Bush Advisor: Twitter Founders Should Get Nobel Peace Prize
by MG Siegler on June 22, 2009

nobelOh my God, the haters of Twitter are going to love this.

Speaking to Fox News, Mark Pfeifle, a former Deputy National Security Advisor to George W. Bush, offered up this appraisal of the Iran situation:

“If there’s anybody that should possibly get a Nobel Peace Prize in the next time around, it should be the founders of Twitter who delayed the tuning up of their system in order for an amazing amount of tweets to be sent out in the last week or so.”

Let me just repeat the key phrase there: “If there’s anybody that should possibly get a Nobel Peace Prize in the next time around, it should be the founders of Twitter”

Now watch this clip over and over.

Just so we don’t get accused of entirely taking this out of context, below we’ll paste the full transcript (and full video) of what he said in the interview. But again, he did say “If there’s anybody that should possibly get a Nobel Peace Prize in the next time around, it should be the founders of Twitter”.

Twitter, for its part, says it is not a covert government agency, even though it did postpone maintenance to make sure it was up during the peak hours of Iranian protests.

Update: Here’s a tweet Pfeifle sent out recently as well (emphasis mine):

RT JBergsman,M. Pfeifle on FNC: Nobel Peace Prize for Twitter founders for #iranelection? Why not. @ev & @biz > deserving than Arafat.Carter

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Full transcript:

Bream: Let’s talk about the Administration’s so far. Has it been on point? What do we need to see next from the White House?

Pfeifle: They are walking a tightrope. That’s what they are doing. They do not want the U.S. or West to become the talking point for the Iranian regime, saying they are trying to do a coup by their public statements. What the reaction has been in the prayers yesterday by their supreme leader, he used it anyway and said the West is trying to do this. So, sometimes it doesn’t work. And you try and stay quiet and you try to stay mum or you say too much. The real winners in this and the people that have gotten the message out, even though the U.S. with some exceptions has been fairly quiet is Twitter, has been Facebook, Flickr, YouTube. It’s been all of those. If there’s anybody that should possibly get a Nobel Peace Prize in the next time around, it should be the founders of Twitter who delayed the tuning up of their system in order for an amazing amount of tweets to be sent out in the last week or so.

Bream: It’s been such a valuable source of information because, in the past the government there probably had a lot more control over the information disseminated inside the country and outside as well. So now that we have this additional information coming in, does it put the Administration in a different place as far as, you know, crediting some of this information – maybe not being able to credit all of it because it’s coming from unreliable sources?

Pfeifle: It’s difficult because it’s moving so quickly. We saw just on the 17th, 221,000 tweets sent about Iran, 3,000 videos were uploaded onto YouTube. It’s been really remarkable, you know, how the emerging media the social networking has taken over and has given a voice to a lot of people who have been silent.

Bream: And let’s talk about this escalating today as well, because the government had been cracking saying no more protests in Tehran. Mousavi will be responsible for whatever happens if these people are hurt or injured. They turned out anyway, thousands of them we know so far. Now he’s also amped things up so far by talking about being ready for martyrdom and also calling for a national strike if he is arrested. You know, this seems to be on a trajectory. What happens next there?

Pfeifle: It’s really hard to tell. If the country is shutdown by a strike or portions of it, it’s going to put the Iranian regime in a very difficult situation. Already they have massive problems with gas rationings for fairly wealthy country. Where they’ve been putting money into funding Hamas and Hezbollah and putting so much money into their nuclear program instead of into their people. All of this is quailing up. It’s hitting a point right now where the regime is going to have to make some drastic changes one way or the other. They’ve already said that they are going to count 10 percent of the vote. They are already making some concessions and the people’s voices are being heard.

Bream: Alright, so we know about the official response we’ve already talked about that so let’s talk about back channels. Obviously there’s a lot going on probably that we don’t know about. What kind of efforts can the Administration make off the radar in this situation?

