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	<title>Comments on: Facebook Wins An $873 Million Judgment Against Spammers That It Will Never Collect</title>
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		<title>By: nyc concerts</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2833719</link>
		<dc:creator>nyc concerts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the punishment of not using facebook is really not that big a deal</description>
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		<title>By: Facebook wins $873 million Spam Case &#124; Business 2.0 Press</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2757118</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook wins $873 million Spam Case &#124; Business 2.0 Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 05:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Welcome! You seem to be new here, you might want to subscribe to the RSS feed for the best in daily Business, Tech &amp; Web news.Judge Jeremy Fogel in San Jose, California, has just awarded Facebook the largest remedy ever under the CAN-SPAM act, a total of $873 million, against Adam Guerbeuz and Atlantis Blue Capital for spamming people on Facebook. No one will likely face any jail time. However, they have been banned from accessing or using Facebook at any time for any reason whatsoever. You can review the judgment filing here. Via [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Welcome! You seem to be new here, you might want to subscribe to the RSS feed for the best in daily Business, Tech &amp; Web news.Judge Jeremy Fogel in San Jose, California, has just awarded Facebook the largest remedy ever under the CAN-SPAM act, a total of $873 million, against Adam Guerbeuz and Atlantis Blue Capital for spamming people on Facebook. No one will likely face any jail time. However, they have been banned from accessing or using Facebook at any time for any reason whatsoever. You can review the judgment filing here. Via [...]</p>
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		<title>By: IT News #5 &#124; FABblog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2550657</link>
		<dc:creator>IT News #5 &#124; FABblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Facebook vince una causa contro uno spammer    Condividi: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2546961</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let this be a message for others, WE HATE SPAM. IM constantly fighting with spamer at http://tvradionet.com and other sites I own, its so annoying!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let this be a message for others, WE HATE SPAM. IM constantly fighting with spamer at <a href="http://tvradionet.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://tvradionet.com'>http://tvradionet.com</a> and other sites I own, its so annoying!</p>
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		<title>By: No Spam for You! Facebook Awarded $873M in Spam Case &#124; Monty's Mega Marketing</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2546164</link>
		<dc:creator>No Spam for You! Facebook Awarded $873M in Spam Case &#124; Monty's Mega Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Facebook Wins An $873 Million Judgment Against Spammers That It Will Never Collect   Popularity: unranked [?]   Share and Enjoy: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Facebook recibe una gran indemnización por el spam</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2546051</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook recibe una gran indemnización por el spam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] juez Jeremy Fogel, en California, ha otorgado una sentencia favorable a Facebook por valor de 873 millones de dólares en concepto de daños y perjuicios. Adam Guerbuez y Atlantis Blue Capital tendrán que abonar la cantidad a la red social según la [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] juez Jeremy Fogel, en California, ha otorgado una sentencia favorable a Facebook por valor de 873 millones de dólares en concepto de daños y perjuicios. Adam Guerbuez y Atlantis Blue Capital tendrán que abonar la cantidad a la red social según la [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2546044</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone should sue Facebook for spamming.  I never asked Facebook to help someone who just happened to have my email to send me email.  It&#039;s so frigging annoying.  I tried to contact Facebook by phone to get them to remove my email altogether, but there wasn&#039;t a phone number.

oss wipe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should sue Facebook for spamming.  I never asked Facebook to help someone who just happened to have my email to send me email.  It&#8217;s so frigging annoying.  I tried to contact Facebook by phone to get them to remove my email altogether, but there wasn&#8217;t a phone number.</p>
<p>oss wipe.</p>
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		<title>By: Victorie impotriva spamerilor, dar degeaba &#124; Bag tare în blogosfera românească</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2545943</link>
		<dc:creator>Victorie impotriva spamerilor, dar degeaba &#124; Bag tare în blogosfera românească</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TechCrunch, reteaua sociala Facebook a castigat procesul impotriva unor spameri, proces in valoare de 873 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also hate spam, but in China, there are some different thought among generation gaps toward to spam,</description>
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		<title>By: declare bankruptcy?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2545834</link>
		<dc:creator>declare bankruptcy?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spammers can do nothing but to declare bankruptcy.. US govt. should bail them out!</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2545759</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how can we block facebook from spamming my inbox to sign up?</description>
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		<title>By: Forsaken</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2545624</link>
		<dc:creator>Forsaken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, so those millions are just fairy tales? 

What is the need for the court case when the outcome (I mean the non payments) was determined before hand....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, so those millions are just fairy tales? </p>
<p>What is the need for the court case when the outcome (I mean the non payments) was determined before hand&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: alexb</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2545600</link>
		<dc:creator>alexb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mailbox FAIL</description>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should have just banned them from using the internet.  That would have been awesome.</description>
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		<title>By: TravisV</title>
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		<dc:creator>TravisV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Facebook users send invites to Facebook non-users, how is that not spam?</description>
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		<title>By: Facebook ganha julgamento de US$873 milhões contra spammers &#124; Inside Techno</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2545530</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook ganha julgamento de US$873 milhões contra spammers &#124; Inside Techno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TechCrunch] Leia também:Facebook ganha versão em portuguêsFacebook investe 100 milhões de dólares em [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Basil</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2545493</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Basil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commented over on the WB article, but it seems the same &quot;judgement&quot; is being portrayed here, so a rare copy/paste


I am not a lawyer, and US law is sometimes (at least for me) a confusing enigma, or at least the way it is portrayed.

