Comments on: The New Bulls-Eye on Google http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:29:47 -0800 hourly 1 By: Cell http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-2/#comment-3031636 Cell Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:36:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-3031636 i think that’s a fair point, salim, but there’s also a huge difference between being a dominant market leader and monopolist. you say other ad networks are not an alternative, but that’s not because google has abused some inherent advantage unfairly. this is not a case of google, say, using its search dominance to only direct you to sites that advertise with google. this is, again, because google has built the better search engine and people want to advertise on it to reach people like me who chose to go there for every search i think that’s a fair point, salim, but there’s also a huge difference between being a dominant market leader and monopolist. you say other ad networks are not an alternative, but that’s not because google has abused some inherent advantage unfairly. this is not a case of google, say, using its search dominance to only direct you to sites that advertise with google. this is, again, because google has built the better search engine and people want to advertise on it to reach people like me who chose to go there for every search

]]> By: Googleのブランド価値は1000万ドルから低下傾向？ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-2/#comment-2912484 Googleのブランド価値は1000万ドルから低下傾向？ Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:49:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2912484 [...] ところでGoogleは、市場価値の70%をブランド価値に負っているのだろうか。またレポートが出てから、ブランド価値は低下しているのではないだろうか。今やGoogleは司法省反トラスト局、競合他社その他から不倶戴天の敵としての扱いを受けていたりもする。 [...] [...] ところでGoogleは、市場価値の70%をブランド価値に負っているのだろうか。またレポートが出てから、ブランド価値は低下しているのではないだろうか。今やGoogleは司法省反トラスト局、競合他社その他から不倶戴天の敵としての扱いを受けていたりもする。 [...]

]]> By: What’s The Google Brand Worth These Days? $100 Billion. Probably Less. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-2/#comment-2904781 What’s The Google Brand Worth These Days? $100 Billion. Probably Less. Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:09:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2904781 [...] market value, or has its brand taken a hit since the initial report?  After all, Google is now Public Enemy No. 1 in the eyes of the antitrust division of the U.S. Justice Department, competitors, and [...] [...] market value, or has its brand taken a hit since the initial report?  After all, Google is now Public Enemy No. 1 in the eyes of the antitrust division of the U.S. Justice Department, competitors, and [...]

]]> By: Hey Google, Free The Orphans | The Good NET Guide http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-2/#comment-2722544 Hey Google, Free The Orphans | The Good NET Guide Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:42:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2722544 [...] have the option to place their works under Creative Commons licenses. If Google wants to stop being treated like a monopolist, it needs to stop acting like [...] [...] have the option to place their works under Creative Commons licenses. If Google wants to stop being treated like a monopolist, it needs to stop acting like [...]

]]> By: Hey Google, Free The Orphans | CHARGED's Digital Lifestyle at Work or Play http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-2/#comment-2722279 Hey Google, Free The Orphans | CHARGED's Digital Lifestyle at Work or Play Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:18:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2722279 [...] have the option to place their works under Creative Commons licenses. If Google wants to stop being treated like a monopolist, it needs to stop acting like [...] [...] have the option to place their works under Creative Commons licenses. If Google wants to stop being treated like a monopolist, it needs to stop acting like [...]

]]> By: Trade Jim News » Hey Google, Free The Orphans http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-2/#comment-2722249 Trade Jim News » Hey Google, Free The Orphans Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:56:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2722249 [...] have the option to place their works under Creative Commons licenses. If Google wants to stop being treated like a monopolist, it needs to stop acting like [...] [...] have the option to place their works under Creative Commons licenses. If Google wants to stop being treated like a monopolist, it needs to stop acting like [...]

]]> By: Hey Google, Free The Orphans http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-2/#comment-2722240 Hey Google, Free The Orphans Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:47:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2722240 [...] have the option to place their works under Creative Commons licenses. If Google wants to stop being treated like a monopolist, it needs to stop acting like [...] [...] have the option to place their works under Creative Commons licenses. If Google wants to stop being treated like a monopolist, it needs to stop acting like [...]

]]> By: 聞こえてくるあの泣き言は、新聞の死のあえぎ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2688798 聞こえてくるあの泣き言は、新聞の死のあえぎ Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:49:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2688798 [...] このことはGoogleも今日指摘している。しかし、新聞業界はみんなと全く同じようにGoogleを標的にする。それは、Googleが一番金を持っていて、ウェブ上の情報や関心の大きな流れを作れるからだ。しかし、Sullivanも言うとおり、新聞業界がYahooに文句を言ったのを聞いたことがない。Yahoo NewsはGoogle Newsよりはるかに規模が大きいにもかかわらず。恐らくそれは、Yahooが米国内の新聞793紙の広告パートナーであり、トラフィックの流れを直接新聞社のウェブサイトに向けているからだろう。 [...] [...] このことはGoogleも今日指摘している。しかし、新聞業界はみんなと全く同じようにGoogleを標的にする。それは、Googleが一番金を持っていて、ウェブ上の情報や関心の大きな流れを作れるからだ。しかし、Sullivanも言うとおり、新聞業界がYahooに文句を言ったのを聞いたことがない。Yahoo NewsはGoogle Newsよりはるかに規模が大きいにもかかわらず。恐らくそれは、Yahooが米国内の新聞793紙の広告パートナーであり、トラフィックの流れを直接新聞社のウェブサイトに向けているからだろう。 [...]

