Comments on: Facebook: You Own All Your Data. Period. (But See You at the Next Privacy Uproar.) http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:15:30 -0800 hourly 1 By: lfabris http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-3073979 lfabris Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:13:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-3073979 there is a facebook app that supposedly helps increase privacy. i read about it in this article that lists apps for parents (such as tracking offenders, product recalls, and more). thought it might help. http://www.lawfirms.com/facebook-sex-offender-apps.html there is a facebook app that supposedly helps increase privacy. i read about it in this article that lists apps for parents (such as tracking offenders, product recalls, and more). thought it might help.
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]]> By: Facebook Politics | Jason Chan - Digital, Web and e-Commerce Strategy http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2640628 Facebook Politics | Jason Chan - Digital, Web and e-Commerce Strategy Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:03:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2640628 [...] to say, the public balked and Facebook caved and went back to its previous ToS. Now, the company seems to be backing away from its authoritarian stance, taking a more democratic [...] [...] to say, the public balked and Facebook caved and went back to its previous ToS. Now, the company seems to be backing away from its authoritarian stance, taking a more democratic [...]

]]> By: GB http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2640225 GB Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:19:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2640225 If Facebook can 'own' and control all the data, so can Pirate Bay! If Facebook can ‘own’ and control all the data, so can Pirate Bay!

]]> By: Facebook Opens Up Its Terms Of Service To Input From Users | Blog YODspica Ltd http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2638119 Facebook Opens Up Its Terms Of Service To Input From Users | Blog YODspica Ltd Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:44:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2638119 [...] of service a couple weeks ago, along with its subsequent backpedaling and public assurances that users own their data, the company is trying a different tack. It is inviting users to comment and contribute on proposed [...] [...] of service a couple weeks ago, along with its subsequent backpedaling and public assurances that users own their data, the company is trying a different tack. It is inviting users to comment and contribute on proposed [...]

]]> By: Facebook’s bizarre definition of data ownership « Tempus Fugit by Mark Jaquith http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2638060 Facebook’s bizarre definition of data ownership « Tempus Fugit by Mark Jaquith Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:38:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2638060 [...] Facebook management seems to agree with this view. On an NBC round table interview, Facebook Chief Privacy Officer Chris Kelly was asked by the host, point blank, “does Facebook own my pictures, my poetry, my messages… yes or no?” Kelly’s response: “Absolutely not.” [...] [...] Facebook management seems to agree with this view. On an NBC round table interview, Facebook Chief Privacy Officer Chris Kelly was asked by the host, point blank, “does Facebook own my pictures, my poetry, my messages… yes or no?” Kelly’s response: “Absolutely not.” [...]

]]> By: Facebook Opens Up Its Terms Of Service To Input From Users http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2637834 Facebook Opens Up Its Terms Of Service To Input From Users Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:59:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2637834 [...] of service a couple weeks ago, along with its subsequent backpedaling and public assurances that users own their data, the company is trying a different tack. It is inviting users to comment and contribute on proposed [...] [...] of service a couple weeks ago, along with its subsequent backpedaling and public assurances that users own their data, the company is trying a different tack. It is inviting users to comment and contribute on proposed [...]

]]> By: Kit http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2635040 Kit Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:04:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2635040 when did Julia Allison start writing for techcrunch? when did Julia Allison start writing for techcrunch?

]]> By: Mark Jaquith http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2634706 Mark Jaquith Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:18:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2634706 Spot on, Andrew. When people talk about ownership and aren't lawyers, what they really mean is <strong>control</strong>. And whether or not Facebook owns your content, it clearly <strong>controls</strong> it. Take a look at Facebook connect. <strong>You cannot export the Facebook data that you "own" to third party sites, even if you explicitly grant such permission to the third party site.</strong> What the hell good is privacy controls when I don't have the ability to take my data out of Facebook and move it elsewhere? That's like saying prisoners have privacy because they can put people on their list of allowed visitors -- but at the end of the data, it is the prison that controls them and all access to them. And you don't get to leave. Spot on, Andrew. When people talk about ownership and aren’t lawyers, what they really mean is control. And whether or not Facebook owns your content, it clearly controls it. Take a look at Facebook connect. You cannot export the Facebook data that you “own” to third party sites, even if you explicitly grant such permission to the third party site. What the hell good is privacy controls when I don’t have the ability to take my data out of Facebook and move it elsewhere? That’s like saying prisoners have privacy because they can put people on their list of allowed visitors — but at the end of the data, it is the prison that controls them and all access to them. And you don’t get to leave.

]]> By: Q http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-1/#comment-2634492 Q Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:52:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2634492 Excellent point. Excellent point.

