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		<title>By: Dreaming Engineer &#187; Memex: Perspectives From The User</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-3084349</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreaming Engineer &#187; Memex: Perspectives From The User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as unauthorized access and damage/loss due to cloud failure. We must avoid incidents such as Gdocs security gaffe, AOL&#8217;s search data scandal, Magnolia catastrophe, and Sidekick&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as unauthorized access and damage/loss due to cloud failure. We must avoid incidents such as Gdocs security gaffe, AOL&#8217;s search data scandal, Magnolia catastrophe, and Sidekick&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sem</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-3024233</link>
		<dc:creator>sem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can not expect every site and function to be absolutely perfect.  There is not one site in the world that does not have a loophole.  Google just catches heat because of its name and great reputation.  Always be careful what you put out on the internet, hackers are amazing at what they do.  Stay safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can not expect every site and function to be absolutely perfect.  There is not one site in the world that does not have a loophole.  Google just catches heat because of its name and great reputation.  Always be careful what you put out on the internet, hackers are amazing at what they do.  Stay safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Los Angeles Moving Into Google Apps? : Liquidmatrix Security Digest</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2862233</link>
		<dc:creator>Los Angeles Moving Into Google Apps? : Liquidmatrix Security Digest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] would like to believe that this would be a viable option for Los Angeles but, there have been a few too many issues with respects to Google app security to leave me, and others, with a sense of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] would like to believe that this would be a viable option for Los Angeles but, there have been a few too many issues with respects to Google app security to leave me, and others, with a sense of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Acheson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2860726</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Acheson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter&#039;s internal systems have just been hacked into, along with the accounts of Twitter users (including celebrities):

