MySpace is in the spotlight today because it revealed that 90,000 registered sex offenders have been kicked off its site in the past two years. But where did all of those sex offenders go? Some evidence suggests that a portion of them are now on Facebook.
John Cardillo is a former New York City police officer and the CEO of Sentinel, a security technology firm based in Miami which helps MySpace, Bebo, MyYearbook, WePlay, and other social networks identify sex offenders. He goes so far as to call Facebook a “safe haven” for sex offenders. Needless to say, Facebook is not a client, and MySpace is his biggest one. But he shared some data with me that is hard to overlook.
Sentinel’s technology is the foundation for Sentinel SAFE, the software MySpace uses to identify sex offenders on its site. Sentinel SAFE is a database of more than 700,000 registered sex offenders in the U.S., complete with names, photos, dates of birth, email and IM addresses (when available), and more than a hundred other data points. Cardillo took the 90,000 sex offenders who were removed from MySpace and started looking for them on Facebook. He says:
We found over 8,000 offenders on their site without much effort. My professional opinion is that the real number is 15 to 20 times that.
The actual number of matches he found was 8,487. Rather than take his word for it, I have in my possession Cardillo’s spreadsheet with all the names. (Update: Only 4,679 of them, however, are matched to a Facebook user ID). I also have about 100 mugshots of sex offenders along with their corresponding Facebook profile names and pictures. (I’ve reproduced four of the mugshots above). A spot check of the mugshots, which are publicly available, matched names and photos in the National Sex Offender Registry. Once I had the names, it was pretty easy to find them on Facebook as well.
It is theoretically possible that people other than the sex offenders themselves created these Facebook accounts. Although they would have had to go to great lengths to do so (creating false profiles, culling all known information about these offenders, finding credible snapshots of the same people for their profile photos, setting up false e-mail accounts, and repeating the process thousands of times). And it is not clear why anyone would want to create a fake sex offender profile on Facebook. But even if this doesn’t prove that the actual sex offenders themselves created these profiles, it may not really matter.
In a deal with 49 state attorneys general last May, Facebook agreed to identify and remove “profiles of all registered sex offenders.” Presumably this policy covers all profiles on Facebook, regardless of who created them.
How much would it cost Facebook to license the Sentinel screening technology? I asked Cardillo, and he said “fractions of a penny per user.” With 150 million users, he said that would come to under $1 million.
It could be even cheaper for Facebook to develop its own software to check official state sex offender registries, something it has proposed doing in the past. Maybe this home-grown system is already in place. But judging from the matches that Cardillo found, Facebook’s sex offender detection system needs some work. Several groups are already popping up on Facebook itself with names like Get Child Molestors Off Facebook (11,761 members).
I’ve contacted Facebook, and have been told they will respond shortly. I will update this post as soon as I get it.
Update: Of the 8,000 matches, Facebook spokesman Barry Schmidt responds:
Obviously, we are going to investigate. We hope to define them and remove them as soon as possible.
He also cautions that these should be viewed as potential matches:
Facebook does not allow the same investigations by an outsider as by insiders. Saying there is a positive match of 8,000 sex offenders is difficult to for an outsider to do. You would need would need more than a name and a photo the size of your thumb. The correct way would be to characterize them as potential matches.
And he says this of Sentinal:
For a company that has a mission to keep kids safe, we find it irresponsible that they wouldn’t share this with us. Or, if not with us, how about with law enforcement? This could have been an announcement that Sentinel and Facebook removed 8,000 potential sex offenders. We still don’t have the information on who they are. If you are willing to share that with us, we will investigate immediately.
(I am forwarding the spreadsheet with the list of matched names to Facebook).
Update 2: Here is an official statement from Chris Kelly, Facebook’s chief privacy officer (who may be considering a run for California Attorney General), which explains how Facebook currently screens for sex offenders and works with attorneys general to remove them:
Protecting our users, especially the many children who use our site has always been a top priority for Facebook. We have devoted significant resources to developing innovative and complex systems to proactively monitor the site and its users, including those not on a sex offender registry, for suspicious activity (such as contacting minors or users of predominantly one gender).
We also have established a large team of professional investigators to evaluate any reports of potential abuse, including those surfaced by our systems or from our users. We have been working proactively with states’ attorneys general to run their lists of registered sex offenders against our user base. Our team uses various internal tools to automatically find matches. Any potential matches are evaluated more fully by our internal team of investigation professionals.
If we find that someone on a sex offender registry is a likely match to a user on Facebook, we notify law enforcement and disable the account. In some cases, law enforcement has asked us to leave the accounts active so that they may investigate the user further.
We have worked proactively to establish a publicly available national database available to everyone of registered sex offenders that enables real-time checks and includes important unique information like email addresses and IM handles. The passage of the KIDS Act, a measure we actively supported, was a major step forward and we’ve already contacted the new administration to offer our help in designing the real-time access features that it supports.
We are glad to be able to report that the success of these techniques means that we have not yet had to handle a case of a registered sex offender meeting a minor through Facebook. We are working hard to make sure it never happens and we are investigating Sentinel’s claim.
Kelly raises a valid point: Why isn’t there already a publicly available national database of registered sex offenders that can be used for such screening purposes?
Update 3: At the tail end of a press release from the office of Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal about the 90,000 sex offenders MySpace found on its site, the following sentence was appended:
Recent reports also indicate substantial numbers of convicted offenders with profiles on Facebook. Blumenthal said that his office is awaiting a response to his recent subpoena to Facebook.
The press release came out after this post was online.
Update 4: Shortly after I sent Facebook the list of matches, Facebook disabled all of the accounts with associated user IDs as a precautionary measure (which was about half the list).
Awesome Photos.
Here’s a fun game! Look at the picture – then try to guess the sex offense.
pardoning over pursuing is the virtue which americans lack. 10-20 years of jail+probation is simply is directed towards wrong. TC thinks it doing good job by cleaning net of “tainted people”, sad
Playing the devil’s advocate:
Why does Facebook need to remove these people if it is not in violation of their parole or another law to create an account on Facebook? Shouldn’t it be our legal system that metes out punishment to sex offenders, not some sys. admin. or marketing director at Facebook?
Should facebook ban all thieves, jay-walkers, and drunk drivers too? What about people convicted of internet scams in the past? With 100M+ people on Facebook, it’s so ubiquitous of a service that it’s almost like banning sex offenders from using a computer. Should we do that too?
