Comments on: Can Open Government Be Gamed? http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:38:04 -0800 hourly 1 By: Referências sobre Gov 2.0 « Tentando ser 2.0 http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2995743 Referências sobre Gov 2.0 « Tentando ser 2.0 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:23:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2995743 [...] http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/ Este artigo mostra várias iniciativas de Gov 2.0 do governo americano em busca de uma maior [...] [...] http://www.tech...nment-be-gamed/ Este artigo mostra várias iniciativas de Gov 2.0 do governo americano em busca de uma maior [...]

]]> By: مركز تحميل http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2965426 مركز تحميل Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:49:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2965426 Ok, they are over the drain now. But have they started to circle? Ok, they are over the drain now. But have they started to circle?

]]> By: منتديات http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2965413 منتديات Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:44:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2965413 i agree that openness will create its own set of problems but opennes is the way to go… now we are focusing on federal but i think there is a long way to go before the government puts up the kind of information that is usable for people to derive serious use out of it. i agree that openness will create its own set of problems but opennes is the way to go… now we are focusing on federal but i think there is a long way to go before the government puts up the kind of information that is usable for people to derive serious use out of it.

]]> By: José A. Fernández http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2835196 José A. Fernández Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:03:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2835196 Interesting and necessary article !! Congratulations joseafernandez Interesting and necessary article !!
Congratulations

joseafernandez

]]> By: Can Open Government Be Gamed? (Erick Schonfeld/TechCrunch) | Barack Obama News http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2832988 Can Open Government Be Gamed? (Erick Schonfeld/TechCrunch) | Barack Obama News Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:00:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2832988 [...] Schonfeld / TechCrunch:Can Open Government Be Gamed?  —  If information is power, the first step to gaining power is to get the right [...] [...] Schonfeld / TechCrunch:Can Open Government Be Gamed?  —  If information is power, the first step to gaining power is to get the right [...]

]]> By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="2602130">Peter Corbett</fb:name> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2832875 Peter Corbett Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:07:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2832875 I have to say I disagree that people won't use open government data in useful ways. We learned through running Apps for Democracy ( http://www.appsfordemocrayc.org ) that developers in the DC area had some really great ideas for how to put government data to use. NYC has also just announced an Apps for Democracy style contest (so has Finland and Belgium) call Big Apps and are looking for feedback into the kinds of data and apps should be included. You can submit those ideas here: http://bit.ly/bigideas I have to say I disagree that people won’t use open government data in useful ways. We learned through running Apps for Democracy ( http://www.apps...ordemocrayc.org ) that developers in the DC area had some really great ideas for how to put government data to use.

NYC has also just announced an Apps for Democracy style contest (so has Finland and Belgium) call Big Apps and are looking for feedback into the kinds of data and apps should be included. You can submit those ideas here:

http://bit.ly/bigideas

]]> By: Cate Long http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2831893 Cate Long Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:32:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2831893 Creating openess in the political process is a slow process... the government has operated in certain ways for a long time... I've been lobbying in Congress on the credit rating agency issue for several years and noticed that staff members didn't have a way to share information on complex topics and operated as if they were info silos. To help with the process of creating new regulations for the financial services industry I've been helping build an open source wiki covering the topics that will be legislated on... <a href="http://freerisk.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page" rel="nofollow"> It's called Riski...</a> When I was last in Congress I got excellent response from Congressional staff members about Riski... they mainly get their information from lobbyists (bank lobbyists in this case) and welcome a place to have more neutral, open type information. We are bound to make many mistakes with Riski... which is ok... we can make an effort to counterbalance the enormous influence of the vested interests in this debate... The making and upkeep of democracy is messy... but we can try as citizens to preserve and protect our right to have free and open institutions... Join us... Creating openess in the political process is a slow process… the government has operated in certain ways for a long time…

I’ve been lobbying in Congress on the credit rating agency issue for several years and noticed that staff members didn’t have a way to share information on complex topics and operated as if they were info silos.

To help with the process of creating new regulations for the financial services industry I’ve been helping build an open source wiki covering the topics that will be legislated on…

It’s called Riski…

When I was last in Congress I got excellent response from Congressional staff members about Riski… they mainly get their information from lobbyists (bank lobbyists in this case) and welcome a place to have more neutral, open type information.

