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		<title>By: Michael Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787836</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m sorry. i have to turn comments off now. this is just too vicious. i can&#039;t keep reading this stuff even if it&#039;s just to delete it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sorry. i have to turn comments off now. this is just too vicious. i can&#8217;t keep reading this stuff even if it&#8217;s just to delete it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavel Senko</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787828</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavel Senko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like misunderstanding to me. I got impression that Mike and Leo were joking around until very end of the video. Good example of how easy two men may get into a conflict and also how they can resolve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like misunderstanding to me. I got impression that Mike and Leo were joking around until very end of the video. Good example of how easy two men may get into a conflict and also how they can resolve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrie</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787825</link>
		<dc:creator>Barrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leo obviously had a backlog of unvented stuff, and you tripped the fuse with a bit of agressive banter.
Normally, Leo rolls with this sorta thing...he&#039;s usually a gentleman and likes sparring now and then, and even dishes out his own occasional unabashed or speculative accusations.
Most people lose it now and then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo obviously had a backlog of unvented stuff, and you tripped the fuse with a bit of agressive banter.<br />
Normally, Leo rolls with this sorta thing&#8230;he&#8217;s usually a gentleman and likes sparring now and then, and even dishes out his own occasional unabashed or speculative accusations.<br />
Most people lose it now and then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Mackey</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787807</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m certainly glad to see two professionals I certainly respect to come to an agreement and understand each other. We are all in this together guys and it&#039;s good to know we can get heated at times but come back down to earth and shake hands. Good ending to a drama filled story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m certainly glad to see two professionals I certainly respect to come to an agreement and understand each other. We are all in this together guys and it&#8217;s good to know we can get heated at times but come back down to earth and shake hands. Good ending to a drama filled story.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787805</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;img src=&#039;http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/picture-23.png&#039;  class=border alt=&#039;&#039; /&gt;

THIS is what we saw last summer, starting with our posts that were opposed to the Google/Yahoo search deal. The community just skips on by, but this stuff turns very real. It should never turn to this, but it always does. And I end up with a police car parked in front of my house for two weeks.</description>
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<p>THIS is what we saw last summer, starting with our posts that were opposed to the Google/Yahoo search deal. The community just skips on by, but this stuff turns very real. It should never turn to this, but it always does. And I end up with a police car parked in front of my house for two weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-1/#comment-2787804</link>
		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kinda cheapass air are YOU breathing? Free air? That&#039;s stuff&#039;s full of carcinogens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kinda cheapass air are YOU breathing? Free air? That&#8217;s stuff&#8217;s full of carcinogens.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787803</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I know that. Don&#039;t dare question Leo. Or you&#039;ll get comments like &quot;I hope you die soon&quot; and worse. I let that one in, deleted the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I know that. Don&#8217;t dare question Leo. Or you&#8217;ll get comments like &#8220;I hope you die soon&#8221; and worse. I let that one in, deleted the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-3/#comment-2787802</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve explained the &quot;what are you going to do about it&quot; line. It looks bad. I regret it. However, I absolutely thought Leo was joking around with me, as did Steve and Loren who were clearly chuckling on the video. I would not have said that if I understood he was actually angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve explained the &#8220;what are you going to do about it&#8221; line. It looks bad. I regret it. However, I absolutely thought Leo was joking around with me, as did Steve and Loren who were clearly chuckling on the video. I would not have said that if I understood he was actually angry.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-2/#comment-2787798</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t offer an unqualified apology. I offered an explanation and then an apology. I quite clearly meant exactly what I wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t offer an unqualified apology. I offered an explanation and then an apology. I quite clearly meant exactly what I wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Marah Marie</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-2/#comment-2787797</link>
		<dc:creator>Marah Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. I work from the same premise: I don&#039;t expect anybody to “know who I am” - it&#039;s when someone jumps to conclusions that I might get ticked- *not* when someone merely questions me to figure out what conclusions they should jump to. 

