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		<title>By: Roy83</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: m3talsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>m3talsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He defined productivity at the start by how cheap a startup is now versus how expensive it was in the 90&#039;s (100k vs. 3m). You can easily take the cost of a product over a given time frame to calculate productivity gains. If you can create 30 projects for the price of one project 10 years ago, that&#039;s a productivity gain of 30 times. I don&#039;t care how you do the math per person or whatever that simple calculation shows immediate productivity gains.

By the way, my experience as a software engineer, and senior lead engineer at that, is there are normally 8 people involved in a single product from creation to launch and through marketing on the average. You take $100k divided by 8 people and you have a cost of $12,500 per person per product. Compare that to the $3m figure and and assume the same 8 people more (even though it was closer to 20-30: engineering was horribly bloated back then) and you have a cost of $375,000 per person per product. So you have a drop in costs of 30 times cheaper per person per product.

Now, since salaries are fairly flat over the time period, we can assume that it takes less time for each product to be made. Given that, we can assume the engineers are more productive. When you can fit 30 projects in the same time frame of 1 project before, you can claim that engineers are indeed far more productive than before.

The means of this productivity is also the engineers own doing. Open Source software is created by these same engineers to save time in future projects. So having engineers ensures you of more productivity gains through the nature of the engineers themselves. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He defined productivity at the start by how cheap a startup is now versus how expensive it was in the 90&#8217;s (100k vs. 3m). You can easily take the cost of a product over a given time frame to calculate productivity gains. If you can create 30 projects for the price of one project 10 years ago, that&#8217;s a productivity gain of 30 times. I don&#8217;t care how you do the math per person or whatever that simple calculation shows immediate productivity gains.</p>
<p>By the way, my experience as a software engineer, and senior lead engineer at that, is there are normally 8 people involved in a single product from creation to launch and through marketing on the average. You take $100k divided by 8 people and you have a cost of $12,500 per person per product. Compare that to the $3m figure and and assume the same 8 people more (even though it was closer to 20-30: engineering was horribly bloated back then) and you have a cost of $375,000 per person per product. So you have a drop in costs of 30 times cheaper per person per product.</p>
<p>Now, since salaries are fairly flat over the time period, we can assume that it takes less time for each product to be made. Given that, we can assume the engineers are more productive. When you can fit 30 projects in the same time frame of 1 project before, you can claim that engineers are indeed far more productive than before.</p>
<p>The means of this productivity is also the engineers own doing. Open Source software is created by these same engineers to save time in future projects. So having engineers ensures you of more productivity gains through the nature of the engineers themselves. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: m3talsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>m3talsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, you are both right and wrong here. There are many tools that have come along to help cover the communication gap, and a good vc or pm will use those tools effectively and let the engineers do what they do best: great engineers always bounce ideas off of other respected engineers, in order to make better coding practices to gain more respect in the eyes of the community.

Open Source engineers do this often. Corporate engineers - not so much.

The part you are right at is the 5 versus 50 engineering part. If you are expecting all 50 to be working on the same project. Quite simply, one project rarely ever has enough work to keep more than 6-8 engineers busy at the same time: I&#039;m including UI and backend in here - toss in qa or uat and you can get another 3-4 people on. You simply have too many bottle necks in the standard application to keep them all busy without someone going off on some tangent elsewhere. But if you took that 50 and made 6-8 projects or products with them .. Gold mine.

