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		<title>By: NEW PRODUCT PRICING: Is the MARKET right? &#171; Sales, Software &#38; Entrepreneurship</title>
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		<dc:creator>NEW PRODUCT PRICING: Is the MARKET right? &#171; Sales, Software &#38; Entrepreneurship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] enterprise software as well as consumer software. Recently Techcrunch published a great writeup on free pricing in enterprise software. Bill Gurley from Benchmark Capital has a nice writeup on pricing-related [...]</description>
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		<title>By: thedp</title>
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		<dc:creator>thedp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know 37Signals is completely free...</description>
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		<title>By: Freemium business model is and will be the solution to problems of website monetization &#124; TechFilipino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freemium business model is and will be the solution to problems of website monetization &#124; TechFilipino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in free, you’re going to die by free”). And a reply post on a guest post by owner of Box.net on TechCrunch has mentioned that they agree to a certain extent, but says that real business model lies in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 依靠免费产品而活，也会因为免费产品而死 at BY-SAKAI_BLOG</title>
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		<dc:creator>依靠免费产品而活，也会因为免费产品而死 at BY-SAKAI_BLOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 本博客作者是Aaron Levie，Box.net 的创始人和CEO。随着Chris Anderson的新书《免费时代》的发行，行业内都基本认定：对媒体内容和2C产品免费是大势所趋。对企业级（2B）产品则要实行“Freemium” 形式，即Free（免费）+Premium（收费）。其具体定义是： 把你的服务免费提供出去，可以有广告也可以没有广告，无所谓。在免费基础上，借着口碑/人际网络/搜索这些渠道吸引到大量用户。然后提供更高级的有附加价值的服务给高级用户，对这些功能收费。 今天，已经有很多Freemium模式的实例。比如37Signals/PBworks/GoogleApps这样的商业服务，比如Mysql /SugarCRM这样的开源服务。但是，这些公司或者服务还没有做成一个很大的市场规模。Mysql在被并购前只有5000万美金的收入，其它 Freemium模式的公司只有几百万左右的收入。 Mark Cuban指出：你依靠免费产品而活，也会因为免费产品而死。尤其是当你的收入来源仅仅是靠PV带来的广告或者VC的热钱。当你的产品的独特性失去时，你的用户也走了。收入和资本也就走了。 单纯的免费是不可能构建一个商业模式的，而Freemium有前途。Freemium为什么能够在有大量小企业的竞争格局里占据大份额的市场？第 一，Freemium能够争取到大量的免费用户，然后从各种类型的用户身上得到反馈。第二，把那些免费用户过度到收费用户的成本是相对低的，可能性更大， 因为他们已经在用你的产品。而如果在他没有长期试用产品的情况下，一开始就劝说他们掏钱的难度是很大的。 GoogleApps就是这样一个实例。作为个人，你能免费用Gmail和Calendar这些服务，但如果要成为企业级用户，就需要付钱。与 其花费大量的广告和推广预算去教育市场和培养用户，倒不如吸引免费用户并且建立一个社区，自然就会有一些忠诚用户成为“传道者”，孜孜不倦的提供建议并且 拉来新用户。这也会避免竞争者以低价进入市场抢走用户。 Freemium给用户一个很大的优惠，就是如果他不喜欢，扭头就走。这就促使厂商去不断改进产品，而不是去漫无目的的砸广告做推广，或者跟采购经理拉关系，磨时间。这意味着，你必须逼迫自己去做最好的产品，否则，这些免费用户很快就走了。 对于那些转移成本很高的产品，Freemium模式也可行。如果我在使用另一款产品，为什么不让我先免费试用你的产品，等待我上瘾后再劝我放弃另一款产品呢？如果没有“引诱”阶段，我是不愿意冒巨大的转移产品的风险的。 想一下，如果salesforce.com让你免费录入100个联系方式，然后对第101个联系方式收费，你会上钩吗？因为既然你试用了前100个，觉得不错，那就你不会离开了。 对于软件产品，多一个用户的边际成本为0，而互联网可以让你迅速抵达数亿计的网民，所以，软件产品天生合适使用Freemium模式。如果倒回没有互联网之前，想这么做都难。 如下是一些简单的经验或者结论： 免费不是一个商业模式，是一个市场推广和分销技巧。 免费不是一个制造劣质产品的理由。实际上，免费是逼迫你制造优质产品的原因。否则，你永远赚不到钱。 免费会立刻扩展你的市场和用户群，所以必须提前准备好。并且计算好，如果仅有一小群用户付费，你是否能活下来。 只有当你知道有哪些人会付费，并且付多少时，Freemium才有效。 Freemium的好客户是那些大企业，它们一般都有特殊的需求，比如更高的安全机制，更多的使用者，更好的管理界面。 免费是一个优势，可以向这么多用户学习。 最后，这是个变化中的过程。保持创新力，不断调整吧。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 本博客作者是Aaron Levie，Box.net 的创始人和CEO。随着Chris Anderson的新书《免费时代》的发行，行业内都基本认定：对媒体内容和2C产品免费是大势所趋。对企业级（2B）产品则要实行“Freemium” 形式，即Free（免费）+Premium（收费）。其具体定义是： 把你的服务免费提供出去，可以有广告也可以没有广告，无所谓。在免费基础上，借着口碑/人际网络/搜索这些渠道吸引到大量用户。然后提供更高级的有附加价值的服务给高级用户，对这些功能收费。 今天，已经有很多Freemium模式的实例。比如37Signals/PBworks/GoogleApps这样的商业服务，比如Mysql /SugarCRM这样的开源服务。但是，这些公司或者服务还没有做成一个很大的市场规模。Mysql在被并购前只有5000万美金的收入，其它 Freemium模式的公司只有几百万左右的收入。 