http://www.timacheson.com/Blog/2009/jul/twitter_hacked_via_google_apps

The initial point of entry wasn&#039;t a gap in Twitter&#039;s security. The hacker(s) gained access through a Google Apps account. The worry with a Google account is, it&#039;s web-based and therefore only as secure as the rest of the Internet. If yuor Google account is compromised and you use Google Docs in a serious commercial setting, your Twitter account will be the least of your worries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter&#8217;s internal systems have just been hacked into, along with the accounts of Twitter users (including celebrities):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timacheson.com/Blog/2009/jul/twitter_hacked_via_google_apps" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.timacheson.com/Blog/2009/jul/twitter_hacked_via_google_apps'>http://www.tima...via_google_apps</a></p>
<p>The initial point of entry wasn&#8217;t a gap in Twitter&#8217;s security. The hacker(s) gained access through a Google Apps account. The worry with a Google account is, it&#8217;s web-based and therefore only as secure as the rest of the Internet. If yuor Google account is compromised and you use Google Docs in a serious commercial setting, your Twitter account will be the least of your worries.</p>
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		<title>By: Google on Privacy, Coming out of Beta, and (Possibly) Rethinking Free Google Apps &#171; KnowledgeForward</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2843467</link>
		<dc:creator>Google on Privacy, Coming out of Beta, and (Possibly) Rethinking Free Google Apps &#171; KnowledgeForward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just by knowing the URL, that&#8217;s not protecting privacy. Presciently, a commenter on the TechCrunch blog said “Doesn’t beta imply &#8216;This thing is buggy. Use it at your own risk?&#8221;&#160; That [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] just by knowing the URL, that&#8217;s not protecting privacy. Presciently, a commenter on the TechCrunch blog said “Doesn’t beta imply &#8216;This thing is buggy. Use it at your own risk?&#8221;&nbsp; That [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Baumgartel Images &#124; Gmail for your Domain</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2837233</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay Baumgartel Images &#124; Gmail for your Domain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Neben dem reinen eMail mit Chat kann man natürlich auch die Google-Apps. nutzen &#8211; auch die sind kostenlos. Leider hatte Google dort einige Security-Lücken. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Neben dem reinen eMail mit Chat kann man natürlich auch die Google-Apps. nutzen &#8211; auch die sind kostenlos. Leider hatte Google dort einige Security-Lücken. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chikabebe</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2818014</link>
		<dc:creator>Chikabebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s much better to be secure all the time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s much better to be secure all the time</p>
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		<title>By: Remote control software</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2785173</link>
		<dc:creator>Remote control software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be especially wary of online documents. Even though you deleted them, you can bet Google has a backup somewhere. Therefore be careful not to put anything on these files that you would want people to know even years down the line, especially if you&#039;re running for office, planning to do something illegal, have financial information, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be especially wary of online documents. Even though you deleted them, you can bet Google has a backup somewhere. Therefore be careful not to put anything on these files that you would want people to know even years down the line, especially if you&#8217;re running for office, planning to do something illegal, have financial information, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: JY</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2705140</link>
		<dc:creator>JY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have never used google docs before, but i keep hearing from people how convenient it really is, especially when working docs that needs to be viewed and edited by several people. but sometimes google makes me nervous, its like everything i do involves google in some way, very big brother like.  take a look at this new digital security resource site (www.justaskgemalto.com), it has a lot of really important useful information.  as our lives become fully digital, its good to be aware and have that digital smarts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have never used google docs before, but i keep hearing from people how convenient it really is, especially when working docs that needs to be viewed and edited by several people. but sometimes google makes me nervous, its like everything i do involves google in some way, very big brother like.  take a look at this new digital security resource site (www.justaskgemalto.com), it has a lot of really important useful information.  as our lives become fully digital, its good to be aware and have that digital smarts.</p>
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		<title>By: Book: Writing secure code - Sudarshan Acharya</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2690753</link>
		<dc:creator>Book: Writing secure code - Sudarshan Acharya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1. Google shares Docs without your permission: March 7, 2009 and again on March 26, 2009 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Book: Writing Secure Code - Sudarshan Acharya</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2684908</link>
		<dc:creator>Book: Writing Secure Code - Sudarshan Acharya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1. Google shares Docs without your permission: March 7, 2009 and again on March 26, 2009  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Firewall 2.0 &#187; Security Loopholes in Google Docs – Is This Really a Surprise?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2683257</link>
		<dc:creator>Firewall 2.0 &#187; Security Loopholes in Google Docs – Is This Really a Surprise?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TechCrunch article highlights three security holes in Google Docs, each of which varies in terms of severity. The most severe, according to the researcher, is an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Problemas de Segurança no Google Docs &#8211; Carlos Serrão</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2679949</link>
		<dc:creator>Problemas de Segurança no Google Docs &#8211; Carlos Serrão</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] um consultor de segurança descobriu um conjunto de vulnerabilidades de segurança na aplicação Google Docs, mais concretamente, três [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] um consultor de segurança descobriu um conjunto de vulnerabilidades de segurança na aplicação Google Docs, mais concretamente, três [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Problemas de Segurança no Google Docs &#171; WebAppSec</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2679948</link>
		<dc:creator>Problemas de Segurança no Google Docs &#171; WebAppSec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=52013#comment-2679948</guid>
		<description>[...] um consultor de segurança descobriu um conjunto de vulnerabilidades de segurança na aplicação Google Docs, mais concretamente, três [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] um consultor de segurança descobriu um conjunto de vulnerabilidades de segurança na aplicação Google Docs, mais concretamente, três [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Internet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Good and Bad of Google Docs</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2679719</link>
		<dc:creator>The Internet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Good and Bad of Google Docs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] including full find-and-replace functionality and a simple drawing program.  On the other hand, TechCrunch points out some glaring holes in Docs&#8217; security.  Since there&#8217;s no recognition or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] including full find-and-replace functionality and a simple drawing program.  On the other hand, TechCrunch points out some glaring holes in Docs&#8217; security.  Since there&#8217;s no recognition or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: New security concerns raised for Google Docs &#124; www.lievebeheersbeestjes.org</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2675825</link>
		<dc:creator>New security concerns raised for Google Docs &#124; www.lievebeheersbeestjes.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=52013#comment-2675825</guid>
		<description>[...] is running a story about three possible security issues with Google Docs recently uncovered by researcher Ade Barkah. It turns out that an image embedded into a protected [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is running a story about three possible security issues with Google Docs recently uncovered by researcher Ade Barkah. It turns out that an image embedded into a protected [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ما الذي تستطيع أنظمة التشغيل تعلّمه من مايكروسوفت</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2674551</link>
		<dc:creator>ما الذي تستطيع أنظمة التشغيل تعلّمه من مايكروسوفت</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] بعد يومين. قارن ذلك بغوغل التي تم إبلاغها بثلاثة ثغرات أمنية في google document ولم ترد على الباحث حتى بعد مرور خمس أيام [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] بعد يومين. قارن ذلك بغوغل التي تم إبلاغها بثلاثة ثغرات أمنية في google document ولم ترد على الباحث حتى بعد مرور خمس أيام [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More Security Loopholes Found In Google Docs &#124; Crescent City Networking</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2674178</link>
		<dc:creator>More Security Loopholes Found In Google Docs &#124; Crescent City Networking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Robin Wauters on March 26, 2009 (Techcrunch) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Torley</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-2/#comment-2674025</link>
		<dc:creator>Torley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m dismayed that Google Docs still has dirty HTML years after it was called Writely, then acquired. There are numerous UI quirks and strange omissions, such as lack of ability to strip excess rich tags (for when you want to remove different-colored fonts from a doc).