Pfeifle: well, it’s difficult to get to the actual Iranian regime. They are very isolated. There’s some ways through the Swiss, there’s some ways through Ambassadorial channels that you can makes some entries to the Iranians but for the most part they’re not going to listen to the West, they are not going to listen to the U.S. They are going to listen to them more between press releases and public statements as President Obama has done, as the Secretary of State and others have done periodically last week.

Bream: Mark Pfeifle, we thank you so much for your insight on this and for sharing your Saturday with us as well.

Pfeifle: Thank you Shannon.

[thanks James]

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  • It’s a true statement though, it does make sense. While there are undoubtedly people who deserve it more they would be good candidates for it considering the public service they provide.

    • The Bush administration advisors are well known to be a bunch of morons.

    • No it isn’t a true statement. Wake up and smell the kahawa you narrow-minded Americans in love with social networking MNCs.

      THe majority of Iranians are simple peasants from the country, who supported Ahmedinijad.

      The protesters are all in Teheran, they are educated, westernised, and young. But they are not the majority.

      The Ayatollah was preserving the integrity of the country when he supported the majority of simple peasant folk, and told the yuppies to pipe down and wait their turn for another election.

      The covert influence of US values on a sovereign state, and the downright political actions of facebook in rushing a Farsi version to market, and twitter in re-scheduling their maintenance to a different timezone, are totally inappropriate and if, say, a British firm was doing this sort of thing in the middle of a US election, there would be hell to pay!

      When governments become weak and MNCs become stronger than them? I’ve seen those movies: 1984 and Rollerball, for example.

      A fndamental principle would have to be respecting the rights of sovereign states, don’t you think?

      • You’re an idiot.

        • Democracy means the most popular guy wins. The guy with the most votes.

          That means sometimes a Bad Guy wins.

          Do you get it, yet?

      • I agree and disagree. Twitter and Facebook did take a rather active stance in encouraging public to spread information, which may be construed as political intervention in the internal matters of a sovereign state.

        I don’t know the whole truth but I have heard the claims that Mousavi supporters constitute a minorty in urban areas earlier, and they do sound credible to me, given that in most developing democratic countries the poll outcomes are largely dictated by the more conservative rural masses instead of the “westernised” and “modernised” urban groups. And just because these groups have disproportionately higher access to technology and social media, gives an inaccurate representation of the people’s wishes.

        So yes, you may be right that the ayatollah was just trying to preserve the integrity of the country.

        Even in that case, the actions of Iranian government are condemnable, to say the least. It seems quite obvious from the reports that there has been a fraud in counting the ballots. If the government is so sure of the people’s verdict, it should go for re-elections and ensure a fair and impartial process. You cannot control a nation by choking its people’s voices, and in that context, Social Media Networks have done a great service to the people in letting their voices heard.

        Noble Prize? Seriously? Morons.

      • Your argument would have a lot more credence if you dispensed with the juvenile and loathesome name calling. Because of it, you just look boorish and ineffective.

        • Frank I agree with the gist of your post, but think your adjectives “juvenile and loathesome” and suggesting someone is “boorish and ineffective” also constitute name calling. It’s unnecessary.

      • And what do you have to say about savage killing of people (in an unarmed and non-violent protest) on street by Govt? What about 3million extra votes? What about hard counting of 40 millions vote in 2hrs? Do you know Khamenei once got his own brother a reformist cleric badly beaten up for merely questioning the powers of leader supreme? AND most IMPORTANT: Do you know Many Muslim scholars do not recognise Khamenei as an Ayatollah you know why because at the time of his appointment he was Hojjat ol-Islam and the Constitution of Islamic Republic of Iran required the Supreme Leader to be a marja. He was not even ayatollah. He was promoted to ayatollah in political interest overnite. He became marja in 94. However, four of Iran’s dissident grand ayatollahs declined to recognize Khamenei as a marja.
        So, beloved monster supreme Khamenei became leader supreme as a result of major rigging so i don’t doubt his faith in rigging. And by the way i am not American, just an informed world citizen.

