Feel Like Shaking A Baby To Death? There’s An App For That.
by MG Siegler on April 22, 2009

Okay, this is just beyond ridiculous and a bit horrifying. In Apple’s App Store right now is Baby Shaker, a new app which, displays a picture of a baby and plays crying sounds. To make it stop, you have to shake your iPhone really hard, after which the crying will stop and two X’s will be placed over the baby’s eyes — implying, of course, that the baby is dead. I’m not kidding.

Apple has approved a lot of questionable apps since the App Store launched last summer. A few I recall include the $1,000 app that did nothing (which Apple later pulled), the app that keeps track of multiple girlfriends’ menstrual cycles, a fart one that took things a step farther to actually show the anus, and now this, which is without question the least tasteful yet. If Apple had a completely open App Store, in which anyone could submit anything and have it approved, that would be one thing. But it obviously does not. Instead, apps featuring tiny elements like icons that somewhat resemble an iPhone get rejected. Yet somehow, this gets through.

A woman whose son was injured after being shaken by his father brought the app to CNET’s attention. And rightfully so.

I have the conversation at least once a week now: Apple need to revamp its App Store approval process, it simply isn’t working. And the problems will only get worse as it continues to grow in size. There are too many good apps that get rejected for seemingly no good reason at all. And too many ones that should be rejected, that get through.

I’ll save you the $0.99 cents and show you what exactly this app is in the video below.

Update: As a few commenters note below, it looks like the app has already been pulled. You can still search for it, but can’t download it.

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  • That’s horrible, they need to disapprove that app ASAP!!

    • That’s in really bad taste, shouldn’t have got through.

    • Yep, looks like they pulled it.,

    • I’m not sure which is more tasteless, the app itself or writing about it and giving them free publicity?

      • I think it deserves coverage, Apple’s review process makes it really hard for legit / useful apps to get through the process at times for small reasons like icons similar to one of their own or resembling an iPhone and then they go ahead and approve something like this…

        Covering the issue isn’t going to make people think Shaking Babies is suddenly OK but is going to expose issues with Apple’s process and policies with regards to the app store.

      • I’m halfway inclined to agree but at the same time, it does seem to shine a light on Apple’s seemingly random standards for approving and rejecting apps.

        Disgusting app, btw.

      • Yeah, what Mike said, and the coverage no doubt played a role in Apple pulling it so quickly.

      • @protwit

        Considering MG posted a video showing what the app does, he has prevented thousands of curious people from downloading it. The coverage prevented the developer from earning revenue and also helped in getting the app. pulled, I’m sure. Calling out MG seems a bit tasteless in this instance.

      • Oh grow up. If he hadn’t written it, how would you know it happened? Don’t attack the person reporting.

        I swear people like you do not need a computer.

        • oh Grow up yourself you’re all sick for thinking ill of this program, on no shaking my ipod kills babies

          pathetic how can you let a little program bother you Its not real retards it’s alright when theres applications that allow you to kill binladen but oh no not babies the horror!

          i’m pretty sure if it was binladen as a baby you assholes wouldn’t bitch and moan about it grow up ><

          • It does not matter whether it is real or not. My Godson passed away from this. His father could not handle the pressure and shook my 5 month old godson. We celebrated his 1st birthday at his graveside this year. And it does matter even if it was someone like binladen. It is not funny no matter who is the person in the situation and in the app. It still hurts what that man did to my godson, and just because it isnt real, doesnt mean it doesnt happen. It is very offensive, and hurts worse when people out there are finding this app funny.

      • Or even someone named protwit weighing in about the veracity of the reportage.

        that’s it folks… the internet has eaten itself. Go home.

    • Murder simulators are not constitutionally protected speech. Theyre not even speech. Theyre dangerous physical appliances that teach a kid how to kill efficiently and to love it

      • You wuss. Murder Sims? Ugh.

      • “Murder simulators are not constitutionally protected speech. Theyre not even speech. Theyre dangerous physical appliances that teach a kid how to kill efficiently and to love it”

        Don’t be silly. Have you ever played a first person shooter? They are clearly murder simulators.

        Let’s ban all violent video games!! (blah blah blah)

      • “Murder simulators are not constitutionally protected speech. Theyre not even speech. Theyre dangerous physical appliances that teach a kid how to kill efficiently and to love it.”