]]> By: ay http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2634465 ay Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:36:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2634465 What I don't understand is that once you have agreed to a TOS on-line a company can still change it. And for some magic reason you are automatically assumed that you agree with an updated version of that TOS too. The USA government should pass a law about personal info. Personal information must belong to and only to a person (about whom that information is). Don't know about banks, work places, but social network sites must not save any personal information after a user decides to cancel and remove his/her account (not to deactivate, but completely remove an account together with photos/comments/texts/etc. EVERYTHING). JUST MAKE THEM DO IT. PERIOD. What I don’t understand is that once you have agreed to a TOS on-line a company can still change it. And for some magic reason you are automatically assumed that you agree with an updated version of that TOS too.

The USA government should pass a law about personal info. Personal information must belong to and only to a person (about whom that information is). Don’t know about banks, work places, but social network sites must not save any personal information after a user decides to cancel and remove his/her account (not to deactivate, but completely remove an account together with photos/comments/texts/etc. EVERYTHING).

JUST MAKE THEM DO IT. PERIOD.

]]> By: Community Guy, Jake McKee - When will Facebook learn? http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2634253 Community Guy, Jake McKee - When will Facebook learn? Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:45:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2634253 [...] Lacy posted on TechCrunch about the Facebook Terms of Service debacle. You know, the one where Facebook (again) made major [...] [...] Lacy posted on TechCrunch about the Facebook Terms of Service debacle. You know, the one where Facebook (again) made major [...]

]]> By: Data Privacy, Data Ownership and Who You Trust « I’m Not Actually a Geek http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2634251 Data Privacy, Data Ownership and Who You Trust « I’m Not Actually a Geek Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:44:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2634251 [...] Facebook does have some work to continue building out people’s trust in the site. But as people watch Facebook, I thought it’d be instructive to look at the the [...] [...] Facebook does have some work to continue building out people’s trust in the site. But as people watch Facebook, I thought it’d be instructive to look at the the [...]

]]> By: anonymous http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2633865 anonymous Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:07:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633865 I believe that you might be correct. I believe that you might be correct.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-1/#comment-2633826 anonymous Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:32:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633826 I agree that something is fishy in the blogosphere. There are a lot of tech blogs that have come down on the side of Facebook, where the writers have personal relationships with people in high positions at Facebook. I wouldn't outright assume that Facebook is paying Techcrunch or Sarah Lacy, but they are probably highly aware that they are kissing Facebook's ass and will expect to get more access in terms of information, interviews, etc. Every intelligent and accurate interpretation of the TOS recognizes that Facebook could do dirty things with our information and content the way it was worded. Why is every tech blog coming out and saying "No, they wouldn't, trust them." Now I neither trust Facebook nor these non-journalist bloggers. I agree that something is fishy in the blogosphere. There are a lot of tech blogs that have come down on the side of Facebook, where the writers have personal relationships with people in high positions at Facebook. I wouldn’t outright assume that Facebook is paying Techcrunch or Sarah Lacy, but they are probably highly aware that they are kissing Facebook’s ass and will expect to get more access in terms of information, interviews, etc.

Every intelligent and accurate interpretation of the TOS recognizes that Facebook could do dirty things with our information and content the way it was worded. Why is every tech blog coming out and saying “No, they wouldn’t, trust them.” Now I neither trust Facebook nor these non-journalist bloggers.

]]> By: Quicksite http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-1/#comment-2633754 Quicksite Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:12:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633754 Wow - the legal language contained in Helen's comment (quoting Facebook's TOS language) seems completely unambiguous to me. I hope we see Sarah respond directly to your post, Helen, because right now not only does Sarah have egg on her face, but she seems really out of her league if she misconstrues that language to mean "all is well, we don't own your content, settle down folks". Pretty pathetic article writing, and should be owned up to. Wow – the legal language contained in Helen’s comment (quoting Facebook’s TOS language) seems completely unambiguous to me. I hope we see Sarah respond directly to your post, Helen, because right now not only does Sarah have egg on her face, but she seems really out of her league if she misconstrues that language to mean “all is well, we don’t own your content, settle down folks”.

Pretty pathetic article writing, and should be owned up to.

]]> By: David Miller http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-1/#comment-2633743 David Miller Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:51:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633743 Its a good idea where ever you are on the internet to watch what you post. I will say this I am sure there are those that will read the TOS & Privacy Statements, but I am also sure the vast majotity don't. It would be interesting to know how many people actually read the aggrements they are asked to agree to when they sign up. You can bet the website owners have a good idea. Its a good idea where ever you are on the internet to watch what you post. I will say this I am sure there are those that will read the TOS & Privacy Statements, but I am also sure the vast majotity don’t.