Would someone with a legal background want to provide some insight here?
Ok Ill play, The guy in the top right hand corner was arrested for public ass sniffing. Look at that schnozz.
Not all sex offenders are pedophiles. Society automatically assumes they are. Granted some are, but others were 18 year old kids with a 16 year old. I mean who really thinks that is wrong at that age? Or some crimes are gang related and everyone in those cases are charged whether you did it or not. In some cases you’re charged just for being there even if you had no idea. So I know from people around me the circumstances are not always that sex offenders are all sick minded people.
Just when you think, facebook is safe you learn this.
just, when you–think–Facebook is, safe; you learn this.
exactly
looks like fazebk was more concerned about user head count no matter what the users background was. Centenal Security claims a potential 100,000 offenders are lying in wait @ fazebk. do all fb users now have a reason to be scared?
JudgeLocator.com – suit yourself
Facebook has over 100 million registered users. It doesn’t seem logical to assume that they are willing to throw their policies out the window to bring in that final 1/10 of 1%. And that’s conceding the worst-case scenario you presented here; the list from the article is more like 0.008%
why would one think it was safe to post photos and information of every detail of your life online?
you put your information there, dont bitch about it. goddamn retard
My facebook profile is private and I have never seen any information compromised, I have never been contacted by anyone I don’t know.
My myspace profile is private, my pictures are private but were given public urls and I found links to them on another site…I also get friend requests and messages from porn pushers and dating sites. It is certainly not the “safe” image they are trying to portray here.
I have both of my Facebook and MySpace profiles secured as much as possible, but in the 4 years with my MySpace profile, I have less spam than the less than one year with Facebook. It is different with everyone. You cannot generalize it.
So the article should be about resolving the issue instead of unfairly trying to make people think myspace cares about security and facebook does not. I am more offended that teens on myspace are being exposed to so many inappropriate ads (adult friend finder, dating sites and diet fads), but someone has to pay the bills I suppose.
Try a search for yourself by different names on pipl.com, wink.com, yoname.com. Pretty interesting how easy it is to find information about yourself.
Even if you have everything totally locked down, your friends could have photos of you or information about you posted. And you have no control over their privacy settings. I’m not complaining. I’m just saying it’s not very wise to post every detail of your life online and pretend it’s safe.
@Matt Ruiz – No site is safe, even if ‘a’ site claims to be safe, it isn’t.
There are always ‘predators’ around. This report merely talks about those that have been caught and/or are known to the authorities.
When you consider those that are yet to be caught, those that exist in countries that don’t even have registers, it leaves an awful lot of unknowns out there.
What it does do is simply reinforces the need for promoting good personal security awareness by parents on just what their children do.
The recent case in the UK of the 15year old schoolgirl who met some guy over the internet and eloped to France with him is a prime example. (There shouldn’t be any 15 year olds on Facebook, but we know there are, and probably much younger kids too).
But Facebook safe? Never. (And that isn’t a criticism of Facebook either).
If it has an internet connection, it isn’t safe. That is the only safe assumption you should ever make.
I have had my Facebook account for about 3 years now, I have never had a real problem with security on it.
I can limit who sees my profile and my pictures, more then I can do with any other site. I have had a few people add me who I didnt know but I just ignored the friend request and sent a message saying not to contact me. I have only had a few people try to add or message me again and it took about 15 seconds to block the person.
If there is any concerns with privacy it is easy enough to contact a Mod and get help or tips from them.
If parents are worried about there childs safety on Facebook, monitor the use if it. Check there friends list and post comment on there pages that will let preditors know that the childs parent can see the account.
I do agree 100% that if a sex offender has used the internet for means of offending he should not even be alowed acces to a computer again let alone a 13 an up social network. But not all offenders have done anything worse then streak, I would like to believe that Facebook is looking through the list and making sure that people who diserve to be kicked off are and that not everyone who made a minor mistake are being haunted by it.
but at least kids who have fb accts aren’t search-able under a certain age, right? Correct me if I’m wrong. It’s still sick, tho.
i know someone who got sexualy offended it is so sad
Facebook is still safe. Dont let your kids have profiles of adults on their thing. And last time i checked all minors had private profiles and no one who was not a friend could see them.
How many sex offenders were 18 or 19 yr old boys who dated some one who was 17 and got into some heavy petting or had sex? I dont really think its right but i am not worried about that person as a sex offender hurting anyone i know.
There was a case recently about a 15 yr old whow as put on a sex offender registery who did nothing more then send picts of herself to classmates naked.
Even the people that are sex offenders i doubt most of you know this but less then 10% reoffend. And most that do its almost always someone they know.
The problem with most people is they want someone else to do the work and protect their kids rather then taking a few steps to do it themselves. Just like megan the girl that started megans law, Her mom was letting her play at a neighbors house full of older men who all had a previous conviction for sex offenses.
Only her mom claimed she did not know there was anything wrong with the guys but yet all the neighbors said they knew the guys were previous convicts and there was no reason to let that girl play there. AS a father myself i would never let my daughter play at some house full of single guys. Why would she need to ?
There is no law that says sex offenders cant be on facebook or myspace and if someone really wanted to hurt someone they sure are not going to use their real info they will pretend to be someone else.
Teach your kids right and protect them and you will be fine
While I agree with the belief that sex offenders shouldn’t really be on networks that include young high school students, I do want to note that facebook’s closed network system reduces their predatory effect in comparison to the more open connections on MySpace, Bebo, etc…
Considering that facebook is burning through all its cash already and might be looking to raise more funds, they might not be able to rationalize this service in light of the economy.
Seriously? When did it get to be ok to decide that its too expensive to keep pedophiles and rapists away from kids?
And how if facebook a closed network anymore? Its been a long time since it was just the college student. Any schmuck can sign up now.
There are many types of networks within Facebook.
Any schmuck who signs up now just joins a regional network.
Other networks, such as college ones, are open only to those with a valid university e-mail address.
High school networks are only open to those who are of a certain age, I believe. I joined in college, and was never allowed to join my high school network.
Also, if you are under a certain age, 16, I think, your profile is only viewable by friends.
Even as an adult, I find it rather foolish to have a public profile AT ALL.
