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		<title>By: clueless</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2802147</link>
		<dc:creator>clueless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m new to this blog. Could you give me a couple of more clues about this 100+ mil fund?
Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m new to this blog. Could you give me a couple of more clues about this 100+ mil fund?<br />
Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2795171</link>
		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it a case of mistaken identity? The answer is NO.

Rebecca and all the people who care about this isse, If you probe into investment and commercial competitive relations between Sequoia capital (Mr. Fan Zhang whom Sara censured in her original post), google, Yahoo ( Yahoo China&#039;s CEO Mr. Jack Ma, co-hosts Tech Ticker on Yahoo! Finance Ms. Sarah Lacy), Qihoo ( chairman of Chinese search engine company Zhou Hongyi) and if you learned about some personal longstanding drudge between Jack Ma and Zhou Hongyi, it&#039;s not difficult for you to realize ultimately that Sara Lacy is a blinded-by-greed and inglorious rumormonger and her original censure on Mr. Fan Zhang is complete blasphemy to journalist&#039;s code of ethics. 

Sarah, I have to say your original post is really a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it a case of mistaken identity? The answer is NO.</p>
<p>Rebecca and all the people who care about this isse, If you probe into investment and commercial competitive relations between Sequoia capital (Mr. Fan Zhang whom Sara censured in her original post), google, Yahoo ( Yahoo China&#8217;s CEO Mr. Jack Ma, co-hosts Tech Ticker on Yahoo! Finance Ms. Sarah Lacy), Qihoo ( chairman of Chinese search engine company Zhou Hongyi) and if you learned about some personal longstanding drudge between Jack Ma and Zhou Hongyi, it&#8217;s not difficult for you to realize ultimately that Sara Lacy is a blinded-by-greed and inglorious rumormonger and her original censure on Mr. Fan Zhang is complete blasphemy to journalist&#8217;s code of ethics. </p>
<p>Sarah, I have to say your original post is really a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Iron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 09:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said David. I too suggest Sarah/Rebecca look into the misconduct of the white VC GP&#039;s conduct or misconduct in China, in both business and personal side. I bet you&#039;d find more shocking stories than you want to report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said David. I too suggest Sarah/Rebecca look into the misconduct of the white VC GP&#8217;s conduct or misconduct in China, in both business and personal side. I bet you&#8217;d find more shocking stories than you want to report.</p>
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		<title>By: Iron</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2768275</link>
		<dc:creator>Iron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 09:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the firm/guys you are talking about:-) My partner was invited to his xmas house warming party at a mansion on the peak worth 20 mil USD! Leased and fully staffed by the management company, for $2 mil/year! Now you are talking about the white boy&#039;s high rolling life in Asia :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the firm/guys you are talking about:-) My partner was invited to his xmas house warming party at a mansion on the peak worth 20 mil USD! Leased and fully staffed by the management company, for $2 mil/year! Now you are talking about the white boy&#8217;s high rolling life in Asia <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Fanin</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2762065</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Fanin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 00:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have interviewed 10 venture capital sources in Beijing in 2 days. Not one of them has ever heard of the wrongdoing that Sarah mentions in her tales of former Sequoia partner Fan Zhang. 
Must be a case of mistaken identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have interviewed 10 venture capital sources in Beijing in 2 days. Not one of them has ever heard of the wrongdoing that Sarah mentions in her tales of former Sequoia partner Fan Zhang.<br />
Must be a case of mistaken identity.</p>
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		<title>By: David Reinertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Reinertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalists in the print world print anonymous accusations. They just do. What makes a journalist useful is second-sourcing and a critical attitude. What makes him professional is the delicate phrasing which avoids lawsuits. What makes blogs different is the ability to &quot;unsay&quot; something online when your opinion changes. What makes a popular blog different is that the interest exists, as well as the ability, to retrieve caches for comparison, and see what you unsaid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalists in the print world print anonymous accusations. They just do. What makes a journalist useful is second-sourcing and a critical attitude. What makes him professional is the delicate phrasing which avoids lawsuits. What makes blogs different is the ability to &#8220;unsay&#8221; something online when your opinion changes. What makes a popular blog different is that the interest exists, as well as the ability, to retrieve caches for comparison, and see what you unsaid.</p>
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		<title>By: ouch</title>
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		<dc:creator>ouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 09:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that hurts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that hurts</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2758543</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 22:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am reposting here a comment i have now made 3 times on techcrunch in regards to this article. it has been deleted 3 times, and expect it will be deleted again once they realize it is there. techcrunch has also deleted several others, including one by a journalism professor, that were critical of the reporting.