]]> By: Tech Group » That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2688128 Tech Group » That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:44:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2688128 [...] newspapers are targeting Google, just like everyone else, because it has the deepest pockets and directs large currents of information and attention on the [...] [...] newspapers are targeting Google, just like everyone else, because it has the deepest pockets and directs large currents of information and attention on the [...]

]]> By: That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2688025 That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:50:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2688025 [...] newspapers are targeting Google, just like everyone else, because it has the deepest pockets and directs large currents of information and attention on the [...] [...] newspapers are targeting Google, just like everyone else, because it has the deepest pockets and directs large currents of information and attention on the [...]

]]> By: クラウドコンピューティングの危険性でプライバシー保護団体がGmailの差し止めを請求 http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2658753 クラウドコンピューティングの危険性でプライバシー保護団体がGmailの差し止めを請求 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:59:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2658753 [...] そうです: EPICはGmailを…お母さんが危険なおもちゃを子どもの手から取り上げるみたいに…あなたから取り上げたいのです。クラウドコンピューティングはかなり前からあるし、セキュリティの侵害もGoogle Docsの一件が初めてではない。でも最近はGmailやGoogle Docsなどクラウド上の消費者サービスが普及し始めたから、プライバシー保護団体もその危険性に急に目覚めたわけだ。私たちはWeb上のメール、文書、写真の保存などを、あまり深く考えずに信頼してしまう傾向がある。セキュリティの向上は当然必要だ。でもそれは、Googleだけの問題ではない。業界全体の問題だ。EPICはGoogleを一つの例として取り上げているのだ。なにしろ大きくて、みんながいちばん恐れている企業だからね。 [...] [...] そうです: EPICはGmailを…お母さんが危険なおもちゃを子どもの手から取り上げるみたいに…あなたから取り上げたいのです。クラウドコンピューティングはかなり前からあるし、セキュリティの侵害もGoogle Docsの一件が初めてではない。でも最近はGmailやGoogle Docsなどクラウド上の消費者サービスが普及し始めたから、プライバシー保護団体もその危険性に急に目覚めたわけだ。私たちはWeb上のメール、文書、写真の保存などを、あまり深く考えずに信頼してしまう傾向がある。セキュリティの向上は当然必要だ。でもそれは、Googleだけの問題ではない。業界全体の問題だ。EPICはGoogleを一つの例として取り上げているのだ。なにしろ大きくて、みんながいちばん恐れている企業だからね。 [...]

]]> By: The Perils Of Cloud Computing: Privacy Group Wants To Take Your Gmail Away | Reviews Manual http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2658471 The Perils Of Cloud Computing: Privacy Group Wants To Take Your Gmail Away | Reviews Manual Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:49:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2658471 [...] That’s right: EPIC wants to verify absent your Gmail. Cloud profession is not a newborn profession and the Google Docs status was sure not the prototypal section severance But today that consumer services in the darken same Gmail, Google Docs and others are first to verify off, concealment groups are dead waking up to the risks involved. We do run to consortium darken services such as Web-based email, document, and picture hardware without intellection likewise such most it. And meliorate section is sure needed. But this is not exclusive a Google problem. It is an industry-wide problem. EPIC is disagreeable to attain an warning discover of Google because it is the bounteous consort everyone is afraid of most. [...] [...] That’s right: EPIC wants to verify absent your Gmail. Cloud profession is not a newborn profession and the Google Docs status was sure not the prototypal section severance But today that consumer services in the darken same Gmail, Google Docs and others are first to verify off, concealment groups are dead waking up to the risks involved. We do run to consortium darken services such as Web-based email, document, and picture hardware without intellection likewise such most it. And meliorate section is sure needed. But this is not exclusive a Google problem. It is an industry-wide problem. EPIC is disagreeable to attain an warning discover of Google because it is the bounteous consort everyone is afraid of most. [...]