And that was the point of the article. Stock up on engineers and crank out a ton of product from the overflow. The more productive they become, the more products you can create at one time. It&#039;s a no brainer that if you can get more products out the door than your competitor, you will gain top of the mind awareness faster, more people will look to you for new products, and you win the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you are both right and wrong here. There are many tools that have come along to help cover the communication gap, and a good vc or pm will use those tools effectively and let the engineers do what they do best: great engineers always bounce ideas off of other respected engineers, in order to make better coding practices to gain more respect in the eyes of the community.</p>
<p>Open Source engineers do this often. Corporate engineers &#8211; not so much.</p>
<p>The part you are right at is the 5 versus 50 engineering part. If you are expecting all 50 to be working on the same project. Quite simply, one project rarely ever has enough work to keep more than 6-8 engineers busy at the same time: I&#8217;m including UI and backend in here &#8211; toss in qa or uat and you can get another 3-4 people on. You simply have too many bottle necks in the standard application to keep them all busy without someone going off on some tangent elsewhere. But if you took that 50 and made 6-8 projects or products with them .. Gold mine.</p>
<p>And that was the point of the article. Stock up on engineers and crank out a ton of product from the overflow. The more productive they become, the more products you can create at one time. It&#8217;s a no brainer that if you can get more products out the door than your competitor, you will gain top of the mind awareness faster, more people will look to you for new products, and you win the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Four short links: 26 June 2009 &#124; ★ Technology News &#124; Tech Crown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four short links: 26 June 2009 &#124; ★ Technology News &#124; Tech Crown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Engineers Are The Best Deal, So Stock Up On Them (TechCrunch) &#8212; Software engineers today are about 200-400% more productive than software engineers were 10 years ago because of open source software, better programming tools, common libraries, easier access to information, better education, and other factors. This means that one engineer today can do what 3-5 people did in 1999! (via Simon Willison) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Engineers Are The Best Deal, So Stock Up On Them (TechCrunch) &#8212; Software engineers today are about 200-400% more productive than software engineers were 10 years ago because of open source software, better programming tools, common libraries, easier access to information, better education, and other factors. This means that one engineer today can do what 3-5 people did in 1999! (via Simon Willison) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Four short links: 26 June 2009 &#124; ★ Technology News &#124; Tech Crown</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2829655</link>
		<dc:creator>Four short links: 26 June 2009 &#124; ★ Technology News &#124; Tech Crown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Engineers Are The Best Deal, So Stock Up On Them (TechCrunch) &#8212; Software engineers today are about 200-400% more productive than software engineers were 10 years ago because of open source software, better programming tools, common libraries, easier access to information, better education, and other factors. This means that one engineer today can do what 3-5 people did in 1999! (via Simon Willison) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Engineers Are The Best Deal, So Stock Up On Them (TechCrunch) &#8212; Software engineers today are about 200-400% more productive than software engineers were 10 years ago because of open source software, better programming tools, common libraries, easier access to information, better education, and other factors. This means that one engineer today can do what 3-5 people did in 1999! (via Simon Willison) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Flow &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for June 26th - The zeitgeist daily</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2822904</link>
		<dc:creator>Flow &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for June 26th - The zeitgeist daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Engineers Are The Best Deal - So Stock Up On Them &#8212; 9:35am via Google [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Engineers are the Best Deal &#171; DeGraaf Consulting</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2822626</link>
		<dc:creator>Engineers are the Best Deal &#171; DeGraaf Consulting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the department of Labor and Industry, the productivity has improved 30% since 1998.  See this article for more details.  It also goes on to indicate software developers are 200-400% more productive in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More engineers is great to get more features quickly to the market.

But what is missing most of the time is the &quot;glue&quot; to adapt to the customer needs:

- Professional services engineers
- Documentation
- Engineers meeting customers to gather needs
- Internal and customer training
- Etc ...

It&#039;s one thing to have a theoretically great software, it&#039;s another to have happy customers able to build on top of your software ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More engineers is great to get more features quickly to the market.</p>
<p>But what is missing most of the time is the &#8220;glue&#8221; to adapt to the customer needs:</p>
<p>- Professional services engineers<br />
- Documentation<br />
- Engineers meeting customers to gather needs<br />
- Internal and customer training<br />
- Etc &#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to have a theoretically great software, it&#8217;s another to have happy customers able to build on top of your software &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mmenchu</title>
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		<dc:creator>mmenchu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Point.</description>
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		<title>By: Knowtu &#187; links for 2009-06-24</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knowtu &#187; links for 2009-06-24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Engineers Are The Best Deal - So Stock Up On Them (tags: sturatups strategy) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2819651</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a software developer in my 20s, I have been noticing the growth in my own productivity over the past decade or so since I started programming. 

Languages such as Python and Ruby are built with programmer productivity in mind and they come with extensive libraries. I still remember the days when I used to bang my head against the wall trying to program in Win32 and MFC. Java swing and Qt provided some respite, but they had their own drawbacks. These days, the .Net stack, MS Visual studio and MS Expression make cooking up ultra-cool distributed apps with kickass GUIs a *breeze*. 

