Comments on: There We Go Again. No, Micropayments Won’t “Save Journalism” http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:14:47 -0800 hourly 1 By: Operation Failure: Times Plans To Charge For One-Day Access To Online News | Yatito! - Your Free Land http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-3103713 Operation Failure: Times Plans To Charge For One-Day Access To Online News | Yatito! - Your Free Land Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:09:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-3103713 [...] slightest Harding as great as you determine which micro-payments have been not the way possibly – he claims newspapers should be “wary” of article-only economics since [...] [...] slightest Harding as great as you determine which micro-payments have been not the way possibly – he claims newspapers should be “wary” of article-only economics since [...]

]]> By: Trends: il futuro delle news online « Assoautori http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-3103390 Trends: il futuro delle news online « Assoautori Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:39:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-3103390 [...] l’idea di Frank Fisher sui micropagamenti delle news, Robin Wauters su TechCrunch riporta invece un significativo parere (tratto da “What Would Micropayments Do for [...] [...] l’idea di Frank Fisher sui micropagamenti delle news, Robin Wauters su TechCrunch riporta invece un significativo parere (tratto da “What Would Micropayments Do for [...]

]]> By: Ly Technology » Operation Failure: Times Plans To Charge For One-Day Access To Online News http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-3103213 Ly Technology » Operation Failure: Times Plans To Charge For One-Day Access To Online News Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:25:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-3103213 [...] least Harding and I agree that micro-payments are not the way either – he claims newspapers should be “wary” of article-only economics because [...] [...] least Harding and I agree that micro-payments are not the way either – he claims newspapers should be “wary” of article-only economics because [...]

]]> By: Operation Failure: Times Plans To Charge For One-Day Access To Online News http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-3102853 Operation Failure: Times Plans To Charge For One-Day Access To Online News Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:39:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-3102853 [...] least Harding and I agree that micro-payments are not the way either – he claims newspapers should be “wary” of article-only economics because [...] [...] least Harding and I agree that micro-payments are not the way either – he claims newspapers should be “wary” of article-only economics because [...]

]]> By: Google’s Micropayment Platform : Reincarnating Print Media http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2976472 Google’s Micropayment Platform : Reincarnating Print Media Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:58:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2976472 [...] TechCrunch : There We Go Again. No, Micropayments Won’t “Save Journalism” [...] [...] TechCrunch : There We Go Again. No, Micropayments Won’t “Save Journalism” [...]

]]> By: Trends: il futuro delle news online http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2975467 Trends: il futuro delle news online Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:33:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2975467 [...] l’idea di Frank Fisher sui micropagamenti delle news, Robin Wauters su TechCrunch riporta invece un significativo parere (tratto da "What Would Micropayments Do for Journalism? [...] [...] l’idea di Frank Fisher sui micropagamenti delle news, Robin Wauters su TechCrunch riporta invece un significativo parere (tratto da "What Would Micropayments Do for Journalism? [...]

]]> By: informationliberation - How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking | The Ruthless Truth blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2839543 informationliberation - How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking | The Ruthless Truth blog Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:50:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2839543 [...] like a caged innocent man” Of all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He [...] [...] like a caged innocent man” Of all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He [...]

]]> By: Il ReteGiornale - la Tua Voce in Rete» Libertà d'informazione » Paralizzare il Web per salvare i giornali? http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2833623 Il ReteGiornale - la Tua Voce in Rete» Libertà d'informazione » Paralizzare il Web per salvare i giornali? Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:36:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2833623 [...] rianimare il cadavere della pubblicità? Quali sono i business model possibili (Freemium? Micropagamenti?)? O addirittura, paradossalmente, si può paralizzare il [...] [...] rianimare il cadavere della pubblicità? Quali sono i business model possibili (Freemium? Micropagamenti?)? O addirittura, paradossalmente, si può paralizzare il [...]

]]> By: LSDI : Paralizzare il Web per salvare i giornali? http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2833221 LSDI : Paralizzare il Web per salvare i giornali? Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:27:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2833221 [...] rianimare il cadavere della pubblicità? Quali sono i business model possibili (Freemium? Micropagamenti?)? O addirittura, paradossalmente, si può paralizzare il [...] [...] rianimare il cadavere della pubblicità? Quali sono i business model possibili (Freemium? Micropagamenti?)? O addirittura, paradossalmente, si può paralizzare il [...]

]]> By: How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking | Spin Valley Post http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2827277 How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking | Spin Valley Post Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:28:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2827277 [...] all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He [...] [...] all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He [...]

]]> By: 新聞業界を救う法［第7巻］：リンクを禁止せよ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2827196 新聞業界を救う法［第7巻］：リンクを禁止せよ Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:26:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2827196 [...] 新聞業界を救済すべく最近提案された数々の見当外れのもくろみ（少額支払い!、やGoogleのせいだ!）の中でも、Richard Posner判事の提案には、まさしく開いた口がふさがらない。著作権付コンテンツへのリンクを禁止すべきだそうだ。 [...] [...] 新聞業界を救済すべく最近提案された数々の見当外れのもくろみ（少額支払い!、やGoogleのせいだ!）の中でも、Richard Posner判事の提案には、まさしく開いた口がふさがらない。著作権付コンテンツへのリンクを禁止すべきだそうだ。 [...]