]]> By: Sarah Lacy http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2632511 Sarah Lacy Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:56:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2632511 i think that's a fair point, salim, but there's also a huge difference between being a dominant market leader and monopolist. you say other ad networks are not an alternative, but that's not because google has abused some inherent advantage unfairly. this is not a case of google, say, using its search dominance to only direct you to sites that advertise with google. this is, again, because google has built the better search engine and people want to advertise on it to reach people like me who chose to go there for every search. if they abuse that-- not as a monopolist, but as a business that has a trust with its users and advertisers-- well then that's an opportunity for someone to build something better and that's what silicon valley is built on. blame yahoo and microsoft for not building comparable products, don't ask the government to hobble google because they've won a market and you as a business want to advertise to their base. i think that’s a fair point, salim, but there’s also a huge difference between being a dominant market leader and monopolist. you say other ad networks are not an alternative, but that’s not because google has abused some inherent advantage unfairly. this is not a case of google, say, using its search dominance to only direct you to sites that advertise with google. this is, again, because google has built the better search engine and people want to advertise on it to reach people like me who chose to go there for every search. if they abuse that– not as a monopolist, but as a business that has a trust with its users and advertisers– well then that’s an opportunity for someone to build something better and that’s what silicon valley is built on. blame yahoo and microsoft for not building comparable products, don’t ask the government to hobble google because they’ve won a market and you as a business want to advertise to their base.

]]> By: Salim Mitha http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2632509 Salim Mitha Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:47:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2632509 The other element of Google's "monopoly" that the writer misses is the fact that their monopoly extends beyond the consumer search technology (google.com, .co.uk, etc) to the Adwords platform. I would encourage TC writers to also consider how Google is using/can abuse its dominant market position in search queries to act uncompetitively towards advertisers who have really no other option when it comes to keyword advertising online (and no, Y! or MSN is not an alternative). Businesses DO NOT have a choice here, unlike your example of your choice of deciding to go to use google.com everyday. Businesses do not have this same choice - its Adwords or nothing! Google has used its monopoly position here to introduce elements that increase their revenue at the the expense of businesses by introducing things like first page min. bids, and even auto-opting in Adwords campaigns to new platforms (for example showing ads on iPhones) which causes ad budgets to get spent more quickly. I wrote a blog post on the last element (http://busterblog.wordpress.com/2008/12/19/google-adwords-auto-opt-in-for-iphones-and-other-mobile-devices/), but as an advertiser via Adwords for my company Wahanda, it is clear that Google is using its market dominance to squeeze more dollars in a very non-consumer friendly manner (almost "evil"). The other element of Google’s “monopoly” that the writer misses is the fact that their monopoly extends beyond the consumer search technology (google.com, .co.uk, etc) to the Adwords platform.

I would encourage TC writers to also consider how Google is using/can abuse its dominant market position in search queries to act uncompetitively towards advertisers who have really no other option when it comes to keyword advertising online (and no, Y! or MSN is not an alternative). Businesses DO NOT have a choice here, unlike your example of your choice of deciding to go to use google.com everyday. Businesses do not have this same choice – its Adwords or nothing!

Google has used its monopoly position here to introduce elements that increase their revenue at the the expense of businesses by introducing things like first page min. bids, and even auto-opting in Adwords campaigns to new platforms (for example showing ads on iPhones) which causes ad budgets to get spent more quickly.

I wrote a blog post on the last element (http://busterbl...mobile-devices/), but as an advertiser via Adwords for my company Wahanda, it is clear that Google is using its market dominance to squeeze more dollars in a very non-consumer friendly manner (almost “evil”).

]]> By: MikeH http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2631282 MikeH Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:09:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2631282 Thanks for that post Sarah, finally someone on TC that agrees there is a difference between a monopoly that forces users into using their crappy products and a monopoly that has become a monopoly because nobody else can do the same job quite as well as them. The MS Office analogy is a great example of how M$ locks people in. The company I earn my bread and butter at would jump to open office if given the chance but our proofreaders and contributors all use MS Office. If any other search engine actually found me exactly what I was looking for even when I didn't really know what I was looking for I would give it a full go. I have yet to find that fresh search engine and so I am quite comfortable with Google. Thanks for that post Sarah, finally someone on TC that agrees there is a difference between a monopoly that forces users into using their crappy products and a monopoly that has become a monopoly because nobody else can do the same job quite as well as them.

The MS Office analogy is a great example of how M$ locks people in. The company I earn my bread and butter at would jump to open office if given the chance but our proofreaders and contributors all use MS Office.

If any other search engine actually found me exactly what I was looking for even when I didn’t really know what I was looking for I would give it a full go. I have yet to find that fresh search engine and so I am quite comfortable with Google.

]]> By: DJ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2630703 DJ Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:09:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2630703 Good conclusion... "... let’s not punish a site that has market power simply because it works." Good conclusion…
“… let’s not punish a site that has market power simply because it works.”