The corollary is that now is the best time to be in software development. The individual developer&#039;s productivity is so high that we can conceivably create valuable IP on our own, stuff that would have taken an entire development team just years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a software developer in my 20s, I have been noticing the growth in my own productivity over the past decade or so since I started programming. </p>
<p>Languages such as Python and Ruby are built with programmer productivity in mind and they come with extensive libraries. I still remember the days when I used to bang my head against the wall trying to program in Win32 and MFC. Java swing and Qt provided some respite, but they had their own drawbacks. These days, the .Net stack, MS Visual studio and MS Expression make cooking up ultra-cool distributed apps with kickass GUIs a *breeze*. </p>
<p>The corollary is that now is the best time to be in software development. The individual developer&#8217;s productivity is so high that we can conceivably create valuable IP on our own, stuff that would have taken an entire development team just years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Derekp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derekp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think i&#039;ve seen this somewhere before…but it&#039;s not bad at all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think i&#8217;ve seen this somewhere before…but it&#8217;s not bad at all</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="811315726">Larry Chiang</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2819353</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="811315726">Larry Chiang</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great stuff. I&#039;d like to read the Auren Hoffman follow-up post... Engineers becoming more sales oriented to sell what they coded. There&#039;s also great old stuff on Summation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great stuff. I&#8217;d like to read the Auren Hoffman follow-up post&#8230; Engineers becoming more sales oriented to sell what they coded. There&#8217;s also great old stuff on Summation</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2819319</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apologies, image removed. not sure why auren didn&#039;t ask.</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Jerry A. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Jerry A. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great insights. For example, the number of resources needed to execute testing is declining per unit of software (e.g., function points, classes, etc.). Based on similar research conducted over the last several years, there is an exponential decline in the human effort needed to conduct software testing, mostly driven by better automation tools, use of virtualization (cloud computing), and stronger development frameworks (e.g., people are coding less and using prebuilt widgets). 


Consistent with Hoffman’s observations, what took a test team of 35 people to do 10 years ago, only took 12-16 people 5 years ago, and takes 5-7 people now.  The net result is that quality assurance in software-based systems is becoming less people intensive. 


What is amazing, or counter intuitive, is that this declining trend is occurring in the presence of larger and more complex software systems. Systems are getting bigger (measures by lines of code) and more complex (by any measure, most notably interconnects) and tend to be more prone to errors (e.g., missing features, usability, improper coding, etc.). As such, more testing is often needed to ensure the systems operates according to specification.But it isn’t. Why?


What is implied in the research is that while complexity is going up, the capability of testing is driving down the need for people faster. This is something we have seen in other areas where software-based automation is used as well (consistency). In the end, it all makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great insights. For example, the number of resources needed to execute testing is declining per unit of software (e.g., function points, classes, etc.). Based on similar research conducted over the last several years, there is an exponential decline in the human effort needed to conduct software testing, mostly driven by better automation tools, use of virtualization (cloud computing), and stronger development frameworks (e.g., people are coding less and using prebuilt widgets). </p>
<p>Consistent with Hoffman’s observations, what took a test team of 35 people to do 10 years ago, only took 12-16 people 5 years ago, and takes 5-7 people now.  The net result is that quality assurance in software-based systems is becoming less people intensive. </p>
<p>What is amazing, or counter intuitive, is that this declining trend is occurring in the presence of larger and more complex software systems. Systems are getting bigger (measures by lines of code) and more complex (by any measure, most notably interconnects) and tend to be more prone to errors (e.g., missing features, usability, improper coding, etc.). As such, more testing is often needed to ensure the systems operates according to specification.But it isn’t. Why?</p>
<p>What is implied in the research is that while complexity is going up, the capability of testing is driving down the need for people faster. This is something we have seen in other areas where software-based automation is used as well (consistency). In the end, it all makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: C Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2819291</link>
		<dc:creator>C Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it possible that software engineering productivity is really an ebb and flow and not a steadily increasing value?  It doesn&#039;t seem like a stretch to say that Java, C#, et al. were originally a tremendous drain and even now much of what passes for productive work is really metawork.  I especially have a difficult time with the article&#039;s premise when quality is factored in.  Perhaps we are all really just Wallys gettin&#039; paid for fixing bugs of our own making?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it possible that software engineering productivity is really an ebb and flow and not a steadily increasing value?  It doesn&#8217;t seem like a stretch to say that Java, C#, et al. were originally a tremendous drain and even now much of what passes for productive work is really metawork.  I especially have a difficult time with the article&#8217;s premise when quality is factored in.  Perhaps we are all really just Wallys gettin&#8217; paid for fixing bugs of our own making?</p>
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		<title>By: Not buying</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not buying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again, that one poor fool is the one with the retarded goatee and the one wasting time on twitter.</description>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2819130</link>
		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not that engineering talent isn&#039;t critical, but these days for most consumer Internet startups the scarce resources aren&#039;t programmers, but rather strong analytically-minded UX and marketing people (and I say that as a geek &amp; former programmer).