In other words: &quot;Did you get that for free?&quot; Leading question, but not the end of the world; probably not going to start me cursing, yelling, and taking my toys away to go play with the other kids in the neighborhood.

On the other hand, &quot;You got that for free! You&#039;re cozy with them!&quot; might completely flip me out, because now you&#039;ve falsely accused me. I have a hard time handling all the conclusions you jumped to- without even asking me for some background first- to get to the point where you&#039;re saying that. 

THAT might be infuriating- not *questioning* me to determine where I stand, but *telling* me where I stand without even asking me first.

Even then, if I was the great Leo LaPorte, I might think twice before I broke out into curses and insults - it looks unprofessional in any situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. I work from the same premise: I don&#8217;t expect anybody to “know who I am” &#8211; it&#8217;s when someone jumps to conclusions that I might get ticked- *not* when someone merely questions me to figure out what conclusions they should jump to. </p>
<p>In other words: &#8220;Did you get that for free?&#8221; Leading question, but not the end of the world; probably not going to start me cursing, yelling, and taking my toys away to go play with the other kids in the neighborhood.</p>
<p>On the other hand, &#8220;You got that for free! You&#8217;re cozy with them!&#8221; might completely flip me out, because now you&#8217;ve falsely accused me. I have a hard time handling all the conclusions you jumped to- without even asking me for some background first- to get to the point where you&#8217;re saying that. </p>
<p>THAT might be infuriating- not *questioning* me to determine where I stand, but *telling* me where I stand without even asking me first.</p>
<p>Even then, if I was the great Leo LaPorte, I might think twice before I broke out into curses and insults &#8211; it looks unprofessional in any situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Marah Marie</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-1/#comment-2787779</link>
		<dc:creator>Marah Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please, how professional is anyone who launches into an ugly, unnecessary tirade over a simple and decently worded question? 

Tech is this guy&#039;s *work* so he should act &quot;*work*manlike - professional. This isn&#039;t some unknown dude who writes some unknown hacker blog from his mother&#039;s basement who got lucky enough to get invited onto the show one day; this is one of the Faces of Tech for the last however-many-years - he should conduct himself in a manner fitting his stature in the tech world, not act like a kid ready to fight in the back alley with the guy in gym who just called him a dweeb. The public deserves better than to see him throw a fit simply because someone asks a question that jars his unhealthy ego. 

Being ethical does not give you the right to act ugly because someone questioned your ethics. 

If you want to get angry, fine, but at least leave the cursing, insults, and attitude (&quot;turn the cameras off, we&#039;re done&quot;) out of it, if you don&#039;t want to seem like the only person on Earth who could possibly think that much of yourself. 

Even the other guys there didn&#039;t believe Leo could mean a word he was saying and laughed it off until Leo made it painfully obvious that he was *really* throwing a fit; that should tell you something (that Leo was so out of line it&#039;s almost unbelievable).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please, how professional is anyone who launches into an ugly, unnecessary tirade over a simple and decently worded question? </p>
<p>Tech is this guy&#8217;s *work* so he should act &#8220;*work*manlike &#8211; professional. This isn&#8217;t some unknown dude who writes some unknown hacker blog from his mother&#8217;s basement who got lucky enough to get invited onto the show one day; this is one of the Faces of Tech for the last however-many-years &#8211; he should conduct himself in a manner fitting his stature in the tech world, not act like a kid ready to fight in the back alley with the guy in gym who just called him a dweeb. The public deserves better than to see him throw a fit simply because someone asks a question that jars his unhealthy ego. </p>
<p>Being ethical does not give you the right to act ugly because someone questioned your ethics. </p>
<p>If you want to get angry, fine, but at least leave the cursing, insults, and attitude (&#8221;turn the cameras off, we&#8217;re done&#8221;) out of it, if you don&#8217;t want to seem like the only person on Earth who could possibly think that much of yourself. </p>
<p>Even the other guys there didn&#8217;t believe Leo could mean a word he was saying and laughed it off until Leo made it painfully obvious that he was *really* throwing a fit; that should tell you something (that Leo was so out of line it&#8217;s almost unbelievable).</p>
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		<title>By: selinahowells</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787751</link>
		<dc:creator>selinahowells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=palm+pre+review+usual+suspects&amp;btnG=Google+Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=

Search Google for &#039;Palm Pre review usual suspects&#039;, there&#039;s an echo across main stream media and blogging calling David Pogue and Walt Mossberg &#039;usual suspects&#039;. 

