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	<title>Comments on: Pay-For-Play Comes To Online Radio.  Is That a Bad Thing?</title>
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		<title>By: The Radio Cluster: Key Sites and Readings &#171; Rotw2009&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2666562</link>
		<dc:creator>The Radio Cluster: Key Sites and Readings &#171; Rotw2009&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2657696</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t use Jango just because they are the guys behind Direct Revenue, the ad/spyware company that was shut down by the state of New York in a lawsuit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t use Jango just because they are the guys behind Direct Revenue, the ad/spyware company that was shut down by the state of New York in a lawsuit</p>
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		<title>By: the one</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2656221</link>
		<dc:creator>the one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to burst your bubble but pay to play is what goes on in the real world period.  Why else would a radio station play the same song 5 times a day, you can&#039;t honestly tell me that people are requesting the songs.  Think about it!  The rules of making it in the music industry is simple.  Record companies pay huge amounts to money to promote their bands and to get them to play your band in heavy rotation.  How many times have you tuned to a station and said &quot;not that song again&quot;? &quot;&quot;  Don&#039;t you think radio stations are on to that and would correct themselves to keep playing fresh music?  NO, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD AND PAID TO PLAY A CERTAIN SONG IN HEAVY ROTATION PERIOD.  If you don&#039;t understand this, then your band will never make it big.  It is not coincidence that a normal band with mediocrity talent is number 1, it is because of radio play... which the record company pushes!
Ok, I&#039;ll shut up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to burst your bubble but pay to play is what goes on in the real world period.  Why else would a radio station play the same song 5 times a day, you can&#8217;t honestly tell me that people are requesting the songs.  Think about it!  The rules of making it in the music industry is simple.  Record companies pay huge amounts to money to promote their bands and to get them to play your band in heavy rotation.  How many times have you tuned to a station and said &#8220;not that song again&#8221;? &#8220;&#8221;  Don&#8217;t you think radio stations are on to that and would correct themselves to keep playing fresh music?  NO, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD AND PAID TO PLAY A CERTAIN SONG IN HEAVY ROTATION PERIOD.  If you don&#8217;t understand this, then your band will never make it big.  It is not coincidence that a normal band with mediocrity talent is number 1, it is because of radio play&#8230; which the record company pushes!<br />
Ok, I&#8217;ll shut up!</p>
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		<title>By: emith</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2652236</link>
		<dc:creator>emith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as an actual independent artist promoting a CD (&quot;13 Seasons&quot;, March 17th), yet again unsurprisingly disgusted with the invention of yet a new way to part artists from their money.

Already the number of &quot;services&quot; artists have to sign up for in order to have any hope of a successful release in terms of volume, almost from the start guarantees failure in terms of pure unit economics.

Supposedly this type of thing will &#039;help&#039; independent artists gain &#039;exposure.&#039;  If successful, all it will do is clamp down on the channels of distribution once more, as this advertising, much like search engine marketing has done, will become so competitive that only those making the most money off the backend will be able to afford it and/or bid competitively in an auction environment (and as the CEO has stated, the airplay is most definitely a limited resource, in order to keep the consumer happy).  And those making the most money off the backend are those than can 1) afford to spend the most on the frontend to create volume, and 2) those who can wring the cheapest prices out of their various suppliers and services...so, it would be those folks otherwise known as big-money labels, not independent artists trying to squeak something through that may be &quot;good&quot; but not have the backing it deserves...you know, the same folks that could afford to pay for DJ coke budgets (no, not the soft drink) in the 70&#039;s.

