Facebook’s ongoing effort to launch a free streaming music service is stalled, according to multiple sources familiar with the situation. The company was close to a deal that would bring free streaming music from three of the four big labels (Universal, Sony, EMI) through the Total Music joint venture. But the deal stalled when the lone holdout, Warner Music, refused to participate.
Through most of 2008 Facebook said on and off record that they had no real interest in their own music service and that third parties like iLike could continue to build their Facebook music applications without fear of competition directly from Facebook.
News leaked in the Fall, though, that Facebook had approached a number of third parties to power the official Facebook music application:
We believe, based on discussions with a number of sources, that Buzznet, iLike, iMeem, LaLa, Last.fm, Rhapsody and other services were contacted and provided with a document (sometimes referred to by sources as a RFP (request for proposal), other times called a term sheet) that outlined certain goals of the new Facebook music service.
The RFP requires the third party service to build and power a new Facebook Music Service that offers free music streaming and playlists, music downloads for a fee, and other music merchandising services such as ringtones, concert ticket sales and physical goods like tshirts (if this sounds like MySpace Music, it’s because it is exactly their model). The service must not only handle front end user requirements but must also be able to handle the very tricky tracking issues required by the labels to monitor music streams and fees.
The RFP also includes onerous termination provisions that allow Facebook to take ownership and control of the service and the user data under certain circumstances. In return, say our sources, Facebook will offer the third party a split on revenues generated from the service.
We’ve heard conflicting accounts of who will pay for the big up front fees labels require to get a music service up and running. Some estimates of prepaid royalty requirements are as high as $100 million, which Facebook is looking to avoid paying themselves. Other sources say that Facebook may be willing to pay these fees if they can’t force the third party to take them on.
Many people, us included, saw this as a new effort by Facebook to tackle the music opportunity. But our sources say it was actually near the end of a year-long effort by Facebook to launch their own free streaming music service in partnership with Total Music. Only when those discussion faltered did Facebook reach out to other third parties.
Total Music And Facebook
Total Music, a joint venture by Universal and Sony BMG, has had Facebook target from the beginning. The labels approach the Internet from two directions. The first is the command and conquer approach, which is how imeem, MySpace and others were neutered. Sue the hell out of whoever dares to host music online, then cut a deal with them that brings in millions of dollars in penalties and fees.
The second approach is what Total Music is all about. The service, which acquired Ruckus to handle the back end, is striving to cut two types of deals. The first is with device makers to allow music to be accessed directly from the device for free. The device makers pay a fee to Total Music, which is passed on to the consumer. The second type of deal is with websites – who get to stream music for free with advertising. The revenue from those ads, plus a lot of user data, is owned by Total Music.
That’s the deal that Total Music approached Facebook with. Facebook would get free streaming music (while rival MySpace paid a fee per song played). Total Music would serve advertising and keep all the revenue. Facebook would also hand over user data to allow Total Music to port playlists to supported devices and other services.
The deal never happened and looks like it never will. Some sources say it was because Facebook didn’t want to hand over all the revenue and user data, and so they reached out to third parties to get a better deal. But others have a different explanation which makes more sense. Warner Music refused to allow their music to be accessed for free.
Warner, a big shareholder in LaLa (a service we’ve raved about) – they took most of the company’s recent $20 million venture round. They’ve been pushing LaLa heavily to Facebook.
But LaLa’s model requires users to pay to stream music, a non-starter for Facebook and any serious rival to MySpace.
That leaves Facebook in a tough spot. Venture dollars to fund a big new streaming music service have dried up, so its unlikely that any third party will be able to pay the tens of millions of dollars it will require to get a MySpace Music-like deal done. The Total Music deal is being blocked by Warner. And LaLa’s business model just doesn’t work with what Facebook wants to do (free).
That means Facebook either needs to pay, or Warner needs to budge. Neither may happen, and rumor is that Total Music’s political capital at Universal and Sony has all but dried up as they struggle to complete the Facebook or any other deal.








This is probably a blessing in disguise. This would have been another profitless service that sucks up bandwidth and CPU cycles
I agree, they are already a great big money hole, adding a music streaming service would just have made them sink that much faster. YouTube has Google paying it’s bills, Facebook has an over-bloated valuation which doesn’t.
