Comments on: Study: Newspaper Websites Are Still Figuring Out This Whole Conversation Thing http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/ Startup and Technology News Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:25:35 -0800 hourly 1 By: CircLabs’ Bill Densmore on tracking readers’ habits to build new revenue streams for news organizations » Nieman Journalism Lab http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2815152 CircLabs’ Bill Densmore on tracking readers’ habits to build new revenue streams for news organizations » Nieman Journalism Lab Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:33:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2815152 [...] the past few years about requiring registration to view beyond the front page of websites? I think there was a study that came out a month or so ago saying that that practice has declined and that most news [...] [...] the past few years about requiring registration to view beyond the front page of websites? I think there was a study that came out a month or so ago saying that that practice has declined and that most news [...]

]]> By: Seattle Post-Intelligencer’s Final Edition Prints Today - Ryan Fish TV http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2657334 Seattle Post-Intelligencer’s Final Edition Prints Today - Ryan Fish TV Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:40:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2657334 [...] jobs as editors of the new online edition. Will it work? If P-I’s online publication includes these key components it will definitely have a good chance of being a new kind of [...] [...] jobs as editors of the new online edition. Will it work? If P-I’s online publication includes these key components it will definitely have a good chance of being a new kind of [...]

]]> By: News out of the paper | brants http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2602083 News out of the paper | brants Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:15:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2602083 [...] in desperation mode now (no, don’t throw ink at me, this is in the US market context) to make sense of the wild wild web, as the very public who used to pay for the print editions now want it on the [...] [...] in desperation mode now (no, don’t throw ink at me, this is in the US market context) to make sense of the wild wild web, as the very public who used to pay for the print editions now want it on the [...]

]]> By: News out of the paper | b r a n t s http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2602082 News out of the paper | b r a n t s Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:14:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2602082 [...] in desperation mode now (no, don’t throw ink at me, this is in the US market context) to make sense of the wild wild web, as the very public who used to pay for the print editions now want it on the [...] [...] in desperation mode now (no, don’t throw ink at me, this is in the US market context) to make sense of the wild wild web, as the very public who used to pay for the print editions now want it on the [...]

]]> By: Le Web du futur « Des formats journalistiques sur le Web http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2597712 Le Web du futur « Des formats journalistiques sur le Web Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:17:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2597712 [...] Study: Newspaper Websites Are Still Figuring Out This Whole Conversation Thing http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conv... [...] [...] Study: Newspaper Websites Are Still Figuring Out This Whole Conversation Thing http://www.tech...this-whole-conv... [...]

]]> By: La incursión de los medios tradicionales a la internet « RobertDice.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2584801 La incursión de los medios tradicionales a la internet « RobertDice.com Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:09:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2584801 [...] Newspaper Websites Are Still figuring out this whole conversation thing es una anotación bastante interesante en la que se presenta el cómo los medios tradicionales están tratando de adaptarse a este medio, con algunas gráficas bastante buenas, se muestra claramente que la mayoría de estos medios van por buen camino por así decirlo, optando por la creación de blogs para sobrevivir esta era de cambios. Pero el problema que se observa en las fotografías y es uno muy común (al menos en mi localidad) es el de esos medios periodicos que incursionan en las nuevas tecnologías creando sus versiones digitales no terminan de aterrizar bien la idea ó logran entender realmente el potencial que existe en estos lados. [...] [...] Newspaper Websites Are Still figuring out this whole conversation thing es una anotación bastante interesante en la que se presenta el cómo los medios tradicionales están tratando de adaptarse a este medio, con algunas gráficas bastante buenas, se muestra claramente que la mayoría de estos medios van por buen camino por así decirlo, optando por la creación de blogs para sobrevivir esta era de cambios. Pero el problema que se observa en las fotografías y es uno muy común (al menos en mi localidad) es el de esos medios periodicos que incursionan en las nuevas tecnologías creando sus versiones digitales no terminan de aterrizar bien la idea ó logran entender realmente el potencial que existe en estos lados. [...]

]]> By: Breaking The News | Tropophilia http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2581126 Breaking The News | Tropophilia Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:03:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2581126 [...] printed magazine).  Other papers have not been as bold, and are making slow progress.  TechCrunch points to a recent study showing that while most of the top 100 newspapers in the country have [...] [...] printed magazine).  Other papers have not been as bold, and are making slow progress.  TechCrunch points to a recent study showing that while most of the top 100 newspapers in the country have [...]