We are bound to make many mistakes with Riski… which is ok… we can make an effort to counterbalance the enormous influence of the vested interests in this debate…

The making and upkeep of democracy is messy… but we can try as citizens to preserve and protect our right to have free and open institutions…

Join us…

]]> By: David Orban http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2831504 David Orban Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:06:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2831504 The Open Government Data Working Group, founded by Tim O'Reilly, Larry Lessig, and others, some time ago met to discuss and release the baisc principles of what does indeed constitute the openness of government data. It will be easy to compare the policies of Data.gov with these principles, and check if they match up, or not. http://www.opengovdata.org/ The Open Government Data Working Group, founded by Tim O’Reilly, Larry Lessig, and others, some time ago met to discuss and release the baisc principles of what does indeed constitute the openness of government data. It will be easy to compare the policies of Data.gov with these principles, and check if they match up, or not.
http://www.opengovdata.org/

]]> By: Gobierno 2.0 - Iniciativas de la Administración Obama | Mario Brüggemann http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2831197 Gobierno 2.0 - Iniciativas de la Administración Obama | Mario Brüggemann Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:03:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2831197 [...] links interesantes: http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/06/radical-transparency-federal-it-dashboard.html http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed No Comments, Comment or [...] [...] links interesantes: http://radar.or...-dashboard.html http://www.tech...rnment-be-gamed No Comments, Comment or [...]

]]> By: Andy Plesser: White House Signs Online Video Distribution Deal with California Start-up http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2831143 Andy Plesser: White House Signs Online Video Distribution Deal with California Start-up Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:20:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2831143 [...] interviewed David this afternoon at the Personal Democracy Forum. (Please see the transcript [...] [...] interviewed David this afternoon at the Personal Democracy Forum. (Please see the transcript [...]

]]> By: Andy Plesser: White House Signs Online Video Distribution Deal with California Start-up « Daily News http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2831080 Andy Plesser: White House Signs Online Video Distribution Deal with California Start-up « Daily News Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:43:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2831080 [...] interviewed David this afternoon at the Personal Democracy Forum. (Please see the transcript [...] [...] interviewed David this afternoon at the Personal Democracy Forum. (Please see the transcript [...]

]]> By: Andy Plesser: White House Signs Online Video Distribution Deal with California Start-up | Second Reagan Revolution http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2831030 Andy Plesser: White House Signs Online Video Distribution Deal with California Start-up | Second Reagan Revolution Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:38:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2831030 [...] interviewed David this afternoon at the Personal Democracy Forum. (Please see the transcript [...] [...] interviewed David this afternoon at the Personal Democracy Forum. (Please see the transcript [...]

]]> By: Tim http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830871 Tim Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:35:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830871 Meant to add: COBOL can read a "regular" file into a data area in memory and write an XML file from it. Meant to add: COBOL can read a “regular” file into a data area in memory and write an XML file from it.

]]> By: Tim http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830869 Tim Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:34:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830869 Just an FYI: modern versions of COBOL from IBM can read and write XML documents, so COBOL is no excuse for the data to remain locked up. Just an FYI: modern versions of COBOL from IBM can read and write XML documents, so COBOL is no excuse for the data to remain locked up.

]]> By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="508086948">Steve Ressler</fb:name> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830788 Steve Ressler Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:50:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830788 Open Government (sometimes called Gov 2.0) is still in its infancy. Is it perfect? No. Can it be gamed? Probably. But it is a start of a journey and we are learning about new ways to engage with citizens. Much like how companies like Craigslist, Ebay, and Facebook have evolved when dealing with spammers, gammers, etc - open government will evolve and learn and be adaptive. Open government is not the holy grail but a lot of good can comment out of it. Steve Ressler Founder, GovLoop.com Open Government (sometimes called Gov 2.0) is still in its infancy. Is it perfect? No. Can it be gamed? Probably. But it is a start of a journey and we are learning about new ways to engage with citizens. Much like how companies like Craigslist, Ebay, and Facebook have evolved when dealing with spammers, gammers, etc – open government will evolve and learn and be adaptive. Open government is not the holy grail but a lot of good can comment out of it.

Steve Ressler
Founder, GovLoop.com

]]> By: Badverbs … cousins to nouns gone bad « Grammar Police a.k.a. GrammarCops http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830711 Badverbs … cousins to nouns gone bad « Grammar Police a.k.a. GrammarCops Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:04:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830711 [...] (click here for the story) [...] [...] (click here for the story) [...]

