An Independent (& Tennessee Born)

Shouldn’t we welcome warm weather then?

Why the hullaballoo now?
It is fashionable to talk of Carbon Emissions.

Tell me this – When a Volcano Erupts – Zillions of more times Carbon Emission happens than humans will ever contribute.

Global Cooling, Global Warming, Ice Age, Warm Age – these are just natural cycles.

Sit back and relax.

Follow the money, people. This is one of the biggest ‘duhs’ of all time.

My point was that theories should be allowed to be challenged that’s the only way you can verify their accuracy and improve upon them. That’s what scientists are called to do instead of blindly accepting them without question thereby promoting dogma. The suppression of speech and arguments that are counter to a popular theory only contributes to further spreading that dogma. Again, global warming is a theory and like all theories it doesn’t hold true 100% of the time. However, by challenging it we can advance our understanding/technology but by not challenging it we don’t. It’s just that simple.

What hysteria are you talking about? Climate change?

Why don’t you wake up from denial?

How many times would you say we should debate this thing? I really don’t see what issue you’d like to debate.

You doubt the human connection with climate change? How can you?

We know CO2 levels have gone up. No one disputes that.
We know CO2 and other gases in increased quantities warm the earth. No one disputes that.
We know that human activities are burning tons and tons of CO2 releasing materials – coal, petroleum, natural gas…. No one disputes that.

Sorry what part do you want to debate exactly?

What do you suppose is happening to the CO2 release when we burn coal and oil if not going into the atmosphere?

If he is keeping the carry, then Al Gore most certainly stands to benefit from the green investments.

The answer is yes. He lied when he said that everything he makes goes to charity. Who pays for his mansion and his private plane? Thirty years advocating warming? Come on – this guy is a liar and a fraud, and he gives actually Green citizens a bad name.

In any case, “throwing doubts” on any theory (such as AGW) is not the same as coming up with a defensible alternative theory. All theory has “outlier” data which may (for some reason) not conform to the prediction. As my HS physics teacher told us, the value of any theory is it’s ability to predict. The “human generated greenhouse gas correlates with higher global average temperature” theory (as described by James Hansen in 1988) is predicting the reality better than any of the alternative theories. For more specifics:
http://pubs.gis...sen_etal_1.html

Asking of a theory that it be “100% proven” is a straw man argument – it only has to predict better than the alternatives.

Also – for any of you who would like to step out of the political, ad-hominem, insult ridden realm and learn about the real, scientific discussions on the details of climate, I recommend realclimate.org.

So yeah it’s time for some dissent but let others have their say.

Also, whether or not one believes in global warming misses the point as either way global warming is just one possible outcome of too much air pollution.

The Real Questions:
Are auto exhausts and industrial emissions preventable pollutants? And, are they good or bad for human health and ecosystems?

If you argue, as some have done here, that they are Not pollutants you can prove that by sealing yourslf into a garage, or confined space, and keep a gas powered automotive engine running.
And why not stream it LIVE online?

Upon seeing the results of this ‘experiment’ I think most people who are ‘on the fence’ will conclude that they are indeed pollutants.

Then the question becomes what are we going to do about it? Argue about a possible outcome, and not limit emissions to transition off mass air polluting energy sources.

Or, act upon a known outcome that these polluting emissions, in a confined space -like our atmosphere, will increasingly kill people –as population, car ownership and emissions steadily increase.

Also, I might add, like in the garage experiment… it won’t be the ‘warming scenario’ that kills you first.

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“Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore left the White House seven years ago with less than $2 million in assets, including a Virginia home and the family farm in Tennessee. Now he’s making enough to put $35 million in hedge funds and other private partnerships.

Gore invested the money with Capricorn Investment Group LLC, a Palo Alto, California, firm that selects the private funds for clients and invests in makers of environmentally friendly products, according to a Feb. 1 securities filing. Capricorn was founded by billionaire Jeffrey Skoll, former president of EBay Inc. and an executive producer of Gore’s Oscar-winning documentary film on global warming.”

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