        Huh?

        “Want to know how to kill your neighbor’s baby, kid? Shake an iPhone really hard.”

        Yes, that will cause all sorts of mayhem.

      • Yay! Murder in a digital form so I don’t have to do it for real! Where are my digital drugs and beer?

        Repeat- the internet has eaten itself. go home.

    • This is a horrible app. I can’t believe some heartless person licensed this thing.. It’s sick and needs to be removed.. I will continue to complain until I hear word it is.. I am 3 months pregnant with my 2nd child and this makes me sick to my stomach just thinking of the person who came up with this..

      • Personally, I think babies are annoying. Did you know that a baby’s cry is designed to get on a person’s nerves? I’m not saying I’d buy that application, but I’m betting that its programmer was just some very frustrated relative of a baby, or someone who had sat on an eight hour flight next to one for too long, snapped, made an application and posted it for no real reason other than “hey I made it I might turn over a profit.” That doesn’t make the person heartless. He or she might have a significant other as far as we know. That’s a huge assumption to make and I’m not sure it is deserved.

        I’m not saying the app’s not in bad taste and what not, but I’d imagine that there are far far worse applications on the world wide web. I have to agree with Sam here about that.

        This is hardly newsworthy, it’s two-bit sensationalism that is easy to publish. If we’re focusing on children, why not cover something important, like child labor abroad or child soldiers or baby snatching or selling? Those all seem much more horrible to deal with that people have the right to know about.

        Also, I think it’s absolutely horrible of you to use your baby as a weapon against Apple as you complain to your heart’s desire. I can see how it’s tangentially connected to the topic at hand, but seriously… you might as well have shackled a baby’s ankle to the end of a mace. why are you continuing to complain when Apple has already pulled the product that they themselves did not release?

        As far as the menstrual cycles thing, that’s a very useful application. When it says “multiple girlfriends” does it mean “multiple women”? If so, why not just set it up for your wife, daughter, and coworkers and lady friends so you know when to stay out of their way or not ask them to do anything strenuous if their period hits them hard? Someone can use that application for a good and considerate use if one bothered.

        I’m not here to offend people, just to give a little sense of perspective.

        • you were a baby once, annoying the hell out of a lot of people I’m sure. Looks like not much has changed…

        • Oh I know I was a baby once- everyone here was one at some point (and some people continue to be) and I thought that this was obvious. But my parents had the good sense not to put me on a plane or movie theater, or to use me in arguments that were only tangentially related, so my existence was not much of an annoyance to others, unlike you are now because you’re projecting. The phrase “Growing up is optional” is not a right, it is a privilege, and it seems that you are abusing it. I’m not defending the application, I’m defending the creator from unjust accusations of his or her morality and challenging the publisher of the article for doing cheap cop-out journalism. Excuse me if I annoy you with the fact that there are far worse things to get upset over. If you don’t want to know what they are, take your fingers off of the keyboard, plug up your ears and cover your eyes. I’m sure that everybody would benefit from that.

          • I also think babies are annoying. And what’s so different about killing babies from killing aliens or enemy soldiers?

        • No- don’t back down. You are right. Babies are insufferable- and only half as much as their parents.

          Oh an by the way- you are trying to have sensible discourse on the internet. You do see the fundamental flaw in this, correct?

      • shut the fuck up u stupid fucking skank

    • Sucks, men!!! What are these apps supposed to impart to us? Make psychopaths or serial killers of us? When will Apple listen to all this? MG, thanks for bringing this up. At least people know that such horrific things exist in the Apple castle.

      • Oh, get over yourself. Seriously. Why not get offended at games that depict our “heroic US armed forces” being killed, or any other, numerous, fabricated video atrocity. Why not get mad at CBS for airing a CSI episode where they actually SHOW a baby getting shaken?

        But hell, you’re right, let’s light the torches and head to the library. The book burning starts at noon.

        P.S. there is absolutely NO scientific evidence that video violence transfers into real life violence. If you chose to dispute this, you are required to post cites from a peer reviewed journal. And be prepared to be spanked.

    • What were they thinking??? Just the thought of it makes me want to PUKE…. They could’ve called it the “Rump-Shaker” or something, but a BABY? What were they smoking?

