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		<title>By: Maj</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2810194</link>
		<dc:creator>Maj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you mean I can *has* it?</description>
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		<title>By: Amazon Publishes Kindle DX Source Code &#171; Server Horror</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazon Publishes Kindle DX Source Code &#171; Server Horror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] under: Uncategorized &#8212; Tags: open source, shorts &#8212; Martin @ 08:36   Amazon yesterday published the source code of the Kindle DX. They have until now released three Kindle [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] under: Uncategorized &#8212; Tags: open source, shorts &#8212; Martin @ 08:36   Amazon yesterday published the source code of the Kindle DX. They have until now released three Kindle [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amazon hace disponible el código fuente de Kindle &#124; Globbos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazon hace disponible el código fuente de Kindle &#124; Globbos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] obstante, según Tech Crunch, el código fuente que ha liberado Amazon no es el que corresponde a la aplicación principal con [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2808125</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very irresponsible reporting.

1) As others have pointed out, this isn&#039;t all of the Kindle source code. It&#039;s a selection released in order to comply with the license requirements of the code written by other people which they modified for their own purposes. It&#039;s good that they are not behaving illegally, but this is hardly something to praise them for. They benefited from using this code, and that benefit comes with an obligation to share their improvements. Quid pro quo, share alike.

2) Because the Kindle is a DRMed platform, the source code release does not actually give the user freedoms the user is intended to have by the free software licenses involved. Yes, you can look at Amazon&#039;s changes and in theory you can make further improvements to code that *could* run on the Kindle. That would be awesome -- except for Amazon has blocked your ability to put modified code back on your own device. Doing so requires circumventing part of their DRM system, which could earn you criminal prosecution under the DMCA. If Amazon were actually being a good free software community citizen, it would not block you loading modified software on to your own device. Look but don&#039;t touch is the message here. 

3) What&#039;s not released is significant -- the code, for example, that allows Amazon to arbitrarily disable the Text to Speech feature whenever they want, remotely. 
Code that gives them significant power over users and how we can access books (in ways that have nothing to do with actual copyright law) remains secret.

So, the Kindle is still defective by design (http://defectivebydesign.org)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very irresponsible reporting.</p>
<p>1) As others have pointed out, this isn&#8217;t all of the Kindle source code. It&#8217;s a selection released in order to comply with the license requirements of the code written by other people which they modified for their own purposes. It&#8217;s good that they are not behaving illegally, but this is hardly something to praise them for. They benefited from using this code, and that benefit comes with an obligation to share their improvements. Quid pro quo, share alike.</p>
<p>2) Because the Kindle is a DRMed platform, the source code release does not actually give the user freedoms the user is intended to have by the free software licenses involved. Yes, you can look at Amazon&#8217;s changes and in theory you can make further improvements to code that *could* run on the Kindle. That would be awesome &#8212; except for Amazon has blocked your ability to put modified code back on your own device. Doing so requires circumventing part of their DRM system, which could earn you criminal prosecution under the DMCA. If Amazon were actually being a good free software community citizen, it would not block you loading modified software on to your own device. Look but don&#8217;t touch is the message here. </p>
<p>3) What&#8217;s not released is significant &#8212; the code, for example, that allows Amazon to arbitrarily disable the Text to Speech feature whenever they want, remotely.<br />
Code that gives them significant power over users and how we can access books (in ways that have nothing to do with actual copyright law) remains secret.</p>
<p>So, the Kindle is still defective by design (<a href="http://defectivebydesign.org" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://defectivebydesign.org'>http://defectivebydesign.org</a>)<br />
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		<title>By: RadCow</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2807813</link>
		<dc:creator>RadCow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re looking for &quot;Microsoft Word&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re looking for &#8220;Microsoft Word&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Grossman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2807094</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this article was shown completely 100% factually inaccurate, why is it still up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this article was shown completely 100% factually inaccurate, why is it still up?</p>
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		<title>By: led screen</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2806485</link>
		<dc:creator>led screen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Rod said  It’s just the GPL libraries used to power the Kindle software</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Rod said  It’s just the GPL libraries used to power the Kindle software</p>
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		<title>By: homepage</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2806274</link>
		<dc:creator>homepage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool, might make e books that much bigger and maybe more devices will support Amazon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool, might make e books that much bigger and maybe more devices will support Amazon.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2806172</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but enough people are tweeting about it today, that’s it’s worth mentioning again&quot;

... in other news, techrunch resigns to its irrelevance and has given in to twitter. from this day forth all techcrunch stories will be determined by the most popular hashtags on twitter.

(i would have posted this to twitter first, but it&#039;s over the 140 character limit)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but enough people are tweeting about it today, that’s it’s worth mentioning again&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; in other news, techrunch resigns to its irrelevance and has given in to twitter. from this day forth all techcrunch stories will be determined by the most popular hashtags on twitter.</p>
<p>(i would have posted this to twitter first, but it&#8217;s over the 140 character limit)</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Percival</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2806021</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Percival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just GPL code -- they have bsdiff source code there too, and bsdiff has never been GPLed (I should know: I wrote it).