]]> By: Niclas “Deeped” Strandh » Blog Archive » Strandh delar med sig - 2008 12 29 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2579715 Niclas “Deeped” Strandh » Blog Archive » Strandh delar med sig - 2008 12 29 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:58:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2579715 [...] Study: Newspaper Websites Are Still Figuring Out This Whole Conversation ThingTechcrunch har läst Bidingundersökningen. [...] [...] Study: Newspaper Websites Are Still Figuring Out This Whole Conversation ThingTechcrunch har läst Bidingundersökningen. [...]

]]> By: InfoTrust, LLC: Web 2.0 Consulting in Cincinnati » Blog Archive » Web features of America’s largest newspapers - Social media use in on the rise http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2575719 InfoTrust, LLC: Web 2.0 Consulting in Cincinnati » Blog Archive » Web features of America’s largest newspapers - Social media use in on the rise Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:59:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2575719 [...] this interesting article on TechCrunch. very interesting analysis. The original study by Bivings Group is [...] [...] this interesting article on TechCrunch. very interesting analysis. The original study by Bivings Group is [...]

]]> By: Andrew Golis » Blog Archive » links for 2008-12-22 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2574833 Andrew Golis » Blog Archive » links for 2008-12-22 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:02:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2574833 [...] Study: Newspaper Websites Are Still Figuring Out This Whole Conversation Thing Loves me some numbers. (tags: advertising new.media metrics techcrunch newspaper user-generated.content) [...] [...] Study: Newspaper Websites Are Still Figuring Out This Whole Conversation Thing Loves me some numbers. (tags: advertising new.media metrics techcrunch newspaper user-generated.content) [...]

]]> By: 2009 Newspaper Study Coverage Roundup http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2574683 2009 Newspaper Study Coverage Roundup Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:30:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2574683 [...] TechCrunch (check out this graph): Newspapers are still lurching their way around the Web, a new study finds, but at least they are making some progress. The Bivings Group released a study today that quantifies the Website features of the top 100 newspapers in the U.S. Among the findings: Nearly every newspaper site has reporter-written blogs and some form of video; features that elicit content from readers are on the rise; podcasts and mandatory registrations are down; social networking features are pretty much non-existent. [...] [...] TechCrunch (check out this graph): Newspapers are still lurching their way around the Web, a new study finds, but at least they are making some progress. The Bivings Group released a study today that quantifies the Website features of the top 100 newspapers in the U.S. Among the findings: Nearly every newspaper site has reporter-written blogs and some form of video; features that elicit content from readers are on the rise; podcasts and mandatory registrations are down; social networking features are pretty much non-existent. [...]

]]> By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="750148304">Joshua Fleetwood</fb:name> http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2574673 Joshua Fleetwood Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:12:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2574673 "If all newspapers wised up and stopped allowing free and unrestricted access to their content, their content would increase in value and they would be able to charge advertisers to access their high end audiences." Ha. No. If all newspapers "wised up and stopped allowing free and unrestricted access to their content", people would just go elsewhere for news... Like tv station websites and local blogs. Newspapers would close even faster because, without traffic, there is NO model at all. Not to mention Google makes way too much money on google news to let it die. If you think they wouldn't dig deeper to both create and aggregate content to keep it alive, then you haven't thunk at all. It's a pretty idea, pay-to-read, but it is many, many, many years too late. The Pandora's box is already open. There is no closing it now. "Free local newspapers are ALL ads. Try to ‘read’ one sometime." Well, you better get used to it. That is the only model that has any potential right now. Free papers are still profitable; Especially local papers. Look at Gatehouse media... Their entire operation is failing EXCEPT CNC (aka metrowest unit), that segment is profitable. Likely not 20% profitable but defiantly profitable. "You can’t make up ‘free’ in volume. There are not enough display ad impressions in the universe to make up the difference between paying $1.00 for a newspaper filled with full-page ads by premier brands and all that same news over the internet for FREE." You are right. But that level of profitability is just gone. It isn't time to make up the difference, it is time to redefine profits in print media. "Newsrooms are very expensive." Yup. and there is the problem. A massive reduction in expenditure is the only way to survive for them. No more 12th floor downtown luxury offices. No more $3,000 fish tanks. No more plant masseuse (I am not kidding). No more plush condos for mediocre execs who refuse to move at their own expense. No more high commission pay for ad "execs". "Problem is, the newspapers are following the wrong advertisers - the ones that are dying, not the ones going onto the web." I totally agree. No argument there at all. "This is about survival." Totally. Until papers get rid of old world publishers and move on to young and fresh models and management, Print Journalism and the print industry are sadly S.O.L “If all newspapers wised up and stopped allowing free and unrestricted access to their content, their content would increase in value and they would be able to charge advertisers to access their high end audiences.”

