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		<title>By: Move Aside, Kids: Will YouTube Become TheirTube? &#124; Atomic Tango</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-2/#comment-2935576</link>
		<dc:creator>Move Aside, Kids: Will YouTube Become TheirTube? &#124; Atomic Tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 4/16/9: Three months after I wrote this article, TechCrunch asks a similar question: &#8220;Is Web 2.0 Abandoning the UGC Ship?&#8221;. Meanwhile, my friend Nalts notes that YouTube is following the Hulu route by streaming full-length [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos &#124; The Scripts Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos &#124; The Scripts Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 09:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when it appeared that Web 2.0 may be abandoning the UGC ship for premium content, Break.com, a social video site for guys, is upping its budget to add more user [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos &#124; Reviews Manual</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos &#124; Reviews Manual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 03:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when it appeared that Web 2.0 haw be abandoning the UGC ship for payment content, Break.com, a ethnic recording place for guys, is upping its budget to add more [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Far Edge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Far Edge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 01:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when it appeared that Web 2.0 may be abandoning the UGC ship for premium content, Break.com, a social video site for guys, is upping its budget to add more user [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Trade Jim News &#187; Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-2/#comment-2744980</link>
		<dc:creator>Trade Jim News &#187; Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when it appeared that Web 2.0 may be abandoning the UGC ship for premium content, Break.com, a social video site for guys, is upping its budget to add more user [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos &#124; CHARGED's Digital Lifestyle at Work or Play</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-2/#comment-2744976</link>
		<dc:creator>Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos &#124; CHARGED's Digital Lifestyle at Work or Play</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when it appeared that Web 2.0 may be abandoning the UGC ship for premium content, Break.com, a social video site for guys, is upping its budget to add more user [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Break.com wants to buy user generated videos &#171; Raja Jasti&#8217;s Blog - Renaissance Thinking</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-2/#comment-2744943</link>
		<dc:creator>Break.com wants to buy user generated videos &#171; Raja Jasti&#8217;s Blog - Renaissance Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when it appeared that Web 2.0 may be abandoning the UGC ship for premium content, Break.com, a social video site for guys, is upping its budget to add more user [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-2/#comment-2744909</link>
		<dc:creator>Calling All Dudes: Break.com Wants Your Fratastic Videos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when it appeared that Web 2.0 may be abandoning the UGC ship for premium content, Break.com, a social video site for guys, is upping its budget to add more user [...]</description>
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		<title>By: YouTube Emphasizes Long-Form Video &#124; Techno Portal</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-2/#comment-2703415</link>
		<dc:creator>YouTube Emphasizes Long-Form Video &#124; Techno Portal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lacy has a plausible explanation for these changes. &#8220;Smart entrepreneurs realize user generated content still matters, it just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="861415293">Zenophon Abraham</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="861415293">Zenophon Abraham</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sarah!  Spectacular post, even if I disagree. Some problems. First, define UGC.  Second, explain why so many social networks are doing well: Twitter, MySpace, Facebook, etc.  I think the focus should be on HOW the effort was designed.  Some projects have one-source revenue website, like ads, and avoid affiliate marketing -- bad.  The bottom line is one can&#039;t argue with eyeballs. The reason Disney signed with YouTube is not that UGC is dead but that Disney wants to play in the YouTube space, where they can reach their demographic.  Hey, some money is better than no money at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sarah!  Spectacular post, even if I disagree. Some problems. First, define UGC.  Second, explain why so many social networks are doing well: Twitter, MySpace, Facebook, etc.  I think the focus should be on HOW the effort was designed.  Some projects have one-source revenue website, like ads, and avoid affiliate marketing &#8212; bad.  The bottom line is one can&#8217;t argue with eyeballs. The reason Disney signed with YouTube is not that UGC is dead but that Disney wants to play in the YouTube space, where they can reach their demographic.  Hey, some money is better than no money at all.</p>
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		<title>By: srinin</title>
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		<dc:creator>srinin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As some one in an earleir post had said web 2.0 has to follow the marketplace paradigm if UGC has to translate to $$$.