A dictionary definition of usual suspects:

&#039;the persons most often involved or suspected in an activity, esp. criminal; also, the persons predictably involved in a certain context&#039;

What&#039;s going on here? 

Disclosure was fine at a review model and if the journalist says he returns review models I believe him.</description>
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<p>Search Google for &#8216;Palm Pre review usual suspects&#8217;, there&#8217;s an echo across main stream media and blogging calling David Pogue and Walt Mossberg &#8216;usual suspects&#8217;. </p>
<p>A dictionary definition of usual suspects:</p>
<p>&#8216;the persons most often involved or suspected in an activity, esp. criminal; also, the persons predictably involved in a certain context&#8217;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s going on here? </p>
<p>Disclosure was fine at a review model and if the journalist says he returns review models I believe him.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787750</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike apologized and to me that&#039;s all that matters. He explained where he was going with his question, and didn&#039;t mean to come off like he did. I&#039;ve watched the Gillmor Gang a few times on TWiT and I know just how things can heat up, but this was something that both sides are embarrassed about, and I&#039;m sure Mike would like to put this behind him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike apologized and to me that&#8217;s all that matters. He explained where he was going with his question, and didn&#8217;t mean to come off like he did. I&#8217;ve watched the Gillmor Gang a few times on TWiT and I know just how things can heat up, but this was something that both sides are embarrassed about, and I&#8217;m sure Mike would like to put this behind him.</p>
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		<title>By: Marah Marie</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-1/#comment-2787749</link>
		<dc:creator>Marah Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, that&#039;s where I am with this whole issue. At least Mike was completely professional, if a bit churlish.  Leo - I don&#039;t care *what* Mike said - immediately starts cursing, calling Mike a troll, and acting like a pretentious pr...well, I shouldn&#039;t use that word here because it might get people mad, but he most definitely acted like one of *those*.

If I were Mike I would not consider someone who publicly curses me out and insults me on video for the entire world to see a &quot;friend&quot; (I keep seeing that word used here and I don&#039;t know why - I don&#039;t care if they&#039;ve known each other for years and sleep over each other&#039;s houses every weekend, that is not his &quot;friend&quot;). 

That to me is simply a guy who seems to feel he&#039;s more important than others and more entitled to his own opinion than others are to theirs. His behavior was a complete turnoff in every way imaginable. I don&#039;t follow Leo anyway, never have, and after this, most likely never will. 

Mike, if you&#039;re a troll (you&#039;re not), you are the best troll ever - keep up the good work, and don&#039;t let people who think they are more important than and better than you hold you back (and maybe stop apologizing, too - he looks - and sounds- much more wrong here than you do).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, that&#8217;s where I am with this whole issue. At least Mike was completely professional, if a bit churlish.  Leo &#8211; I don&#8217;t care *what* Mike said &#8211; immediately starts cursing, calling Mike a troll, and acting like a pretentious pr&#8230;well, I shouldn&#8217;t use that word here because it might get people mad, but he most definitely acted like one of *those*.</p>
<p>If I were Mike I would not consider someone who publicly curses me out and insults me on video for the entire world to see a &#8220;friend&#8221; (I keep seeing that word used here and I don&#8217;t know why &#8211; I don&#8217;t care if they&#8217;ve known each other for years and sleep over each other&#8217;s houses every weekend, that is not his &#8220;friend&#8221;). </p>
<p>That to me is simply a guy who seems to feel he&#8217;s more important than others and more entitled to his own opinion than others are to theirs. His behavior was a complete turnoff in every way imaginable. I don&#8217;t follow Leo anyway, never have, and after this, most likely never will. </p>
<p>Mike, if you&#8217;re a troll (you&#8217;re not), you are the best troll ever &#8211; keep up the good work, and don&#8217;t let people who think they are more important than and better than you hold you back (and maybe stop apologizing, too &#8211; he looks &#8211; and sounds- much more wrong here than you do).</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Searles</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787746</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Searles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.. I&#039;m shocked.... 