      • Why not have election for Leader Supreme and the council and why not have it every 5yrs. That is the best way to represent everyone in a nation rich, poor, urban, rural. Let the majority decide what they want not some Leader Supreme to whom its citizen can’t even ask a fair question w/o getting killed on the street. President is just a mere instrument in the hands of Leader Supreme why he should be appointed and not elected and answerable.

      • Ahmedinijad nut-sucker.

      • The protesters are all in Teheran [sic], they are educated, westernised, and young. But they are not the majority.

        HB has more problems than just spelling. Besides Tehran, Tabriz and more than forty other cities in Iran are in some sort of suppressed protest. Secondly, HB doesn’t know if the countryside’s vote outweighed the rigged results in the city, announced just a couple hours after balloting had finished [How did they hand-count so many votes in just an hour or so?]

        HB’s ignorant statements are compounded ignorance because she doesn’t realize that Tabriz is the strongest base of support,for Mousavi, who is of Azeri origin. The Azeri comprise a quarter of Iran’s population. And yet the ex-Basiji Ahmedinejad got over sixty percent of Azeri & Tabriz’s votes in the rigged voting, which even the Guardian Council admits overcounted the votes in fifty cities [all of which are in a state of slow-insurrection just like the ones which toppled the Shah over a year’s time in ‘79. Prima facie ballot fraud on a massive scale.

        The Twitter people who deferred maintenance should get a Nobel, which since Arafat, Carter, Gore has had a disastrously diminished brand name.

      • articulate and accurate, well said.

      • Lets put this in a 1933 context, shall we?

        “THe majority of Germans are simple peasants from the country, who supported Adolph.

        The protesters are all in Berlin, they are Jews, westernised, and young. They are not the majority.

        The Führer was preserving the integrity of the country when he supported the majority of simple peasant folk, and told the Jews to pipe down.

        The covert influence of US values on a sovereign state, and the downright political actions of the US in rushing vile propaganda to the people, and England in defending there sovereignty, are totally inappropriate.

        A fundamental principle would have to be respecting the rights of sovereign states, don’t you think?”

    • So if you decide to define twitter as a public service then it should get funded accordingly… ? that’ll go down well with a load of people I’m sure.

    • I agree with this statement. Though the Nobel Peace Prize is total BS, what Twitter did was not only admirable but effective in bringing the situation to the public forefront. Bush hating aside, what this man says is a sensible argument.

  • This is bullshit!

  • Well, I think he’s right. Seriously. Who else is gonna get it? Social media technology is having a larger impact on society than anything else these days. Making everyone a publisher is the most powerful peace and progress program ever. That’s why we are working on it so hard. Nobel Prize to Twitter!

  • I am abstaining from my tweeting so server does not crash during this important period. no one deserves more than me.

  • they probably deserve it more then al gore.

  • And the cell carriers that stayed up and running get …

  • HOLY CRAP… le revolution!

  • Fox News said it so it must be true…

  • Rediculous statement. What an utterly stupid suggestion.

    Twitter wasn’t even an initiative for peace. It’s just a social web service people made in hopes of earning some good cash of it. And now it happens to turn out to be useful in these vents

    Noble Prize by accident. That would devaluate such a prize completely.

    Mark Pfeifle is an idiot.

    • Agreed. Do you give it to twitter, an intangible tool used by the protesters, or the leader of the movement itself, who risked life and limb?

    • Agreed. Twitter is important and revolutionary – I can see that now, although I used to be a hater – but it doesn’t deserve the peace prize, because it wasn’t created to promote global peace. The peace prize should gop to someone who has actively campaigned and made sacrifices for a cause they believe in over many years. Nelson Mandela, Medicins Sans Frontieres, the Dalai Lama, somehow Biz Stone doesn’t quite fit on that list.

  • this had some meat on it until you wrote:

    …a former Deputy National Security Advisor to George W. Bush…

    The Bush Admin has been the worst Admin this country has seen in generations. I would not hire this guy to be a parking lot security guard therefore no credibility. Thanks for kicking off the week with some laughs. Cheers!

