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		<title>By: Taking Advantage Of The DOJ Settlement, Redfin Lists More Data: Tiptoes Into New York &#124; UpOff.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taking Advantage Of The DOJ Settlement, Redfin Lists More Data: Tiptoes Into New York &#124; UpOff.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] brokerage fee. Traditional brokers don&#8217;t like this, but in this economy some of them are even partnering with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Taking Advantage Of The DOJ Settlement, Redfin Lists More Data: Tiptoes Into New York</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taking Advantage Of The DOJ Settlement, Redfin Lists More Data: Tiptoes Into New York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] brokerage fee. Traditional brokers don&#8217;t like this, but in this economy some of them are even partnering with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Taking Advantage Of The DOJ Settlement, Redfin Lists More Data: Tiptoes Into New York &#124; TechBeat&#124;Gather Tech News</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2710070</link>
		<dc:creator>Taking Advantage Of The DOJ Settlement, Redfin Lists More Data: Tiptoes Into New York &#124; TechBeat&#124;Gather Tech News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Unlike Trulia, though, Redfin is not just a real estate search engine. It is also a discount brokerage trying to with agents and partners. Redfin is trying to rewrite the rules of the real estate industry. Instead of taking a percentage of a sale, it charges a flat fee to home sellers of either $5,000 or $7,000. And for buyers, it refunds up to half the brokerage fee. Traditional brokers don&#8217;t like this, but in this economy some of them are even partnering with Redfin. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Unlike Trulia, though, Redfin is not just a real estate search engine. It is also a discount brokerage trying to with agents and partners. Redfin is trying to rewrite the rules of the real estate industry. Instead of taking a percentage of a sale, it charges a flat fee to home sellers of either $5,000 or $7,000. And for buyers, it refunds up to half the brokerage fee. Traditional brokers don&#8217;t like this, but in this economy some of them are even partnering with Redfin. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Taking Advantage Of The DOJ Settlement, Redfin Lists More Data: Tiptoes Into New York</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2710069</link>
		<dc:creator>Taking Advantage Of The DOJ Settlement, Redfin Lists More Data: Tiptoes Into New York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] brokerage fee. Traditional brokers don&#8217;t like this, but in this economy some of them are even partnering with Redfin.   CrunchBase Information   Redfin  Information provided by CrunchBase    Tweet [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an agent in San Francisco, I love the Redfin website but have found the contact who handles the transaction on the Redfin side to be completely clueless.  In a city with the complexities of rent control, condo conversion, Tenancy-in-Common, rules that change monthly, you need an experienced agent.  Real estate transactions are 85% counseling, 15% transaction.  Redfin&#039;s model doesn&#039;t account for the emotion of the buyers and sellers and therefore absolutely must change it&#039;s business model and change fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an agent in San Francisco, I love the Redfin website but have found the contact who handles the transaction on the Redfin side to be completely clueless.  In a city with the complexities of rent control, condo conversion, Tenancy-in-Common, rules that change monthly, you need an experienced agent.  Real estate transactions are 85% counseling, 15% transaction.  Redfin&#8217;s model doesn&#8217;t account for the emotion of the buyers and sellers and therefore absolutely must change it&#8217;s business model and change fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Estate Raj</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2669605</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Estate Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Irene Just as its changing the way we choose a lawyer, dentist or restaurant, the internet is slowly changing the way people choose their Realtors. Perspective buyers deserve information and options, companies like Redfin Trulia (plug ahead) and Neighborcity are doing just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Irene Just as its changing the way we choose a lawyer, dentist or restaurant, the internet is slowly changing the way people choose their Realtors. Perspective buyers deserve information and options, companies like Redfin Trulia (plug ahead) and Neighborcity are doing just that.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Estate Agent Professional - Redfin Refers While Trulia Targets New Markets</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2647442</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Estate Agent Professional - Redfin Refers While Trulia Targets New Markets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tech Crunch - Redfin Rolls Out The Welcome Mat For Foes Amidst Real Estate Crisis With the real estate market contracting and credit tightening, Redfin has been forced to reconsider its business model. It seems that these partnerships with real estate agents was necessary for Redfin to expand throughout the country without having to hire more agents. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tech Crunch &#8211; Redfin Rolls Out The Welcome Mat For Foes Amidst Real Estate Crisis With the real estate market contracting and credit tightening, Redfin has been forced to reconsider its business model. It seems that these partnerships with real estate agents was necessary for Redfin to expand throughout the country without having to hire more agents. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redfin has failed, continues to fail and will go under.