I guess I&#039;m the kind of guy who thinks critically about everything.. I love Leo.. and so many of his podcasts.. been listening to them religiously for... well I guess a few years now? And its one of the things I really love and respect about Leo.. how well he treats people..  among other things.. but.. especially as I grow more sophisticated about particular subjects.. I do think more critically about what he&#039;s putting out there..

I don&#039;t understand Leo&#039;s reaction.. but I figure we all can have our moments.. and just cause you&#039;re a tech celebrity doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re suddenly not human like the rest of us.. I kinda feel a little bad for him that this video is out there..

And I certainly don&#039;t look at you, Arrington, and think &quot;oh you were a dick&quot; or anything like that.. I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d come down exactly where you do on.. how you interpret the issue of getting an advanced issue of a Pre, and how that might prejudice a journalists review.. But I surely think it&#039;s a totally legitimate point of view.. and its the kind of questions we all have to be asking our selves.. and thinking about..

In any event I just hope you guys are able to.. not have this negatively effect your relationship and all that.. 

And you know.. in the big picture.. I mean.. compared to my grandmother dying a couple weeks ago.. what does it matter anyway? I mean.. things getting a little out of hand for this one thing? Its just life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.. I&#8217;m shocked&#8230;. </p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m the kind of guy who thinks critically about everything.. I love Leo.. and so many of his podcasts.. been listening to them religiously for&#8230; well I guess a few years now? And its one of the things I really love and respect about Leo.. how well he treats people..  among other things.. but.. especially as I grow more sophisticated about particular subjects.. I do think more critically about what he&#8217;s putting out there..</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand Leo&#8217;s reaction.. but I figure we all can have our moments.. and just cause you&#8217;re a tech celebrity doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re suddenly not human like the rest of us.. I kinda feel a little bad for him that this video is out there..</p>
<p>And I certainly don&#8217;t look at you, Arrington, and think &#8220;oh you were a dick&#8221; or anything like that.. I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d come down exactly where you do on.. how you interpret the issue of getting an advanced issue of a Pre, and how that might prejudice a journalists review.. But I surely think it&#8217;s a totally legitimate point of view.. and its the kind of questions we all have to be asking our selves.. and thinking about..</p>
<p>In any event I just hope you guys are able to.. not have this negatively effect your relationship and all that.. </p>
<p>And you know.. in the big picture.. I mean.. compared to my grandmother dying a couple weeks ago.. what does it matter anyway? I mean.. things getting a little out of hand for this one thing? Its just life.</p>
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		<title>By: Beanie</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787741</link>
		<dc:creator>Beanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a legitimate question but you just came at him too rash.  I see a lot of people coming to Leo&#039;s defense, but I thought his reaction was unmeasured as well.  I don&#039;t think this poor communication would have happened in person.  An unfortunate altercation but tmrw will be forgotten.  Worry not my man and keep sharing w/ the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a legitimate question but you just came at him too rash.  I see a lot of people coming to Leo&#8217;s defense, but I thought his reaction was unmeasured as well.  I don&#8217;t think this poor communication would have happened in person.  An unfortunate altercation but tmrw will be forgotten.  Worry not my man and keep sharing w/ the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Holden Page</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787731</link>
		<dc:creator>Holden Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leo didn&#039;t need to cuss out Arrington like that, I have never heard of Leo myself but after watching that I was left with a little distaste in my mouth. Obviously though, Leo is very respected.