i live in beijing. i find it sadly ironic that techcrunch publishes sensitive content, then removes that sensitive content and reposts it without acknowledging the changes, and then tries to stifle any discussion of the changes.

my oft-deleted comment from techcrunch:
I find it disturbing that this article has been reposted almost 48 hours after disappearing from TechCrunch within hours of its original publication. The only change appears to be the deletion of a sentence repeating libelous innuendo about a former Sequoia China partner. There is no mention of that specific change, just an “Update: I’ve updated this story based on conversations with additional sources.” If your lawyers are limiting you to saying only this then find a clever way to tell your readers. Don’t just hope no one notices.

There is no shortage of dirty doings in the investment business in China, but TechCrunch, as a publication with a massive audience, tremendous market power and aspirations to reputability, should know that you do not print allegations of criminal behavior based on rumors and hearsay. And you especially do not write those things without at least trying to contact the person about whom you are making these allegations.

Yes, you read that correctly. The author, an established reporter, never bothered to contact the former Sequoia partner in question before she wrote that he was dirty. He is very easy to find and at a dinner in Beijing last week at least three of the attendees have his number in our mobiles and could have given Ms. Lacy his phone number. But she wasn’t even trying to contact him. Again, that is not how credible journalists practice their craft.

In a tweet over the weekend @sarahcuda wrote “pretty surprised people who were *silent* in room when ppl said things about sequoia china are publicly calling me out for being unfair. ok.” http://twitter.com/sarahcuda/statuses/1819511453

As Ms. Lacy knows, I was one of the 8-9 people at the dinner in Beijing on Thursday night. She is the one who mentioned that Michael Moritz was in Beijing and that big changes were coming to Sequoia China. That comment spurred a discussion about Sequoia China among the party. Neither I nor any of the attendees with whom I have spoken remember any specific discussions about the partner in question, and especially nothing negative. In fact, she was told of Neil Shen’s reputation for being smart but very difficult to deal with, and of a BBS posting that circulated on the Chinese web a couple of years alleging all sorts of sketchy dealings between Shen and former Yahoo China head Zhou Hongyi.

We also discussed that the Sequoia China portfolio appears to have some companies in trouble, and the fact that their only public exit to date has been Asia Media, a company recently delisted in Tokyo for financial irregularities. Curiously, she addressed no questions about the partner in question to the dinner party. This group included several VCs, entrepreneurs and other people who have some knowledge about the topic of her article. After publication several of us were surprised that these allegations seemingly came out of left field.

So I don’t who she is calling silent or otherwise in her snarky way is inferring is a hypocrite. I didn’t follow the party to the Chocolate Club, so perhaps there were further conversations or moments of “silence” on this topic of which I am not aware.

TechCrunch should be better than this. Ms Lacy seems like a perfectly nice person, but this article is so poorly reported and unprofessionally written, and about such a serious issue (accusing a respected investor of being a criminal), that readers should wonder what kind of editorial standards are in place.

Full disclosure: I am acquainted with the former Sequoia partner but would not consider him a friend; he is good friends with a very good friend. More importantly, I don’t like bad journalism and believe very strongly that influential media organizations especially should not abuse their power and trust with sloppy work.