Deadpooled before end of 2009, perhaps even before summer of 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redfin has failed, continues to fail and will go under.</p>
<p>Deadpooled before end of 2009, perhaps even before summer of 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Estate License Direct</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2632782</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Estate License Direct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Real Estate License Information...&lt;/strong&gt;

Interesting post on getting a real estate license that I came across this weekend, which included...</description>
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<p>Interesting post on getting a real estate license that I came across this weekend, which included&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac W Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2625742</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac W Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happen to stumble upon this site and this conversation is very intriguing. I have been in the real estate industry for 15 years primarily multi-family and condominium development. I have also run a couple brokerage companies as well.  I am impressed with the Redfin model. I don&#039;t believe they are changing there model however refining it so they can continue to deliver quality service to it&#039;s client with out making a huge capital investment into market areas where they don&#039;t have a huge presence. They have spent a great deal of money to attract customers to their website why not capitalize on the opportunity and create a referral system. The bottom line is the customer, are they happy! I have a simple philosophy &quot;...the customer is always right, even when they are wrong...&quot;  Partnerships done correctly can create great opportunity for all involved. Traditional brokerage companies are hurting and they are looking for a way to increase revenue. All companies are refining and improve their business plans.  The customers and clients 
are the ultimate judge.

Isaac W. Kyle
iwkyle@icitycondo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happen to stumble upon this site and this conversation is very intriguing. I have been in the real estate industry for 15 years primarily multi-family and condominium development. I have also run a couple brokerage companies as well.  I am impressed with the Redfin model. I don&#8217;t believe they are changing there model however refining it so they can continue to deliver quality service to it&#8217;s client with out making a huge capital investment into market areas where they don&#8217;t have a huge presence. They have spent a great deal of money to attract customers to their website why not capitalize on the opportunity and create a referral system. The bottom line is the customer, are they happy! I have a simple philosophy &#8220;&#8230;the customer is always right, even when they are wrong&#8230;&#8221;  Partnerships done correctly can create great opportunity for all involved. Traditional brokerage companies are hurting and they are looking for a way to increase revenue. All companies are refining and improve their business plans.  The customers and clients<br />
are the ultimate judge.</p>
<p>Isaac W. Kyle<br />
<a href="mailto:iwkyle@icitycondo.com">iwkyle@icitycondo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: sfrob</title>
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		<dc:creator>sfrob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tough times make an experienced Realtor that much more valuable.  IMO only a newbie agent would work for a Redfin or Zip, and once they cut their teeth would leave for greener pastures.  then again, there are very smart people who work in public service for a lot less than they&#039;d make in the private sector, but for the most part i would not trust the single largest financial transaction of my life to a rookie or someone who can&#039;t make it in the &quot;real world&quot;.  OJ hired a dream team despite the fact that he could have gotten a free State offered public service lawyer.  gee, I wonder why?

those who don&#039;t value the service of experienced Realtors have either never bought/sold a home, or they live in a cookie cutter community where every home is exactly the same, or they hired a bad agent, mostly likely a HS friend or cousin who they didn&#039;t bother to interview first