Mark Cuban指出：你依靠免费产品而活，也会因为免费产品而死。尤其是当你的收入来源仅仅是靠PV带来的广告或者VC的热钱。当你的产品的独特性失去时，你的用户也走了。收入和资本也就走了。 单纯的免费是不可能构建一个商业模式的，而Freemium有前途。Freemium为什么能够在有大量小企业的竞争格局里占据大份额的市场？第 一，Freemium能够争取到大量的免费用户，然后从各种类型的用户身上得到反馈。第二，把那些免费用户过度到收费用户的成本是相对低的，可能性更大， 因为他们已经在用你的产品。而如果在他没有长期试用产品的情况下，一开始就劝说他们掏钱的难度是很大的。 GoogleApps就是这样一个实例。作为个人，你能免费用Gmail和Calendar这些服务，但如果要成为企业级用户，就需要付钱。与 其花费大量的广告和推广预算去教育市场和培养用户，倒不如吸引免费用户并且建立一个社区，自然就会有一些忠诚用户成为“传道者”，孜孜不倦的提供建议并且 拉来新用户。这也会避免竞争者以低价进入市场抢走用户。 Freemium给用户一个很大的优惠，就是如果他不喜欢，扭头就走。这就促使厂商去不断改进产品，而不是去漫无目的的砸广告做推广，或者跟采购经理拉关系，磨时间。这意味着，你必须逼迫自己去做最好的产品，否则，这些免费用户很快就走了。 对于那些转移成本很高的产品，Freemium模式也可行。如果我在使用另一款产品，为什么不让我先免费试用你的产品，等待我上瘾后再劝我放弃另一款产品呢？如果没有“引诱”阶段，我是不愿意冒巨大的转移产品的风险的。 想一下，如果salesforce.com让你免费录入100个联系方式，然后对第101个联系方式收费，你会上钩吗？因为既然你试用了前100个，觉得不错，那就你不会离开了。 对于软件产品，多一个用户的边际成本为0，而互联网可以让你迅速抵达数亿计的网民，所以，软件产品天生合适使用Freemium模式。如果倒回没有互联网之前，想这么做都难。 如下是一些简单的经验或者结论： 免费不是一个商业模式，是一个市场推广和分销技巧。 免费不是一个制造劣质产品的理由。实际上，免费是逼迫你制造优质产品的原因。否则，你永远赚不到钱。 免费会立刻扩展你的市场和用户群，所以必须提前准备好。并且计算好，如果仅有一小群用户付费，你是否能活下来。 只有当你知道有哪些人会付费，并且付多少时，Freemium才有效。 Freemium的好客户是那些大企业，它们一般都有特殊的需求，比如更高的安全机制，更多的使用者，更好的管理界面。 免费是一个优势，可以向这么多用户学习。 最后，这是个变化中的过程。保持创新力，不断调整吧。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Monday Morning Head-Start from OMS SafeHarbor [Software Business Links] &#171; OMS SafeHarbor</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/12/guest-post-is-free-the-future-of-enterprise-software-yes-and-no/comment-page-2/#comment-2867482</link>
		<dc:creator>Monday Morning Head-Start from OMS SafeHarbor [Software Business Links] &#171; OMS SafeHarbor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1. Can enterprise software be free? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cool articles – SEO, blogging, internet marketing(july13-july19 2009) &#171; Stefanm, my link collection</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/12/guest-post-is-free-the-future-of-enterprise-software-yes-and-no/comment-page-2/#comment-2867166</link>
		<dc:creator>Cool articles – SEO, blogging, internet marketing(july13-july19 2009) &#171; Stefanm, my link collection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is Free The Future Of Enterprise Software? Yes And No. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Links for July 19 2009 &#124; Eric D. Brown - Technology, Strategy, People &#38; Projects</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links for July 19 2009 &#124; Eric D. Brown - Technology, Strategy, People &#38; Projects</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is Free The Future Of Enterprise Software? Yes And No. by Aaron Levie on TechCrunch [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gratis no es una estrategia de negocios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gratis no es una estrategia de negocios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Backs Chris Anderson’s Theory of ‘Free’ y en TechCrunch Aaron Levie, de Box.net escribe Is Free The Future Of Enterprise Software? Yes And No., donde podemos encontrar una de las mejores reflexiones sobre el tema: Free is not a business [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Backs Chris Anderson’s Theory of ‘Free’ y en TechCrunch Aaron Levie, de Box.net escribe Is Free The Future Of Enterprise Software? Yes And No., donde podemos encontrar una de las mejores reflexiones sobre el tema: Free is not a business [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Oleg Kokorin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oleg Kokorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Input from the users won&#039;t make the product better unless time/money/sweat is put into it. No Web X.0 is going to change that ever.