Market place is a value exchange portal. Unless web 2.0 sites can generate ugc of value, they cannot sell their sites (read: service commission.) Ad revenue should be seen as a secondary source of revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As some one in an earleir post had said web 2.0 has to follow the marketplace paradigm if UGC has to translate to $$$.</p>
<p>Market place is a value exchange portal. Unless web 2.0 sites can generate ugc of value, they cannot sell their sites (read: service commission.) Ad revenue should be seen as a secondary source of revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Perspective on Monetization &#124; ara pehlivanian&#8212;Web Standards, Web Culture, Web Everything.™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Perspective on Monetization &#124; ara pehlivanian&#8212;Web Standards, Web Culture, Web Everything.™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] à la Amazon.com&#8211;is advertising. But it isn&#8217;t working. Why? Because advertisers aren&#8217;t interested in paying to be displayed next to an old man smoking a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] à la Amazon.com&#8211;is advertising. But it isn&#8217;t working. Why? Because advertisers aren&#8217;t interested in paying to be displayed next to an old man smoking a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lemonobrien@yahoo.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2688464</link>
		<dc:creator>lemonobrien@yahoo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if your business is based on advertising; and you&#039;re not google, you&#039;ll fail.

the advertising model for web 2.0 start ups was always hype to get investors money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if your business is based on advertising; and you&#8217;re not google, you&#8217;ll fail.</p>
<p>the advertising model for web 2.0 start ups was always hype to get investors money.</p>
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		<title>By: lemonobrien@yahoo.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2688463</link>
		<dc:creator>lemonobrien@yahoo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly... &quot;I believe a “marketplace” environment for digital content is the clear solution. &quot;

that&#039;s what we&#039;ve done/doing... a social network for users to by and sell between each other; the key is to reward the buys by involving them into the business model; when you buy something from the web, you get to give the sales commission to a friend/ or yourself if you register twice; if you use our p2p module, you make money redistributing it. the artist/publisher still makes the royalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly&#8230; &#8220;I believe a “marketplace” environment for digital content is the clear solution. &#8221;</p>
<p>that&#8217;s what we&#8217;ve done/doing&#8230; a social network for users to by and sell between each other; the key is to reward the buys by involving them into the business model; when you buy something from the web, you get to give the sales commission to a friend/ or yourself if you register twice; if you use our p2p module, you make money redistributing it. the artist/publisher still makes the royalty.</p>
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		<title>By: lemonobrien@yahoo.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2688451</link>
		<dc:creator>lemonobrien@yahoo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they don&#039;t; youtube lost 400 million; see wallstreet journal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they don&#8217;t; youtube lost 400 million; see wallstreet journal</p>
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		<title>By: lemonobrien@yahoo.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2688450</link>
		<dc:creator>lemonobrien@yahoo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah; why should i care about you; suppose i have great info, something you&#039;d want, like; why would i give it to you. thats where money comes in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah; why should i care about you; suppose i have great info, something you&#8217;d want, like; why would i give it to you. thats where money comes in.</p>
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		<title>By: Neno Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2688443</link>
		<dc:creator>Neno Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The market for content in general is not working UGC shares this space and is quite rightly affected by it, CD sales down, Ad revs down, high price downloads, poor broadband speeds, piracy.

There does seem to be a flight to safety away from UGC towards the majors, as the majors carry with them metrics that give advertisers the confidence to spend, and at the same time the mayors get to dip their feet in two ponds, traditional media and digital media while monetising in both. 

I&#039;m counting on UGC to win through in the end, once the current state of flux has been negotiated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The market for content in general is not working UGC shares this space and is quite rightly affected by it, CD sales down, Ad revs down, high price downloads, poor broadband speeds, piracy.</p>
<p>There does seem to be a flight to safety away from UGC towards the majors, as the majors carry with them metrics that give advertisers the confidence to spend, and at the same time the mayors get to dip their feet in two ponds, traditional media and digital media while monetising in both. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m counting on UGC to win through in the end, once the current state of flux has been negotiated.</p>
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		<title>By: offlinevalue</title>
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		<dc:creator>offlinevalue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim O&#039;Reilly said that web2.0 needs to go from the web to the real world. And that it needs to go from entertaining to solving real problems of the developing world. It is quite frightening and shocking to imagine a future where the US dollar is not the chief global currency, but that is just what a few honest economists are talking about. Wait. Listen me through. That, coupled with the fact of the US economy, would bring the US down from developed to not-so-developed despite its huge technological advantage. So if we use web2.0 and UGC to actually solve real problems, maybe starting with the US itself, that would ensure engagement - sharing solar or electric car hacks is more economically sound than sharing Facebook-Poop-Throwing hacks, after all. Websites with UGC that solve problems of that kind, IMO. This model is already picking up in pockets all over the world. The Chinese and Japanese are probably leaders at these kind of things. But we need Silicon Valley to do this to really kickstart the next version of the web. I&#039;m not saying more things because no one likes being called a nutjob. 
There&#039;s a lot more, but I won&#039;t disrupt the arrow of time ;) (that was the lofty accusation, after all)