And so, we are right back where we started fifty years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as an actual independent artist promoting a CD (&#8221;13 Seasons&#8221;, March 17th), yet again unsurprisingly disgusted with the invention of yet a new way to part artists from their money.</p>
<p>Already the number of &#8220;services&#8221; artists have to sign up for in order to have any hope of a successful release in terms of volume, almost from the start guarantees failure in terms of pure unit economics.</p>
<p>Supposedly this type of thing will &#8216;help&#8217; independent artists gain &#8216;exposure.&#8217;  If successful, all it will do is clamp down on the channels of distribution once more, as this advertising, much like search engine marketing has done, will become so competitive that only those making the most money off the backend will be able to afford it and/or bid competitively in an auction environment (and as the CEO has stated, the airplay is most definitely a limited resource, in order to keep the consumer happy).  And those making the most money off the backend are those than can 1) afford to spend the most on the frontend to create volume, and 2) those who can wring the cheapest prices out of their various suppliers and services&#8230;so, it would be those folks otherwise known as big-money labels, not independent artists trying to squeak something through that may be &#8220;good&#8221; but not have the backing it deserves&#8230;you know, the same folks that could afford to pay for DJ coke budgets (no, not the soft drink) in the 70&#8217;s.</p>
<p>And so, we are right back where we started fifty years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Erick Schonfeld</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2650758</link>
		<dc:creator>Erick Schonfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was trying to distinguish regular radio from online radio (ie. music streaming services).  I&#039;d lump satellite radio in with regular broadcast tower radio, and I guess technically all three are terrestrial.  But terrestrial is also industry jargon for broadcast radio via towers placed on the earth (as opposed to satellites in space).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to distinguish regular radio from online radio (ie. music streaming services).  I&#8217;d lump satellite radio in with regular broadcast tower radio, and I guess technically all three are terrestrial.  But terrestrial is also industry jargon for broadcast radio via towers placed on the earth (as opposed to satellites in space).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kaufman, Jango CEO</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2650615</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kaufman, Jango CEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Erick and everybody,

Dan Kaufman, CEO of Jango here… you raise some good points I would like to address. “Jango Airplay” is about letting emerging artists reach potential fans and helping listeners discover music they’re likely to like – so the question of relevance and quality is a huge part of the service. It obviously has to be a good experience for everyone.

I like your idea of letting good songs get more plays/lower price a la AdSense – that is definitely in line with the way we think about this service, and something we’ll explore for upcoming releases. In a sense, it’s already happening (songs that get more than 50 good ratings enter general rotation and start getting more plays for free) but I can certainly see us developing a more advanced algorithm that rewards songs with high relevance (ie lots of good ratings, etc).

On the other end of the spectrum – songs that are not well received – we already have several mechanisms in place to ensure quality and that any really unpopular songs stop playing entirely. So it’s not the case that anyone can upload anything and it will play as many times as they&#039;ve paid for no matter what. Here&#039;s how it works:

- Quality review

First of all, we review all songs to ensure that they meet (our own admittedly totally subjective) quality standards, and that the “similar artists” chosen make sense - ie no song will be played next to both Keith Urban and Soulja Boy.

- Listener control

If a user doesn&#039;t like an &quot;Airplay&quot; song, all he needs to do is skip. Or if he gives it a negative rating, he’ll never hear it again. This applies both for &quot;Airplay&quot; songs and songs in general rotation. 

- Community control

If an &quot;Airplay&quot; song receives more negative ratings than positive ratings, it will be “retired” (and the money refunded to the emerging artist). Essentially, everybody that passes our internal quality review gets a shot at putting their song out there, but if it bombs in the community, it will stop playing. So far though, this hasn&#039;t happened. Unlike many in the peanut gallery seem to think, just because you’re not established doesn’t mean you’re not good - and artists serious enough about their career to spend money on promotion are generally much better than you’d think. So far our users have been giving positive ratings, writing comments and “becoming fans” far more than rating down songs. 

- Frequency capping

Lastly, &quot;Airplay&quot; songs play very infrequently compared to established artists. Users will hear an “airplay song” no more than once per day initially. Eventually they may hear more than one per day but no more than once per 20 songs (unless they ask for more).  