but the bottom line is that you can buy and sell stocks for $7 a trade online on your own, or you can pay hefty fees to top firms and pros.  you really do get what you pay for IF you actually take the time to interview a few agents, which almost no Buyer ever does, but every Seller... the ones paying the commission... always does unless they use the one they&#039;ve used in the past who they DID feel earned the commission and deserves it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tough times make an experienced Realtor that much more valuable.  IMO only a newbie agent would work for a Redfin or Zip, and once they cut their teeth would leave for greener pastures.  then again, there are very smart people who work in public service for a lot less than they&#8217;d make in the private sector, but for the most part i would not trust the single largest financial transaction of my life to a rookie or someone who can&#8217;t make it in the &#8220;real world&#8221;.  OJ hired a dream team despite the fact that he could have gotten a free State offered public service lawyer.  gee, I wonder why?</p>
<p>those who don&#8217;t value the service of experienced Realtors have either never bought/sold a home, or they live in a cookie cutter community where every home is exactly the same, or they hired a bad agent, mostly likely a HS friend or cousin who they didn&#8217;t bother to interview first</p>
<p>but the bottom line is that you can buy and sell stocks for $7 a trade online on your own, or you can pay hefty fees to top firms and pros.  you really do get what you pay for IF you actually take the time to interview a few agents, which almost no Buyer ever does, but every Seller&#8230; the ones paying the commission&#8230; always does unless they use the one they&#8217;ve used in the past who they DID feel earned the commission and deserves it again.</p>
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		<title>By: We&#8217;re No Sell-Outs &#124; Redfin Corporate Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2624405</link>
		<dc:creator>We&#8217;re No Sell-Outs &#124; Redfin Corporate Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] introduce the steps we took to avoid those problems. Other news blogs then took the story further, making more aggressive claims about our selling out without talking to anyone [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] introduce the steps we took to avoid those problems. Other news blogs then took the story further, making more aggressive claims about our selling out without talking to anyone [...]</p>
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		<title>By: EmperorWatcher</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2624111</link>
		<dc:creator>EmperorWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn, 

Of course you have no choice but to defend your position, in spite of the failure to generate income according to your original business plan. 

As we enter the new reality of buying and selling real estate, the value of a traditional agent has actually increased. Navigating the complexities of short sales, foreclosures, and evaluating individual homes and neighborhoods calls for the expertise of a trained real estate professional, not a facilitator whose only purpose is to fill in the blanks of a contract to satisfy the bargain hunter&#039;s goal of paying the least amount possible for a commodity.

The internet has enabled us to gather information and often make purchases at prices not available at the local retailer. Attempting to apply similar principles to real estate was an interesting theory. Now that markets have cooled and significant challenges are the norm, to buy or sell prudently, &quot;order takers&quot;, as provided by limited service/discount brokers, are simply not equipped to provide the level of expertise consumers deserve.

Expertise often carries a higher price tag. The current real estate climate emphasizes the benefits and necessity of that expertise being applied to the majority of transactions. The public has a choice, as always, and many will experiment with the concept of saving money. Who wouldn&#039;t consider it (if it works)? 

Redfin is experiencing the reality that those who have experimented have now found that there is real value to working with an experienced agent that truly represents their interests. Redfin&#039;s only chance for survival is to attempt to insert themselves in that income stream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, </p>
<p>Of course you have no choice but to defend your position, in spite of the failure to generate income according to your original business plan. </p>
<p>As we enter the new reality of buying and selling real estate, the value of a traditional agent has actually increased. Navigating the complexities of short sales, foreclosures, and evaluating individual homes and neighborhoods calls for the expertise of a trained real estate professional, not a facilitator whose only purpose is to fill in the blanks of a contract to satisfy the bargain hunter&#8217;s goal of paying the least amount possible for a commodity.</p>
<p>The internet has enabled us to gather information and often make purchases at prices not available at the local retailer. Attempting to apply similar principles to real estate was an interesting theory. Now that markets have cooled and significant challenges are the norm, to buy or sell prudently, &#8220;order takers&#8221;, as provided by limited service/discount brokers, are simply not equipped to provide the level of expertise consumers deserve.</p>
<p>Expertise often carries a higher price tag. The current real estate climate emphasizes the benefits and necessity of that expertise being applied to the majority of transactions. The public has a choice, as always, and many will experiment with the concept of saving money. Who wouldn&#8217;t consider it (if it works)? </p>
<p>Redfin is experiencing the reality that those who have experimented have now found that there is real value to working with an experienced agent that truly represents their interests. Redfin&#8217;s only chance for survival is to attempt to insert themselves in that income stream.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Kelman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2623644</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Kelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for writing this post. But how are we being forced to reconsider our business model? 

We still offer direct service in the areas we always have, with the same commission refund of 50%.

We were founded with the idea that an online real estate broker could be more efficient, but not that you could avoid a broker. The company has been, from day one,a real estate broker.

In areas where we have never offered service, we are now connecting people with partner agents instead of our own agents, but only after consumers can see the reviews of partner agents, and with the commission refund that you say we are abandoning.

Of course you want to be skeptical of any new business initiative from a company following a layoff, but it is just hard to see expansion as a repudiation of our business model. 