It looks to me like they put all of the open source code they&#039;re using up there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just GPL code &#8212; they have bsdiff source code there too, and bsdiff has never been GPLed (I should know: I wrote it).</p>
<p>It looks to me like they put all of the open source code they&#8217;re using up there.</p>
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		<title>By: bp</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2806003</link>
		<dc:creator>bp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, app store for the kindle!  Here&#039;s what I want to do with my as yet unpurchased kindle (I don&#039;t see the need to buy one until I can do the following):

Problem: I have diverse and unique interests largely unshared by my immediate social circle.  Specifically, I like to contemplate and discuss God, reality, existence, etc. and pretty much only that (I&#039;d put all other topics a distant second).  The majority of my peer group enjoys other topics (and may indeed have the same problem; perhaps the content of our conversations is merely the lowest common denominator? Gossip, politics, weather, relationships, career?).  I view books as a conversation between the author, previous authors/influences, the current reader, other authors, future authors, etc.  I, like other readers and authors like to check sources/footnotes, do my own research (usually a quick wikipedia search) on unfamiliar terms and people.  I also like to make notes, but they currently sit in the books themselves.

The potential: Turning books into a conversation - allowing commenting, sharing, aggregation of intellectual capital of the readership and authorship, research, local options, etc.  I would pay for this, but would prefer to have all of this feed into the Amazon rec engine so my next book is spot on.

With this backstory, here are all things I want to do.  

1. Import my FB and LI networks.
2. Have them tagged by their interests and be able to sort so I can share book recs, segments of text, comments, analysis, relevant links.
3. Have every action within this ecosystem count.  Points for reading, commenting, sharing, points for having comments/analysis rated highly, etc.  These points are associated with my tags, the tags of the book, tags of the author, etc. so the a true SME metric can be calculated.
4. Add comments/links inline as a read.  
5. Choose whether I want the activity public or private or to share with a group of SME&#039;s, friends, etc.
6. Be able to say agree/disagree in line.
7. Have summary reports available of my own activity.
8. Be able to find SME&#039;s and their books, comments, influences, activity, etc.
9. Own this activity and be able to publish to my FB profile, blog, etc.
10. Have a searchable taxonomy ala the Britannica Great Books Synopticon and be able to find all the major advances in the exploration/development of a particular theme/idea, e.g. search &quot;Love&quot; and find all importance references from Dante to Toni Morrison.
11. Be able to just read these advances without buying a full book, e.g. iTunes of Netflix. I&#039;m interested in an all-you can eat model.
12. Full profile of interests, SME&#039;s, education, bio, etc. of readers and authors.
13. Enable the 2 most advance levels of reading - analytical and synoptical.

Amazon - please let me know when the above is ready.  Phase two: Please read How to Read a Book by Mortimer Adler.  Please read the &quot;Great Conversation&quot; by Adler as well. Ruminate on them and how these ideas can be turned into better products and more enjoyable conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, app store for the kindle!  Here&#8217;s what I want to do with my as yet unpurchased kindle (I don&#8217;t see the need to buy one until I can do the following):</p>
<p>Problem: I have diverse and unique interests largely unshared by my immediate social circle.  Specifically, I like to contemplate and discuss God, reality, existence, etc. and pretty much only that (I&#8217;d put all other topics a distant second).  The majority of my peer group enjoys other topics (and may indeed have the same problem; perhaps the content of our conversations is merely the lowest common denominator? Gossip, politics, weather, relationships, career?).  I view books as a conversation between the author, previous authors/influences, the current reader, other authors, future authors, etc.  I, like other readers and authors like to check sources/footnotes, do my own research (usually a quick wikipedia search) on unfamiliar terms and people.  I also like to make notes, but they currently sit in the books themselves.</p>
<p>The potential: Turning books into a conversation &#8211; allowing commenting, sharing, aggregation of intellectual capital of the readership and authorship, research, local options, etc.  I would pay for this, but would prefer to have all of this feed into the Amazon rec engine so my next book is spot on.</p>
<p>With this backstory, here are all things I want to do.  </p>
<p>1. Import my FB and LI networks.<br />
2. Have them tagged by their interests and be able to sort so I can share book recs, segments of text, comments, analysis, relevant links.<br />
3. Have every action within this ecosystem count.  Points for reading, commenting, sharing, points for having comments/analysis rated highly, etc.  These points are associated with my tags, the tags of the book, tags of the author, etc. so the a true SME metric can be calculated.<br />
4. Add comments/links inline as a read.<br />
5. Choose whether I want the activity public or private or to share with a group of SME&#8217;s, friends, etc.<br />
6. Be able to say agree/disagree in line.<br />
7. Have summary reports available of my own activity.<br />
8. Be able to find SME&#8217;s and their books, comments, influences, activity, etc.<br />
9. Own this activity and be able to publish to my FB profile, blog, etc.<br />
10. Have a searchable taxonomy ala the Britannica Great Books Synopticon and be able to find all the major advances in the exploration/development of a particular theme/idea, e.g. search &#8220;Love&#8221; and find all importance references from Dante to Toni Morrison.<br />
11. Be able to just read these advances without buying a full book, e.g. iTunes of Netflix. I&#8217;m interested in an all-you can eat model.<br />
12. Full profile of interests, SME&#8217;s, education, bio, etc. of readers and authors.<br />
13. Enable the 2 most advance levels of reading &#8211; analytical and synoptical.</p>
<p>Amazon &#8211; please let me know when the above is ready.  Phase two: Please read How to Read a Book by Mortimer Adler.  Please read the &#8220;Great Conversation&#8221; by Adler as well. Ruminate on them and how these ideas can be turned into better products and more enjoyable conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: timy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2805983</link>
		<dc:creator>timy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the laugh you guys!!!!!