I hope this clarifies. We’re convinced that Jango Airplay is good for emerging artists AND users. With our quality review, listener and community control, and infrequency of airplay songs (compared to established artists), we believe that adding Airplay songs to the mix actually improves the user experience on Jango. If our users tell us otherwise, we’ll make adjustments (e.g. – let users opt out of hearing Airplay songs). At the end of the day, the whole purpose is to help independents get discovered and help users discover independents - and it&#039;s paramount that it&#039;s a good experience for everyone. If we do that right, we think this is a MUCH better experience for everyone involved than the alternative - which is a 30 second audio ad for Lending Tree every other song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Erick and everybody,</p>
<p>Dan Kaufman, CEO of Jango here… you raise some good points I would like to address. “Jango Airplay” is about letting emerging artists reach potential fans and helping listeners discover music they’re likely to like – so the question of relevance and quality is a huge part of the service. It obviously has to be a good experience for everyone.</p>
<p>I like your idea of letting good songs get more plays/lower price a la AdSense – that is definitely in line with the way we think about this service, and something we’ll explore for upcoming releases. In a sense, it’s already happening (songs that get more than 50 good ratings enter general rotation and start getting more plays for free) but I can certainly see us developing a more advanced algorithm that rewards songs with high relevance (ie lots of good ratings, etc).</p>
<p>On the other end of the spectrum – songs that are not well received – we already have several mechanisms in place to ensure quality and that any really unpopular songs stop playing entirely. So it’s not the case that anyone can upload anything and it will play as many times as they&#8217;ve paid for no matter what. Here&#8217;s how it works:</p>
<p>- Quality review</p>
<p>First of all, we review all songs to ensure that they meet (our own admittedly totally subjective) quality standards, and that the “similar artists” chosen make sense &#8211; ie no song will be played next to both Keith Urban and Soulja Boy.</p>
<p>- Listener control</p>
<p>If a user doesn&#8217;t like an &#8220;Airplay&#8221; song, all he needs to do is skip. Or if he gives it a negative rating, he’ll never hear it again. This applies both for &#8220;Airplay&#8221; songs and songs in general rotation. </p>
<p>- Community control</p>
<p>If an &#8220;Airplay&#8221; song receives more negative ratings than positive ratings, it will be “retired” (and the money refunded to the emerging artist). Essentially, everybody that passes our internal quality review gets a shot at putting their song out there, but if it bombs in the community, it will stop playing. So far though, this hasn&#8217;t happened. Unlike many in the peanut gallery seem to think, just because you’re not established doesn’t mean you’re not good &#8211; and artists serious enough about their career to spend money on promotion are generally much better than you’d think. So far our users have been giving positive ratings, writing comments and “becoming fans” far more than rating down songs. </p>
<p>- Frequency capping</p>
<p>Lastly, &#8220;Airplay&#8221; songs play very infrequently compared to established artists. Users will hear an “airplay song” no more than once per day initially. Eventually they may hear more than one per day but no more than once per 20 songs (unless they ask for more).  </p>
<p>I hope this clarifies. We’re convinced that Jango Airplay is good for emerging artists AND users. With our quality review, listener and community control, and infrequency of airplay songs (compared to established artists), we believe that adding Airplay songs to the mix actually improves the user experience on Jango. If our users tell us otherwise, we’ll make adjustments (e.g. – let users opt out of hearing Airplay songs). At the end of the day, the whole purpose is to help independents get discovered and help users discover independents &#8211; and it&#8217;s paramount that it&#8217;s a good experience for everyone. If we do that right, we think this is a MUCH better experience for everyone involved than the alternative &#8211; which is a 30 second audio ad for Lending Tree every other song.</p>
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		<title>By: jack parsons</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2649699</link>
		<dc:creator>jack parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Erick. I feel about this line the way a parent feels about that little dookie his beautiful baby just made: 

&quot;When it comes to promoting new music, pay-for-play schemes are generally frowned upon.&quot;