Regards, Glenn

Glenn Kelman
Redfin CEO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this post. But how are we being forced to reconsider our business model? </p>
<p>We still offer direct service in the areas we always have, with the same commission refund of 50%.</p>
<p>We were founded with the idea that an online real estate broker could be more efficient, but not that you could avoid a broker. The company has been, from day one,a real estate broker.</p>
<p>In areas where we have never offered service, we are now connecting people with partner agents instead of our own agents, but only after consumers can see the reviews of partner agents, and with the commission refund that you say we are abandoning.</p>
<p>Of course you want to be skeptical of any new business initiative from a company following a layoff, but it is just hard to see expansion as a repudiation of our business model. </p>
<p>Regards, Glenn</p>
<p>Glenn Kelman<br />
Redfin CEO</p>
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		<title>By: Irene Dorang</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2623368</link>
		<dc:creator>Irene Dorang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things that I almost never hear talked about is the most important role of the buyer&#039;s agent, which is that of a counselor who helps people NOT buy the wrong house - that&#039;s far more important than just showing houses, and it involves committing to passing up sale after sale, if necessary, in order to get the client into the best home.  People rarely need help figuring ou which houses they like, but often they need a lot of help figuring out which houses they shouldn&#039;t like due to issues that will affect livability and especially resale value.  When agents really lower their fees I don&#039;t see how it pans out time and effort-wise - that may be hard for people to understand who just see a big number, but there&#039;s so much effort involved in doing it right that I can&#039;t see people who are making 30% or 50% less putting in what it takes to get the same result.  Not to mention that what you stand to lose by evaluating home value incorrectly or writing a contract condition poorly easily far outweighs the rebate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that I almost never hear talked about is the most important role of the buyer&#8217;s agent, which is that of a counselor who helps people NOT buy the wrong house &#8211; that&#8217;s far more important than just showing houses, and it involves committing to passing up sale after sale, if necessary, in order to get the client into the best home.  People rarely need help figuring ou which houses they like, but often they need a lot of help figuring out which houses they shouldn&#8217;t like due to issues that will affect livability and especially resale value.  When agents really lower their fees I don&#8217;t see how it pans out time and effort-wise &#8211; that may be hard for people to understand who just see a big number, but there&#8217;s so much effort involved in doing it right that I can&#8217;t see people who are making 30% or 50% less putting in what it takes to get the same result.  Not to mention that what you stand to lose by evaluating home value incorrectly or writing a contract condition poorly easily far outweighs the rebate.</p>
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		<title>By: ethernet</title>
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		<dc:creator>ethernet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting concept. The traditional realtor model definitely needs a shake-up....the % that they&#039;ve earned historically is a joke for most home sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting concept. The traditional realtor model definitely needs a shake-up&#8230;.the % that they&#8217;ve earned historically is a joke for most home sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Legally Blonde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legally Blonde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should take a year and try to make a living as a realtor.  See what your &quot;so called&quot; huge fees in fact really are.  For a $350k house, the realtor makes in the vicinity of $1500.  And if you think &quot;driving around&quot; is what they do, try valuation, negotiation, evaluation of the homes that fit the buyers&#039; needs, wants, and guess what - pocketbook!  And how many jobs are there where you provide a service, sometimes for more than a year, and don&#039;t get paid one cent until after a deal closes?  And during that time, the realtor is spending their money, not their company&#039;s, to market, educate, perform analysis, comps, mortgage markets, valuation, research,...etc. etc. etc.  Sure, there are some crappy realtors, just as there are crappy people in every profession.  But the top realtors are there because they devote 24/7 to their clients, for they are not customers until their is a financial transaction.  And by the way - you get what you pay for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should take a year and try to make a living as a realtor.  See what your &#8220;so called&#8221; huge fees in fact really are.  For a $350k house, the realtor makes in the vicinity of $1500.  And if you think &#8220;driving around&#8221; is what they do, try valuation, negotiation, evaluation of the homes that fit the buyers&#8217; needs, wants, and guess what &#8211; pocketbook!  And how many jobs are there where you provide a service, sometimes for more than a year, and don&#8217;t get paid one cent until after a deal closes?  And during that time, the realtor is spending their money, not their company&#8217;s, to market, educate, perform analysis, comps, mortgage markets, valuation, research,&#8230;etc. etc. etc.  Sure, there are some crappy realtors, just as there are crappy people in every profession.  But the top realtors are there because they devote 24/7 to their clients, for they are not customers until their is a financial transaction.  And by the way &#8211; you get what you pay for.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2622782</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just Curious.  Why would Real Estate Agents, that according to Kelman are &quot;slimeball free&quot;, be willing to give up 30 percent of their commission to partner with a company that is not making it without the help of Agents from traditional brokerages?