]]> By: The Far Edge » Blog Archive » How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2826873 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:17:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2826873 [...] all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He [...] [...] all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He [...]

]]> By: How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking | Cellphone Ultra http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2826304 How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking | Cellphone Ultra Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:11:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2826304 [...] all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He [...] [...] all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He [...]

]]> By: How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2826253 How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:07:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2826253 [...] all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He [...] [...] all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He [...]

]]> By: Diggings » More Evidence Of The Obvious: Online Classifieds Are Soaring But The Dailies Are Struggling http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2808059 Diggings » More Evidence Of The Obvious: Online Classifieds Are Soaring But The Dailies Are Struggling Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:25:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2808059 [...] …another article to add to the mix on whether or not micropayments will or won’t save the dailies. And despite the arguments [...] [...] …another article to add to the mix on whether or not micropayments will or won’t save the dailies. And despite the arguments [...]

]]> By: アメリカ新聞協会の新聞救済策: 壊れた卵を元に戻す名案はあるか？ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2782301 アメリカ新聞協会の新聞救済策: 壊れた卵を元に戻す名案はあるか？ Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:08:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2782301 [...] この報告書は、有料コンテンツの実装方式として、小額支払い、購読制（有料会員制）、両者の折衷など、いくつかの形を提案している。Googleを原子爆弾にたとえて“コンテンツビジネスを爆破して何百万もの原子のようなちりぢり粉々の状態にしてしまった”と言っている。また、新聞をハンプティダンプティにたとえて、新聞社は破片をすべて集めて“元の正常な姿”を取り戻そうともがいている、と書いている。そしてもちろん、新聞企業は第二の原子爆弾、すなわちハイパーリンク（Webのいわゆる“リンク”）にも苦しめられている。白書に曰く: “ハイパーリンクとそれによるコンテンツの配布という文化は、Webの対話性の重要な要因であるが、従来のニュースのビジネスモデルに対する原子爆弾になっている”。そこで、粉々になった新聞業界を元の姿に戻すためには、この報告書によれば、コンテンツに課金し、Googleにそれを強制し、Kindleに関しては有料購読形式をAmazonとの交渉により取り付ける（Kindleは新聞対Googleの場合よりもさらに不正にコンテンツからお金を儲けているのだそうだ）。どうやらAPIの人たちは、ハンプティダンプティを実際に読んだことがないようだ。読んでいれば、元の姿に戻せないことを知ってるはずだから。 [...] [...] この報告書は、有料コンテンツの実装方式として、小額支払い、購読制（有料会員制）、両者の折衷など、いくつかの形を提案している。Googleを原子爆弾にたとえて“コンテンツビジネスを爆破して何百万もの原子のようなちりぢり粉々の状態にしてしまった”と言っている。また、新聞をハンプティダンプティにたとえて、新聞社は破片をすべて集めて“元の正常な姿”を取り戻そうともがいている、と書いている。そしてもちろん、新聞企業は第二の原子爆弾、すなわちハイパーリンク（Webのいわゆる“リンク”）にも苦しめられている。白書に曰く: “ハイパーリンクとそれによるコンテンツの配布という文化は、Webの対話性の重要な要因であるが、従来のニュースのビジネスモデルに対する原子爆弾になっている”。そこで、粉々になった新聞業界を元の姿に戻すためには、この報告書によれば、コンテンツに課金し、Googleにそれを強制し、Kindleに関しては有料購読形式をAmazonとの交渉により取り付ける（Kindleは新聞対Googleの場合よりもさらに不正にコンテンツからお金を儲けているのだそうだ）。どうやらAPIの人たちは、ハンプティダンプティを実際に読んだことがないようだ。読んでいれば、元の姿に戻せないことを知ってるはずだから。 [...]

]]> By: A Plan To Save Newspapers | Blog YODspica Ltd http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2782090 A Plan To Save Newspapers | Blog YODspica Ltd Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:42:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2782090 [...] report suggests several models to implement paid content, including micropayments, subscriptions and hybrid models. Google is compared to an atom bomb that “blew up the content [...] [...] report suggests several models to implement paid content, including micropayments, subscriptions and hybrid models. Google is compared to an atom bomb that “blew up the content [...]

]]> By: The API’s Plan To Save Newspapers: Let’s Put Humpty Dumpty Back Together Again http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2782018 The API’s Plan To Save Newspapers: Let’s Put Humpty Dumpty Back Together Again Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:49:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2782018 [...] report suggests several models to implement paid content, including micropayments, subscriptions and hybrid models. Google is compared to an atom bomb that “blew up the content [...] [...] report suggests several models to implement paid content, including micropayments, subscriptions and hybrid models. Google is compared to an atom bomb that “blew up the content [...]

