Comments on: European Publishers Band Together To Underscore Lack Of Understanding Search Engines, The Web http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/ Startup and Technology News Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:48:49 -0800 hourly 1 By: Giornali, Utilità e Ricerca delle Notizie | Infoservi.it http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2873690 Giornali, Utilità e Ricerca delle Notizie | Infoservi.it Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:32:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2873690 [...] le notizie”. Arrivano perfino a fare pressione sull’Unione Europea, tanto da suscitare le critiche di TechCrunch – le cui posizioni sono spesso discutibili, ma è pur sempre un chiaro esempio di come si [...] [...] le notizie”. Arrivano perfino a fare pressione sull’Unione Europea, tanto da suscitare le critiche di TechCrunch – le cui posizioni sono spesso discutibili, ma è pur sempre un chiaro esempio di come si [...]

]]> By: Užrašai iš skaitmeninio fronto #20 http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2869761 Užrašai iš skaitmeninio fronto #20 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:23:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2869761 [...] dėl kvailiausių leidėjų titulo su Gineso rekordų knygos leidykla norėtų varžytis ir Europos leidėjų taryba: ji reiškia pretenzijas Google, kad… ši atveda skaitytojus į žurnalų ir laikraščių [...] [...] dėl kvailiausių leidėjų titulo su Gineso rekordų knygos leidykla norėtų varžytis ir Europos leidėjų taryba: ji reiškia pretenzijas Google, kad… ši atveda skaitytojus į žurnalų ir laikraščių [...]

]]> By: unfair deal http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2859865 unfair deal Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:33:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2859865 I have come up with solution. Unpaid customers and search engines see the news story as only-text, no image, single page format, with ads. While paid customers will see the same story with paragraph/page formatted text with images. I have come up with solution. Unpaid customers and search engines see the news story as only-text, no image, single page format, with ads. While paid customers will see the same story with paragraph/page formatted text with images.

]]> By: ACAP http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2855270 ACAP Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:07:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2855270 To set the record straight, publishers generally and ACAP (Automated Content Access Protocol) specifically are not asking anyone for a change in European law. Rather, ACAP is, in a transparent and open way, creating tools so that copyright and licences can work in a machine-to-machine way without needing a human somewhere in the middle. This reflects the reality of the internet where so much depends on computers being able to operate autonomously on a massive scale, for example when search engines create their indexes. What ACAP is asking of regulators is for recognition that ACAP is just as valid a way of writing a licence as a contract on paper written by a lawyer, and so is one of the solutions to the digital rights conundrum. We want them to encourage search engines and other aggregators to use this tool to demonstrate commitment to their oft-stated acknowledgement that content belongs to the content providers and it is for them, the rightsholders, to decide how and on what terms third parties should use it. Members of the ACAP community also want to use it to facilitate other machine-to-machine functions unrelated to search, such as permissioning use of content by other third parties. ACAP is not just about money, but about making content widely available in the existing copyright framework which has driven the immense growth in the creation and availability of content for hundreds of years. Copyright is the cornerstone of innovation and progress in publishing as well the other creative industries. ACAP is one step towards making it continue to work in the 21st century." To set the record straight, publishers generally and ACAP (Automated Content Access Protocol) specifically are not asking anyone for a change in European law. Rather, ACAP is, in a transparent and open way, creating tools so that copyright and licences can work in a machine-to-machine way without needing a human somewhere in the middle. This reflects the reality of the internet where so much depends on computers being able to operate autonomously on a massive scale, for example when search engines create their indexes. What ACAP is asking of regulators is for recognition that ACAP is just as valid a way of writing a licence as a contract on paper written by a lawyer, and so is one of the solutions to the digital rights conundrum. We want them to encourage search engines and other aggregators to use this tool to demonstrate commitment to their oft-stated acknowledgement that content belongs to the content providers and it is for them, the rightsholders, to decide how and on what terms third parties should use it. Members of the ACAP community also want to use it to facilitate other machine-to-machine functions unrelated to search, such as permissioning use of content by other third parties. ACAP is not just about money, but about making content widely available in the existing copyright framework which has driven the immense growth in the creation and availability of content for hundreds of years. Copyright is the cornerstone of innovation and progress in publishing as well the other creative industries. ACAP is one step towards making it continue to work in the 21st century.”

]]> By: 欧州のパブリッシャーが共同で検索エンジンやウェブについての…無知を晒す http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2854496 欧州のパブリッシャーが共同で検索エンジンやウェブについての…無知を晒す Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:55:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2854496 [...] ［原文へ］ [...] [...] ［原文へ］ [...]

]]> By: Article Playground http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2854476 Article Playground Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:39:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2854476 The only true understanding for how search engines work is to keep publishing fresh, unique content that will constantly get indexed by Bing, Google, MSN & YaHoO! , for potentially top search engine positions and capitalize on free search engine traffic :-) The only true understanding for how search engines work is to keep publishing fresh, unique content that will constantly get indexed by Bing, Google, MSN & YaHoO! , for potentially top search engine positions and capitalize on free search engine traffic :-)

]]> By: links for 2009-07-14 « A little Jack with that? http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2854400 links for 2009-07-14 « A little Jack with that? Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:35:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2854400 [...] European Publishers Band Together To Underscore Lack Of Understanding Search Engines, The Web >&g... [...] [...] European Publishers Band Together To Underscore Lack Of Understanding Search Engines, The Web >&g… [...]