No, widdwe Erick, it&#039;s not &quot;generally frowned upon&quot;. When it comes to promoting new music, pay-for-play schemes are generally illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Erick. I feel about this line the way a parent feels about that little dookie his beautiful baby just made: </p>
<p>&#8220;When it comes to promoting new music, pay-for-play schemes are generally frowned upon.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, widdwe Erick, it&#8217;s not &#8220;generally frowned upon&#8221;. When it comes to promoting new music, pay-for-play schemes are generally illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Clearman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2649420</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Clearman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sure it isn’t a problem today, but what if the popularity of this pay for play eventually reaches the limit and outpaces new user growth?&lt;/i&gt;

Adwords-style auctioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sure it isn’t a problem today, but what if the popularity of this pay for play eventually reaches the limit and outpaces new user growth?</i></p>
<p>Adwords-style auctioning.</p>
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		<title>By: test</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2649277</link>
		<dc:creator>test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test</description>
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		<title>By: Jebb Dykstra</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2648941</link>
		<dc:creator>Jebb Dykstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most everyone we know doesn&#039;t like &quot;infomercials.&quot; Indy or emerging artists will likely find this to  be offensive. But Erick speaks a great deal of sense when he compares this to paid search. Like it or not, it&#039;s all about business. This is a lot like a Vanity Press, where an author pays to get his own book published.

It seems to be that as long as there is some sort of &quot;full disclosure&quot; that the following song is an advertisement, then more power to  both sides. Artists should be able to do this and Jango should be able to charge for it, but let&#039;s make sure that there is no confusion. Like Erick mentioned, they need better disclosure so no risk of confusion. It&#039;s a free market after fall. Let them experiment and see if they can crack the bus model code. Could have some very interesting results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most everyone we know doesn&#8217;t like &#8220;infomercials.&#8221; Indy or emerging artists will likely find this to  be offensive. But Erick speaks a great deal of sense when he compares this to paid search. Like it or not, it&#8217;s all about business. This is a lot like a Vanity Press, where an author pays to get his own book published.</p>
<p>It seems to be that as long as there is some sort of &#8220;full disclosure&#8221; that the following song is an advertisement, then more power to  both sides. Artists should be able to do this and Jango should be able to charge for it, but let&#8217;s make sure that there is no confusion. Like Erick mentioned, they need better disclosure so no risk of confusion. It&#8217;s a free market after fall. Let them experiment and see if they can crack the bus model code. Could have some very interesting results.</p>
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		<title>By: Una nueva manera de ganar dinero a través de la música online &#171; Por toda la Red</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2648885</link>
		<dc:creator>Una nueva manera de ganar dinero a través de la música online &#171; Por toda la Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Una nueva manera de ganar dinero a través de la música&#160;online  9 03 2009   La industria musical se está reinventando y cada vez existen más servicios que ofrecen valor al usuario. Hace poco hablamos de spotify y spotishare y hoy a través de Techcrunch leo sobre jango. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pay-For-Comes To Play Online Radio. Est-ce un problème? @ 工具及科技新闻</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pay-For-Comes To Play Online Radio. Est-ce un problème? @ 工具及科技新闻</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>付费来播放在线广播。是，是件坏事吗？付费来播放在线广播。是，是件坏事吗？ @ 工具及科技新闻</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Pay-For-Play Comes To Online Radio. &#171; I Am Rajendra - Watch The World With Me&#8230;..</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pay-For-Play Comes To Online Radio. &#171; I Am Rajendra - Watch The World With Me&#8230;..</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Posted on March 9, 2009. Filed under: Music &#124; Tags: Jango, Music, Online Radio, Pay-For-Play, Radio Station &#124;  By Erick Schonfeld, Techcrunch.com [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted on March 9, 2009. Filed under: Music | Tags: Jango, Music, Online Radio, Pay-For-Play, Radio Station |  By Erick Schonfeld, Techcrunch.com [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ペイ・フォー・プレイがオンラインラジオにやってきた。これは悪いことなのか？ &#124; KGRAND ONLINE NEWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ペイ・フォー・プレイがオンラインラジオにやってきた。これは悪いことなのか？ &#124; KGRAND ONLINE NEWS</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: tekkiegurl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tekkiegurl</dc:creator>
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		<description>it should always be co beneficial for everyone.


http://www.healthsitedirectory.com</description>
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		<title>By: Sachin Rekhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sachin Rekhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This concept is nothing new. Last.FM has been running a similar pay-per-play program called Powerplay Campaigns in their online radio stations for years.