It is my understanding that this was a default judgement, which seems to be just a way for the courts to tie up assets, with the total set high enough to tie up everything possible.

I would be horrified if this was a &quot;real&quot; judgement, as CAN-SPAM in relationship to social network communication is very much untested water.

Just a few examples...

1. Facebook just forced me to log into my account to change mail preferences
2. What is the real material difference between phishing, and asking people for their Gmail password to scrape their contacts to send out viral invites?
3. Emails from Facebook have no address details at all
4. If Facebook claim that the defendants didn&#039;t provide a one click opt-out mechanism, yet they were using Facebook, then does that mean there is a prooblem with the Facebook interface? Is a wall post a &quot;message&quot; where every user has to have a chance to opt out from viewing wall posts of that user (the poster)?

Extrapolate it out further, and how does this have an effect on blog comment spam that ends up in the email box of subscribers. Who is then liable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commented over on the WB article, but it seems the same &#8220;judgement&#8221; is being portrayed here, so a rare copy/paste</p>
<p>I am not a lawyer, and US law is sometimes (at least for me) a confusing enigma, or at least the way it is portrayed.</p>
<p>It is my understanding that this was a default judgement, which seems to be just a way for the courts to tie up assets, with the total set high enough to tie up everything possible.</p>
<p>I would be horrified if this was a &#8220;real&#8221; judgement, as CAN-SPAM in relationship to social network communication is very much untested water.</p>
<p>Just a few examples&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Facebook just forced me to log into my account to change mail preferences<br />
2. What is the real material difference between phishing, and asking people for their Gmail password to scrape their contacts to send out viral invites?<br />
3. Emails from Facebook have no address details at all<br />
4. If Facebook claim that the defendants didn&#8217;t provide a one click opt-out mechanism, yet they were using Facebook, then does that mean there is a prooblem with the Facebook interface? Is a wall post a &#8220;message&#8221; where every user has to have a chance to opt out from viewing wall posts of that user (the poster)?</p>
<p>Extrapolate it out further, and how does this have an effect on blog comment spam that ends up in the email box of subscribers. Who is then liable?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2545479</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please forward the request from &quot;Dr Okon&quot; to the stupid &quot;locator&quot; spammer...</description>
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		<title>By: Cure Dream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cure Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speak for yourself.

I find being spammed by my &#039;friends&#039; on facebook to be completely intolerable.  It&#039;s absurd to get spam messages from people I knew 20 years ago advertising entirely pointless facebook apps.

If I got banned from Facebook,  I&#039;d be glad,  not sad.  The only thing that Facebook is good for is 5 cent/1000 advertisements to scam the chumps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speak for yourself.</p>
<p>I find being spammed by my &#8216;friends&#8217; on facebook to be completely intolerable.  It&#8217;s absurd to get spam messages from people I knew 20 years ago advertising entirely pointless facebook apps.</p>
<p>If I got banned from Facebook,  I&#8217;d be glad,  not sad.  The only thing that Facebook is good for is 5 cent/1000 advertisements to scam the chumps.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$873 Million!  If only the spammer had the luck that I have - I have been contacted by DR CLEMENT OKON WHO IS TOP GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL AND IS SEEKING ASSISTANCE TO TRANSFER FUNDS FLOATING IN THE CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA READY FOR PAYMENT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$873 Million!  If only the spammer had the luck that I have &#8211; I have been contacted by DR CLEMENT OKON WHO IS TOP GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL AND IS SEEKING ASSISTANCE TO TRANSFER FUNDS FLOATING IN THE CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA READY FOR PAYMENT.</p>
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		<title>By: silicon valley dropout</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2545432</link>
		<dc:creator>silicon valley dropout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pot calling the kettle black</description>
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		<title>By: Jason@tinycomb.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2545421</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason@tinycomb.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just give him the Guillotine!</description>
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		<title>By: Raskin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mailboxlocator.com? That doesn&#039;t even make sense! And postallocator.com is equally useless, since usps.gov has a postal locator on the front page. Go away, locator-domain man. Go far, far away...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mailboxlocator.com? That doesn&#8217;t even make sense! And postallocator.com is equally useless, since usps.gov has a postal locator on the front page. Go away, locator-domain man. Go far, far away&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook Spammer Awarded The Death Penalty : tinyComb</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/facebook-wins-an-873-million-judgment-against-spammers-that-it-will-never-collect/comment-page-1/#comment-2545415</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook Spammer Awarded The Death Penalty : tinyComb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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