Who can stop sex offenders from making up a new name and opening a profile on either site that way? The dangerous ones are the ones who haven’t been caught and / or are using fake profiles to commit more crimes. Even blocking IP addresses is useless because they can just go to their nearest internet cafe or library and use theirs. Although most public libraries have now banned these sites… but not all. There is really nothing Facebook or MySpace can do about it and pedophiles know it.
Mr. Jerry,
Who said that sex offenders are “pedophiles and rapists”? A sex offender can be a 16-year-old who had consensual oral sex with a 14-year-old. There are registered sex offenders whose crime was allowing their teenage children to have sex with other teenage children. Yet there they are, on the registry and now unable to live near a school or visit a museum. Urinating in public may be antisocial behavior, but it’s hardly worth a witch hunt — but that too will get you on the registry.
Most registered sex offenders are unlikely to reoffend, and keeping these people out of society only makes it more difficult for them to live a normal and productive life.
Cheers,
–Ian
bdubs facebook is free. Hello.
It should be illegal for sex offenders to be on social web sites and instead of just kicking them off maybe they could get arrested and / or post all their information.
Not only that, but we should be allowed to invent new restrictions whenever we feel like it, right? If only entrepreneurs were held to similar standards after they fail at business.
Something to keep in mind: sex offenders aren’t always really ’sex offenders’ – you know, people who sexually assault other adults or minors… that’s what these laws were created for, to protect people from being assaulted by others.
But some are misusing / abusing this law. Have you seen this SF Gate article?
All the ones whose backgrounds I checked for this story had been convicted of some pretty serious crimes.
Hi Erick, that’s great to hear, glad you actually looked into that.
Just wanted to point out the other side since it’s so easy for people to get on a bandwagon for an issue that ’seems’ simple on the surface but gets murky when you dig a bit.
It seems that these ’sex offender’ laws can and have been perverted at times, like many other laws have in the past. Most people don’t even realize this type of thing is possible.
I think we can all agree that the purpose – the spirit – of these sex offender laws was and IS to protect children – and adults – from those who would attack them sexually. Period. Not to to be used as a loophole to enforce some guy’s personal pseudo-moral “standards”.
Convicting children for doing stupid stuff like sharing naked pics of themselves online or having sex somewhere – as sex offenders – completely disrespects the abused children that these laws were meant to protect.
It’s that old ‘make a lot of noise and publicity to get the law passed’ then use it however later on.
I think we need a simple but firm change in our legal system to prevent this type of abuse: hard code a narrow purpose / scope for how a law can be used at the time it’s passed.
That way this loophole of passing a law amongst a lot of turmoil / fear / uncertainty and then abusing it later (and we can all think of various examples of this in the present – and find endless examples in history) will be null and void.
Have an awesome day!
Dan
I agree,,95 % of Sex offenders on it on because of non violent crimes.. just viewing nudies with minors,,,dating a minor,,,sex with a minor,,peeing in public, mooning someone, touching someones tits..just basic Childs play could now be considered Sex offender behavior! and those who were convicted of rape may not have been involved in violent rape,, ud be surprised what the law calls rape nowadays!! u just may all find out u are all rapists and dont know it!
Hey, wasn’t that one of my former network administrators?
Oh, nevermind. They don’t call it “Sit on My Facebook” for nothing…
Yeah- as bdubs said it isn’t as big of a deal on Facebook because you can control to a much finer degree who has access to your profile on Facebook than you can on MySpace. Of course if a pedophile is a member of a geographic network, or is able to scam your way into a high school network, that goes out the window.
True, but I have found a lot of people, once in the network, do not use these security settings.
Oh tell me about it. I’ll browse through friends-of-friends profiles sometimes, and I’m STUNNED that I”m able to see phone numbers, addresses, etc.
Then occasionally, glitches happen where pictures of people I am not friends with will show up in my news feed because a mutual friend commented on it. These non-friends have private profiles!
Di-STURB-ing.
oooooo-WA-A-A-A
I think it’s pretty obvious that sex offenders are going to get on free social networks. The online world is just like the real world, you do the best you can to keep things safe and hope for the best.
This looks like a case of Sentinel blackmailing Facebook into hiring them to clean up the mess. If I were facebook I would issue a statement stating that I would never hire them due to the unprofessionalism of their approach.
Myspace definitely needs a company like Sentinel because they have always taken very poor security measures. Facebook, on the other hand, has always been fairly secure.
I do love the pics tho, very stereotypical molester/rapist.
Read the article dude. It would only be blackmail if they didn’t have 8k sex offenders on there. It looks facebook could really use the help. I think I’m going to go and make sure my facebook profile is on lockdown. Creepy creepy creepy.
It is the policy of the United States government to offer all refugees asylum.
I am not a lawyer, but did a lot of research on this for high school and college debate cases.
It is NOT the policy of the United States government to offer all refugees asylum. Asylum is a legal classification that can be extended on an explicitly specified set of grounds. In most cases, things like religious persecution, political affiliation, and racial oppression will cause asylum to be granted. But there are large disparities in the law. I’m not making a political statement about it, but there is an incontrovertible factual distinction between the way Haitian and Cuban asylum seekers are treated by the US government.
This is disgusting. Does Facebook even care about this stuff?
Apparently they care when it makes them look bad. I think it’s ridiculous that they’re upset at Sentinal for not telling them how dangerous their own network is – shouldn’t Facebook staff be the first ones to know?
They want specific claims with specific information so they can respond specifically.
If I got on TC tomorrow and published a list of photos and said, this is just 4 of the 4,000 registered sex offenders I found among registered TC users, I would imagine their first response would be “let me see your information” instead of having a snap reaction to vague and generalized information.
why should sex offenders not be allowed on Facebook? or MySpace for that matter?
this assumes that all sex offenders are pedophiles and/or predatory. this is not even close to true. there are many, many different ways a person can be convicted of a sex crime – and only very few specific ways in which it would matter whether they were on Facebook or MySpace. — additionally, in this technological age, having a Facebook account may be almost a prerequisite for people to find employment, stay in touch with friends, etc. there is no reason to arbitrarily kick sex offenders off of these sites. we of course need to protect our children, but this can be done by reviewing suspicious activity or filtering for specific crimes. not with a blanket policy that infringes on people’s rights.
my two cents.
Careful. Many people will accuse you of thinking that sex offenders should never be prosecuted (or that you must be a sex offender yourself) for saying things like that.