]]> By: Technical blogs with pictures and videos » The API’s Plan To Save Newspapers: Let’s Put Humpty Dumpty Back Together Again http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2781927 Technical blogs with pictures and videos » The API’s Plan To Save Newspapers: Let’s Put Humpty Dumpty Back Together Again Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:07:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2781927 [...] report suggests several models to implement paid content, including micropayments, subscriptions and hybrid models. Google is compared to an atom bomb that “blew up the content [...] [...] report suggests several models to implement paid content, including micropayments, subscriptions and hybrid models. Google is compared to an atom bomb that “blew up the content [...]

]]> By: The API’s Plan To Save Newspapers: Let’s Put Humpty Dumpty Back Together Again | YoGoG.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2781613 The API’s Plan To Save Newspapers: Let’s Put Humpty Dumpty Back Together Again | YoGoG.com Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:44:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2781613 [...] report suggests several models to implement paid content, including micropayments, subscriptions and hybrid models. Google is compared to an atom bomb that “blew up the content [...] [...] report suggests several models to implement paid content, including micropayments, subscriptions and hybrid models. Google is compared to an atom bomb that “blew up the content [...]

]]> By: The API’s Plan To Save Newspapers: Let’s Put Humpty Dumpty Back Together Again http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2781425 The API’s Plan To Save Newspapers: Let’s Put Humpty Dumpty Back Together Again Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:38:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2781425 [...] report suggests several models to implement paid content, including micropayments, subscriptions and hybrid models. Google is compared to an atom bomb that “blew up the content [...] [...] report suggests several models to implement paid content, including micropayments, subscriptions and hybrid models. Google is compared to an atom bomb that “blew up the content [...]

]]> By: Jacob http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2760558 Jacob Fri, 22 May 2009 02:10:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2760558 When news organizations put up paywalls, will you really choose to live in ignorance to stand on the principle that people who produce content should give it away for free? Don't tell me bloggers or Twitter will ever equal the New York Times or the Washington Post. That level of quality requires hundreds of full-time professionals, which people working for free simply cannot provide. Paper is obsolete as a delivery device. The professional news organization is still necessary. When news organizations put up paywalls, will you really choose to live in ignorance to stand on the principle that people who produce content should give it away for free?

Don’t tell me bloggers or Twitter will ever equal the New York Times or the Washington Post. That level of quality requires hundreds of full-time professionals, which people working for free simply cannot provide.

Paper is obsolete as a delivery device. The professional news organization is still necessary.

]]> By: Micropayments Won't Save Newspapers: TechCrunch | Kikabink News - Internet Marketing News http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2759007 Micropayments Won't Save Newspapers: TechCrunch | Kikabink News - Internet Marketing News Thu, 21 May 2009 04:00:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2759007 [...] Robin Wauters, “There We Go Again. No, Micropayments Won’t ‘Save Journalism’,&#8... Share and [...] [...] Robin Wauters, “There We Go Again. No, Micropayments Won’t ‘Save Journalism’,&#8… Share and [...]

]]> By: Chatura http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2757909 Chatura Wed, 20 May 2009 16:05:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2757909 Journalism, especially good investigative reporting, plays a large part in democracy and is fundamental in informing the public. Do newspapers need to be saved? Probably not. Do news organizations need to be saved? Yes, because you need people who are qualified to investigate and report the news. You need news organizations to pay for month long reports, reports that bloggers cannot do themselves because nobody is there to pay them. Its a profession that is required. Do they need cushy benefits? Probably not, but its not about saving the journalists so much as it is saving journalism. Not to mention, most pieces from bloggers are opinion pieces which themselves link back to original stories from newspaper (or similar) sites. If opinion pieces and commentary are the future of the news, we are all screwed. Journalism, especially good investigative reporting, plays a large part in democracy and is fundamental in informing the public. Do newspapers need to be saved? Probably not. Do news organizations need to be saved? Yes, because you need people who are qualified to investigate and report the news. You need news organizations to pay for month long reports, reports that bloggers cannot do themselves because nobody is there to pay them. Its a profession that is required. Do they need cushy benefits? Probably not, but its not about saving the journalists so much as it is saving journalism.

Not to mention, most pieces from bloggers are opinion pieces which themselves link back to original stories from newspaper (or similar) sites. If opinion pieces and commentary are the future of the news, we are all screwed.

]]> By: Chris Skoyles http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/18/there-we-go-again-no-micropayments-wont-save-journalism/comment-page-2/#comment-2757442 Chris Skoyles Wed, 20 May 2009 09:19:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=65612#comment-2757442 "I mean, who CAN’T write nowadays?" Lots of people. Though to be honest, it isn't so much about people being unable to write, it's more about people being unable to write 'well'. Even then, those that can write well and do so online are without the benefit of all the sundry proofers, subs et al employed by print media to ensure they're copy is as tight and error-free as possible. “I mean, who CAN’T write nowadays?”

Lots of people. Though to be honest, it isn’t so much about people being unable to write, it’s more about people being unable to write ‘well’.

Even then, those that can write well and do so online are without the benefit of all the sundry proofers, subs et al employed by print media to ensure they’re copy is as tight and error-free as possible.

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