2. Web 2.0 is too ambiguous to use it in an argument. Established players will steal and implement your ideas (no patent protection), and offer them for free. No matter niche or not - they may think otherwise. Congratulations, you just got your market napalm burnt. Welcome to try make a living here.

3. Not exactly the &quot;entry&quot; barrier, but since Facebook spends hundreds of millions $ annually to host all that &quot;2.0&quot; content - it is a serious problem for anyone small to do anything similar.

AppStore point is completely off, because there are even more crappy free iPhone apps than paid ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Input from the users won&#8217;t make the product better unless time/money/sweat is put into it. No Web X.0 is going to change that ever.</p>
<p>2. Web 2.0 is too ambiguous to use it in an argument. Established players will steal and implement your ideas (no patent protection), and offer them for free. No matter niche or not &#8211; they may think otherwise. Congratulations, you just got your market napalm burnt. Welcome to try make a living here.</p>
<p>3. Not exactly the &#8220;entry&#8221; barrier, but since Facebook spends hundreds of millions $ annually to host all that &#8220;2.0&#8243; content &#8211; it is a serious problem for anyone small to do anything similar.</p>
<p>AppStore point is completely off, because there are even more crappy free iPhone apps than paid ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Barak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think free is the future of the Internet. It&#039;s just a matter of cutting down expenses and finding other ways to make money.

That&#039;s what I did on http://www.findajobalready.com.