    • Such an application has actually been developed as part of a training-program to teach young Mothers not to shake their babys to death.
      Young Parents may overreact when stressed and try to shake their baby fast to quiet it.
      This (or a similar) application shows the Mother, that a real baby would already have taken damage.
      See: http://en.wikip...n_baby_syndrome

      So this application was desinged to save young lives!
      It is only “tasteless” if you take it out of context!

  • Awesome. I am going to buy an iPhone just for that.

    Or maybe two of them so could play with two hands.

    Why’ve you downloaded that anyway? Curiosity?

  • These guys are sick bastards. Nice feel good app to feed the new evil empire – apple.

  • wow. unimpressive technologically, but still gets the point across.

  • Thanks for this — and for saving many idly curious the .99.

    You put it well and concisely. If APPL prides itself on being responsive, and does so many other things so well — why the massive blind spot in the Apps store? They must’ve imagined they’d make money from it, is the conclusion I reach — the middle one, in between “wow they are sick” and “wow they’re not paying attention.”

    Where’s the #APPLFail Twitter meme? hmmm.

    Good post.

    • I really doubt it’s about the money Merredith, I’m sure the approver of this one just overlooked it. And that’s been a problem in the past, and the entire process is uneven, which needs to be fixed in a market that’s becoming big business.

      • Was that an excuse. I’m sure it was just a simple mistake, nobody should be held responsible for such a mistake. Certainly not Apple.

        • Its definitely not an excuse. When you approve something, you hold responsibility for the whole thing – its cause and effect, including. How could someone have overlooked an apps like this just like that? Though Apple may not be wholly responsible, it indeed holds major responsibility.

    • must have been a pretty creepy person who wrote the app…. However, I think Apple’s reason for banning any app should be nothing other than technical like said, taking the network down or it is a virus. Bad taste cant be a reason to block an application or else they end up having to become a moral police (even though I cant imagine any one would protesting not approving this app.).

      • That’s bullshit SA. They have, and should have, the right to refuse any app that is unequivocally repugnant. Child murder simulators clearly fall in this category. Would you have the same laissez faire attitude if it were a rape app or an Islamic extremist propaganda/recruitment app?The problem for apple is that by having the process it does, when it approves apps for sale, it is implicitly condoning the app’s content & purpose.

        • how about something less extreme, say something an anti-abortion or pro-abortion app that is in bad taste… should Apple ban that as well because 50% of the people find it offensive… or should they bad the app because it is political in nature and they dont support political in nature? where do you draw the line?

          I think living in a civilized society we got to have rules and our actions should have consqeuences… I am equally distrubed by the person who wrote this app and I think the person needs conselling but this is just like saying I am going to close my eyes and ears and the world suddenly becomes a good place to live?

        • @SA Last time I checked, child murder wasn’t a political issue. I’m pretty sure 99.99% of the population of any ‘civilized society’ would condemn such behaviour. The remainder should probably be in prison or in a psych inst.

          As a85 said, your argument is bollocks.

        • seriously? You guys are upset over a game? sure it’s horrific, but do you really expect someone to go out and kill babies after this? It’s a game. David, anti-abortion activists call abortion child murder, which is a political issue. The person probably has a dark sense of humor, but that doesn’t make them deranged, it means you don’t find it funny. Don’t like it? Don’t buy it and it will go away on it’s own. The only reason this is of any importance is because it’s a reason to get apple to open up their draconian hold over their product selection process. I love how the creators are making tons of money off of all the people checking out their website which is chock full of google ads. Are we going to be mad at google now too?

        • “They have, and should have, the right to refuse any app that is unequivocally repugnant.”

          Who appointed you the final say in what is “unequivocal?” The idea that this is unequivocal is absurd, especially in light of the fact that many posters even in this limited forum had no problem with the app. Oh yeah, I forgot, as stated elsewhere, the book burning begins at noon.

          “Would you have the same laissez faire attitude if it were a rape app or an Islamic extremist propaganda/recruitment app?”

          Um yes, but nice try with the appeal to emotion logical fallacy.

          “The problem for apple is that by having the process it does, when it approves apps for sale, it is implicitly condoning the app’s content & purpose.”

          What a load of bull. If Apple’s terms are “we reject apps only for technical grounds,” then app approval is not tacit moral approval of anything (unless of course your audience has the emotional maturity of a 3 year old.)