Ha.

No.

If all newspapers “wised up and stopped allowing free and unrestricted access to their content”, people would just go elsewhere for news… Like tv station websites and local blogs. Newspapers would close even faster because, without traffic, there is NO model at all.

Not to mention Google makes way too much money on google news to let it die. If you think they wouldn’t dig deeper to both create and aggregate content to keep it alive, then you haven’t thunk at all.

It’s a pretty idea, pay-to-read, but it is many, many, many years too late. The Pandora’s box is already open. There is no closing it now.

“Free local newspapers are ALL ads. Try to ‘read’ one sometime.”

Well, you better get used to it.

That is the only model that has any potential right now. Free papers are still profitable; Especially local papers. Look at Gatehouse media… Their entire operation is failing EXCEPT CNC (aka metrowest unit), that segment is profitable. Likely not 20% profitable but defiantly profitable.

“You can’t make up ‘free’ in volume. There are not enough display ad impressions in the universe to make up the difference between paying $1.00 for a newspaper filled with full-page ads by premier brands and all that same news over the internet for FREE.”

You are right. But that level of profitability is just gone. It isn’t time to make up the difference, it is time to redefine profits in print media.

“Newsrooms are very expensive.”

Yup. and there is the problem. A massive reduction in expenditure is the only way to survive for them.
No more 12th floor downtown luxury offices.
No more $3,000 fish tanks.
No more plant masseuse (I am not kidding).
No more plush condos for mediocre execs who refuse to move at their own expense.
No more high commission pay for ad “execs”.

“Problem is, the newspapers are following the wrong advertisers – the ones that are dying, not the ones going onto the web.”

I totally agree. No argument there at all.

“This is about survival.”

Totally. Until papers get rid of old world publishers and move on to young and fresh models and management, Print Journalism and the print industry are sadly S.O.L

]]> By: Jodi Schneider http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2574124 Jodi Schneider Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:25:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2574124 I could envision using a PDF download of the entire paper for a train commute. It's easier than doing a webcrawl if you need the whole paper but plan to read offline. Or perhaps as an archive of the day's news (modern microfilm?). I could envision using a PDF download of the entire paper for a train commute. It’s easier than doing a webcrawl if you need the whole paper but plan to read offline. Or perhaps as an archive of the day’s news (modern microfilm?).

]]> By: Newspapers need to build conversations between advertisers and customers « New Media Fanboy http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2573723 Newspapers need to build conversations between advertisers and customers « New Media Fanboy Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:29:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2573723 [...] TechCrunch’s article chronicles newspapers’ “kitchen sink” approach to &#822....  They cite a Bivings Group study which shows that most newspapers now use blogs, RSS, video, and a whole host of other online tools as they try desperately to replace evaporating print revenues with new distribution streams and advertising opportunities on the Web. [...] [...] TechCrunch’s article chronicles newspapers’ “kitchen sink” approach to &#822….  They cite a Bivings Group study which shows that most newspapers now use blogs, RSS, video, and a whole host of other online tools as they try desperately to replace evaporating print revenues with new distribution streams and advertising opportunities on the Web. [...]

]]> By: Trouble in the Newspaper Biz « Cindy’s Take on Tech http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2573511 Trouble in the Newspaper Biz « Cindy’s Take on Tech Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:24:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2573511 [...] decreased. Not surprised.  I also go somewhere else if I have to register for any basic content. Tech Crunch provides a synopsis with [...] [...] decreased. Not surprised.  I also go somewhere else if I have to register for any basic content. Tech Crunch provides a synopsis with [...]