Barak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think free is the future of the Internet. It&#8217;s just a matter of cutting down expenses and finding other ways to make money.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I did on <a href="http://www.findajobalready.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.findajobalready.com'>http://www.findajobalready.com</a>.</p>
<p>Barak</p>
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		<title>By: The FindAJobAlready Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/12/guest-post-is-free-the-future-of-enterprise-software-yes-and-no/comment-page-2/#comment-2855457</link>
		<dc:creator>The FindAJobAlready Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The End of the Big Bloated and Expensive Job Boards...&lt;/strong&gt;

The real reason that I created FindAJobAlready.com is to be a real alternative to the big bloated and expensive job boards.  When people ask me, &#8220;how come it took you a year and a half to build the site?&#8221;, my answer is because this is a re...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The End of the Big Bloated and Expensive Job Boards&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The real reason that I created FindAJobAlready.com is to be a real alternative to the big bloated and expensive job boards.  When people ask me, &#8220;how come it took you a year and a half to build the site?&#8221;, my answer is because this is a re&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Perramond</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/12/guest-post-is-free-the-future-of-enterprise-software-yes-and-no/comment-page-2/#comment-2855128</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Perramond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the best posts and comment threads I&#039;ve read on TC in quite some time.  There&#039;s clearly some religious fervor on both sides of the freemium debate.  It&#039;s just nice to see the debate edging into the enterprise space more and more.

Like Patrick, I live and breath this stuff.  And until recently the it&#039;s been kind of lonely here in the B2B space... i.e. not a whole lot of peers/reference points for successfully freemium products in the enterprise.  But that&#039;s changing quickly and there are more &amp; more examples out there (e.g. check out GoToMyPC&#039;s recent S1 filing to look at what your freemium business might look like &quot;at scale&quot;).

There are a couple of things that we set out to accomplish with our freemium strategy that are worth mentioning...

1. Cost-effective brand awareness &amp; trust

Every day we reach tens of thousands of users in our target segment, absolutely free.  We don&#039;t pay per impression or per click -- our brand is there for everyone to see without spending a cent on banner ads, Google AdWords, etc.  More importantly our free product provides actual value to end users -- so we&#039;re actually building product adoption (the bane of many an enterprise app) and a real sense of trust before they ever purchase anything from us.  All of this without having to be &quot;sold&quot; on a value prop, differentiation, etc. 

2. Incremental revenue from the small end of SMB (1-3 users) 

Our freemium strategy also allows us to capture incremental revenue in the small biz segment without being overwhelmed by tire-kickers.  Freemium embraces tire-kicking as a free product effectively allows us to wait for people to raise their hands and purchase via self-service (e-commerce) or engage with a sales rep for larger opportunities.  But only after having adopted the product and made an initial cost/value evaluation for themselves (based on use of the product, not just a data sheet, whitepaper, or case study.)

Despite being pro-freemium, the nay-sayers on this thread (along with Aaron himself) bring up some valid points for us to keep in mind.  Freemium won&#039;t work for every market segment and product category.  Our CEO posted on the topic yesterday.  He spells out two critical requirements for a successful freemium strategy -- scale and conversion.