Even sex offenders themselves werent sex offenders when they commited their first crime!! statistics show that 90 % of all new sex crimes are committed by NON sex offenders! and The Stranger danger thing is a peice of crap too,, a child is in more danger with he or shes own dad or uncle than he or she is with a stranger. Also,, u have this Offender Registry, and what does that say?? Beware of THESE people!! BUT,,Trust every other stranger??? HMMMmmm,,, U got to be careful,, Just becuase theres no sign that says theres a bear in the woods doesnt mean theres no bear in the woods. and just because there is a sign doesnt mean ur going to have a face to face encounter with one!! Use ur own head, and stop relying on labels to protect u,,,first off,, Dylan and Eric at Columbine,,HAD NO RECORD,, The Shooter at West V Tech, Had NO RECORD,,,Charles manson and his Clan, HAD NO RECORD,, HITLER, HAD NO RECORD!!
Use ur own brains, and stop relying on the government to make every protective step for u!
Hey I just sent a Free Candy Request to your 12 yr old daughter via Facebook.
I’m curious if you knew.
I agree.
A penny – Perverted justice.com is trying their best. You could offer to sign up and help them.
well I think this article raises a really interesting issue here.
would you prevent sex offenders from taking the tube, just because they might meet children while traveling?
Do we keep murderers off the site? How about men who beat women? No. Look, sex offenders cover a huge range of offenses, as others have pointed out. They’ve done their time, presumably, if they’re out and about in the general population. It’s unfair to punish them for the rest of their lives. If they’re actually a danger to society, why are they out of prison? If they’ve been let go, let’s leave them alone.
because prisons are overcrowded. When your kid is targeted online by billybob wanting to 69, we’ll see how your feelings change.
Gross, hopefully somone will force facebook to delete these people right away, this is digusting. I can’t believe no one has called them out on this stuff before.
Great, another witch hunt… That is all we need. How about you tax and wife cheaters. Should they ban you from all social networks?
As someone else noted, it’s easy to panic and play “for the children” — but these days a huge swath of the population is registered as sex offenders, and it’s getting worse. Get caught urinating in public, and you’re a sex offender (it’s gross, sure, but a sex offense?). Heck, teenagers who get caught sending each other nude pics are sex offenders for life.
I’m all for keeping the predators and rapists and whatnot from sites that facilitate finding new victims. But the vast majority of “sex offenders” are just confused, drunk, or young people who didn’t hurt anyone.
I wonder what percentage of sex offenders aren’t using their full real names, their state registered e-mail address and their mugshot as a profile picture.
Good point.
Caught streaking as a high school prank? Congrats! You get to register as a sexual predator!
Die Amis
Erst mal die Fotos online stellen.
So wie die ausschauen müssen diese “Verbrecher” ja schuldig sein. Wo sind die Adressen?
Und sich dann wundern, wenn man angespuckt wird..
Does anyone know how to get in touch with a rep with sentinel? I need to get some information from them for a project I’m working on. If any of you guys could provide an email address, or office number that would be awesome. The site doesn’t have any contact information.
Thanks
Chadwick
You have to be kidding me. MySpace is now safer than Facebook because they delete registered sex offenders…okay how stupid do you think we are. This article is nothing more than another pathetic attempt for damage control and more smoke and mirrors from all the real security issues MySpace won’t address or fix…and let parents know about.
MySpace forgot to mention that ALL pictures in private albums and private profiles have public URL’s…and that their servers will upload millions and millions of pics but after users “delete” from their album the pics are still hosted forever and ever with the public urls?? If MySpace cannot really truly protect privacy and cannot delete pictures then OMG please stop leading us to believe otherwise.
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*Sheldon:* Was this sarcasm?
so once a sex offender, always a sex offender… I personally think the sex offender paranoia is a bit over hyped. It’s such an easy mob lynching type of thing, everyone can assemble behind.
Looking at the facts I find that things in many cases are a bit different. Have you ever looked a bit deeper into this registry. Please do and here is what you find out.
First most of the guys served their time and did their thing so according to society they have paid for their crime.. however once you are a sex offender you’re done with life. Lets face it. You can’t live at most places (x miles from a school, childcare etc), no facebook, no myspace, so basically no way to communicating with others)
Also many of those offenders, their crimes were a long time ago… 40 years and more.
Also if you take a closer look at what the sentences are I have found that most have rather smaller transgressions.
While everyone thinks of baby raping serial murderers when hearing sex offenders, the reality is in most cases as simple as an 19 year old having had a relationship with a 17 year old (consentual) and daddy found out.
My point is, in public discussion what is missing an element of balance. The entire sex offender and protecting our children theme is more a witch hunt.
Don’t get me wrong there are those that are evil and can’t control themselves, those shouldn’t even end up on the street.
However the majority of sex offenders are not what public think they are. Would be interesting to have a discussion or some research on that. The problem is it’s not as sexy.. as taking the other side…
The main problem is the term sex offender…. Anyway the US has a taste for lynch trials and mobs and extremes.. (capital punishment etc).
There is a reason why most other countries don’t do this witchhunt.. and it works better for integrating those people. The more you isolate them the more a problem they are…
So what is Techcrunche’s cut from Sentinel for trying to blackmail facebook?
This is a witch hunt and I think T$ should be above that. Just read some of the earlier comments… of what gets you labeled as a sex offender.
Besides posting 4 people’s profile on Million User blog is wrong. What did they do.. they all served their time?
This is exactly the type of reporting that gets you guys in trouble.. that’s not fair. Then you go and whine and complain when stuff gets back to you guys…
Anyway just my 2 cents… hope you never get caught urinating in public.. maybe after a bar stint… when you drunk a little bit too much….
“Cardillo took the 90,000 sex offenders who were removed from MySpace and started looking for them on Facebook. He says:
We found over 8,000 offenders on their site without much effort. My professional opinion is that the real number is 15 to 20 times that.”
So he’s guessing out of nowhere that there are 160k sex offenders on FaceBook, even though he only found 90k on MySpace. This whole article is clearly just a lame attack on FaceBook to try and get them to use Sentinel.
Am I the only one who is disturbed that someone can be turned into an “unperson” merely by applying the sex-offender label?
One public-urination conviction in the wrong state, and you will never — for the rest of your life — be able to get a decent job, rent a decent place to live, or be able to have a MySpace account (under your real name).