A similar debate has occurred in the past regarding their program&#039;s similarity to payola. You can see it on their own forums here:

http://www.last.fm/forum/5/_/332810

I agree with most of the comments here that this would be a fine monetization strategy if it was clearly disclosed that these plays are paid-for promotions. I am not aware of either Last.FM or Jango doing so though.

Even then, I&#039;m not sure how large of a monetization opportunity this is, as most indie or unsigned bands will tell you they don&#039;t have much of a promotional budget to throw at things like this. And there are already a variety of free ways to promote your music through iLike, MySpace, etc that I am uncertain if a site like Jango will be able to command the few dollars that these artists have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This concept is nothing new. Last.FM has been running a similar pay-per-play program called Powerplay Campaigns in their online radio stations for years.</p>
<p>A similar debate has occurred in the past regarding their program&#8217;s similarity to payola. You can see it on their own forums here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.last.fm/forum/5/_/332810" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.last.fm/forum/5/_/332810'>http://www.last...orum/5/_/332810</a></p>
<p>I agree with most of the comments here that this would be a fine monetization strategy if it was clearly disclosed that these plays are paid-for promotions. I am not aware of either Last.FM or Jango doing so though.</p>
<p>Even then, I&#8217;m not sure how large of a monetization opportunity this is, as most indie or unsigned bands will tell you they don&#8217;t have much of a promotional budget to throw at things like this. And there are already a variety of free ways to promote your music through iLike, MySpace, etc that I am uncertain if a site like Jango will be able to command the few dollars that these artists have.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also:

http://www.thedeal.com/dealscape/technology/the-note/highnotes-biz-model-explores-p.php</description>
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		<title>By: PerfectMOney Share Idea</title>
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		<dc:creator>PerfectMOney Share Idea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pray the success of this pay-per-play when Jango repair there ads code as what this post said,More click means less rate,without it,I agree that Jango is Just ordinary ads that is just &quot;learning to Monetize and yet deserve to be called &quot;advertising Unique business model&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pray the success of this pay-per-play when Jango repair there ads code as what this post said,More click means less rate,without it,I agree that Jango is Just ordinary ads that is just &#8220;learning to Monetize and yet deserve to be called &#8220;advertising Unique business model&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ペイ・フォー・プレイがオンラインラジオにやってきた。これは悪いことなのか？</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2648361</link>
		<dc:creator>ペイ・フォー・プレイがオンラインラジオにやってきた。これは悪いことなのか？</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Melvin M. Tercan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2648268</link>
		<dc:creator>Melvin M. Tercan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The way Jango has it working now, any given listener will hear an AirPlay song no more than once every two hours, and no listener will hear the same Airplay song more than once a day.&quot;

The problem with such systems is scalability... the amount of Airplays that Jango can offer is inherently limited by it&#039;s userbase... (the amount of certain airplays possible per day is equal to the amount of daily users and the total airplays that jango can deliver per day is equal to daily users times 12). Sure it isn&#039;t a problem today, but what if the popularity of this pay for play eventually reaches the limit and outpaces new user growth?