http://blog.insideview.com/2009/07/13/can-enterprise-freemium-work-for-everyone/


And for those of you offering a freemium product in the enterprise space, I&#039;d love to compare notes sometime and hear what &amp; who are your go-to resources.  I follow Andrew Chen, Chris Anderson, and Fred Wilson on the topic but I&#039;m always looking for new perspectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best posts and comment threads I&#8217;ve read on TC in quite some time.  There&#8217;s clearly some religious fervor on both sides of the freemium debate.  It&#8217;s just nice to see the debate edging into the enterprise space more and more.</p>
<p>Like Patrick, I live and breath this stuff.  And until recently the it&#8217;s been kind of lonely here in the B2B space&#8230; i.e. not a whole lot of peers/reference points for successfully freemium products in the enterprise.  But that&#8217;s changing quickly and there are more &amp; more examples out there (e.g. check out GoToMyPC&#8217;s recent S1 filing to look at what your freemium business might look like &#8220;at scale&#8221;).</p>
<p>There are a couple of things that we set out to accomplish with our freemium strategy that are worth mentioning&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Cost-effective brand awareness &amp; trust</p>
<p>Every day we reach tens of thousands of users in our target segment, absolutely free.  We don&#8217;t pay per impression or per click &#8212; our brand is there for everyone to see without spending a cent on banner ads, Google AdWords, etc.  More importantly our free product provides actual value to end users &#8212; so we&#8217;re actually building product adoption (the bane of many an enterprise app) and a real sense of trust before they ever purchase anything from us.  All of this without having to be &#8220;sold&#8221; on a value prop, differentiation, etc. </p>
<p>2. Incremental revenue from the small end of SMB (1-3 users) </p>
<p>Our freemium strategy also allows us to capture incremental revenue in the small biz segment without being overwhelmed by tire-kickers.  Freemium embraces tire-kicking as a free product effectively allows us to wait for people to raise their hands and purchase via self-service (e-commerce) or engage with a sales rep for larger opportunities.  But only after having adopted the product and made an initial cost/value evaluation for themselves (based on use of the product, not just a data sheet, whitepaper, or case study.)</p>
<p>Despite being pro-freemium, the nay-sayers on this thread (along with Aaron himself) bring up some valid points for us to keep in mind.  Freemium won&#8217;t work for every market segment and product category.  Our CEO posted on the topic yesterday.  He spells out two critical requirements for a successful freemium strategy &#8212; scale and conversion.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.insideview.com/2009/07/13/can-enterprise-freemium-work-for-everyone/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://blog.insideview.com/2009/07/13/can-enterprise-freemium-work-for-everyone/'>http://blog.ins...k-for-everyone/</a></p>
<p>And for those of you offering a freemium product in the enterprise space, I&#8217;d love to compare notes sometime and hear what &amp; who are your go-to resources.  I follow Andrew Chen, Chris Anderson, and Fred Wilson on the topic but I&#8217;m always looking for new perspectives.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregman2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, some great points. Isn&#039;t &quot;freemium&quot; a piece of what the cloud is all about, currently driven by Google and Salesforce? I appreciate that these have more to do with base platforms to develop apps on, but given the complexities of enterprise apps, how far off do you think &quot;freemium&quot; really is? (I mean, even Linux, as a tool box of drivers, aims at being license-free, but consider that most enterprises have multiple operating systems and apps).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, some great points. Isn&#8217;t &#8220;freemium&#8221; a piece of what the cloud is all about, currently driven by Google and Salesforce? I appreciate that these have more to do with base platforms to develop apps on, but given the complexities of enterprise apps, how far off do you think &#8220;freemium&#8221; really is? (I mean, even Linux, as a tool box of drivers, aims at being license-free, but consider that most enterprises have multiple operating systems and apps).</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One would assume that FREE is the future of the internet, as everyone is virtually running WordPress, PhPNuke, PhpBB, VBulletin, Pligg and so many other free brands on their dedicated servers, and have successful sites with high incoming organic search engine traffic :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One would assume that FREE is the future of the internet, as everyone is virtually running WordPress, PhPNuke, PhpBB, VBulletin, Pligg and so many other free brands on their dedicated servers, and have successful sites with high incoming organic search engine traffic <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Box looks quite interesting, and hope they help business by promoting their existence further to the online masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Box looks quite interesting, and hope they help business by promoting their existence further to the online masses.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Flow &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for July 14th - The zeitgeist daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shankar Saikia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shankar Saikia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ENTERPRISE APPS SOFTWARE: BIG VERSUS SMALL, &amp; SALESPEOPLE

Great post and a nice variety of differing comments! I want to add a perspective that is missing: within enterprise apps there exist 2 types: (1) big apps like financials, manufacturing with the need for integration between related modules (inventory linked to work-in-porcess linked to bills of material etc.) and (2) small apps with fewer capabilities and limited integration requirements. For the big apps freemium examples are Zoho and Freshbooks. For the small apps, Google gmail is an example.