]]> By: Strange Attractor » Blog Archive » links for 2009-07-14 http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2854395 Strange Attractor » Blog Archive » links for 2009-07-14 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:30:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2854395 [...] European Publishers Band Together To Underscore Lack Of Understanding Search Engines, The Web Kevin: Robin Wauters at TechCrunch writes: "International publishers demand new intellectual property rights protection to safeguard the future of journalism. [...] [...] European Publishers Band Together To Underscore Lack Of Understanding Search Engines, The Web Kevin: Robin Wauters at TechCrunch writes: "International publishers demand new intellectual property rights protection to safeguard the future of journalism. [...]

]]> By: Wittkewitz http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2854228 Wittkewitz Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:56:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2854228 Unlike the situation in the US, particularly the german media still makes a wagonload of money each month. It is decreasing, but a lot of bucks are coming out of their magazines and newspapers. They are used to profit rates above 10%. As they observed the US situation and know, that the US is running ahead in terms of economy and usage of web, they already do what they are used to do: If you can't cope with new situations, you have to turn the adjustment screws (politicians). That's what we've also seen with carmakers, pharma and stuff. Look at the guys from Pfizer and Monsanto. It is an international pattern. They do not enter the european markets by advertising, they do it by putting their staff at the most influential positions in the European Administration in Brussels andt Strasbourg... Unlike the situation in the US, particularly the german media still makes a wagonload of money each month. It is decreasing, but a lot of bucks are coming out of their magazines and newspapers. They are used to profit rates above 10%. As they observed the US situation and know, that the US is running ahead in terms of economy and usage of web, they already do what they are used to do: If you can’t cope with new situations, you have to turn the adjustment screws (politicians). That’s what we’ve also seen with carmakers, pharma and stuff. Look at the guys from Pfizer and Monsanto. It is an international pattern. They do not enter the european markets by advertising, they do it by putting their staff at the most influential positions in the European Administration in Brussels andt Strasbourg…

]]> By: Joe http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2853461 Joe Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:37:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2853461 I have to agree with Daniel here. The newspaper industry obviously needs some revamping of their business model, and is undergoing fundamental changes. This does not mean they should be grasping at straws and acting defensively in fighting against sweeping trends. They should instead learn how to embrace the new models and adapt to it. There is a win-win here for publishers in having more of an audience know about their content and search engines being able to provide greater value to their users. Collaboration is the name of the game, not throwing up walls. I have to agree with Daniel here. The newspaper industry obviously needs some revamping of their business model, and is undergoing fundamental changes.

This does not mean they should be grasping at straws and acting defensively in fighting against sweeping trends. They should instead learn how to embrace the new models and adapt to it.

There is a win-win here for publishers in having more of an audience know about their content and search engines being able to provide greater value to their users. Collaboration is the name of the game, not throwing up walls.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2853396 Daniel Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:07:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2853396 I still don't quite understand how indexing and linking to original content is supposed to be an IP infringement. At no point is the product/service (in this case the content) being reproduced or even re-sold. Search engines and aggregators are not selling the content itself, they are selling a service that allows people to locate the content efficiently. There is no reason why content providers should get a cut of this, since they aren't involved in providing this service at all. Let me apply an "old world" example: Let's say that I'm a person who is very knowledgeable about where to buy TVs at a low cost. I decide to sell my consulting services to people who are looking to buy TVs. As part of this service I obviously go to each of the electronics stores to find out pricing, special offers, etc. and then use this data to advise my clients. I still direct clients to the electronics store for the actual TV purchase. Would the electronics store have a right to claim part of my revenues as a consultant because my service is based on directing clients to goods that they provide? ....I should think not! The newspaper industry's argument would make more sense if the entire content was being offered directly by aggregators/search engines, but this way it just seems ridiculous. I still don’t quite understand how indexing and linking to original content is supposed to be an IP infringement. At no point is the product/service (in this case the content) being reproduced or even re-sold.

Search engines and aggregators are not selling the content itself, they are selling a service that allows people to locate the content efficiently. There is no reason why content providers should get a cut of this, since they aren’t involved in providing this service at all.

Let me apply an “old world” example:

Let’s say that I’m a person who is very knowledgeable about where to buy TVs at a low cost. I decide to sell my consulting services to people who are looking to buy TVs. As part of this service I obviously go to each of the electronics stores to find out pricing, special offers, etc. and then use this data to advise my clients. I still direct clients to the electronics store for the actual TV purchase.

Would the electronics store have a right to claim part of my revenues as a consultant because my service is based on directing clients to goods that they provide? ….I should think not!

The newspaper industry’s argument would make more sense if the entire content was being offered directly by aggregators/search engines, but this way it just seems ridiculous.