&lt;b&gt;Thanks&lt;/b&gt; ( ;) ) for listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim O&#8217;Reilly said that web2.0 needs to go from the web to the real world. And that it needs to go from entertaining to solving real problems of the developing world. It is quite frightening and shocking to imagine a future where the US dollar is not the chief global currency, but that is just what a few honest economists are talking about. Wait. Listen me through. That, coupled with the fact of the US economy, would bring the US down from developed to not-so-developed despite its huge technological advantage. So if we use web2.0 and UGC to actually solve real problems, maybe starting with the US itself, that would ensure engagement &#8211; sharing solar or electric car hacks is more economically sound than sharing Facebook-Poop-Throwing hacks, after all. Websites with UGC that solve problems of that kind, IMO. This model is already picking up in pockets all over the world. The Chinese and Japanese are probably leaders at these kind of things. But we need Silicon Valley to do this to really kickstart the next version of the web. I&#8217;m not saying more things because no one likes being called a nutjob.<br />
There&#8217;s a lot more, but I won&#8217;t disrupt the arrow of time <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  (that was the lofty accusation, after all)</p>
<p><b>Thanks</b> ( <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) for listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Uri</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2688388</link>
		<dc:creator>Uri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reatrd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reatrd?</p>
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		<title>By: Uri</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2688383</link>
		<dc:creator>Uri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>User generated entertainment content failed to monetize so far, but not all UGC failed. In some cases it was so successful that it threatened traditional media and in others, new markets were created. iStockphoto, a user created stock photography site succeeded and was acquired by Getty Images after becoming a serious player in the field. Their secret was reliance on selling, not advertising and on a target audience similar to (or the same as, in many cases) the creators as well as clear guidance and quality thresholds.

Etsy, Spreadshirt and Ponoko are another examples where much was invested in understanding the creator community and relying on an audience that is similar or one and the same as the creators.

Other UGC, open source and collaborative projects, such as Wikipedia and Blender do not measure success in the money they make, but rather in the benefit they bestow on the community.

more about UGC:
http://bit.ly/ugc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>User generated entertainment content failed to monetize so far, but not all UGC failed. In some cases it was so successful that it threatened traditional media and in others, new markets were created. iStockphoto, a user created stock photography site succeeded and was acquired by Getty Images after becoming a serious player in the field. Their secret was reliance on selling, not advertising and on a target audience similar to (or the same as, in many cases) the creators as well as clear guidance and quality thresholds.</p>
<p>Etsy, Spreadshirt and Ponoko are another examples where much was invested in understanding the creator community and relying on an audience that is similar or one and the same as the creators.</p>
<p>Other UGC, open source and collaborative projects, such as Wikipedia and Blender do not measure success in the money they make, but rather in the benefit they bestow on the community.</p>
<p>more about UGC:<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/ugc" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://bit.ly/ugc'>http://bit.ly/ugc</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Ratcliffe-Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2688361</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ratcliffe-Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a lot harder to understand social currency and put a definitive value on it.  As humans, we&#039;re so caught up on definition of value.  A &quot;click&quot; equals xyz.  Assume that and life moves on.  Although, attention is becoming the new currency.  Someone shared something with someone else?  It might not make you a million dollars right then and there but think about the interaction that just happened.  Someone took their TIME to invest themselves into something that came from your brand.  It was a commitment, mindshare, etc.  Sometimes that is a lot more valuable than a few cents of CPM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a lot harder to understand social currency and put a definitive value on it.  As humans, we&#8217;re so caught up on definition of value.  A &#8220;click&#8221; equals xyz.  Assume that and life moves on.  Although, attention is becoming the new currency.  Someone shared something with someone else?  It might not make you a million dollars right then and there but think about the interaction that just happened.  Someone took their TIME to invest themselves into something that came from your brand.  It was a commitment, mindshare, etc.  Sometimes that is a lot more valuable than a few cents of CPM.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Gooch</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2688141</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Gooch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two most important posts here are from David Sanger and Derek Rey.