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Well I think this is good and band. Its good for facebook because now they will have some bandwidth to use since sometimes, it is so slow! On the other hand, Facebook will lose money, and maybe some users. But hopefully someday they will come up with a plan or something to do this again or something. I don’t know.
Anyways, this reminds of why playlist got removed from the applications, It was used a lot.
Remember that Facebook is not suppose to be MySpace!
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The music industry is spiraling down. (keane) It seemed to be making a comeback, but with this and youtube. God help the song.
people aren’t going to stop making music no matter what
Not being able to make Facebook Music is the best thing for Facebook. Open platform is the thing that will save Facebook from phasing out and dying out. Create more integration and features with existing third party applications. Allow people to import and export more features.
That is the key. This whole information-silo lock down into Facebook is the thing that will kill Facebook.
So Facebook is definitely turning into a larger scope of service.
They are trying to, but man-child CEO is going to mess it all up. Facebook is a sinking ship.
First YouTube, now this. Warner is pushing the limits and it won’t be long untill we’ll see world wide boycotts on this label and their bands. Bands we’ll switch labels and Warner will die in pain. Hope that day comes soon
Umm, what? WB is trying things like Hulu and LaLa to keep people turned on. Why are you so mad at a failed Facebook partnership?
I’m mad at a failed YouTube partnership. Removing all their videos including those from official bands channels (ex: Metallica, System Of A Down etc) is just screaming bad PR. That’s just pure greed
Imagine all the money FB and MS would save if they just remain true to their original visions instead of copying what their competition does – MP’s new apps and now the attempted Facebook Music.
Imagine how much more powerful each’s own would be if they’d just to be true to themselves: MS’s media hub and FB’s API DP.
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why warned said yes to MySpace and no to FB?
Myspace probably handled dealing with them better and it’s already been proven a great viral way to get music out there.
Facebook is not really good at handling deals besides Microsoft as far as i can tell.
It seems that the myspace music also had some issues with Facebook lately What does you think about it in terms of having more facebook applications here.
I really hope that Warner dies a slow painful death. All the bands should change records.
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Well I think this is good and band. Its good for facebook because now they will have some bandwidth to use since sometimes, it is so slow! On the other hand, Facebook will lose money, and maybe some users. But hopefully someday they will come up with a plan or something to do this again or something. I don’t know.
Anyways, this reminds of why playlist got removed from the applications, It was used a lot.
Remember that Facebook is not suppose to be MySpace!
WHY does Facebook NEED a streaming music service? I am totally confused by this… if anyone could shed some light on this it would be appreciated. I just don’t see the value add?
They don’t NEED a music service but having one would be a great help for a potential revenue/business model.
It would also increase users time spent on the site which they could throw around to there stock holders saying check this out. I know if they had a music service I wouldn’t bother with Myspace Music anymore.
i believe facebook, being a platform for sharing with friends, is a natural fit for music. one powerful form of music discovery has always been sharing with friends. it’s a social act and reflection of one’s tastes, just like photo sharing, video sharing, etc.
facebook cannot allow people to upload mp3s to share because that is lawsuit territory. i think facebook absolutely should figure out how to allow music sharing.
I was actually expecting a pretty nice coalition between this two giants.
This is very disappointing to hear to say the least
This is very unfortunate. Facebook is the perfect place to have a music streaming service, with embedded ads. I definitely hope they resolve their issues quickly and move forward somehow.
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Some said there will be no more Unauthorized Copyrighted Music In YouTube, now we see Warner doing this action. Seems like the record company has to find new way to make money in the internet age.
As a musician in this digital age, free music is the only way to go. But one thing for sure, which is, Music can generate traffic!
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You’d think they’d consider finding a third party service that could live on both MySpace and Facebook, buy them out, then control the content on their network (Facebook) while having the ability to push content into the MySpace.
Such third parties include bandbox.com or ilike.com
Since facebook’s steaming music deal failed, they should allow members to post playlist.com playlists.
ILike sucks.
It’s been years and these suits still cant figure out what to do with the internet…
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As long as we have http://mixifier.com and http://www.spotify.com in Europe I dont care
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I don’t care about Facebook Music, I just want WMG to make a deal with Youtube… I already post tons of songs from Youtube on Facebook, songs owned by other music labels.