Comments on: Live Web, Real Time . . . Call It What You Will, It’s Gonna Take A While To Get It

By: Real Time Links < tech.thehour.com

Real Time Links < tech.thehour.com — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:35:05 +0000

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The Year 2000: Past and Future @ creating the sparcq — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:09:11 +0000

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By: עורך דין פלילי

עורך דין פלילי — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:39:38 +0000

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By: مركز تحميل

مركز تحميل — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:30:45 +0000

In large scale online systems like Search, eCommerce, or social network applications, user queries represent an important dimension of activities that can be used to study the impact on the system, and even the business.

By: منتديات

منتديات — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:26:44 +0000

I’d suggest in the future edit your articles down by a factor of 2. Perhaps they would be clearer.

By: gangqiu

gangqiu — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:49:24 +0000

good article.

By: I eat my hat. A well written, non-hyped,… « Paul M. Watson

I eat my hat. A well written, non-hyped,… « Paul M. Watson — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:07:10 +0000

[...] 8:07 pm on July 28, 2009 Permalink | Reply Tags: web (535) I eat my hat. A well written, non-hyped, fact based article on TechCrunch. It highlights why the simply building a Real Time Web is not going to revolutionise the web. We [...]

By: pc technician

pc technician — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:15:42 +0000

great stuff!

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Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:45:19 +0000

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By: Web and Tech Links: 3 July 2009

Web and Tech Links: 3 July 2009 — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:15:45 +0000

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By: Live Web, Real Time . . . » Techkaran.com

Live Web, Real Time . . . » Techkaran.com — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:35:37 +0000

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By: Ted Szukalski

Ted Szukalski — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:48:19 +0000

Not sure if you have seen Google Wave – this to me looks like the “live web” but it will take some time to adopt it to many blogs, like WordPress. I’m sure the plugin community will amaze us.

By: Live Web — Matt Mullenweg

Live Web — Matt Mullenweg — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:04:08 +0000

[...] Live Web, Real Time . . . Call It What You Will, It’s Gonna Take A While To Get It. Excellent article by Mary Hodder. ¶ [...]

By: Knowtu » links for 2009-07-01

Knowtu » links for 2009-07-01 — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:03:22 +0000

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By: cicero speaks

cicero speaks — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:01:30 +0000

I think Yauba and Oneriot are the most innovative of the new real time searches, as they are adding a layer of intelligence and semantic analysis on top of the results.

As for the others, my guess is that the best they can hope for is to be bought out by a larger player.

By: Matt

Matt — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:27:49 +0000

The question I extract from all of this is exactly what problem would real time search be solving? I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that this real time “live” search will help to fill some kind of enormous void that we currently have in computing. It seems to me that everyone is seeking a solution to a problem that hasn’t quite been defined yet?

By: Ujjwal Gupta

Ujjwal Gupta — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:23:21 +0000

I agree with you. Essentially, a combination of dynamic analytics with filters (manual, automated) is real-time search. Now making it computationally fast enough is an algorithmic problem, hopefully, will be solved soon.

By: Ujjwal Gupta

Ujjwal Gupta — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:19:21 +0000

So, you don’t know what real time search is either. Just using big words is not going to make us believe that its BIG and IMPORTANT.

By: Faisal Saud

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:03:36 +0000

Interesting thoughts..

I think we need to go the basics..

When search started late 19th , many companies where tuning their crawlers and trying to extract/provide better snippets alongside the results, etc ..Google came in and did what was considered crazy and stupid.. they simply stored complete version of any page they index , even though it was very expensive and .. expensive.. but it did simply provide better user experience and they won .. every one followed them afterward.

Some one has to do another crazy/expensive move now (Was expecting Microsoft) by running unlimited simultaneous crawlers to index the 50 million public sites out there. (I know its not easy but massive computing power and bandwidth will just do it).

Or..

The other and long approach (while talking about 10 years), some one has to develop and market/push tools that can be installed on “Web Servers” to Ping-Back the crawlers and update them when there is new data.

I know non of the solutions above is easy , and I’m quite sure many has though or even tried them , but if some has the he well , money , and craziness , it may work and I’m positive its worth it.

Cheers

By: links for 2009-07-01 | Yostivanich.com

links for 2009-07-01 | Yostivanich.com — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:53:39 +0000

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By: trendpreneur » Real-time search, noisiness and influence

trendpreneur » Real-time search, noisiness and influence — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:13:53 +0000

[...] a really fascinating post over at TechCrunch today by Mary Hodder, someone who’s been working in ‘live search’ – what we now [...]

By: Barrett

Barrett — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:11:04 +0000

Good point. Its not really about search at all. Its more about filtering when it comes to “real time”.

By: Falafulu Fisi

Falafulu Fisi — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:28:09 +0000

Mark, I get my real-time news from radio. I have a portable head-phone radio that I listen to, while working on my laptop or my desktop machine. I don’t waste my time searching for live news on the internet. I do search for old archived news on internet but not live news.

By: Falafulu Fisi

Falafulu Fisi — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:21:52 +0000

The search is live. What is not live is the Google link-structure adjacency matrix computation. This cannot be live as it is physically impossible to do it live. This computation takes time (it is not instant) and by the time it is completed, there is already millions of new documents appeared on the internet perhaps in every milliseconds, so the matrix computation starts again, because the whole dataset has to be used again, unless Google is using an online version of PageRank that only updates the recently arrived documents and not re-do the computation from the beginning again. Note that why Twitter seems real-time is because they don't do this types of heavy computations that Google is doing (I am confident that they don't).

By: Falafulu Fisi

Falafulu Fisi — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:05:59 +0000

Here is a reference to John Kleinberg's paper, that I cited in my previous message: Scalable and near real-time burst detection from eCommerce queries