Comments on: The Canary At The New York Times Grows Larger As Internet Advertising Keeps Dropping http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/ Startup and Technology News Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:45:04 -0800 hourly 1 By: Marc http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2931839 Marc Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:18:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2931839 This is a great info, thanks for sharing. This is a great info, thanks for sharing.

]]> By: Online Ad Revenues At The New York Times Keep Dropping Like A Rock http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2874162 Online Ad Revenues At The New York Times Keep Dropping Like A Rock Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:02:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2874162 [...] the chart above. In the last three quarters the annual decline went from a 3.5 percent drop in the fourth quarter of 2008 to a 6.1 percent decrease in the first quarter of 2009 to negative 15.5 percent this [...] [...] the chart above. In the last three quarters the annual decline went from a 3.5 percent drop in the fourth quarter of 2008 to a 6.1 percent decrease in the first quarter of 2009 to negative 15.5 percent this [...]

]]> By: CostaBlanca Reposessions http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2844352 CostaBlanca Reposessions Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:03:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2844352 I think there are constraints on all types of media advertising in the current recession. If the canary is still alive and kicking, then internet advertising is still in strong shape! I think there are constraints on all types of media advertising in the current recession. If the canary is still alive and kicking, then internet advertising is still in strong shape!

]]> By: Quick Find Tech News » New York Times Sees Intensifying Advertiser Pullback In First Quarter http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2708582 Quick Find Tech News » New York Times Sees Intensifying Advertiser Pullback In First Quarter Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:49:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2708582 [...] advertising revenues declined 6.1 percent to $67.6 million, compared to a 3.5 percent decline last quarter. The advertising situation at About.com is more “anemic” than at [...] [...] advertising revenues declined 6.1 percent to $67.6 million, compared to a 3.5 percent decline last quarter. The advertising situation at About.com is more “anemic” than at [...]

]]> By: New York Times Sees Intensifying Advertiser Pullback In First Quarter http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2708576 New York Times Sees Intensifying Advertiser Pullback In First Quarter Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:47:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2708576 [...] advertising revenues declined 6.1 percent to $67.6 million, compared to a 3.5 percent decline last quarter. The advertising situation at About.com is more “anemic” than at [...] [...] advertising revenues declined 6.1 percent to $67.6 million, compared to a 3.5 percent decline last quarter. The advertising situation at About.com is more “anemic” than at [...]

]]> By: New York Times Sees Intensifying Advertiser Pullback In First Quarter http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2708480 New York Times Sees Intensifying Advertiser Pullback In First Quarter Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:45:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2708480 [...] advertising revenues declined 6.1 percent to $67.6 million, compared to a 3.5 percent decline last quarter. Total advertising revenues were $335 million in the quarter and all revenues, [...] [...] advertising revenues declined 6.1 percent to $67.6 million, compared to a 3.5 percent decline last quarter. Total advertising revenues were $335 million in the quarter and all revenues, [...]

]]> By: Growth for Newspapers Online? Yes and No | PR2.0 http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2663035 Growth for Newspapers Online? Yes and No | PR2.0 Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:37:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2663035 [...] TechCrunch on The New York Times fourth quarter earnings…Total advertising revenues were down 13.1 [...] [...] TechCrunch on The New York Times fourth quarter earnings…Total advertising revenues were down 13.1 [...]

]]> By: Jefferson’s Rolling Over in His Grave http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2652712 Jefferson’s Rolling Over in His Grave Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:37:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2652712 [...] papers are staring at mounting debt and declining ad revenues. The NY Times — they’re not doing so hot, either — had a story on the plight of newspapers [...] [...] papers are staring at mounting debt and declining ad revenues. The NY Times — they’re not doing so hot, either — had a story on the plight of newspapers [...]

]]> By: The New York Times Expected To Launch Local Blog Network On Monday | Blog YODspica Ltd http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2638698 The New York Times Expected To Launch Local Blog Network On Monday | Blog YODspica Ltd Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:41:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2638698 [...] said, its Internet advertising revenues are dropping while its visitor numbers are also in decline. The local blog initiative could be a way to counter [...] [...] said, its Internet advertising revenues are dropping while its visitor numbers are also in decline. The local blog initiative could be a way to counter [...]

]]> By: The New York Times Expected To Launch Local Blog Network On Monday http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2638692 The New York Times Expected To Launch Local Blog Network On Monday Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:24:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2638692 [...] said, its Internet advertising revenues are dropping while its visitor numbers are also in decline. The local blog initiative could be a way to counter [...] [...] said, its Internet advertising revenues are dropping while its visitor numbers are also in decline. The local blog initiative could be a way to counter [...]