Of course, it’s not a problem as long as it’s only happening to others. We’re creating terminally angry pariahs with nothing to lose and releasing them into the community; what could go wrong?
Well of course no respectful person can agree with this opinion, because they would get in danger of being called sexual offender themselves. And thus vicious circle of pseudo-morality starts…
It has already been stated that the list provided to TC was investigated and the crimes were pretty serious in nature.
I’m all for being realistic about minor offenses, but if anyone ever hurt my son in any way, he’d better pray that “becoming an unperson” is the worst that happens to him.
Is that the best job Chris Kelly and team can do? And who wants him for attorney general?
I’ve got to say that I’m a little surprised by how many of you are cool with sex offenders. Sure they did time. That’s kind of the basis of how the American judicial system works when you commit crimes. Sex offenders get special additional measures because of how horrible their crimes are. That should be something we all can agree is a good thing.
Are some of the crimes lumped in to the sex offender pool not necessarily appropriate? Yeah, I’ll give you that. But I’d guess that not all of these 8487 of these people urinated in public. If a few public pee’ers not getting their facebook can keep the really bad guys away from kids so be it.
“If a few public pee’ers not getting their facebook can keep the really bad guys away from kids so be it.”
So what you’re saying is that a perfectly innocent person should be banned from something because someone else MIGHT get through?
Do we ban people from getting on the airplane because they MIGHT have a bomb? No, we screen them as best as possible and hope to catch the bad guys.
Repeat sex offenders and child molestors should be kept away from temptation, but generalizations such as the one above do nothing but erode the basic freedoms U.S. citizens enjoy.
I’m not a fan of the idea that “sex offenders” should be the outcasts of our society. I don’t see why their rights should be constantly infringed like this, especially considering they should’ve already “paid” for their crimes with prison time or whatnot… why should they then be harassed for the rest of their lives?
It’s a rather disturbing issue, and I think all of these sites need to be working on a solution across many geographic and jurisdictional boundaries. It would be interesting if this kind of ‘problem’ became an enabler and driver for better global co-operation / information sharing. Nothing can ever be made 100% safe though, hence the ever present need for education and parental vigilance.
You want better information sharing on sex offenders? What about other crimes? What about political crimes? Drug use? Where does it stop?
When you start merging databases and making conclusions based solely on transactional records (”conviction for statutory rape — sex offender”), you also start making mistakes.
How much do you value your freedom?
Of course he didn’t share the information with FB. Why would he? He wants to make sure they get paid even for that small amount of data.
OK, so i’m no fan of sex offenders being on any social networking site where they have the opportunity to “socialize” with their “prey.” However there are two things here that are often overlooked.
Yes, there’s a need for a national registry. If my driving record can be ported from state to state (and trust me, it followed me to CA from WA), then there’s no reason that a national list can’t be created.
However, here’s the toss-up that I think is flawed with the system. Just because you’re listed as a sex offender, doesn’t mean that you’re a threat, because the system in-place doesn’t place a degree of crime when you have to register. This means that if you had a drunken night in college, and was arrested for streaking, you still have to register as a sex offender if you were found guilty of indecent exposure…especially if you ran by a kid coming home from daycare, being pulled out of a car.
I understand that there’s a need for a national registration system, but there also is a need for people listed to have a severity of risk assessment.
@Chris — “Just because you’re listed as a sex offender, doesn’t mean that you’re a threat” You sound like a sex offender yourself, and if you are, know this: research shows that whatever you did, even if you already “paid your debt to society” the likelihood that you will do it again is very strong, as well as the likelihood of being “cured” is almost nil.
There is no such a thing as a “small offense” here: there is no such a thing as defiling a child “just a little bit.”
Someone wrote that Pee Wee Herman “is not a sex offender” –He was caught “just” masturbating is a movie theater. Masturbating in public is *NOT* an artistic expression, or poetry… It is a sex offense.
Why do you need to preface your comment to the dude with an ad hominem attack?
First of all, let’s see the research that you’re quoting. This is the age of the internet, not a press conference, if you say that research shows it… then link to the research.
Doesn’t research also show that the likelihood of a shoplifter/drug user/traffic violator/drunk driver/whatever of doing whatever it is that they do again is very strong? Should we also label these people as outcasts so everyone can steer clear of them for the rest of their lives?
Perhaps we should just have a “registered offender” program, so anyone that does anything wrong that might do it again can be looked at suspiciously for the rest of their lives.
And of course, since the “registered sex offender” term describes 40 year old child rapists, streakers, and 18 year olds who had consensual sex with 17.9 year olds, definitely this new “registered offender” program should cast a wide swath, and brand everyone who’s ever done anything wrong with the same scarlet letter.
This is some antiquated, Puritanical garbage. The safest thing an aspiring politician can do is to villainize a group of outcasts who enjoy as little lobbyist or public support as possible. Because those politicians are sooooo Tough On Crime and totally Supporting Families With Kids.
Waitwait lemme guess… I disputed your point so I sound like a sex offender myself too?
I am going to support you on your post and join the ranks of sounding like a sex offender.
Tom is a technopanicking mainstreamer who couldn’t wrap his deficient mental capacity around a dichotomy if his life source was being absorbed by a slow-blinking extraterrestrial.
“your comment to the dude with an ad hominem attack” — It is not an “attack,” it is what he actually did — There is no other way to do this, the silly, absurd alternative is refer to a criminal “by proxy.” No such a thing [may you are Pee Wee Herman]
You may or may not be a sex offender –you are if you “had consensual sex with 17.9 year olds”
You are bound to commit crimes, because you are ignoring what we *all* must live and respect the boundaries of the law. The US is a country of laws.
Your anonymous comment reveals who you are: an underage, ignorant person, who may write from outside the US –I know, in many countries it is *OK* to rape children… believing, as you state, that it is “consensual sex.” It is illegal, and if you do it, you are a “sex offender.”
You are acting like an infestation, Tom.
According to your fractured logic one could accurately deduce that common sense in this particularly charged sphere is a distant luxury when, in fact, it should be a significant variable in determining who is truly worthy of a destroyed life over the label of ’sex offender’.
Common sense has never been a core American value. When a 19 year old child engages in consensual sex with a 17.9 year old this may be an act of questionable character (particularly if you are a conservative judgmentalist waging war on premarital sex) NOT an act judged by the state to be a sexual violation worthy of categorical lifelong social rejection.