Could the answer be found in the following definition of co-dependency. 

&quot;A set of maladaptive, compulsive behaviors learned to survive in an emotionally painful and stressful environment&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just Curious.  Why would Real Estate Agents, that according to Kelman are &#8220;slimeball free&#8221;, be willing to give up 30 percent of their commission to partner with a company that is not making it without the help of Agents from traditional brokerages?</p>
<p>Could the answer be found in the following definition of co-dependency. </p>
<p>&#8220;A set of maladaptive, compulsive behaviors learned to survive in an emotionally painful and stressful environment&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave G</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2622760</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea..I didnt miss that. If you raised tens of millions of dollars and then switched business models - what would you put in your press release?

Markets are cyclical. If you do not have a model that can make it through the tough times - you will go out of business in the tough times.

Glenn Kelman is an exceptionally bright guy - he saw the writing on the wall and made a move before it was too late...and unfortunately for them, proved their original model was not a winner.

I used to be a salesman, its a tough racket *sip, sip*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea..I didnt miss that. If you raised tens of millions of dollars and then switched business models &#8211; what would you put in your press release?</p>
<p>Markets are cyclical. If you do not have a model that can make it through the tough times &#8211; you will go out of business in the tough times.</p>
<p>Glenn Kelman is an exceptionally bright guy &#8211; he saw the writing on the wall and made a move before it was too late&#8230;and unfortunately for them, proved their original model was not a winner.</p>
<p>I used to be a salesman, its a tough racket *sip, sip*</p>
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		<title>By: mathew</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2622609</link>
		<dc:creator>mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>super-best comment by far in so many ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>super-best comment by far in so many ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2622567</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redfin is a user friendly website that uses rebates and new agents to fund it&#039;s business model. It has no soul. Let&#039;s just take every industry and dummy it down to the lowest income possible. The Internet is king and we don&#039;t need people to do any meanful work. When everyone is making slave wages, the Masters of the Interent will be happy....for they know how to market, care for others and help meet the needs of a client. They learned it on UTube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redfin is a user friendly website that uses rebates and new agents to fund it&#8217;s business model. It has no soul. Let&#8217;s just take every industry and dummy it down to the lowest income possible. The Internet is king and we don&#8217;t need people to do any meanful work. When everyone is making slave wages, the Masters of the Interent will be happy&#8230;.for they know how to market, care for others and help meet the needs of a client. They learned it on UTube.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully next step is supporting short sales, which in this economic climate are probably 50% of the sales anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully next step is supporting short sales, which in this economic climate are probably 50% of the sales anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/11/redfin-forced-to-partner-with-former-foes-amidst-real-estate-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-2622408</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant that @Daveg ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant that @Daveg <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff, I think you&#039;re missing something.  
&quot;With the real estate market contracting and credit tightening, Redfin has been forced to reconsider its business model. &quot;
The article, and none of the data I could find shows that their concept wasn&#039;t/couldn&#039;t make money in an average or above market. Tough times/tough measures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff, I think you&#8217;re missing something.<br />
&#8220;With the real estate market contracting and credit tightening, Redfin has been forced to reconsider its business model. &#8221;<br />
The article, and none of the data I could find shows that their concept wasn&#8217;t/couldn&#8217;t make money in an average or above market. Tough times/tough measures.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same technology that has made this model possible is also allowing low-cost(fee) competitors into the listing side of the market, bringing down commission %.  With market forces lowering sales volume, prices, and total commissions, will there really be enough revenue per transaction left to support this model.  They won&#039;t make it up with referral fee&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same technology that has made this model possible is also allowing low-cost(fee) competitors into the listing side of the market, bringing down commission %.  With market forces lowering sales volume, prices, and total commissions, will there really be enough revenue per transaction left to support this model.  They won&#8217;t make it up with referral fee&#8217;s.</p>
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