  • Twitter founders are 1000x more deserving than Carter. The Carter Administration setup the stage for the problems we face with the Middle East now.

    • Don’t you mean Eisenhower and the Brits?

      • Good Point. The memories of conservatives and liberals only go so far. They always seek the easiest and convenient way to throw the other side under the bus without taking all the facts into account.

        Thanks for the argument. It would have been a counter argument. But that fellow had none to begin with.

  • KoolAidDrinkers - June 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm PDT

    Keep drinking Twitter kool aid guys. Sigh. When oh when will the twitter hype die.

    Seriously though, Slate has a good article that actually thinks through the twitter hype in relation to iran and makes a lot of good points on how much disinformation comes through it as well as information. I personally got more info through mix of traditional media and professional bloggers like Sullivan and HuffPo. Twitter had a bunch of rumors and random tweets that I couldn’t verify at all. I needed those people called ‘journalists’ to put it all together for me.

    • Those Twitter execs have learned to make the right political contributions.

    • “mix of traditional media and professional bloggers like Sullivan and HuffPo”…

      HuffPo doesn’t pay it’s bloggers, so they’re not pro. Get a clue. HuffPo is half left-wing FOX and half right-wing propaganda masquerading as left-of-center. Find better sources.

  • Oh, seriously, get real.
    I’m using Twitter, so obviously I’m not one of the Twitter haters, but if you seriously think that the events in Iran would not have been happened without Twitter, you absolutely need to take a vacation and inhale a fresh air for two or three weeks.
    Twitter maybe delivered the message to the west geeks out there, but it has minor effect if anything at all.

    Putting Twitter and Nelson Mandela side by side, just because they postponed a maintenance, insults me both as Twitter user and as a Citizen of the world.

  • With the Nobel Prize having degenerated into a clownish circus act (given recent awards to the likes of Arafat, Carter, and Gore), it would seem to be not far-fetched that Twitter would be a contender for this tarnished award.

    • (-:
      The
      @ev & @biz > deserving than Arafat,
      can’t be a valid argument.

      In that case even @failwhale can be a respectful candidate.

      • Never mind more deserving than… Arafat never deserved a Nobel peace prize in the first place.

        This sounds like a whispering campaign to honour the founders of twitter for what they have achieved (in itself, probably not a bad thing) but isn’t a Nobel prize overstating it slightly?

  • Two years ago Huffpo wasn’t taken as a serious news outlet….

  • newscorp needs twitter to steal some of the steam facebook has. so it gave twitter some good press. Since myspace is in the shitter. just my made up conspiracy theory.

  • twitter deserving over al gore any day.

  • Tell me there was at least some underlying jest. Please, tell me that!

    As nice as it was of twitter, that’s all it was, a nice gesture. I’m pretty sure it hasn’t aided peace in anyway. Maybe if there was a Nobel Communication Prize, because, when you take a step back and look, that’s all it has aided and also perhaps the readers getting a more personal understanding of what’s going on there.

  • It’s an interesting question; no one in information technology has ever been considered for a Nobel Prize of any kind, probably because the prize was created before IT; certainly economics has done the world less good recently than IT.

    That said, I’m not sure Twitter passes the test. If a candidate were nominated for a cancer treatment, he would have to demonstrate not merely that the treatment works but that it works much better than other, pre-existing treatments. If Twitter didn’t exist, would the Iranians have been much worse off with pre-existing technologies, like Facebook and blogging?

    For that matter, given that the regime hasn’t really budged yet, are the Iranians better off now because of any of these technologies? I hope so. That seems to be the test.

    • A Nobel Prize for Computing! I’d like to see that, though there isn’t even one for Mathematics, so it’s unlikely, even though IT will become ever more important over the next century. Or a Nobel Prize for Engineering/Technology? I can think of many worthy recipients.

  • Just don’t forget @jack. Is he the forgotten Beatle, Pete Best?

  • Imagine where Twitter will be a year from now, exciting to imagine this with how important they are now due to the Iran protests.