Your miniature brain is incapable of absorbing data outside of obvious fundamentalist conditioning. Unfortunately, this plague has etched itself into public consciousness for far too long.
Yes, the US is a country of laws. Now, if you think these laws are unquestionable and absolutist then your reality is a Pollyanna-grade utopia.
Oh hey Tom!
1) You forgot to link to that research you were talking about. The one that shows how sex offenders are much more likely to commit the same crime again than are criminals of any other sort. We’re all eagerly anticipating this evidence on which you seem to have based your argument.
2) I have a suggestion: stick to the subject matter rather than pointing fingers and accusing everyone of being underage foreign child rapists who hate The Law because we think your logic and argumentation is poor.
3) I’m not interested in comparing the US to other countries. Relative justice and morality is meaningless. The US is a country of ideas.
4) raping children is bad. just figured I needed to say that again, lest you accuse me of being a child rapist.
5) after they have served their time or repaid their debt to society or whatever you want to call it, they should register as a felon just like any other felon. Why they should be burdened more than other offenders, I don’t understand. For example, in many areas I believe that a convicted child rapist can’t live near a school, but a convicted child murderer can. How does that make sense? And if you think that living 500 feet away from a school is going to keep someone from deviant behavior, I’ve got something called an automobile that you should check out. And another thing called “shoes”.
6) an 18 year old high school kid who has consensual sex with his 17.9 year old girlfriend is a sex offender. For the rest of his life, he will be bound to the same restrictions as a child rapist. This is clearly bullshit.
7) That’s awesome that the US is a country of laws! Note that all countries are countries of laws. All countries have problems enforcing laws, including this one. All countries have dumb laws on the books, including this one. All countries change their laws frequently, including this one. They do that because “improvement” is often good, and often possible. You may disagree, but I believe the ultimate goal of this country is to make the best country possible, not to preserve our current situation in formaldehyde forever because we are already a perfect union.
Tom-(And all other panic-stricken sheep)-seriously, tom-”@Chris — “Just because you’re listed as a sex offender, doesn’t mean that you’re a threat” You sound like a sex offender yourself, and if you are, know this: research shows that whatever you did, even if you already “paid your debt to society” the likelihood that you will do it again is very strong, as well as the likelihood of being “cured” is almost nil.”
I don’t take sides, just share knowledge.
Multiple State’s Sex Offender Recidivism Studies Expose Fraud Upon The American Public By Lawmakers And Mainstream Media
We’ve all heard the catch phrases: “ They cannot be cured”, “They have the highest recidivism rates out of any other type of criminal” and “Its only a matter of time before they re-offend again”
We hear these types of claims, stated as fact again and again by mainstream media and politicians. Indeed, even when lawmakers pass new laws pertaining to sex offenders these phrases are found again and again throughout the minutes of legislative hearings across the country. Numerous studies which have been bought and paid for by the American people tell a much different story however. In fact, these studies clearly demonstrate that the exact opposite is true.
Why are they all lying? The short answer: money, ratings and control. Fear has always been a great motivator throughout history to get people to submit to things they would not ordinarily submit to. The laws that have been created under the guise of protecting the public undoubtedly have a very chilling effect on the constitution and create a springboard for further abuses which will ultimately affect us all.
Instead of using the information contained in the studies-which may very well hold the key to making a significant reduction in the number of sex crimes, they create sound-bites and catch-phrases in an attempt to scare the public for votes, ratings, and corporate profit – all at the expense of our children. If the laws they have created were working (which they are not) Dru Sjodin, Jessica Lunsford, and Carlie Brucia would still be alive today.
Most if not all studies clearly define which sub-categories of offenders pose the most risk, make up the bulk of recidivism and pose the greatest danger to society. Yet, instead of focusing on this specific sub-group of offenders, and tailoring legislation and attention of those most dangerous, they lump everyone convicted of a sex crime together. As a result, the American public is mistakenly led to believe that all are highly dangerous ticking time bombs. IF this were true, given the fact that there are over 600,000 registered sex offenders in this country, we could have a 24 hour news channel devoted to nothing but repeat sex offenders and never cover them all. The reason registered sex offenders who do commit another sex offense make the evening news is because it is RARE!
Lawmakers and the media are not only defrauding the American public, they are also effectively doing society and children a huge disservice – creating an unnecessary and overblown climate of fear and anxiety, while continuing to put America’s children at risk.
Take a look at some of the findings from these studies. Links have been provided so that the studies can be viewed in their entirety. Pay close attention to the number of “new sex crimes” committed by registered sex offenders. This is quite different from technical violations and failure to register. We think most readers will be shocked at what these studies and statistics reveal.
The notion that most sex offences are committed by strangers, that sex offenders have high rates of recidivism, and that treatment does not work is NOT supported by the extensive and growing body of research regarding registered sex offenders. Here is a glimpse of what these studies reveal, which proves that what is happening is the exact opposite of what the American people are repeatedly being told.
ARIZONA REPORTS A 5.5% RECIDIVISM RATE FOR A NEW SEX CRIME. THIS WAS A FIFTEEN YEAR STUDY DONE BETWEEN 1984 AND 1998
http://www.azco.../recidivism.asp
WYOMING REPORTS RECIDIVISM RATES BETWEEN 2% AND 7.5%
THEIR STUDY COVERS A FIVE YEAR PERIOD BETWEEN 2000 AND 2005
http://legisweb...05/05RM078r.pdf
MINNESOTA REPORTS AFTER AN EIGHT YEAR FOLLOW UP A RECIDIVISM RATE OF 10%. THEY ARE CAREFUL TO NOTE WHICH CATEGORY OF OFFENDERS POSE THE HIGHEST RISK, THOSE BEING INDIVIDUALS WHOSE VICTIM WAS A STRANGER.
http://www.doc....-Recidivism.pdf
OHIO REPORTS A RECIDIVISM RATE OF 8% AS A RESULT OF THEIR 10 YEAR STUDY. RAPISTS WITH ADULT VICTIMS WERE THE HIGHEST RISK WHILE THOSE CONVICTED OF INCEST WERE THE LOWEST RISK WITH A 7.4% RECIDIVISM RATE.
http://www.drc...._Recidivism.pdf
To put things in perspective, DUI recidivism hovers around 50%. Given the high number of fatalities each year caused as a result of drunk driving accidents, for example, During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes.