Arrington, you did come off as a little accusatory, I will say that. It seems both parties just took things way wrong here, and hey? We move on. No point in dwelling on it forever. Misunderstandings happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo didn&#8217;t need to cuss out Arrington like that, I have never heard of Leo myself but after watching that I was left with a little distaste in my mouth. Obviously though, Leo is very respected.</p>
<p>Arrington, you did come off as a little accusatory, I will say that. It seems both parties just took things way wrong here, and hey? We move on. No point in dwelling on it forever. Misunderstandings happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuri Walkiw</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787723</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuri Walkiw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody should ever dare to question Leo Laporte.  Leo has spent 30 years building one of the most solid and honest reputations in media.  I completely agree with him and I think his actions were warranted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody should ever dare to question Leo Laporte.  Leo has spent 30 years building one of the most solid and honest reputations in media.  I completely agree with him and I think his actions were warranted.</p>
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		<title>By: at</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-1/#comment-2787722</link>
		<dc:creator>at</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hope u guys can work it out... there is nothing better than friendship. im sure leo is just having a rough day and this all is a big miss understanding. u both needs to let this passby just dont care wut other people say. pride kills everything</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hope u guys can work it out&#8230; there is nothing better than friendship. im sure leo is just having a rough day and this all is a big miss understanding. u both needs to let this passby just dont care wut other people say. pride kills everything</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Calls Arrington Out for Palm Pre review : Cellphone9 - Mobile Phones - Wireless Life - Cellular Phones</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787716</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo Calls Arrington Out for Palm Pre review : Cellphone9 - Mobile Phones - Wireless Life - Cellular Phones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But yeah, this Leo and Mike bit. At least they&#8217;ve mended fences. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rickfle</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787708</link>
		<dc:creator>rickfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Important here to realize that integrity is really one of the bottom-line issues for Leo and should be also for Arrington.   Leo has sponsors and listeners that depend on him giving opinions that are untainted by undue influence from people and companies in the industry.  To impugn that, even in jest (though it didn&#039;t sound to me as if anyone was kidding around) is to risk serious damage.  Even the inference that Leo could be &quot;bought&quot; with a free phone is ridiculous, and a little sad.  If Arrington is mad that there are &quot;ins&quot; and &quot;outs&quot; in the eyes of a particular company or publicist, that&#039;s a legitimate issue but not a basis for accusations.  (I&#039;m shocked; shocked to discover that Palm is cautious of writers that have burned them before. Round up the usual suspects. )  Leo&#039;s unboxing of the Pre yesterday was properly skeptical, especially in the context of an tech media that practically salivates at the mere mention of any new Apple product.  Obviously it benefits Palm to put their products in the hands of reviewers that will be fair, but it also benefits Leo to be evenhanded, and sometimes that means critical and sometimes it means giving praise where due.  In general reviewers in all fields want to be positive.  Sometimes it&#039;s deserved and sometimes it isn&#039;t, but poking at a reviewer&#039;s integrity and even the implication that an opinion can be bought, without any actual evidence, is just wrong.  It&#039;s OK to be a provocateur and a gadfly, but Arrington pushed too hard.  Leo&#039;s reaction was unexpected, perhaps, but not unwarranted if you think about what&#039;s at stake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Important here to realize that integrity is really one of the bottom-line issues for Leo and should be also for Arrington.   Leo has sponsors and listeners that depend on him giving opinions that are untainted by undue influence from people and companies in the industry.  To impugn that, even in jest (though it didn&#8217;t sound to me as if anyone was kidding around) is to risk serious damage.  Even the inference that Leo could be &#8220;bought&#8221; with a free phone is ridiculous, and a little sad.  If Arrington is mad that there are &#8220;ins&#8221; and &#8220;outs&#8221; in the eyes of a particular company or publicist, that&#8217;s a legitimate issue but not a basis for accusations.  (I&#8217;m shocked; shocked to discover that Palm is cautious of writers that have burned them before. Round up the usual suspects. )  Leo&#8217;s unboxing of the Pre yesterday was properly skeptical, especially in the context of an tech media that practically salivates at the mere mention of any new Apple product.  Obviously it benefits Palm to put their products in the hands of reviewers that will be fair, but it also benefits Leo to be evenhanded, and sometimes that means critical and sometimes it means giving praise where due.  In general reviewers in all fields want to be positive.  Sometimes it&#8217;s deserved and sometimes it isn&#8217;t, but poking at a reviewer&#8217;s integrity and even the implication that an opinion can be bought, without any actual evidence, is just wrong.  It&#8217;s OK to be a provocateur and a gadfly, but Arrington pushed too hard.  Leo&#8217;s reaction was unexpected, perhaps, but not unwarranted if you think about what&#8217;s at stake.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave P</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-1/#comment-2787704</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a tech reviewer myself, I know that there is always a voice in the back of my mind reminding me that I need to keep reviews unbiased despite the fact that I have a cool gadget in my hands that a company was generous enough to send to me. It is always a difficult thing to work around and one of the more agonizing things about this job.