It would be interesting to know how many people actually read the aggrements they are asked to agree to when they sign up. You can bet the website owners have a good idea.

]]> By: David Miller http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2633732 David Miller Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:23:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633732 I don’t need to repeat what many have correctly said here. I don’t need to repeat what many have correctly said here.

]]> By: Michael Flint http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2633648 Michael Flint Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:42:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633648 Um, why would Facebook start giving away your information? Wouldn't that sort of hurt their reputation? Personally, I like the price of this amazing social networking tool. Given the fact that what I post is shared with all of my friends and a bunch of my associates, I choose not to post my deep dark secrets, my social security number, my credit card numbers, or directions to my house. So Facebook, if you want to use one of my quippy comments or a photo of my kids to promote your little social network, well, I'd be honored. Um, why would Facebook start giving away your information? Wouldn’t that sort of hurt their reputation? Personally, I like the price of this amazing social networking tool. Given the fact that what I post is shared with all of my friends and a bunch of my associates, I choose not to post my deep dark secrets, my social security number, my credit card numbers, or directions to my house.

So Facebook, if you want to use one of my quippy comments or a photo of my kids to promote your little social network, well, I’d be honored.

]]> By: Brian Sherwin @ Myartspace Blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-1/#comment-2633628 Brian Sherwin @ Myartspace Blog Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:31:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633628 The uproar over this shows just how much people support copyright-- as long as it is their writing, music, photos, or art that is in danger. When it comes down to the line most people agree with strict copyright laws. People are fickle though. They want their writing to be protected, but at the same time they will download music tracks without paying. The uproar over this shows just how much people support copyright– as long as it is their writing, music, photos, or art that is in danger. When it comes down to the line most people agree with strict copyright laws. People are fickle though. They want their writing to be protected, but at the same time they will download music tracks without paying.

]]> By: Eau Claire Wisconsin Business & Technology News http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2633610 Eau Claire Wisconsin Business & Technology News Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:12:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633610 <strong>The Facebook Fiasco: Apparently it was Just not True or was it?...</strong> ...... The Facebook Fiasco: Apparently it was Just not True or was it?…

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]]> By: Facebook does not own your data and content « Stephen’s Digital Advertising Blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2633553 Facebook does not own your data and content « Stephen’s Digital Advertising Blog Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:20:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633553 [...] Click here full the full story anyway. [...] [...] Click here full the full story anyway. [...]

]]> By: coffee http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-2/#comment-2633537 coffee Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:02:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633537 Sadly, most people would not have looked closely enough to notice the change in Facebook's Terms of Service... apparently social networkers are doing a good job of looking out for each other Sadly, most people would not have looked closely enough to notice the change in Facebook’s Terms of Service… apparently social networkers are doing a good job of looking out for each other

]]> By: Cinger http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-1/#comment-2633500 Cinger Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:53:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633500 Truth be told, you forfeited your privacy the moment you made your first blog post, or entered any valid information about yourself, on any site. Ok, transparency wise, facebook got in trouble. Ownership... I still don't see the big deal here? So they could have "ownership" of my photos. I fail to see how this hurts me as a user. Truth be told, you forfeited your privacy the moment you made your first blog post, or entered any valid information about yourself, on any site.

Ok, transparency wise, facebook got in trouble.

Ownership… I still don’t see the big deal here? So they could have “ownership” of my photos. I fail to see how this hurts me as a user.

]]> By: Smart Babes are Sexy Blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-1/#comment-2633430 Smart Babes are Sexy Blog Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:37:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633430 The issue is not about whether people can download your images or not. The issue is not even about whether Facebooks knows things about you or not. Most people are surprised to know how much website know about you even if you don't give them any information, for example at http://www.internetprivacyforum.org/how-private.php The issue is about transparency and ownership. The only sheep in this discussion are the Facebook fanboys and accomplices that are completely cluless to when their rights or freedoms are being taken away from them. Anjali Sen The issue is not about whether people can download your images or not.

The issue is not even about whether Facebooks knows things about you or not. Most people are surprised to know how much website know about you even if you don’t give them any information, for example at http://www.inte...how-private.php

The issue is about transparency and ownership.

The only sheep in this discussion are the Facebook fanboys and accomplices that are completely cluless to when their rights or freedoms are being taken away from them.

Anjali Sen

]]> By: Joe http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/21/facebook-you-own-all-your-data-period-but-see-you-at-the-next-privacy-uproar/comment-page-1/#comment-2633417 Joe Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:26:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=45297#comment-2633417 chick magazine..........Dont be so harsh those magazines have much higher standards. Why is this idot posting articles in a Tech website? chick magazine……….Dont be so harsh those magazines have much higher standards.

Why is this idot posting articles in a Tech website?

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