    Twitter is literally running CNN and Fox News stories on Iran.. amazing.

  • Thanks for the cred, MG Siegler. Can you fix my website reference? It needs to start with a “www”.

    Thanks again, for using my video.

    James
    @imjamesdavis

  • Seriously, give me one tweet about Iran that made a difference, or kept people informed about what is going on…

    As with everything else twitter – Iran is just spam…

    I see this message over and over…
    Show support for democracy in Iran add green overlay to your Twitter avatar with 1-click – http://helpiranelection.com/

  • Confusing story…my response micro-messaged in respect for twitter…laugh or cry…twit’s increasingly (intentionally?) useful getting word out (more sophisticated inner/outer usage than during gaza conflict?)…bush security deputy thinks this is peace prize material (becuz he knows how difficult to constrain truth?)…so is story more than twit’s utility for Tehran protests? buzzed up by recognition/hope of rising sm impact? nonetheless aware&share is poor sub for political will…but at critical mass maybe game changing.

  • Oh my God, the haters of Twitter are going to love this. – I love this. Awesome. I hate twitter and was so happy that like so many other million people out there. I just found this http://www.istwittercrap.com from one of the comments. Only very few blogs support Twitter.

  • O.k.

    First of all, those who discredit the guy because he was part of the Bush administration are rather biased. You can’t discredit someone for who they work for. That’s like demonizing the employees at AIG for the mess the executives did. Just stupid and ignorant.

    Second, the Noble Peace prize is a joke. It went to Gore for God’s sake! What has HE ever done for peace? He’s actually enslaved people mentally with the fictitious global warming and a video full of lies. I’d actually be EMBARRASSED to receive a prize if I were Twitter.

    What Twitter did was commendable. Is it Peace prize worthy? Probably not. Only liberal fruitcakes get those anymore. So there is no discussion here, folks. The very idea/suggestion is groundless.

  • I see you are getting better at trolling. Good one!

  • Why Peace and not Science?

    Or…Literature?

  • Because Iranians were dung-flinging incompetents until Twitter came along to save them.

  • silicon valley dropout (@silvaldropout) - June 22nd, 2009 at 7:30 pm PDT

    hilarious jack dorsey the guy who came up with the idea is completely forgotten as a founder.i bet when sold he will not get as much of the cut as ev and biz similar to the youtube guy .

  • Jean-Michel Decombe (@jmdecombe) - June 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 pm PDT

    Does Mark Pfeifle really know what he is talking about? Where is the supporting data? Where are the corroborations from actual Iranians who are part of the freedom movement in this country? I do not think that we will know for sure that Twitter made any significant difference until after the whole media induced smoke has cleared.

  • MG had the strongest nerdgasm of his life writing this post.

    What would the Nobel cateogry be – “most innovative way to use a current affair to gain publicity”

    Twitter-envious, Facebook has to be a close second, having rushed the Persian version of their site

  • Like Gandhi, Twitter has never made any money. Like Gandhi, it will never get the peace prize.

  • 1. iran election fraud
    2. important sites blocked
    3. twitter usage starts because it was ignored
    4. twitter users link to important sites
    5. people on twitter link to important sites that actually do shit
    6. nobel peace prize

    ROFLMAO.

    steve jobs can’t engineer this kind of blind devotion.

    let’s try another one
    1. dc metro crashes
    2. twitter users tweet like crazy jizzing over keyboards
    3. people dont care, radio/tv/important sites work fine
    4. where’s the nobel peace prize?!?!!

  • omg, is that a fox news video? ROFL.

  • Remember that the peace prize is not a “real” Nobel prize. Meaning, it was not created by Alfred Nobel, and doesn’t have the same standards as the regular scientific and artistic prizes. Many of the people receiving it do so largely due to the politics of the moment, or the “coolness” of the issue. Example: Al Gore, who is not a scientist, but talks a big game and makes a lot of noise.

    • What? Yes it was; IIRC Alfred Nobel felt remorseful that Dynamite, which he intended to be a safer explosive which could save lives, was being used in war. And thus created a peace prize.