]]> By: Nintendo DSi priced/dated, 3 More suits against Google « Trying to Write http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2630648 Nintendo DSi priced/dated, 3 More suits against Google « Trying to Write Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:50:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2630648 [...] Google has been sued 3 more times. [Link] [...] [...] Google has been sued 3 more times. [Link] [...]

]]> By: Adriano Gonçalves http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2630636 Adriano Gonçalves Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:26:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2630636 I don't understand when you compare Google's Monopoly do the use of Microsoft Word as a text editor. You don't have to use it either, people use it because it's a lot better than any other text editor available. Same as Google Search. I don’t understand when you compare Google’s Monopoly do the use of Microsoft Word as a text editor. You don’t have to use it either, people use it because it’s a lot better than any other text editor available. Same as Google Search.

]]> By: Borg http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2630585 Borg Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:55:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2630585 There's no reason to be so literal about the word "monopolist." When Christine Varney says "monopolist," she means it the way antitrust people do: A company that can raise and lower prices, output or both without worrying they will lose market share. There ARE limits to adjusting output and price, but the extra $ dominant firms get is unbreatable -- it's why companies like Intel and MSFT and CIsco have margins that put the competition to shame precisely because there is no serious competition. If Google has abused it position it will pay a steep price. The Justice Department already determined that Google had a de facto monopoly in search ads when it blocked the Yahoo deal. Any future signs of abuse will bring the wrath of the Justice Department down upon GOOG, just as they once prosecuted MSFT. So, sarah, why not read up on the law (Bork's "The Antitrust Paradox" is a great place to start) then call around and talk to some antitrust professors? You'll get an earful if you do, trust me. There’s no reason to be so literal about the word “monopolist.”

When Christine Varney says “monopolist,” she means it the way antitrust people do: A company that can raise and lower prices, output or both without worrying they will lose market share.

There ARE limits to adjusting output and price, but the extra $ dominant firms get is unbreatable — it’s why companies like Intel and MSFT and CIsco have margins that put the competition to shame precisely because there is no serious competition.

If Google has abused it position it will pay a steep price. The Justice Department already determined that Google had a de facto monopoly in search ads when it blocked the Yahoo deal. Any future signs of abuse will bring the wrath of the Justice Department down upon GOOG, just as they once prosecuted MSFT.

So, sarah, why not read up on the law (Bork’s “The Antitrust Paradox” is a great place to start) then call around and talk to some antitrust professors? You’ll get an earful if you do, trust me.

]]> By: FloridaVentureBlog > Google Antitrust Violations http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2630452 FloridaVentureBlog > Google Antitrust Violations Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:07:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2630452 <strong>FloridaVentureBlog > Google Antitrust Violations...</strong> The real competition is for searchers and search advertisers -- two areas where Google wields monopoly power...... FloridaVentureBlog > Google Antitrust Violations…

The real competition is for searchers and search advertisers — two areas where Google wields monopoly power……

]]> By: David Reinertson http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2630300 David Reinertson Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:48:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2630300 Dear vooood: You're right, in that Microsoft isn't forcing me to buy their products, in the sense that Attila the Hun forced the Romans to pay tribute. However, the editors, the people who send MSWord attachments, the State workers who require IE to access their mandatory reporting sites, etc, give MS monopoly power. If you invent in certain areas, Microsoft can cause compatibility problems or put free clones on 95% of your potential buyers' computers. Consequently, innovation is discouraged in these areas, and tends to occur elsewhere. Dear vooood:
You’re right, in that Microsoft isn’t forcing me to buy their products, in the sense that Attila the Hun forced the Romans to pay tribute.
However, the editors, the people who send MSWord attachments, the State workers who require IE to access their mandatory reporting sites, etc, give MS monopoly power. If you invent in certain areas, Microsoft can cause compatibility problems or put free clones on 95% of your potential buyers’ computers. Consequently, innovation is discouraged in these areas, and tends to occur elsewhere.

]]> By: bollywood http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2630246 bollywood Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:51:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2630246 whatever people say iam gonna love Google. whatever people say iam gonna love Google.

]]> By: till http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2630219 till Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:15:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2630219 Except for a couple nerds, no one changes the search engines in the dropdown. ;-) Except for a couple nerds, no one changes the search engines in the dropdown. ;-)

]]> By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="649727070">Bala Asodu</fb:name> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2630157 Bala Asodu Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:07:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2630157 Its a good work Its a good work

]]> By: Allen - Montreal Web Design http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/18/the-new-bulls-eye-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2630138 Allen - Montreal Web Design Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:47:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=44600#comment-2630138 Google is doing a fine job. Hats off to them. Allen Google is doing a fine job. Hats off to them.

Allen

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