One more nitpick, I believe your fact checkers got the date of the Sequoia China partner’s departure wrong. My understanding is that he left at the end of 2008, not in February 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am reposting here a comment i have now made 3 times on techcrunch in regards to this article. it has been deleted 3 times, and expect it will be deleted again once they realize it is there. techcrunch has also deleted several others, including one by a journalism professor, that were critical of the reporting.</p>
<p>i live in beijing. i find it sadly ironic that techcrunch publishes sensitive content, then removes that sensitive content and reposts it without acknowledging the changes, and then tries to stifle any discussion of the changes.</p>
<p>my oft-deleted comment from techcrunch:<br />
I find it disturbing that this article has been reposted almost 48 hours after disappearing from TechCrunch within hours of its original publication. The only change appears to be the deletion of a sentence repeating libelous innuendo about a former Sequoia China partner. There is no mention of that specific change, just an “Update: I’ve updated this story based on conversations with additional sources.” If your lawyers are limiting you to saying only this then find a clever way to tell your readers. Don’t just hope no one notices.</p>
<p>There is no shortage of dirty doings in the investment business in China, but TechCrunch, as a publication with a massive audience, tremendous market power and aspirations to reputability, should know that you do not print allegations of criminal behavior based on rumors and hearsay. And you especially do not write those things without at least trying to contact the person about whom you are making these allegations.</p>
<p>Yes, you read that correctly. The author, an established reporter, never bothered to contact the former Sequoia partner in question before she wrote that he was dirty. He is very easy to find and at a dinner in Beijing last week at least three of the attendees have his number in our mobiles and could have given Ms. Lacy his phone number. But she wasn’t even trying to contact him. Again, that is not how credible journalists practice their craft.</p>
<p>In a tweet over the weekend @sarahcuda wrote “pretty surprised people who were *silent* in room when ppl said things about sequoia china are publicly calling me out for being unfair. ok.” <a href="http://twitter.com/sarahcuda/statuses/1819511453" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://twitter.com/sarahcuda/statuses/1819511453'>http://twitter....uses/1819511453</a></p>
<p>As Ms. Lacy knows, I was one of the 8-9 people at the dinner in Beijing on Thursday night. She is the one who mentioned that Michael Moritz was in Beijing and that big changes were coming to Sequoia China. That comment spurred a discussion about Sequoia China among the party. Neither I nor any of the attendees with whom I have spoken remember any specific discussions about the partner in question, and especially nothing negative. In fact, she was told of Neil Shen’s reputation for being smart but very difficult to deal with, and of a BBS posting that circulated on the Chinese web a couple of years alleging all sorts of sketchy dealings between Shen and former Yahoo China head Zhou Hongyi.</p>
<p>We also discussed that the Sequoia China portfolio appears to have some companies in trouble, and the fact that their only public exit to date has been Asia Media, a company recently delisted in Tokyo for financial irregularities. Curiously, she addressed no questions about the partner in question to the dinner party. This group included several VCs, entrepreneurs and other people who have some knowledge about the topic of her article. After publication several of us were surprised that these allegations seemingly came out of left field.</p>
<p>So I don’t who she is calling silent or otherwise in her snarky way is inferring is a hypocrite. I didn’t follow the party to the Chocolate Club, so perhaps there were further conversations or moments of “silence” on this topic of which I am not aware.</p>
<p>TechCrunch should be better than this. Ms Lacy seems like a perfectly nice person, but this article is so poorly reported and unprofessionally written, and about such a serious issue (accusing a respected investor of being a criminal), that readers should wonder what kind of editorial standards are in place.</p>
<p>Full disclosure: I am acquainted with the former Sequoia partner but would not consider him a friend; he is good friends with a very good friend. More importantly, I don’t like bad journalism and believe very strongly that influential media organizations especially should not abuse their power and trust with sloppy work.</p>
<p>One more nitpick, I believe your fact checkers got the date of the Sequoia China partner’s departure wrong. My understanding is that he left at the end of 2008, not in February 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: LEF</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2757267</link>
		<dc:creator>LEF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 07:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d suggest Sarah look into the white boys&#039; adventure in China, which should be far more shocking! (Bruno, I am not talking about you.)
 