          It is this same ridiculous, immature, knee-jerk, infantile attitude that made Time kowtow and pull the Bin Laden as man of the year cover. Never mind that the title was designed to go to anyone who made news, good or bad, and not to laud them, or that any number of nefarious individuals had previously been named by Time as man of the year. In this McCarthyesque time we live in, it is a race to the intellectual lowest common denominator.
          Next on your agenda, burn all film noir.

      • i guess next comes the app on how to kill your mother while she sleep,yes there to be a stop of this
        kind of stuff ! someone that say hay this is not funny
        it’s sick and i won’t have !

  • Absolutely riddiculous. We wrote an app that allows people to sign a “Get Well” card thru their iPhone for Steve Jobs, stores the image as a pixel on the card’s site, donates 80% to cancercare.org and then gets rejected TWICE (we pulled the “Jobs” out), and THIS passess?!! C’mon!

    • Probably it was Steve doing the approval of the App. Remember he denied he daughter and lied about being the father. Maybe this app was his entertainment.

      • Hmmm….maybe (we did track 4 different ip’s across two seperate locations in CA). It’s disturbing as a developer to have something that was executed REALLY well, had great functionality, and was for a legitimite cause to be denied, then see something like this get posted.

  • My god, is this for real? :|

  • silicon valley dropout (@silvaldropout) - April 22nd, 2009 at 1:01 pm PDT

    dump app but should go viral. dumb sells

  • This is absolutely horrible. I wonder if the author of this is making some sort of twisted sick comment on the App store?

  • Just tried to see it on the app store, and it’s now “unavailable”. I think they’re in the process of removing it, thankfully.

  • Wow cool app! I’d buy it for a dollar.

  • Stop the whimpering or I will shake you!

    Anybody who protests needs to pause for a moment (for incurable hypochrites tend to have logorrheic sermons so it may take a while, if ever— yes I mean YOU) and reach into a hidden corner of their memory banks: wailing babies, protesting toddlers can get on your nerves…

    Censorship: no thanks!
    Good taste: in moderation.

  • Wow, this is beyond disturbing. Apple needs to pull that one, pronto.

  • Looks like Apple has removed it from the store or they are not allowing you to download it. I keep getting an error saying the item you’ve requested is not available. Possibly too many hits on it now as well…

  • Thats is plain and simply fucked up!

  • Why is this sick, when ego-shooters are ok???

  • Hello boys and girls, and you say Class Action?

  • Andy, class actions are really only for situations where the plaintiffs have been harmed in some way. Other than being horribly offended, I don’t think any of us can claim harm or damage. That being said, I think this is beyond tasteless and Apple needs to do something about it (and improve its review processes).

  • The developer should be ashamed. Must be 10 years old.

    The developer’s email address:
    sikalosoft@gmail.com

    The website:
    http://sites.go...Home/BabyShaker

  • According to the website, someone named Alex Talbot is maintaining it.

    Really a sick app.

  • I’m a dickhead and a sick fucking bastard, but this is even too much for me. Fuck Apple.

  • Is this app hurting anyone? Do you think that parents may see it and start shaking their babies like that?

    Given that it’s not causing any harm, and than you can simply choose NOT to buy it, please keep your moral values to yourselves. Your censorship is limiting my freedom.

    Whatever the case, you just made the creator of this clearly idiotic application lots of money. “Featured in TechCrunch!”

    • … And your freedom is harming children. Regulation exists for a reason. Heard of the gfc?

      • How is it harming children? Please, elaborate.

        • [Dave] can’t comment, because reason isn’t part of his makeup.

          The game itself does not harm children. Only physical *humans* are capable of harming children. Dave wants to impose his immoral beliefs on the world, because, hey, they work for him, so they must be perfect and therefore *everyone* should obey DaveRules. That’s why we have a government, to enforce rules on people who would otherwise think they were living freely. Can’t be having that.

  • Censorship is lame. If you don’t like baby shaking applications, don’t buy them.

  • It’s stupid and yet fun. Get over it. “Oh no people will see this and start shaking babies” Uh yeah, just like how I went out a bought a sword and killed people after playing video games, and joined the mafia after watching movies.

    • agreed, The “false outrage” on this page is hilarious. The app harmed no one, it doesn’t encourage shaking babies, the baby stops crying then dies. Which seems to be the point of the campaign against people shaking babies, is that the morons out there don’t seem to get that it kills them. Surprisingly, there are people out there dumber than the folks that post here.