]]> By: Online ads are in trouble « Qwerty2009’s Blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2618965 Online ads are in trouble « Qwerty2009’s Blog Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:36:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2618965 [...] is in for a rough patch, especially for display advertising,” it says. And it noted that things were worse at the NYT. “Total advertising revenues were down 13.1 percent in the quarter to $1.8 billion. Of that, [...] [...] is in for a rough patch, especially for display advertising,” it says. And it noted that things were worse at the NYT. “Total advertising revenues were down 13.1 percent in the quarter to $1.8 billion. Of that, [...]

]]> By: Acts of Sedition, Contrition and Prosti..tition? Why we still need newspapers like the New York Times « Alittleclarity’s Weblog http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2615829 Acts of Sedition, Contrition and Prosti..tition? Why we still need newspapers like the New York Times « Alittleclarity’s Weblog Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:19:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2615829 [...] respect) and TechCrunch (and all their commenters and fans who want to be liked by TechCrunch) chimed in, and it got absurd. Has it occurred to anyone that the economy could also play a tiny role in [...] [...] respect) and TechCrunch (and all their commenters and fans who want to be liked by TechCrunch) chimed in, and it got absurd. Has it occurred to anyone that the economy could also play a tiny role in [...]

]]> By: Web Executive http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2613432 Web Executive Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:06:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2613432 I think you may be right about those post-election blues. I was “politically exhausted” after the election, and have spent little time on NYTimes.com since November. Normally I am a daily visitor, now it’s twice a week at best. I think you may be right about those post-election blues. I was “politically exhausted” after the election, and have spent little time on NYTimes.com since November. Normally I am a daily visitor, now it’s twice a week at best.

]]> By: In case you missed it last week… | byJoeyBaker http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2611547 In case you missed it last week… | byJoeyBaker Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:14:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2611547 [...] The Canary At The New York Times Grows Larger As Internet Advertising Keeps Dropping: If the New York Times has seen stagnant online ad revenue for the last year, things are not looking good for the industry as a whole. [...] [...] The Canary At The New York Times Grows Larger As Internet Advertising Keeps Dropping: If the New York Times has seen stagnant online ad revenue for the last year, things are not looking good for the industry as a whole. [...]

]]> By: Shoring Up The Online Advertising Biz | Kawink Blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2611419 Shoring Up The Online Advertising Biz | Kawink Blog Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:38:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2611419 [...] The online advertising business is in for a rough patch, especially for display advertising. The signs are everywhere. Yahoo, the biggest publisher of display ads on the Web, reported a 2 percent decline in display ad revenues in the fourth quarter, and the New York Times is seeing even steeper declines. [...] [...] The online advertising business is in for a rough patch, especially for display advertising. The signs are everywhere. Yahoo, the biggest publisher of display ads on the Web, reported a 2 percent decline in display ad revenues in the fourth quarter, and the New York Times is seeing even steeper declines. [...]

]]> By: Merredith http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2610927 Merredith Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:48:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2610927 Greg, I agree. I'm an avid social media user, but Twitter, et al, doesn't replace content. Content can be expensive to produce; but how will the GOOGs of the world survive if there is less trusted content to strip? Besides, I believe NYT's overall quarterly traffic numbers were up. Like Greg, I don't think it's as easy as one being "dead" and another type of media being "alive." Only thing I'm sure of is there are many orgs. trying to figure out an answer -- what it is, and who's imagining it and going to make money from it, remains to be seen. Greg, I agree. I’m an avid social media user, but Twitter, et al, doesn’t replace content. Content can be expensive to produce; but how will the GOOGs of the world survive if there is less trusted content to strip? Besides, I believe NYT’s overall quarterly traffic numbers were up. Like Greg, I don’t think it’s as easy as one being “dead” and another type of media being “alive.” Only thing I’m sure of is there are many orgs. trying to figure out an answer — what it is, and who’s imagining it and going to make money from it, remains to be seen.

]]> By: Shoring Up The Online Advertising Biz http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2610372 Shoring Up The Online Advertising Biz Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:43:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2610372 [...] The online advertising business is in for a rough patch, especially for display advertising. The signs are everywhere. Yahoo, the biggest publisher of display ads on the Web, reported a 2 percent decline in display ad revenues in the fourth quarter, and the New York Times is seeing even steeper declines. [...] [...] The online advertising business is in for a rough patch, especially for display advertising. The signs are everywhere. Yahoo, the biggest publisher of display ads on the Web, reported a 2 percent decline in display ad revenues in the fourth quarter, and the New York Times is seeing even steeper declines. [...]

