039;seat&#039;). 

As a number of  people have noted, the flipside is that this relies on attracting a large number of entries for such a big prize. 

I&#039;m sure we will continue to see more of these types of house competitions given many payment providers seem to be comfortable with this business model (as opposed to certain other types of skill-based competitions).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are definitely seeing more lowest unique bidding sites featuring property prizes these days. While to my knowledge popular sites like swoopo and bidster haven&#8217;t yet focused on real estate, there are many examples of sites attempting this &#8211; including in the UK, Australia and Germany. </p>
<p>As they are usually considered auctions or skill-based competitions, they are legal in many jurisdictions. One of the benefits from a player&#8217;s perspective when it relies on selling &#8217;seats&#8217; in advance is that unlike a normal auction, the winning bid usually doesn&#8217;t have to be paid (just the price of the &#8217;seat&#8217;). </p>
<p>As a number of  people have noted, the flipside is that this relies on attracting a large number of entries for such a big prize. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure we will continue to see more of these types of house competitions given many payment providers seem to be comfortable with this business model (as opposed to certain other types of skill-based competitions).</p>
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		<title>By: Dallas Real Estate News, Housing Trends, Home Prices, Home Tours, Candy Evans, DallasDirt Blog D Magazine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on iBidCondo and The Beat Condo Auction In Dallas July 27</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2857990</link>
		<dc:creator>Dallas Real Estate News, Housing Trends, Home Prices, Home Tours, Candy Evans, DallasDirt Blog D Magazine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on iBidCondo and The Beat Condo Auction In Dallas July 27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this on TechCrunch, and it does explain the complicated auction process. I was told the charity/iBidCondo fee (the price [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this on TechCrunch, and it does explain the complicated auction process. I was told the charity/iBidCondo fee (the price [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/caveat-emptor-ibidcondo-auctions-real-estate-at-massive-discounts-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-2857970</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you&#039;re the second place guy that bids $85,000 for exactly NOTHING.

Imagine how that would make you feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you&#8217;re the second place guy that bids $85,000 for exactly NOTHING.</p>
<p>Imagine how that would make you feel.</p>
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