      Heck, this app is practically educational. Tasteless, but educational. The upside is that this issue probably will get more press and create more awareness about these tragedies than the “tasteless” billboards lining our interstate highway system on the subject. have any of you seen them? They depict someone SHAKING A BABY. Probably encourages it.

      But for those of you who still need a false outrage fix, apparently a groundscrew member at Wrigley Field picked up a cat by the tail…

      The HORROR, the HORROR!!!!

  • I usually don’t comment much, but this just hit a nerve and I can’t imagine why anyone would create such an app. Apple remove ASAP!

  • The outrage against this app is retarded, speaking of something else that might happen to a baby after it has been shaken.

    Do you really think people are aware, while they are shaking an actual baby, that it might die? Have you considering the possibility that this app might save a baby’s life?

    Imagine some guy with anger management problems gets exposed to this application long enough for that connection to sink in. The next time his toddler’s crying throws him into a fit of rage, he doesn’t shake it because he now knows what will happen, and the kid lives.

    If this scenario is even a remote possibility, perhaps everyone who is seriously concerned about baby shaking should start a fund to give the app away for free.

    • That really is tenuous at best, Sean.

      And what is it with the obsession with censorship? I appreciate that once you start censoring anything there is potentially no end, but we’re assuming a little too much common sense on the part of all app buyers if we don’t worry about apps of this nature.

      Besides, the point that MG, and other posts, have made is that Apple’s policy on approving apps means that they are expressly condoning anything you can buy in the store. Take that a step further and it stops being censorship and becomes simply a choice of what a corporate entity decides to endorse, or not.

      In this case, they got it very wrong.

      • And that is a stupid policy, and censorship, and the reason it annoys people. And why is it any better if it just their corporate policy to be moralistic asses, anyway?

        BTW, your central tenet is flawed. Their policy in no way makes their approval and express condolence of the things bought in the store. Please cite specific language in their terms.

      • First, it is not any more tenuous than the idea that shaking baby apps make people shake babies. Second, as for censorship, the first part of your sentence was sufficient. That said, exactly WHAT is it that we need to “worry” about?
        Third, Apple’s policy most certainly does NOT make their acceptance of an app tantamount to their condoning it. Please cite a single thing in their terms that refutes this.
        If it did, then it would be a stupid policy. And since when does corporate well-being mean that something is not censorship?

  • Any press is good press http://iamned.com/blog/ in the web 2.0 world. No recession.

  • As a mother of four, I’m livid.

    I just spent a considerable amount of time on Apple’s website looking for a way to vent my ire and wake someone up so they could pull that sorry excuse for an app. Couldn’t find an email address, only these numbers:

    - Apple Public Relations (408) 974-2042
    - Apple Store (Consumer) (800) MY-APPLE (800-692-7753)

    (If I wasn’t at work, I’d have already tried these, but I’m not certain I’d keep my voice at acceptable levels…)

    • Apparently, it’s already been pulled (as Cuppycake already pointed out above me):

      http://news.cne...0225016-37.html

      And, those of you who cry “Censorship! You’re limiting my freedom!” are so steeped in humanist doctrine you can no longer recognize “tasteless” when you see it…

      IMHO, of course.

      • Oh, I find the app quite tasteless. There’s lots of tasteless things out there. But usually what’s tasteless for you, is fun for someone else. And since it’s not hurting you, why on earth would you want to have it banned?

        In fact, since this is not affecting you in any real way, why would you spend even a minute thinking about it, much less doing all this fuss about Apple?

        • You’re so full of shit you stink. If you haven’t realized yet, we humans live in communities in which the behaviour of its members has a real & direct impact on others. Cut the rhetoric idiot.

          • Cut the rhetoric yourself. Interesting that you failed to make a SINGLE substantive counter argument, instead resorting to a logical fallacy. In what way does a shaking baby app have a “real and direct impact on others?”

            (Please say something about video fantasy violence increasing real violence, please, please.)

    • Don’t shake them to much

    • Oh get over yourself. It’s people like you who show up to the book burnings. It’s offending the stupid, knee jerk sensitivities of people like you that make things like Shaking baby apps funny, not the baby shaking. And popular. And I speak from the point of view of someone who finds the app amusing. You have only people like yourself and your over-the-top, absurd reaction to blame for apps like this. Ever think of that? Huh?