Also, once an image is uploaded, I don&#039;t know any way to save it back to disk easily — right-clicking doesn&#039;t work. Does anyone know a solution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m dismayed that Google Docs still has dirty HTML years after it was called Writely, then acquired. There are numerous UI quirks and strange omissions, such as lack of ability to strip excess rich tags (for when you want to remove different-colored fonts from a doc).</p>
<p>Also, once an image is uploaded, I don&#8217;t know any way to save it back to disk easily — right-clicking doesn&#8217;t work. Does anyone know a solution?</p>
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		<title>By: wikiBuddha</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-1/#comment-2673992</link>
		<dc:creator>wikiBuddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, I was reading the opinions about what Beta means. While there are general qualities which define the Beta state, the only source which would provide a satisfactory definition in terms of Google&#039;s beta status would be straight from the horse&#039;s mouth. Neeeeyahaahaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, I was reading the opinions about what Beta means. While there are general qualities which define the Beta state, the only source which would provide a satisfactory definition in terms of Google&#8217;s beta status would be straight from the horse&#8217;s mouth. Neeeeyahaahaha.</p>
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		<title>By: Holes in the cloud: consultant finds more flaws in Google Docs</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-1/#comment-2673698</link>
		<dc:creator>Holes in the cloud: consultant finds more flaws in Google Docs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this is further confirmation that just because you&#039;re paranoid that doesn&#039;t make you wrong.[via TechCrunch]Holes in the cloud: consultant finds more flaws in Google Docs originally appeared on Download [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this is further confirmation that just because you&#8217;re paranoid that doesn&#8217;t make you wrong.[via TechCrunch]Holes in the cloud: consultant finds more flaws in Google Docs originally appeared on Download [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Marketing, Strategy &#38; Technology Links - Mar 27, 2009 &#171; Sazbean</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-1/#comment-2673196</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet Marketing, Strategy &#38; Technology Links - Mar 27, 2009 &#171; Sazbean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=52013#comment-2673196</guid>
		<description>[...] More Security Loopholes Found In Google Docs (TechCrunch) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-1/#comment-2673150</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Google has decided to keep all images, even after you delete a document; like, Facebook has decided to keep all images even after you close your account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Google has decided to keep all images, even after you delete a document; like, Facebook has decided to keep all images even after you close your account.</p>
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		<title>By: Slowhand</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-1/#comment-2672908</link>
		<dc:creator>Slowhand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slowhand, you&#039;re a complete idiot. 

The main implication of the story, is that Google has spread itself too thin. Has Google become a firm obsessed with growth, which simply ignores the complaints of the likes of &quot;little people&quot; such as security consultants reporting grave product flaws? 

I&#039;m not sure what product of Google is not in Beta. The convention of Beta designation is so overly abused, that it has lost all genuine meaning. The key difference is whether anything has been released for public use, and Google docs have been around much longer than since yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slowhand, you&#8217;re a complete idiot. </p>
<p>The main implication of the story, is that Google has spread itself too thin. Has Google become a firm obsessed with growth, which simply ignores the complaints of the likes of &#8220;little people&#8221; such as security consultants reporting grave product flaws? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what product of Google is not in Beta. The convention of Beta designation is so overly abused, that it has lost all genuine meaning. The key difference is whether anything has been released for public use, and Google docs have been around much longer than since yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Faster Better PC &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Short Google Update</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/26/more-security-loopholes-found-in-google-docs/comment-page-1/#comment-2672897</link>
		<dc:creator>Faster Better PC &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Short Google Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] any sensitive information stored there you would want to read this. The article at TechCrunch is HERE. If you don’t know what a web application (webapp) is, then you might want to read the Wikipedia [...]</p>
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