]]> By: barb http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2610358 barb Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:34:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2610358 people do not trust the internet enough for it to be a total success for advertising. we do newspapers because we feel close to them. the up side is we are in the privacy of our domain with the internet(or so we sometimes think we are).the headlines with good stories are still good if you afford to still do that. people do not trust the internet enough for it to be a total success for advertising. we do newspapers because we feel close to them. the up side is we are in the privacy of our domain with the internet(or so we sometimes think we are).the headlines with good stories are still good if you afford to still do that.

]]> By: Matt Terenzio http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2610077 Matt Terenzio Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:09:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2610077 Yeah, so how does that contradict what I said? Yeah, so how does that contradict what I said?

]]> By: imoDOTcom http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2609794 imoDOTcom Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:01:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2609794 It's the Economy stupid. That's whats driving the decline, everywhere, in every stat. Just like Radio and Railroads CANNOT DIE, so WON'T Newspapers. Some will, but not all. The Valuation of many newspaper-only entities may decline, but there will be other Newspapers who will come out stronger. This article is ill-titled, ill-researched and ill-written. - imoDOTcom - It’s the Economy stupid.

That’s whats driving the decline, everywhere, in every stat.

Just like Radio and Railroads CANNOT DIE, so WON’T Newspapers. Some will, but not all.

The Valuation of many newspaper-only entities may decline, but there will be other Newspapers who will come out stronger.

This article is ill-titled, ill-researched and ill-written.

- imoDOTcom -

]]> By: greg http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2609754 greg Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:12:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2609754 Seriously: "social media" is a lot more telephone than television. I think you need to be careful before you engender visions of one experience wholly replacing the other. Seriously: “social media” is a lot more telephone than television. I think you need to be careful before you engender visions of one experience wholly replacing the other.

]]> By: greg http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2609753 greg Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:10:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2609753 I kind of follow what you're saying, but demand, budgeting, and the marketplace are a little different when you compare the manufacturing and sale of a family automobile to visiting a free Web site/service. I kind of follow what you’re saying, but demand, budgeting, and the marketplace are a little different when you compare the manufacturing and sale of a family automobile to visiting a free Web site/service.

]]> By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="740519651">Robert Haak</fb:name> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2609737 Robert Haak Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:00:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2609737 Also, isn't it possible that (increasingly) some people don't like the material that is written by the NYT? Also, isn’t it possible that (increasingly) some people don’t like the material that is written by the NYT?

]]> By: Leigh Ann http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2609704 Leigh Ann Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:08:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2609704 I'm with Bill. NYT has a loyal fan base but they've seen it all and been through it all. We're behind you NYT, we'll climb the mountain with you NTY, just show us your worthy by bringing something different to the masses. I will never knock someone who at least gives a ---- and tries. I’m with Bill.
NYT has a loyal fan base but they’ve seen it all and been through it all.
We’re behind you NYT, we’ll climb the mountain with you NTY, just show us your worthy by bringing something different to the masses. I will never knock someone who at least gives a —- and tries.

]]> By: spandana http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/the-canary-at-the-new-york-times-grows-louder-as-internet-advertising-keeps-dropping/comment-page-1/#comment-2609702 spandana Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:03:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=39900#comment-2609702 newspaper columns and stories are still the best produced most consumable content on the web. the random junk that is UGC is never going to interesting interesting to mass audience at scale. the problem is that newspapers haven't innovated on how to command premium monetization on premium content. the general ad-overload and lack of price discrimination based on the quality of CTRs is pretty much an artifact of democracy on the web, pushed by Google. imagine a local story about a restaurant opening that could be monetized by coupons from that store! i bet there is more money there than $0.05 from adsense peddling cheap medications. newspaper columns and stories are still the best produced most consumable content on the web. the random junk that is UGC is never going to interesting interesting to mass audience at scale.

the problem is that newspapers haven’t innovated on how to command premium monetization on premium content. the general ad-overload and lack of price discrimination based on the quality of CTRs is pretty much an artifact of democracy on the web, pushed by Google.

imagine a local story about a restaurant opening that could be monetized by coupons from that store! i bet there is more money there than $0.05 from adsense peddling cheap medications.

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