This does not include victims who become permanantly disfigured and/or disbaled as a result of DUI related accidents. Many of them are children.
http://www.cdc....eets/drving.htm
Additionally over 1,400 children die each year at the hands of their own parents due to abuse and neglect.
Sex crimes are a terrible social ill and there are ways to prevent them. The knowledge and information that is needed to make effective laws IS available and we need to demand that our lawmakers acknowledge this information and start using it effectively.
What kind of politician would ignore vital information and hard evidence that could effectively protect our children and perpetuate these lies? Here are a few examples:
“Because of high recidivism rates, Congress can and must do more to ensure that offenders who could strike again are not roaming our streets,” Congresswoman Nita Lowey
“Studies have clearly shown that sexual predators have the highest recidivism rates,” Senator Frank Padavan (R-C, Bellerose)
“With the high-rate of recidivism of sex offenders, the state must have the ability to provide additional rehabilitation to those who pose a threat to our communities,” Senator John J. Flanagan.
“Studies show that sex offenders are four times more likely to be rearrested than other criminals.” Congressman Vito Fossella (R-NY13)
“Sex offenders are not petty criminals. They prey on our children like animals, and they will continue to do so unless we stop them. We need to change the way we track these pedophiles.” Former disgraced Republican Senator Mark Foley, FL – accused of soliciting male minors online and who also spearheaded the Adam Walsh Act.
We know that the recidivism rate of convicted child molesters is extremely high. When many leave the penitentiary, they continue their ways against our greatest resource, children,” Ted Poe Representative Texas
“There are over 500,000 registered sex offenders across the country, and statistics have shown that the recidivism rate for those criminals is high.” Representative James F. Sensenbrenner(R) Wisconsin who spearheaded the Adam Walsh act
“Recidivism rates are alarmingly high” for sexual offenders. Rep. Earl Pomeroy (D) of North Dakota
“Unlike other criminals, sex offenders pose a unique challenge to law enforcement and communities due to high recidivism rates.” Representative Anthony D. Weiner NY
Tom, do you wave to Santa at the Christmas parade every year? You might as well, if you believe all of the myths created to control you…
Facts are stubborn things.
Nice one KKKurt.
-AP, aka hrmmmm aka Obviously a kiddie fiddler
Ok, Tom. We get that someone must have done terrible things to you when you were younger and you obviously still have psychological issues associated with that. Don’t worry. You’re among friends here and nobody wishes ill.
I simply wanted to point out that while there is a simple need for the national registry, there is a greater need for the registry to also include a severity of risk assessment. This would further arm parents, law enforcement, and watchdog groups with the information to understand where the threats are/live. The question is not how much of a sex offender are you, the question is what did you do and what’s the risk you’ll do it again?
Additionally, I wanted to point out that there are too many cracks in the current legal system that prevent us from knowing who’s more likely to be a threat. Yes, there are recidivism rates to be quoted, and I firmly believe that those who sexually prey on people will always be a threat to society. But, what about the drunk college streaker or the people who do stupid thing that we often write-off as “stupid,” but result in the “sex offender” stigma.
A recent Good Morning America segment calls out the latest phenomena of “sexting” by teens and tweens, where young kids are taking and sending revealing (and often sexual in nature) pictures of themselves to their friends. The problem is that in some states, the statues against kiddie porn would apply to both the recipient of the pic, as well as the child who took the self-portrait. Under those state laws, both could be labeled as sex offenders in possession of or distributing child porn.
I believe there needs to be full disclosure of the actions of an individual. I know we want to call an apple an apple, and I agree. But I ask, are we calling it a Gala apple? A Red Delicious? A Granny Smith? Or do we keep with one narrow definition that provides little information besides the fact that it’s an apple?
Can you inlight me and tell me the exact age you had sex?
The exact age you looked at a girl as something more then a playmate?
Can you tell me how old she was?
My guesses are if you was like when I was in highschool I as a female dated men at least 4 years older then me. Oh no they are sex offenders lock them up and throw away the key!
Oh no I married one of those sex offenders!
Yes I am being sarcastic to you but this is what all of this is sounding like. There is a difference between a sex offender and a sex offender who is a threat.
I hope you never got on one of those drunk nights as a college student that you pulled over and peed on the side of the road because you are a sex offender.
One more thing I want to include. Look at the percentage of sex offenders who knew their victims. They sure didn’t look for them on the internet and say oh I want that one. When are parents going to take responsibility and keep an eye on their children online as well as in public?
Uh oh, they are now going to migrate to LinkedIn – soon they won’t be able to find jobs! I would prefer that facebook prevent felons and scammers who want to steal my identity.
Once again sick American society was given a hint – parents don’t need to control what their kids are up to. Now corporations are obligated to do it for lazy and useless dads and moms.
Way to go America !
Most sex offenders have mutliple victims. Also, those who are convicted are caught again over 40% of the time. That is just the ones that are caught. You can easily expect that over 2/3 of offenders recommit the same offense. Sorry but with all the children on Facebook, the offenders should not be allowed there. Let them meet who they want in public places. They should not have unnecessary avenues to talk to children.
No, it’s children who should not be let on facebook. And did you know that 65.876% of statistics on the internet are just made out of thin air?
Just to provide some data here:
http://en.wikip...ecidivism_rates
Basically, recidivism rates for sex offenders are somewhere between 0% and 5.5%. According to a study by the Department of Justice, sex offenders were less likely to be rearrested than other offenders:
http://www.ojp.....htm#recidivism
Obviously sex offenses are a heinous crime, but we should always be sure to consider the facts.
That PR guy at Facebook sounds like a scumbag
Facebook employees answer questions like a bunch of robots or like a cult or something. Facebook is one evil company!
That must be some of the most stupid thing I’ve ever read…
Of course there’s gonna be criminals on the net.. what did you expect???
I don’t see what this got to do with Facebook, Myspace or even Internet though…
You can meet a criminal when you go shopping…
So.. OH MY GOD!.. we must close down all the stores out there.. and… lock up all our kids… the whole world must be closed down.. because else we could meet a criminal person somewhere..
Dont go home with someone you meet in the pub either.. don’t date anyone.. that could be a criminal for Gods sake..
Stay home and lock yourself up in the wardrobe and have a fun life…
It’s dangerous to live.