For example, at a 100+ Mil fund affiliated with a well known fortune100 company, there are three white GP who collectively did only one deal in the past three years, but cheated their LP/Chinese partners millions of dollars in fees and future earning by charging multimillion dollars per year &quot;housing-car-hardship allowances&quot;, &quot;professional service fees&quot;, and five star VIP travel accommodations all over the world! These are the audited financial facts. When you get into personal level, that&#039;s where the adventure starts! - We will leave that to the tabloid journalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d suggest Sarah look into the white boys&#8217; adventure in China, which should be far more shocking! (Bruno, I am not talking about you.)</p>
<p>For example, at a 100+ Mil fund affiliated with a well known fortune100 company, there are three white GP who collectively did only one deal in the past three years, but cheated their LP/Chinese partners millions of dollars in fees and future earning by charging multimillion dollars per year &#8220;housing-car-hardship allowances&#8221;, &#8220;professional service fees&#8221;, and five star VIP travel accommodations all over the world! These are the audited financial facts. When you get into personal level, that&#8217;s where the adventure starts! &#8211; We will leave that to the tabloid journalists.</p>
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		<title>By: Finance Geek » What Happened To TechCrunch&#8217;s Sequoia China Bribery Allegation?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2753894</link>
		<dc:creator>Finance Geek » What Happened To TechCrunch&#8217;s Sequoia China Bribery Allegation?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over the weekend, TechCrunch briefly published and then deleted a post called&#160; &#8220;Is Sequoia China in Trouble?&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Over the weekend, TechCrunch briefly published and then deleted a post called&nbsp; &#8220;Is Sequoia China in Trouble?&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch stealthily retracts most serious Sequoia China claims &#124; CNReviews</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2753767</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch stealthily retracts most serious Sequoia China claims &#124; CNReviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a comment on the TechCrunch post, Bill (@niubi) makes a case for a different approach: Re-posting a comment [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a comment on the TechCrunch post, Bill (@niubi) makes a case for a different approach: Re-posting a comment [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2753688</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 13:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, sarah lacy makes it very clear that she is a journalist. she should have higher standards. see her bio here: http://sarahlacy.typepad.com/sarahlacy/about.html

&quot;Sarah Lacy is an award winning journalist and author of the upcoming book, &quot;Once You&#039;re Lucky, Twice You&#039;re Good: The Rebirth of Silicon Valley and the Rise of Web 2.0&quot; (Gotham Books, May 2008). Lacy has been a reporter in Silicon Valley for nearly a decade, covering everything from the tiniest startups to the largest public companies. She writes a biweekly column for BusinessWeek.com called &quot;Valley Girl&quot; and is co-host of Yahoo! Finance&#039;s Tech Ticker. She lives in San Francisco.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, sarah lacy makes it very clear that she is a journalist. she should have higher standards. see her bio here: <a href="http://sarahlacy.typepad.com/sarahlacy/about.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://sarahlacy.typepad.com/sarahlacy/about.html'>http://sarahlac...lacy/about.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Sarah Lacy is an award winning journalist and author of the upcoming book, &#8220;Once You&#8217;re Lucky, Twice You&#8217;re Good: The Rebirth of Silicon Valley and the Rise of Web 2.0&#8243; (Gotham Books, May 2008). Lacy has been a reporter in Silicon Valley for nearly a decade, covering everything from the tiniest startups to the largest public companies. She writes a biweekly column for BusinessWeek.com called &#8220;Valley Girl&#8221; and is co-host of Yahoo! Finance&#8217;s Tech Ticker. She lives in San Francisco.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original story wasn&#039;t pulled because Techcrunch was protecting Sequoia, it was pulled because there was a statement about Zhang Fan that began &quot;I’ve now talked to close to twenty sources in the venture scene in Beijing and Shanghai who say...&quot;

What followed was gossip at best, slander at worst. This re-post removed the language but should begin with an apology to Zhang Fan and Techcrunch readers for failing to uphold a better standard.

This was bad for all parties involved (and professional bloggers in general) and I can understand not wanting to draw attention to it immediately since it would only further hurt the the subjects of the story. Very soon, however, Techcrunch needs to address this - and do better than rewrite stories without explanation.