The term UGC is too broad and talented people, no mater how they define themselves as Pro or Amateur, can make money producing content. 

I believe a  &quot;marketplace&quot; environment for digital content is the clear solution. In a Marketplace, money is the filter not some editor &quot;deciding what is good and bad&quot; content. The money will flow to quality talent that meets the needs of the user. 
To make this work, the user needs to know that they can request or choose from the best available content and content producers need to know that they will get paid for their efforts.

In this environment, the term UGC does not matter. If there is enough money &quot;on the table&quot; to entice a producer, any producer, to take a chance and create the content then they will make the requested content. 

The revenue model simply becomes, as in any marketplace, the fees associated with hosting and managing the marketplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two most important posts here are from David Sanger and Derek Rey.</p>
<p>The term UGC is too broad and talented people, no mater how they define themselves as Pro or Amateur, can make money producing content. </p>
<p>I believe a  &#8220;marketplace&#8221; environment for digital content is the clear solution. In a Marketplace, money is the filter not some editor &#8220;deciding what is good and bad&#8221; content. The money will flow to quality talent that meets the needs of the user.<br />
To make this work, the user needs to know that they can request or choose from the best available content and content producers need to know that they will get paid for their efforts.</p>
<p>In this environment, the term UGC does not matter. If there is enough money &#8220;on the table&#8221; to entice a producer, any producer, to take a chance and create the content then they will make the requested content. </p>
<p>The revenue model simply becomes, as in any marketplace, the fees associated with hosting and managing the marketplace.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2688005</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW: I am running the debugging version of Flash, and every TC page generates the following error. Could you TC techies please track this down an fix it (I believe it is related to your Flash code, but am not 100% sure). Thanks.

Error #2044: Unhandled NetStatusEvent:. level=error, code=SharedObject.Flush.Failed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: I am running the debugging version of Flash, and every TC page generates the following error. Could you TC techies please track this down an fix it (I believe it is related to your Flash code, but am not 100% sure). Thanks.</p>
<p>Error #2044: Unhandled NetStatusEvent:. level=error, code=SharedObject.Flush.Failed</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2688001</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with poster above re: calling YouTube UGC. It is mostly illegal uploads of copyrighted material (in various forms). Advertisers and Google dont/cant want any part of that.

However, there is obvious potential for generating knowledge from the distillation of UGC. Twitter&#039;s search capabilities are the best example. 

What FB and Google need to realize with respect to this value is that size is not that important. Twitter at its current size, or even 1/2 its size is a representative sample for a UGC search function to adequately represent &quot;what&#039;s current&quot; in the internet user population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with poster above re: calling YouTube UGC. It is mostly illegal uploads of copyrighted material (in various forms). Advertisers and Google dont/cant want any part of that.</p>
<p>However, there is obvious potential for generating knowledge from the distillation of UGC. Twitter&#8217;s search capabilities are the best example. </p>
<p>What FB and Google need to realize with respect to this value is that size is not that important. Twitter at its current size, or even 1/2 its size is a representative sample for a UGC search function to adequately represent &#8220;what&#8217;s current&#8221; in the internet user population.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/is-web-20-abandoning-the-ugc-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-2687924</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people keep pointing to YouTube as the example, user generated content looks doomed. However, if you look at the thousands of other examples where exposure, unique viewers and a return users have been generated by campaigns that have incorporated UGC it is hard to say that it is a dying trend. If anything, it is just warming up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people keep pointing to YouTube as the example, user generated content looks doomed. However, if you look at the thousands of other examples where exposure, unique viewers and a return users have been generated by campaigns that have incorporated UGC it is hard to say that it is a dying trend. If anything, it is just warming up.</p>
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