]]> By: Tommy http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852823 Tommy Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:58:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852823 what if google black listed their webpages? guess what they will say then what if google black listed their webpages?
guess what they will say then

]]> By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="621599484">Paramendra Kumar Bhagat</fb:name> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852780 Paramendra Kumar Bhagat Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:35:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852780 This document is of great historical importance. This document is of great historical importance.

]]> By: sevatt http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852278 sevatt Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:01:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852278 Sounds like they want google to pay them to link to their content. Not going to happen. They have too many competitors who would love the traffic for free. Sounds like they want google to pay them to link to their content. Not going to happen. They have too many competitors who would love the traffic for free.

]]> By: MyLocator (tm) http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852252 MyLocator (tm) Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:46:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852252 search engines....its like trying to understand the universe and googl is god. search engines….its like trying to understand the universe and googl is god.

]]> By: unfair deal http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852198 unfair deal Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:07:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852198 When NYT makes its content paid, goog stops indexing it. This is unfair, we need to find a workaround. When NYT makes its content paid, goog stops indexing it. This is unfair, we need to find a workaround.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852138 Andrew Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:41:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852138 Viviane Reding won't be persuaded that easily! I can't imagine how anyone with decent advisors can even contemplate "solutions" like this... Unless they are adopting the same strategy as music labels: we know the model is broken and we are broken, but we will use legal and regulatory methods to keep revenue flowing as long as possible before we reincarnate Viviane Reding won’t be persuaded that easily! I can’t imagine how anyone with decent advisors can even contemplate “solutions” like this…

Unless they are adopting the same strategy as music labels: we know the model is broken and we are broken, but we will use legal and regulatory methods to keep revenue flowing as long as possible before we reincarnate

]]> By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="695257023">Frank Huber</fb:name> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852103 Frank Huber Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:22:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852103 Another question: What would these publishers say if Google would start to charge for indexing their sites or kick them out of the index? Maybe that would make them think about new strategies. Btw: I blogged some of these potential strategies at http://blog.firstmedia.de/?p=843 Another question: What would these publishers say if Google would start to charge for indexing their sites or kick them out of the index? Maybe that would make them think about new strategies.
Btw: I blogged some of these potential strategies at http://blog.fir...media.de/?p=843

]]> By: jason http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852073 jason Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:06:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852073 Idiots! Go ahead and take your ball (content) and go home, just be sure to let me know how the "lets stop progress" works out for you all. Idiots! Go ahead and take your ball (content) and go home, just be sure to let me know how the “lets stop progress” works out for you all.

]]> By: BLOG@IPJUR.COM http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852069 BLOG@IPJUR.COM Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:05:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852069 <strong>The Piratenpartei And Other Aspects of IP War...</strong> Those were the times where business owners proudly advertised their use of the patent system (Photo above: Patent House, Fawe Street, London. Located in Poplar, East London, is the former factory site of dog-food pioneer James Spratt, built in 1899. ... The Piratenpartei And Other Aspects of IP War…

Those were the times where business owners proudly advertised their use of the patent system (Photo above: Patent House, Fawe Street, London. Located in Poplar, East London, is the former factory site of dog-food pioneer James Spratt, built in 1899. …

]]> By: Marcelo http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852050 Marcelo Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:57:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852050 Muito bom seu blog. Muito bom seu blog.

]]> By: unfair indeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852046 unfair indeed Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:56:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852046 The moment NYT makes its contents paid, goog cant index it. This is unfair, and we should find a workaround.. The moment NYT makes its contents paid, goog cant index it. This is unfair, and we should find a workaround..

]]> By: Rob http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852027 Rob Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:46:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852027 You're an idiot. Go away. You’re an idiot. Go away.

]]> By: squidoo http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2852015 squidoo Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:39:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2852015 You in America (together with the Jews) seem to have the god-given right to progress, no matter what. Today, some of us - starting with us Europeans - are staring to take offence at this. WE DO NOT LIKE YOUR NOTION OF MORE, YOUR NOTION OF PROGRESS. You are welcome to hate us back. You in America (together with the Jews) seem to have the god-given right to progress, no matter what. Today, some of us – starting with us Europeans – are staring to take offence at this. WE DO NOT LIKE YOUR NOTION OF MORE, YOUR NOTION OF PROGRESS. You are welcome to hate us back.

]]> By: Digital Media Buzz - European Publishers Band Together To Underscore Lack Of Understanding Search Engines, The Web | Digital Media Buzz http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13/european-publishers-band-together-to-underscore-lack-of-understanding-search-engines-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2851975 Digital Media Buzz - European Publishers Band Together To Underscore Lack Of Understanding Search Engines, The Web | Digital Media Buzz Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:22:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=82449#comment-2851975 [...] The rest of the news release contains more gems, like this quote from Gavin O’Reilly, Group Chief Executive Officer, Independent News & Media, President of the World Association of Newspapers and News Publishers (WAN-IFRA) and Chairman of ACAP (Automated Content Access Protocol):………[read entire story] [...] [...] The rest of the news release contains more gems, like this quote from Gavin O’Reilly, Group Chief Executive Officer, Independent News & Media, President of the World Association of Newspapers and News Publishers (WAN-IFRA) and Chairman of ACAP (Automated Content Access Protocol):………[read entire story] [...]

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