Greetings from Sweden.
@m96 — So, you are saying that in Sweden raping children is like shoplifting? Sex offenders should be treated like petty thieves? let them live in the community like any other outstanding citizens?
You are really an ignorant.
“Ignorant”??? Tom, you truly are a giant bag of douche. One of the biggest I’ve ever read on-line. This Swedish post reveals to us 1)how utterly ridiculous sex-offender laws in the United States are, and 2) how the rest of the world views us as scared, whiny, pathetic little babies that would rather cry than act.
And by the way- you aren’t the same “Tom” that created Myspace, are you? Hmmmmmm…
Where in MySpace.com Terms of Use Agreement does it prohibit a person on the registry from having an account? It does prohibit sexual exploitation, but that would cover anyone even if not yet caught. Not every RSO is a child molester or even looking.
This is just sad, nothing else to really say.
It should be all over their site that they are an offender. They need a department in these companies to protect the users from these people.
oh oh and also the government should enlist squads of militias in every single neighborhood in America to patrol the streets with machine guns to protect us from terrorism and communists.
and facebook should provide all users with a free escape pod, in case someone they meet online comes and robs them or tries to rape them. it’s just common sense. if facebook doesn’t do it, they clearly hate America. basically by not doing so they are taking a big steamy dump on Ol’ Glory.
They could make a social network especially for felons and anyone who wants to meet them. The only way facebook or myspace can enforce this is if the ex-cons are specifically forbidden from going on social networking sites. If they are not, they could sue the sites. Facebook is extremely private and no one can see your profile if they are not your friend or go to the same college. Heck, even some so-called friends or ex-girlfriends can stalk and abuse your private profile information so its too vague to simply try to ban all sexual predators from a social networking site unless there is a real law forbidding their participation.
For the cost of 2 or 3 racks of servers, Facebook could stop registered sex offenders. Facebook chooses not to, because they couldn’t care less.
Obviously, SENTINEL would never take this approach unless it was the ONLY way to make Facebook remove predators.
If Sentinel wanted Facebook to pay, this is the worst way to go about it. They obviously have already spoken to FB and FB has repeatedly refused to use technology to remove predators.
Face it, people, Facebook is EVIL. They’ve never been anything but. It’s not that Myspace is less evil, but Myspace at least does what it can do to stop registered sex offendeers.
Facebook says it’s the state’s problem because there is no central place — that’s BS – pay the people who have a solution and follow Myspace.
For the cost of 2 or 3 racks of servers, Facebook can stop registered sex offenders. They choose not to, because they couldn’t care less.
+1
i’m no FB fan at all, but why are they “EVIL”? They aren’t rolling in money. They are working with what $ they do have to keep their system up and figure out how to avoid the fate of Friendster (ie become irrelevant at some point)
I think it’s naive of people to think that pedophiles, thieves, sicks, murderers, scam artists – whatever, aren’t going to be on open, free, social networks. Teach children how not to friend random ppl then go meet them at the mall…
I can’t wait to see this on the front page of CNN in a few days:
Facebook — a Haven for Predators
if these sex offenders smarten up a lil bit, they prolly will able to get a real girlfriend
everyone here who is saying that a registered sex offender must be a child molester and must be stopped. where is your proof? how about you all look into the actual facts instead of the crap you pull from your rectum, and realise that most people on the list are there because of minor things (public urination is pretty common people) are they going to re offend, possibly, if they cant find a toilet in time, but it doesnt mean that they are going to finish urinating and then rape some children.
Wake up america, start actually rating the seriousness of a ’sex offence’ so that those who made a drunken mistake, or were having sex with their girlfriend after midnight of their 18th birthday, can actually get a chance at life, instead of being tarred with the same brush as rapists.
im glad australia isnt this closed minded in this regard
indeed
no need to bring in the preachy “My Country > America” tone though
I found this article the other day and looks important:
http://www.once...ternetLaws.html
It makes me think. What happens when you look like someone on this registry? Or if you have a screen name that looks like a sex offender screen name? Say goodbye to your Facebook account.
Hey. I need a list of these 90,000 Myspace sex offenders so I can see if I know any of them. Most of them are middle aged old guys that have no sex life and are pedophiles, too. I heard in the news this guy got 300 years in prison for child molestation and getting his step daughter pregnant at 15. He’s gonna burn in hell.
What I don’t understand is why there is no simple technological solution.
“Are you a registered sex offender” at registration. If yes, mark the profile accordingly.
If subsequently discovered, then mark the profile accordingly. Disabling these people’s ability to communicate in our increasingly connected world will only create extreme difficulties.
Eventually, we will have this problem: “Are you on Facebook?” “I am, but I have to use a fake name and can’t use my real pictures due to some stuff that happened before the age of the Internet, sorry…”
After all, what’s next? Checking LinkedIn? Why should LinkedIn not be subject to the rules under which MySpace and Facebook are currently burdened?
I don’t know if I have friends who are registered sex offenders, but I do have friends who are registered drug offenders. That’s probably going to be the next target.
Google is used by sex offenders, therefore it’s a haven for sex offenders.
My God, think of the children! Let’s throw money at the problem!
As a social networking industry insider, and someone with friends and associates inside many of the social network sites, I can confirm that Facebook did in fact have conversations with Sentinel, multiple times, and never moved the ball forward.
Facebook felt they were impervious to PR damage, and thought they could stall by just taking meetings with solutions vendors, then claiming that they were doing things in house.
Still being in the industry, I can say that Sentinel is considered a very ethical and honest company, and their CEO is considered the same. While one can never be sure of another’s motivations, from my experience with them, I seriously doubt that Sentinel did this in an attempt to gain Facebook business. In fact, I’m pretty sure they knew they’d be eliminating any chance of that, but did what they thought was right.
Is Facebook a bad company? No, not at all. They are however off base on how they handle the sex offender issue.
What Sentinel did was educate people as to another set of internet dangers. Let’s not shoot the messenger for the message.
See? Once the due process of law has been broken by one web-site the blackmailer appeared and is requiring a ransom from ANOTHER web-site.
THIS is the ‘Preventive Justice’ in action.
You are CREATING the gangster mentality right here and you are proliferating this mob mentality.
Are you f…ing thinking at all? You know this blog is becoming a place for the most shitty and yellow journalism… I have no words.