i keep thinking of how some &quot;caugh&quot; VCs.. think being on TC is great.. but my god, you guys, i&#039;m not impressed by your tech chops!!

the comments i see are seriously lacking in any understanding of tech issues, policies, strategies, or anything, other than basic comments...

i&#039;m assuming VCs don&#039;t really follow most of the threads here!!

the code Amazon has released has to do with the low level drivers for the device.. the higher level code that actually does the interesting stuff is a function of (i think) e technologies, and amazon... (my memory is fuzzy on this..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the laugh you guys!!!!!</p>
<p>i keep thinking of how some &#8220;caugh&#8221; VCs.. think being on TC is great.. but my god, you guys, i&#8217;m not impressed by your tech chops!!</p>
<p>the comments i see are seriously lacking in any understanding of tech issues, policies, strategies, or anything, other than basic comments&#8230;</p>
<p>i&#8217;m assuming VCs don&#8217;t really follow most of the threads here!!</p>
<p>the code Amazon has released has to do with the low level drivers for the device.. the higher level code that actually does the interesting stuff is a function of (i think) e technologies, and amazon&#8230; (my memory is fuzzy on this..)</p>
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		<title>By: Kumar Mettu</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2805930</link>
		<dc:creator>Kumar Mettu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kindle has CDC implementation (a form of java for non developers). It has all the apps written in java. There was talk of opening up kindle for third party apps at one point (App store for kindle anyone?).

http://javaswamy.blogspot.com/2008/01/amazon-kindle-has-jvm.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kindle has CDC implementation (a form of java for non developers). It has all the apps written in java. There was talk of opening up kindle for third party apps at one point (App store for kindle anyone?).</p>
<p><a href="http://javaswamy.blogspot.com/2008/01/amazon-kindle-has-jvm.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://javaswamy.blogspot.com/2008/01/amazon-kindle-has-jvm.html'>http://javaswam...le-has-jvm.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2805884</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what could someone do with this code anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what could someone do with this code anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Mahmoud Al-Qudsi</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2805878</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahmoud Al-Qudsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get a clue. That&#039;s not the Kindle source code, it&#039;s just the source for portions taken from GPL projects, which they&#039;re required to distribute by law. They don&#039;t reveal anything about the Kindle, and it&#039;s not a sign of Amazon &quot;opening up&quot; or anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get a clue. That&#8217;s not the Kindle source code, it&#8217;s just the source for portions taken from GPL projects, which they&#8217;re required to distribute by law. They don&#8217;t reveal anything about the Kindle, and it&#8217;s not a sign of Amazon &#8220;opening up&#8221; or anything.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2805842</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So &quot;Kindle promotes Free Libraries by Law&quot; ? 

There&#039;s a business model in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8220;Kindle promotes Free Libraries by Law&#8221; ? </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a business model in that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Metcalfe</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2805830</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Metcalfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re doing this to satisfy licensing issues related to GPL etc... and As Rod mentions there&#039;s no &#039;meaty&#039; code in here like the book reading stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re doing this to satisfy licensing issues related to GPL etc&#8230; and As Rod mentions there&#8217;s no &#8216;meaty&#8217; code in here like the book reading stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: MG Siegler</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2805707</link>
		<dc:creator>MG Siegler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rod.</description>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="500034231">Rod Begbie</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2805700</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="500034231">Rod Begbie</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t the source to the Kindle application.  It&#039;s just the GPL libraries used to power the Kindle software, along with the patches made by Amazon to those libraries.

There&#039;s nothing in the tarball that relates to reading books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t the source to the Kindle application.  It&#8217;s just the GPL libraries used to power the Kindle software, along with the patches made by Amazon to those libraries.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing in the tarball that relates to reading books.</p>
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		<title>By: Jash Sayani</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/16/want-the-kindle-source-code-you-can-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2805689</link>
		<dc:creator>Jash Sayani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the source code of the iPhone app ?

I would love to get that :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the source code of the iPhone app ?</p>
<p>I would love to get that <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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