]]> By: The PHA : Bookmarks for December 19th from 08:33 to 08:33 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2573048 The PHA : Bookmarks for December 19th from 08:33 to 08:33 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:02:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2573048 [...] Study: Newspaper Websites Are Still Figuring Out This Whole Conversation Thing - [...] [...] Study: Newspaper Websites Are Still Figuring Out This Whole Conversation Thing – [...]

]]> By: Michael Olenick http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2572742 Michael Olenick Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:39:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2572742 I wrote to our local newspaper, the Palm Beach Post, about buying online remainder ads to spread awareness of our company, www.takemystuff.com. Their told me to call back in February. Business must be a LOT better than I thought, despite that their website seems to be chock full of house & CPC ads. I wrote to our local newspaper, the Palm Beach Post, about buying online remainder ads to spread awareness of our company, http://www.takemystuff.com. Their told me to call back in February. Business must be a LOT better than I thought, despite that their website seems to be chock full of house & CPC ads.

]]> By: Newpapers Doing Better on the Web…12.19.08 « The Proverbial Lone Wolf Librarian’s Weblog http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2572579 Newpapers Doing Better on the Web…12.19.08 « The Proverbial Lone Wolf Librarian’s Weblog Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:22:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2572579 [...] Newpapers Doing Better on the Web…12.19.08 19 12 2008 Erick Schonfeld writes about newspaper changes on the web at TechCrunch [http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conv...] :  [...] [...] Newpapers Doing Better on the Web…12.19.08 19 12 2008 Erick Schonfeld writes about newspaper changes on the web at TechCrunch [http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conv...] :  [...]

]]> By: Facebook and LinkedIn face competition from Xing | socialmediainfluence.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2572393 Facebook and LinkedIn face competition from Xing | socialmediainfluence.com Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:20:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2572393 [...] Schonfeld at TechCrunch has helpfully annotated some graphs representing the key findings: “Nearly every newspaper site has reporter-written blogs and some form of video; features [...] [...] Schonfeld at TechCrunch has helpfully annotated some graphs representing the key findings: “Nearly every newspaper site has reporter-written blogs and some form of video; features [...]

]]> By: Nigel Eccles http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2572299 Nigel Eccles Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:10:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2572299 Good question. The answer for most papers is yes, but not nearly fast enough. Engagement levels for most news sites is very low compared with social media. Good question.

The answer for most papers is yes, but not nearly fast enough. Engagement levels for most news sites is very low compared with social media.

]]> By: jeff mignon http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2572144 jeff mignon Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:31:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2572144 Now the question is: are the UV and the PV growing for the sites of those newspapers? Now the question is: are the UV and the PV growing for the sites of those newspapers?

]]> By: Hầu hết website báo giấy đứng đầu tại Mỹ đều có blog | Baomoi.com's blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2572133 Hầu hết website báo giấy đứng đầu tại Mỹ đều có blog | Baomoi.com's blog Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:18:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2572133 [...] hợp những nhận định từ báo cáo này và Techcrunch, có thể nhận thấy [...] [...] hợp những nhận định từ báo cáo này và Techcrunch, có thể nhận thấy [...]

]]> By: Glam Is First But More To Follow « Social Mode http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2572014 Glam Is First But More To Follow « Social Mode Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:33:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2572014 [...] the advertisers is getting very tough now that the old publishers are racing as fast as possible to compete in social media and direct ad [...] [...] the advertisers is getting very tough now that the old publishers are racing as fast as possible to compete in social media and direct ad [...]

]]> By: Tan The Man http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2571983 Tan The Man Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:55:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2571983 If only the music industry could get a clue... If only the music industry could get a clue…

]]> By: Fabricio Zuardi http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/18/study-newspaper-websites-are-still-figuring-out-this-whole-conversation-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2571968 Fabricio Zuardi Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:39:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=34266#comment-2571968 Sorry, but I don't follow your logic on the RSS ads… if readers hate them, how is this an opportunity?? There is a reason RSS ads bar is short, although IMHO 1% is already too much. RSS ads is a terrible idea, period. Sorry, but I don’t follow your logic on the RSS ads… if readers hate them, how is this an opportunity??

There is a reason RSS ads bar is short, although IMHO 1% is already too much.

RSS ads is a terrible idea, period.

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