And an appropriate next assignment for Sarah might be the importance of face and guangxi in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original story wasn&#8217;t pulled because Techcrunch was protecting Sequoia, it was pulled because there was a statement about Zhang Fan that began &#8220;I’ve now talked to close to twenty sources in the venture scene in Beijing and Shanghai who say&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What followed was gossip at best, slander at worst. This re-post removed the language but should begin with an apology to Zhang Fan and Techcrunch readers for failing to uphold a better standard.</p>
<p>This was bad for all parties involved (and professional bloggers in general) and I can understand not wanting to draw attention to it immediately since it would only further hurt the the subjects of the story. Very soon, however, Techcrunch needs to address this &#8211; and do better than rewrite stories without explanation.</p>
<p>And an appropriate next assignment for Sarah might be the importance of face and guangxi in China.</p>
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		<title>By: what what in the</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2753447</link>
		<dc:creator>what what in the</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 09:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China? They&#039;re closing down the SF office they just leased not too long ago I heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China? They&#8217;re closing down the SF office they just leased not too long ago I heard.</p>
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		<title>By: lemon obrien</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2753340</link>
		<dc:creator>lemon obrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 06:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>investing in businesses with real models; i get the BS, and i know asians, they don&#039;t BS; and they&#039;re not stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>investing in businesses with real models; i get the BS, and i know asians, they don&#8217;t BS; and they&#8217;re not stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="501531270">Xin Chen</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2753269</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="501531270">Xin Chen</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happened to read the earlier version of this post that contained the comments regarding Sequoia China&#039;s former partner Zhang Fan. I had several meeting with Zhang.  In my mind, he is straight forward , honest man who has acute perspectives on internet business and yet is very encouraging when speaking with entrepreneurs.  He is nothing like what the original post described based on my personal experience. I highly doubted Sarah&#039;s sources on this one. BTW He didn&#039;t invested my company, but I have to agree with his decision looking back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened to read the earlier version of this post that contained the comments regarding Sequoia China&#8217;s former partner Zhang Fan. I had several meeting with Zhang.  In my mind, he is straight forward , honest man who has acute perspectives on internet business and yet is very encouraging when speaking with entrepreneurs.  He is nothing like what the original post described based on my personal experience. I highly doubted Sarah&#8217;s sources on this one. BTW He didn&#8217;t invested my company, but I have to agree with his decision looking back.</p>
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		<title>By: skippy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2753124</link>
		<dc:creator>skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 01:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call it great, but congradulations on finally writing a post where you didn&#039;t go on and on about yourself. You&#039;re now almost qualified to apply to journalism school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it great, but congradulations on finally writing a post where you didn&#8217;t go on and on about yourself. You&#8217;re now almost qualified to apply to journalism school.</p>
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		<title>By: bruno</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2753100</link>
		<dc:creator>bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 01:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>strangely, the story was deleted from the home page overnight on saturday (while other stories stayed). Is techcrunch in conflict of interest in publishing the story too openly? happy to see they covered KPCB as well, and highlighted the corruption issue with VCs in china. FINALLY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>strangely, the story was deleted from the home page overnight on saturday (while other stories stayed). Is techcrunch in conflict of interest in publishing the story too openly? happy to see they covered KPCB as well, and highlighted the corruption issue with VCs in china. FINALLY!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...except for the fact that you are NOT talking to journalists... these are just... BLOGGERS, all of them here. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;except for the fact that you are NOT talking to journalists&#8230; these are just&#8230; BLOGGERS, all of them here. <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, JP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, JP.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is very true. The only reason why central planning exists is: it allows the centralized falsification of EVERYTHiNG, including the economic data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is very true. The only reason why central planning exists is: it allows the centralized falsification of EVERYTHiNG, including the economic data.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2751843</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not invited &#039;to play in it&#039;, instead THEY will be playing in your 19-th century (which is equivalent to &#039;obsolete&#039;) culture. They are doing that already if you didn&#039;t notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are not invited &#8216;to play in it&#8217;, instead THEY will be playing in your 19-th century (which is equivalent to &#8216;obsolete&#8217;) culture. They are doing that already if you didn&#8217;t notice.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFL.
VC biz is a PROFESSIONAL BS and kickbacks and bribery. People made it their PROFESSION, what do you want from them after that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFL.<br />
VC biz is a PROFESSIONAL BS and kickbacks and bribery. People made it their PROFESSION, what do you want from them after that?</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/15/is-sequoia-china-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-2751830</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can go to China looking for the analogy to the Web 2.0 Valley. Meeting at the starbucks or bookworm and people will expertly feed you that story.  They&#039;ll dazzle you with huge traffic growth (falsified data) and localized twists on social behavior with the occasional &quot;look how bizarre&quot; China is anecdote thrown in.  