One huge advantage of freemium (which a few have already commented on) is that it is a form of &quot;free pre-sales&quot; since the customer gets to try the product instead of having the vendor do the pre-sales, demos etc. It reduces the costs for both vendor and buyer. Another advantage of freemium is that it provides free &quot;product feedback&quot;.

There is always going to be a need for good salespeople, especially in enterprise accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ENTERPRISE APPS SOFTWARE: BIG VERSUS SMALL, &amp; SALESPEOPLE</p>
<p>Great post and a nice variety of differing comments! I want to add a perspective that is missing: within enterprise apps there exist 2 types: (1) big apps like financials, manufacturing with the need for integration between related modules (inventory linked to work-in-porcess linked to bills of material etc.) and (2) small apps with fewer capabilities and limited integration requirements. For the big apps freemium examples are Zoho and Freshbooks. For the small apps, Google gmail is an example.</p>
<p>One huge advantage of freemium (which a few have already commented on) is that it is a form of &#8220;free pre-sales&#8221; since the customer gets to try the product instead of having the vendor do the pre-sales, demos etc. It reduces the costs for both vendor and buyer. Another advantage of freemium is that it provides free &#8220;product feedback&#8221;.</p>
<p>There is always going to be a need for good salespeople, especially in enterprise accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: UncleMatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>UncleMatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  The current generation leverages the input from its users (open source) to satisfy its users.  That point seems to be lost on the older generation.

2.  There is an inverse relationship between price and adoption.  You&#039;ve made a false assumption regarding free and mass appeal.  Web 2.0 is all about niche, not mass.  It&#039;s when the niche is uber popular that it becomes mass.  Exception, not rule.  And if your software project is free (or as close to it as possible), how can the &#039;established players&#039; compete?  They can&#039;t.

3.  I&#039;m not sure how Facebook has a hardware barrier to entry, but OK.  And if you want to see a case of paid-fail, look no further than the App Store.  Thousands of 99-cent apps that are losing money for their developers.  Primarily because of saturation/redundancy.  If they coalesced instead around one good app, it would be better for all of us.  That&#039;s what open source does, and does well!

The result of encouraging paid software is iFart apps as far as the eye can see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  The current generation leverages the input from its users (open source) to satisfy its users.  That point seems to be lost on the older generation.</p>
<p>2.  There is an inverse relationship between price and adoption.  You&#8217;ve made a false assumption regarding free and mass appeal.  Web 2.0 is all about niche, not mass.  It&#8217;s when the niche is uber popular that it becomes mass.  Exception, not rule.  And if your software project is free (or as close to it as possible), how can the &#8216;established players&#8217; compete?  They can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>3.  I&#8217;m not sure how Facebook has a hardware barrier to entry, but OK.  And if you want to see a case of paid-fail, look no further than the App Store.  Thousands of 99-cent apps that are losing money for their developers.  Primarily because of saturation/redundancy.  If they coalesced instead around one good app, it would be better for all of us.  That&#8217;s what open source does, and does well!</p>
<p>The result of encouraging paid software is iFart apps as far as the eye can see.</p>
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		<title>By: UncleMatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>UncleMatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone is claiming that users find no value in their product... because it&#039;s free... they&#039;re claiming &#039;free&#039; as the barrier to entry.  Yes, it&#039;s rediculous, that was the point.

But flip answers aside... I won&#039;t argue that quip... if we just had some beer, this would be a great conversation.

I think your point about conversion rate is missing a bigger picture; and, I will have to defer to my wife&#039;s argument to explain.  She works in web analytics.  Every day she gets asked if this or that has raised conversion rate on a website.  And every day she asks the same question back:  what does conversion rate have to do with anything?

Conversion rate means nothing.  As a matter of fact, a drop in conversion rate can be a wonderful thing... it means you&#039;ve driven more traffic to your site.  Not everyone buys.