Something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The way Jango has it working now, any given listener will hear an AirPlay song no more than once every two hours, and no listener will hear the same Airplay song more than once a day.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with such systems is scalability&#8230; the amount of Airplays that Jango can offer is inherently limited by it&#8217;s userbase&#8230; (the amount of certain airplays possible per day is equal to the amount of daily users and the total airplays that jango can deliver per day is equal to daily users times 12). Sure it isn&#8217;t a problem today, but what if the popularity of this pay for play eventually reaches the limit and outpaces new user growth?</p>
<p>Something to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: sexy Technichian</title>
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		<dc:creator>sexy Technichian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>certainly not the first online service doing this... just the only one that divulged its business model</description>
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		<title>By: KOPN Tech Radio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; News Bytes for 3/9/2009</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2648130</link>
		<dc:creator>KOPN Tech Radio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; News Bytes for 3/9/2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pay-to-play comes to online radio [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Affärssmart.se &#187; Webbradio har utvecklingspotential - Hänger svenska medier med?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/08/pay-for-play-comes-to-online-radio-is-that-a-bad-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2648101</link>
		<dc:creator>Affärssmart.se &#187; Webbradio har utvecklingspotential - Hänger svenska medier med?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] det dock som om jag har fått en ny favoritradio-site. Jango visar även på nytänk genom att testa pay-for-play, dvs att okända band kan köpa speltid bland &#8220;den vanliga&#8221; spellistan. Att band ska [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] det dock som om jag har fått en ny favoritradio-site. Jango visar även på nytänk genom att testa pay-for-play, dvs att okända band kan köpa speltid bland &#8220;den vanliga&#8221; spellistan. Att band ska [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Searles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Searles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its great to see these kind of experiments.. the evolution of this market place needs more mutants.. and as long as it&#039;s not the dominant thing.. who cares if you don&#039;t like it.. just don&#039;t listen, right?

As an artist there&#039;s lots of modes to trying to get word out.. and not all of them cost money.. blogging, podcasting, tweeting, youtub-ing, community building.. putting together a press kit and pitching, influencer outreach.. its all more time and energy then money.. I mean welcome to social media marketing and communications, right? 

So I don&#039;t know that we artists NEED to pay for promotions but.. but more options is always good.

I frankly think that... well lets say I have a track I want you to hear.. you&#039;re time and attention are limited commodities.. so I mean.. the notion of paying someone to check you out isn&#039;t such a terrible thing to me.. though that&#039;s different from paying a virtual radio station.. and the payment need not be, strictly speaking, economic..

As an artist in social media.. I want the community / consumer / audience / user experience to be the best it possibly can.. and I don&#039;t really want to pay for promotion / advertising where.. it somehow takes away from that.. where a part of what you associate my brand with then becomes the crap you&#039;re forced to digest to get to get whatever it is you want.

But I also thing that super highly targeted advertisement can actually be content.

So in the end I figure.. the verdict is still out.. and I think its more a question of how its done then if its done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its great to see these kind of experiments.. the evolution of this market place needs more mutants.. and as long as it&#8217;s not the dominant thing.. who cares if you don&#8217;t like it.. just don&#8217;t listen, right?</p>
<p>As an artist there&#8217;s lots of modes to trying to get word out.. and not all of them cost money.. blogging, podcasting, tweeting, youtub-ing, community building.. putting together a press kit and pitching, influencer outreach.. its all more time and energy then money.. I mean welcome to social media marketing and communications, right? </p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t know that we artists NEED to pay for promotions but.. but more options is always good.</p>
<p>I frankly think that&#8230; well lets say I have a track I want you to hear.. you&#8217;re time and attention are limited commodities.. so I mean.. the notion of paying someone to check you out isn&#8217;t such a terrible thing to me.. though that&#8217;s different from paying a virtual radio station.. and the payment need not be, strictly speaking, economic..</p>
<p>As an artist in social media.. I want the community / consumer / audience / user experience to be the best it possibly can.. and I don&#8217;t really want to pay for promotion / advertising where.. it somehow takes away from that.. where a part of what you associate my brand with then becomes the crap you&#8217;re forced to digest to get to get whatever it is you want.</p>
<p>But I also thing that super highly targeted advertisement can actually be content.</p>
<p>So in the end I figure.. the verdict is still out.. and I think its more a question of how its done then if its done.</p>
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