The last thing that I would want is for someone to accuse me of giving in to that bias, let alone ANOTHER JOURNALIST.

That, in my and quite likely many others&#039; opinions, is quite inexcusable and very much unprofessional.

Legitimacy is what we are all working for and scared of not being granted same and for someone to open up the question of that legitimacy in front of an open audience undermines all that tech journalism stands for. This is a topic that is just best not brought up as it simply has no redeeming value in its accusation nor subjectiveness. 

Leo had every right to be p*ssed off, though his manner of addressing the matter was not professional either, admittedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a tech reviewer myself, I know that there is always a voice in the back of my mind reminding me that I need to keep reviews unbiased despite the fact that I have a cool gadget in my hands that a company was generous enough to send to me. It is always a difficult thing to work around and one of the more agonizing things about this job.</p>
<p>The last thing that I would want is for someone to accuse me of giving in to that bias, let alone ANOTHER JOURNALIST.</p>
<p>That, in my and quite likely many others&#8217; opinions, is quite inexcusable and very much unprofessional.</p>
<p>Legitimacy is what we are all working for and scared of not being granted same and for someone to open up the question of that legitimacy in front of an open audience undermines all that tech journalism stands for. This is a topic that is just best not brought up as it simply has no redeeming value in its accusation nor subjectiveness. </p>
<p>Leo had every right to be p*ssed off, though his manner of addressing the matter was not professional either, admittedly.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-1/#comment-2787703</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nooobsss don&#039;t be so dramatic. Leo didn&#039;t &quot;lose it&quot;. He got angry and ended the show as was his right. I don&#039;t know what sheltered life you live but sometimes when a man gets angry he curses and tells other people to shove it. Sorry to crush your dreams about candy canes and puppet shows. If Leo&#039;s a liability then I don&#039;t want to be an asset. -Pete</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nooobsss don&#8217;t be so dramatic. Leo didn&#8217;t &#8220;lose it&#8221;. He got angry and ended the show as was his right. I don&#8217;t know what sheltered life you live but sometimes when a man gets angry he curses and tells other people to shove it. Sorry to crush your dreams about candy canes and puppet shows. If Leo&#8217;s a liability then I don&#8217;t want to be an asset. -Pete</p>
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		<title>By: reeljerc</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787702</link>
		<dc:creator>reeljerc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread has held my depleted capacity of attention as long as anything recently.  Mike, you didn&#039;t think before you spoke - big mistake.  Leo, you overreacted.  Now that we&#039;ve established that, let&#039;s move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread has held my depleted capacity of attention as long as anything recently.  Mike, you didn&#8217;t think before you spoke &#8211; big mistake.  Leo, you overreacted.  Now that we&#8217;ve established that, let&#8217;s move on.</p>
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		<title>By: phototristan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/06/ouch/comment-page-4/#comment-2787701</link>
		<dc:creator>phototristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I got a free one and it still sucks.</description>
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