My point, and maybe that of the author, is: would you rather have a conversion rate of 100% with 500 users... or a conversion rate of 1% with 50,000 users?

The law of diminishing returns mandates that you&#039;ll hit a brick wall sooner or later (pay model).  Better to keep the rest of the users around regardless (free model).  Pure economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone is claiming that users find no value in their product&#8230; because it&#8217;s free&#8230; they&#8217;re claiming &#8216;free&#8217; as the barrier to entry.  Yes, it&#8217;s rediculous, that was the point.</p>
<p>But flip answers aside&#8230; I won&#8217;t argue that quip&#8230; if we just had some beer, this would be a great conversation.</p>
<p>I think your point about conversion rate is missing a bigger picture; and, I will have to defer to my wife&#8217;s argument to explain.  She works in web analytics.  Every day she gets asked if this or that has raised conversion rate on a website.  And every day she asks the same question back:  what does conversion rate have to do with anything?</p>
<p>Conversion rate means nothing.  As a matter of fact, a drop in conversion rate can be a wonderful thing&#8230; it means you&#8217;ve driven more traffic to your site.  Not everyone buys.</p>
<p>My point, and maybe that of the author, is: would you rather have a conversion rate of 100% with 500 users&#8230; or a conversion rate of 1% with 50,000 users?</p>
<p>The law of diminishing returns mandates that you&#8217;ll hit a brick wall sooner or later (pay model).  Better to keep the rest of the users around regardless (free model).  Pure economics.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sovern Funz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sovern Funz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it ws better when the corporations were doing the R&amp;D investment, not the VCs.  It&#039;s a lot harder for a business unit to hide their errors.  The VCs simply say it was someone else&#039;s fault, never their own stupid investment idea in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it ws better when the corporations were doing the R&amp;D investment, not the VCs.  It&#8217;s a lot harder for a business unit to hide their errors.  The VCs simply say it was someone else&#8217;s fault, never their own stupid investment idea in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughtful Post, thanks Aaron.  As a guy who lives and breaths this stuff everyday, its good to see the debate unfold.  Like you have done, I think the answer is to test and refine your primary offers (trial, free, Credit card required, etc) to understand your target audience and their appetite for your service.  There is a delicate balance you have with your traffic and audience -- and it is our job as marketers in this new era to work with your customers to grow your business while providing value to the greatest audience possible.

@patrickmoran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful Post, thanks Aaron.  As a guy who lives and breaths this stuff everyday, its good to see the debate unfold.  Like you have done, I think the answer is to test and refine your primary offers (trial, free, Credit card required, etc) to understand your target audience and their appetite for your service.  There is a delicate balance you have with your traffic and audience &#8212; and it is our job as marketers in this new era to work with your customers to grow your business while providing value to the greatest audience possible.</p>
<p>@patrickmoran</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Scruggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Scruggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree completely. We at SurveyGizmo have found freemium to work pretty much exactly as you describe. We didn&#039;t raise venture capital and have grown like a weed straight through the downturn. ROI is very provable, and we compete with a ton of other providers using the same model (in other words we&#039;re not just unsustainably poaching customers by being free).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree completely. We at SurveyGizmo have found freemium to work pretty much exactly as you describe. We didn&#8217;t raise venture capital and have grown like a weed straight through the downturn. ROI is very provable, and we compete with a ton of other providers using the same model (in other words we&#8217;re not just unsustainably poaching customers by being free).</p>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, competition is the hallmark of capitalism.  McDonalds has Burger King and Sonic to compete against.  You win with the basics of business - quality, advertising, political bribery-lobbying.  You play the game for 5+ years, get the sales and cash out before the competition beats you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, competition is the hallmark of capitalism.  McDonalds has Burger King and Sonic to compete against.  You win with the basics of business &#8211; quality, advertising, political bribery-lobbying.  You play the game for 5+ years, get the sales and cash out before the competition beats you!</p>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are we all going to be unemployed?</description>
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