it&#039;s not impossible to code a basic webform, however you may very well fail even with rockstar coders if user experience blows / user adoption sucks, and your acquisition is poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not that engineering talent isn&#8217;t critical, but these days for most consumer Internet startups the scarce resources aren&#8217;t programmers, but rather strong analytically-minded UX and marketing people (and I say that as a geek &amp; former programmer).</p>
<p>it&#8217;s not impossible to code a basic webform, however you may very well fail even with rockstar coders if user experience blows / user adoption sucks, and your acquisition is poor.</p>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2819120</link>
		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good idea. not possible for most CEOs tho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good idea. not possible for most CEOs tho.</p>
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		<title>By: 7p</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2818899</link>
		<dc:creator>7p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This industry shift from Waterfall to Agile / Scrum is also helping productivity: http://7thpixel.net/blog/2009/06/18/job-trend-analysis-of-scrum-agile/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This industry shift from Waterfall to Agile / Scrum is also helping productivity: <a href="http://7thpixel.net/blog/2009/06/18/job-trend-analysis-of-scrum-agile/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://7thpixel.net/blog/2009/06/18/job-trend-analysis-of-scrum-agile/'>http://7thpixel...of-scrum-agile/</a></p>
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		<title>By: William B Swift</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2818875</link>
		<dc:creator>William B Swift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those extreme statistics are averaged over everything involved with producing software, not just  the coding, but debugging, design, documenting, and testing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those extreme statistics are averaged over everything involved with producing software, not just  the coding, but debugging, design, documenting, and testing.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2818873</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you please post a link to both the USBLS report and to whatever source you have for the double claim about software engineers (200-400% more productive, and the reasons for it).  I believe the general &quot;30% over a decade&quot; value; I&#039;m highly sceptical of the 200-400% claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you please post a link to both the USBLS report and to whatever source you have for the double claim about software engineers (200-400% more productive, and the reasons for it).  I believe the general &#8220;30% over a decade&#8221; value; I&#8217;m highly sceptical of the 200-400% claim.</p>
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		<title>By: WildZBill</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2818869</link>
		<dc:creator>WildZBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to get the productivity gains suggested by the author, you have to have the right engineers, the right management, and the right goals for the company.
The best situation is for a creative person to recognize an opportunity that has become available. Something new and wonderful that can be built easily from existing modules.
The next step is having money thrown into the ring to hire the right engineers for the job. Not the same engineers that you always use. If you are going to start with 5 open-source modules, hire engineers that were instrumental in creating those modules. Pay them well and release them back into the wild when they are done.
Management would do well to cater to the rockstar engineers for that short time, feeding their belly and their ego as needed for the best performance. 

The truth is that very few management types are willing to deal with a crew of hyper-creative type engineers. It&#039;s too much risk. Managers get fired for taking risks. 
It&#039;s much safer for a manager to hire off-shore drudges at low cost, complain that their work is sub-standard, hand it over to some average local programmers for repair, and come out looking like a hero for &#039;saving&#039; the project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to get the productivity gains suggested by the author, you have to have the right engineers, the right management, and the right goals for the company.<br />
The best situation is for a creative person to recognize an opportunity that has become available. Something new and wonderful that can be built easily from existing modules.<br />
The next step is having money thrown into the ring to hire the right engineers for the job. Not the same engineers that you always use. If you are going to start with 5 open-source modules, hire engineers that were instrumental in creating those modules. Pay them well and release them back into the wild when they are done.<br />
Management would do well to cater to the rockstar engineers for that short time, feeding their belly and their ego as needed for the best performance. </p>
<p>The truth is that very few management types are willing to deal with a crew of hyper-creative type engineers. It&#8217;s too much risk. Managers get fired for taking risks.<br />
It&#8217;s much safer for a manager to hire off-shore drudges at low cost, complain that their work is sub-standard, hand it over to some average local programmers for repair, and come out looking like a hero for &#8217;saving&#8217; the project.</p>
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		<title>By: William B Swift</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2818863</link>
		<dc:creator>William B Swift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought he meant more engineers means more problems you can tackle.  And therefore more income down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought he meant more engineers means more problems you can tackle.  And therefore more income down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: WildZBill</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/23/engineers-are-the-best-deal-so-stock-up-on-them/comment-page-1/#comment-2818796</link>
		<dc:creator>WildZBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was always confused by that statistic. I have writen code in many different languages and always achieved 60 to 100 lines a day (not flawlessly, but well structured.)
One line every 2 hours? Can these people walk and talk at the same time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always confused by that statistic. I have writen code in many different languages and always achieved 60 to 100 lines a day (not flawlessly, but well structured.)<br />
One line every 2 hours? Can these people walk and talk at the same time?</p>
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