  • You did not just suggest that - June 22nd, 2009 at 8:26 pm PDT

    You must be joking?
    What has the world come to if delaying a systems update, which only takes a couple of minutes to hours is grounds for a nobel peace prize. A suggestion like this is a slap in the face for people around the globe risking their lives (and the lives of their loved ones) to ensure peace.

  • Do I have this wrong? Does he say they deserve the NP because they delayed deployment to increase site bandwidth? Can’t see that compares with discoveries of watson/crick, einstien and pauling. KInd of scary that anyone who could be on TV, could be fooled into thinking a website has the potential of penicillian or nuclear power. KInd of sad that in last days of sillicon valley, the culture that invented compters, atomic energy, telecommunications and genetics has only produced….facebook and twitter. RIP silicon valley, heaven help us. Who will do the innovation if this is the best they can do now!

  • It’s frightening that the US suffered 8yrs of the Bush admin with such morons on staff…

  • Someone wants to get on Twitter’s ‘Suggested Follower’ list. :)

  • This is a free advice to all the dying children in Africa and Asia, and to all the oppressed minorities out there –

    If you’re going to be poor, starving, sick or persecuted for no reason, I would strongly advise you to invest some time and plan your social-networking presence and your real-time campaign strategy. Like you should really learn how to use these tools to create an audience and to generate a buzz around your suffering.

    Common, You’re not on Twitter and you’re not of Facebook… why do you expect me to care?
    Give me something to work with here! If you’re not providing me with good material, no new insights about how social media is changing the world, how do you expect to make it into my consciousness? Please, put yourself in my position – how is talking about your problems going to make me look good if I can’t throw in a bit of web lingo in there?

    I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times – if you want to reach out and be heard, you need to engage me, your audience, on the level that interests me. And currently this means social media. That’s the ONLY thing which interests me.

    And do me a favor – stay up to date. Today it’s twitter, tomorrow it’ll be something else. You can’t expect me to update you personally each time a new micro-blogging service gets hot.

    Thanks.

    • I completely disagree, I think you’re looking at it completely wrong. What dying kids in third-world countries should do first is NOT establish online campaign strategies.
      That can come later.

      The first thing they need to do is get the business model right.

      So many people have ideas which sound great, but never manage to come up with a way to monetize them. As a potential investor, I need to know these kids have a solid business plan in place.

      They just don’t get it, though, do they?
      I mean, they always ask for money or help, but leave out the business model! Heck, I don’t think I’ve ever even heard them mention revenues! How am I supposed to invest in you if you don’t even bother to tell me when I should expect to get a return on investment?

      The days of investing in any bright eyed kid with an interesting-sounding idea are over, people!

      Come to think of it, these dying African kids are not really that bright-eyed. That’s another part of their problem. Not enough enthusiasm…

      And for god sake, if you’re going to pitch your idea, you can’t walk around with no shirt on, a bloated belly and flies on your face!
      come on! show some respect! Play by the rules!

  • Doesn’t the Bush bashing get old? It is like there are robots waiting to leave some obvious comments- But they are really just really sad losers who wish to blame Bush for their miserable lives.

  • Al Gore should get the Nobel Prize for Twitter cuz he invented it!

  • Al Gore should get the Nobel Prize cuz he invented Twitter!

  • WTF? MG, how about reading your article “over and over” and tell me it doesn’t sound like twitspam. And another thing, there is no such thing as “Haters of Twitter”. The people don’t hate Twitter, they hate people who incessantly talk about Twitter like it’s the second coming of Jesus.

    Twitter wins the award for 1% execution, 2% timing and 97% pure dumb luck, sort of like when Bush won the presidency.

  • Twitter should get a seat on the UN Security Council.

  • He would have said “the internet” it may have been less ridiculous but yet I don’t know how all of that contributes to “peace”.

    Eh I’ve got an idea, give “word of mouth” the nobel prize for the french revolution in 1789.

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