]]> By: skwiecien wrzucił link na Flakera | flaker.pl http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830566 skwiecien wrzucił link na Flakera | flaker.pl Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:20:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830566 [...] przez stronę www przed chwilą wow mocne usaspending.gov kiedy PL do tego dorośnie? via techcrunch.com/...6/30/can-open-government-... wykup reklamę [...] [...] przez stronę www przed chwilą wow mocne usaspending.gov kiedy PL do tego dorośnie? via techcrunch.com/…6/30/can-open-government-… wykup reklamę [...]

]]> By: ali http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830397 ali Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:19:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830397 i agree that openness will create its own set of problems but opennes is the way to go... now we are focusing on federal but i think there is a long way to go before the government puts up the kind of information that is usable for people to derive serious use out of it. i agree that openness will create its own set of problems but opennes is the way to go… now we are focusing on federal but i think there is a long way to go before the government puts up the kind of information that is usable for people to derive serious use out of it.

]]> By: Mike http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830282 Mike Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:24:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830282 "a new site which launched today that tracks government spending with charts and lists ranking the largest government contractors" Sloppy, sloppy. This might be painful to acknowledge, as it was implemented by the Bush Administration but USAspending.gov (along with all the features you describe) was launched in 2007 - mandated by a law passed in 2006 sponsored by Senators Coburn and Obama. They "revealed" today a new feature to track IT spending and programs in greater detail across the Federal government. “a new site which launched today that tracks government spending with charts and lists ranking the largest government contractors”

Sloppy, sloppy.

This might be painful to acknowledge, as it was implemented by the Bush Administration but USAspending.gov (along with all the features you describe) was launched in 2007 – mandated by a law passed in 2006 sponsored by Senators Coburn and Obama.

They “revealed” today a new feature to track IT spending and programs in greater detail across the Federal government.

]]> By: Justin Thorp http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830262 Justin Thorp Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:13:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830262 "Is that going to change anything though?" I think that's the $10k question. USAspending.gov is great. They should be transparent about their analytics numbers and tell the world if anyone actually uses it after all the initial buzz wears off. “Is that going to change anything though?” I think that’s the $10k question. USAspending.gov is great. They should be transparent about their analytics numbers and tell the world if anyone actually uses it after all the initial buzz wears off.

]]> By: clayton http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830234 clayton Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:59:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830234 Great post. (Wow.... last time I looked at the feedburner it was only nearing 3k, now it's 3.32k... impressive!) Great post.

(Wow…. last time I looked at the feedburner it was only nearing 3k, now it’s 3.32k… impressive!)

]]> By: Erick Schonfeld http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830229 Erick Schonfeld Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:57:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830229 You can see the data yourself, which wasn't available before. Click on the links above. Is that going to change anything though? That's the question. You can see the data yourself, which wasn’t available before. Click on the links above. Is that going to change anything though? That’s the question.

]]> By: NZN http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830219 NZN Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:53:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830219 People need to begin demanding ownership of their citizenship ID and ID credentials. All that "Open Data" is your national treasure, why should non-citizens have access to it directly? Open data should be usable data. The data our government possesses is owned by "We the People"... and "We the People" need to reformat that ownership equation so that we are contrived as owners at birth. Your intellectual property, your health data, your school records, the context of your digital life... all of this and more should be owned by individuals at birth. You should own your citizenship. Today your citizenship owns you. Thus a government structure without accountability to its constituents that operates as if it were owned by the tools of its constituents... ie corporations. Before we the people can recursively give our treasures to this good union of men, we own it. People need to begin demanding ownership of their citizenship ID and ID credentials. All that “Open Data” is your national treasure, why should non-citizens have access to it directly?

Open data should be usable data. The data our government possesses is owned by “We the People”… and “We the People” need to reformat that ownership equation so that we are contrived as owners at birth.

Your intellectual property, your health data, your school records, the context of your digital life… all of this and more should be owned by individuals at birth. You should own your citizenship.

Today your citizenship owns you.

Thus a government structure without accountability to its constituents that operates as if it were owned by the tools of its constituents… ie corporations.

Before we the people can recursively give our treasures to this good union of men, we own it.

]]> By: Tim Lai http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830202 Tim Lai Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:44:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830202 David good point. But politicians are about nothing but gestures anyways; at least it won't create too much evil this time around. David good point. But politicians are about nothing but gestures anyways; at least it won’t create too much evil this time around.

]]> By: billyw http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/30/can-open-government-be-gamed/comment-page-1/#comment-2830182 billyw Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:31:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=78112#comment-2830182 I'm sure some shady individuals will try and sell this data even though it is freely available...like land/mortgage records, etc. I’m sure some shady individuals will try and sell this data even though it is freely available…like land/mortgage records, etc.

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