You miss the real story:
The innovation of underground social networks instantly translating movies, of advanced P2P networks for streaming video long before joost, of working around a fragmented network system or creating marketing websites that work; and the immense innovation in combining offline and online marketing and events.  That&#039;s just the start.

Take ctrip.com, the travel site mentioned above.  Online travel? Sure...except it does most of its business through a call center, most of its advertising through pamphlets at train stations and its &quot;CDN&quot; are a bunch of people on bicycles.  The internet makes it work, but not like in the U.S...

Similarly, one can scoff at the corruption or graft; but that again misses the point.  The innovation is in working in a different set of rules and constraints.

The process of innovation is the same.  The parameters are fundamentally different.  That&#039;s what the failed foreign ventures miss.

I&#039;ve been lucky enough to spend three years living in Beijing working with a fantastic team creating innovative online products.  Everyone is devoted to using new technologies to make the world a better place.  Most importantly, everyone has the patience to really understand the underlying cultural differences that make this world an interesting place.

I know that journalism works well with &quot;analogies&quot; or &quot;gotcha&#039;s&quot;...but this is exactly what is causing such misunderstandings and hindrance to progress in the first place.  With thousands of years of a different history there isn&#039;t analogies between China and the West.  There is, however, the shared human emotions and reasonings enacted through a different vantage point.

That&#039;s the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can go to China looking for the analogy to the Web 2.0 Valley. Meeting at the starbucks or bookworm and people will expertly feed you that story.  They&#8217;ll dazzle you with huge traffic growth (falsified data) and localized twists on social behavior with the occasional &#8220;look how bizarre&#8221; China is anecdote thrown in.  </p>
<p>You miss the real story:<br />
The innovation of underground social networks instantly translating movies, of advanced P2P networks for streaming video long before joost, of working around a fragmented network system or creating marketing websites that work; and the immense innovation in combining offline and online marketing and events.  That&#8217;s just the start.</p>
<p>Take ctrip.com, the travel site mentioned above.  Online travel? Sure&#8230;except it does most of its business through a call center, most of its advertising through pamphlets at train stations and its &#8220;CDN&#8221; are a bunch of people on bicycles.  The internet makes it work, but not like in the U.S&#8230;</p>
<p>Similarly, one can scoff at the corruption or graft; but that again misses the point.  The innovation is in working in a different set of rules and constraints.</p>
<p>The process of innovation is the same.  The parameters are fundamentally different.  That&#8217;s what the failed foreign ventures miss.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been lucky enough to spend three years living in Beijing working with a fantastic team creating innovative online products.  Everyone is devoted to using new technologies to make the world a better place.  Most importantly, everyone has the patience to really understand the underlying cultural differences that make this world an interesting place.</p>
<p>I know that journalism works well with &#8220;analogies&#8221; or &#8220;gotcha&#8217;s&#8221;&#8230;but this is exactly what is causing such misunderstandings and hindrance to progress in the first place.  With thousands of years of a different history there isn&#8217;t analogies between China and the West.  There is, however, the shared human emotions and reasonings enacted through a different vantage point.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 13:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China is on the verge of collapse. How do you grow the GDP of an export dependent nation at 8% while exports have shrunk by 22%?

Answer: Catastrophic misallocation of capital. 

If that&#039;s not the case, then they are falsifying numbers big time. Their stimulus is still not a factor as it hasn&#039;t hit the economy yet (and it&#039;s not big enough to make up the difference anyway). 

China&#039;s in big trouble dudes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China is on the verge of collapse. How do you grow the GDP of an export dependent nation at 8% while exports have shrunk by 22%?</p>
<p>Answer: Catastrophic misallocation of capital. </p>
<p>If that&#8217;s not the case, then they are falsifying numbers big time. Their stimulus is still not a factor as it hasn&#8217;t hit the economy yet (and it&#8217;s not big enough to make up the difference anyway). </p>
<p>China&#8217;s in big trouble dudes.</p>
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