  • Ha, I love this title.

  • This is just sick and wrong. It’s not that it’s going to cause someone harm or damage. It’s just offensive in general. It’s also not in keeping with Apple’s public image. I wonder which one of their approval puds OKed this one? Probably getting a written reprimand right now…

    • offensive in general is a statement that has zero meaning. offensive to everyone? clearly not – certainly not to the developer, and not to those few who bought it. you’re now making a sweeping statement that is untrue on its face. it’s offensive to people who are offended by it, and they have an easy choice to avoid it, by not buying it.

      the game is not offensive to ME. someone who actually shakes an actual baby is offensive to me. that person is going to shake a baby regardless of the existence – or non-existence – of an iPhone app. Wake up out of your fantasyland.

  • why would anyone want to create an app like that!

  • awesome!!!

  • This is probably some huge PR stunt and we all fell for it.

  • Yeah, this app should definitely be banned. People should only be able to purchase private iPhone applications that meet someone else’s standard for “taste.”

  • This is the worst thing I’ve seen since ‘A Modest Proposal,’ which I’m still trying to get banned from libraries and schools.

    • FFS. If you can’t see the difference between using satire to highlight a social problem and deriving amusement from this kind of thing, you really shouldn’t be running around trying to ban things. That’s like trying to ban indicators/turn-signals on cars because blinking lights are distracting.

    • You my friend are an idiot. A Modest Proposal was a satirical piece. If you think Jonathan Swift’s intention was to actually eat the children, you need to “shake” yourself.

  • Jack Meoff: You’re not nearly as sick as you think. This app is kind of awesome.

    But only kind of. It should have some gore to make it really awesome.

    Doesn’t anyone have a black sense of humor anymore? The title of this article alone put me in fits of laughter.

  • The app has already been pulled, apparently. Web 2.0 at work.

  • How many copies of this iPhone app were sold?

  • When ever there is an article like this you can be assured there will be a bunch of people just like in the comments here all trying to out do each other putting on a show of outrage.

    It’s dumb, purposely outrageous and a little bit funny just because it’s so sick. Even the title of this article is taking advantagte of it.

  • Obviously a horrible idea/app… kinda shocked that it actually got approved in the first place.

    • Why is it obvious? It is not obvious to me. Please enlighten my from your high throne, from whence you also deign to dispense your holy writs as to how I should think, feel, and behave.

  • I was going to say… I was really surprised that this was allowed in the first place.

  • It’s doubleplusungood says the Ministry of Truth.

    Of course it’s tasteless. That’s the point. Don’t buy it if you don’t like it or it offends you! God I wonder if Garbage Pail Kids would be allowed on the market in today’s world.

  • You guys are all lame. What’s wrong with this app? Get over yourselves. I can’t believe how lame this app is to be honest. I was expecting a high quality graphic baby that shakes with blood coming out as it hits its head against the sides of the phone.

    Also, what’s offensive about an app that keeps track of multiple girlfriend’s menstrual cycles? I can’t tell you how handy PMSBuddy.com has been for me.

    • Dude, go back to your lame blog. You appear to have enough problems. Most likely a horrible parent, who has a rebellious kid (all your fault btw), a horrible example of a parent, with a severly pathetic life. what a waste of space.

      Fail!

      • Oh get a grip. Your simplistic view point belies an intellect of only modest ability, so it is not surprising hat you simply don’t get it. It is a well-known fact that sarcasm is not understood by people with minimal intellect. Probably has a lot to do with the reactions to this app, too.

  • disgusting!

  • MG Siegler,
    This app is horrible indeed. But there is something I want to point out about the woman you mentioned in the news. I read the news on CNET and she hasn’t lost her kid, her kid has brain injuries. I thought you might want to correct that.

  • Just checked the App Store. Its still showing up, but when I attempted to download it it says “The item you’ve requested is not available”.

    Apparently, its already been removed.

  • This is pretty sick, but could it be educational.

    I’ve recently had a bad and been wondering myself “how hard do you have to shake a baby to have ’shaken baby syndrom?”… It could be a fine line between rocking your baby to sleep and shaking him to death.

    Anyway, this really looks to just be in bad taste. But if the sensitivity was realistic and it was positioned with … a little more sensitivity, this might be useful.

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