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	<title>Comments on: CafePress Raises Another $8.3 Million From Sequoia (Update: Maybe Not)</title>
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		<title>By: Linkin Mall</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2814484</link>
		<dc:creator>Linkin Mall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently CafePress began competing with the artists for whom it acts as printer and shipper.

CafePress rents web shops to its artists. The artist creates a website page and manually loads the desired blank products. The artist imports his image onto each product, arranges the products on the page, describes the products, titles the products and tags the images.

Initially, the artist would set a markup and received the markup for each product sold.

However, recently CafePress began competing with its artists, using the artists&#039; own images. CafePress created a marketplace where a customer can search a keyword. That search brings up artist products. When the customer buys from the marketplace CafePress pays the artist 10% of the price CafePress set. Both the customer and the artist lose money. If the artist&#039;s shop sells a t-shirt for $21, the artist makes $3.01. If the marketplace sells the same shirt for $25, the artist gets $2.50. The customer pays $4 more, and the artist gets $0.51 less. 

CafePress tells artists to &quot;promote your own shop,&quot; but CafePress buys Google adwords using the very image tags the artist provided.

CafePress justifies this bait and switch of service terms by telling artists they can opt out if they don&#039;t like the new terms; however, many have spent as much as 7 or 8 years creating as much as 88000 images.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently CafePress began competing with the artists for whom it acts as printer and shipper.</p>
<p>CafePress rents web shops to its artists. The artist creates a website page and manually loads the desired blank products. The artist imports his image onto each product, arranges the products on the page, describes the products, titles the products and tags the images.</p>
<p>Initially, the artist would set a markup and received the markup for each product sold.</p>
<p>However, recently CafePress began competing with its artists, using the artists&#8217; own images. CafePress created a marketplace where a customer can search a keyword. That search brings up artist products. When the customer buys from the marketplace CafePress pays the artist 10% of the price CafePress set. Both the customer and the artist lose money. If the artist&#8217;s shop sells a t-shirt for $21, the artist makes $3.01. If the marketplace sells the same shirt for $25, the artist gets $2.50. The customer pays $4 more, and the artist gets $0.51 less. </p>
<p>CafePress tells artists to &#8220;promote your own shop,&#8221; but CafePress buys Google adwords using the very image tags the artist provided.</p>
<p>CafePress justifies this bait and switch of service terms by telling artists they can opt out if they don&#8217;t like the new terms; however, many have spent as much as 7 or 8 years creating as much as 88000 images.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2619458</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice title!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice title!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2547136</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does TC ever check before publishing, or publishing is more important then getting things right?? that is good journalism for you..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does TC ever check before publishing, or publishing is more important then getting things right?? that is good journalism for you..</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2546562</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great journalism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great journalism!</p>
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		<title>By: Zazzle on Vapors</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2546435</link>
		<dc:creator>Zazzle on Vapors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s okay... due diligence and fact checking just get in the way, Robin. Don&#039;t sweat accuracy - it&#039;s overrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s okay&#8230; due diligence and fact checking just get in the way, Robin. Don&#8217;t sweat accuracy &#8211; it&#8217;s overrated.</p>
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		<title>By: KickApps Actually Raises $14 Million In Series C Round &#124; American News World - News And Technology</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2546338</link>
		<dc:creator>KickApps Actually Raises $14 Million In Series C Round &#124; American News World - News And Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] based on an old Reg. D filing at the SEC, wasn&#8217;t exactly precise. It wasn&#8217;t exactly wrong [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] based on an old Reg. D filing at the SEC, wasn&#8217;t exactly precise. It wasn&#8217;t exactly wrong [...]</p>
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		<title>By: KickApps Actually Raises $14 Million In A Series B</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2546315</link>
		<dc:creator>KickApps Actually Raises $14 Million In A Series B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] based on an old Reg. D filing at the SEC, wasn&#8217;t exactly precise. It wasn&#8217;t exactly wrong [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] based on an old Reg. D filing at the SEC, wasn&#8217;t exactly precise. It wasn&#8217;t exactly wrong [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Primack</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2546267</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Primack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lengthy explanation of what happened w/ the peHUB CafePress item, and Reg D filings in general: 

http://www.pehub.com/24554/the-end-of/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lengthy explanation of what happened w/ the peHUB CafePress item, and Reg D filings in general: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.pehub.com/24554/the-end-of/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.pehub.com/24554/the-end-of/'>http://www.pehu...554/the-end-of/</a></p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="571872717">Robin Wauters</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2546019</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="571872717">Robin Wauters</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post updated, my bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post updated, my bad.</p>
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		<title>By: /b/</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545890</link>
		<dc:creator>/b/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.sec.gov/answers/publicdocs.htm

Is that how you request these documents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.sec.gov/answers/publicdocs.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.sec.gov/answers/publicdocs.htm'>http://www.sec..../publicdocs.htm</a></p>
<p>Is that how you request these documents?</p>
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		<title>By: No New Venture Capital For CafePress &#124; POD For You!</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545840</link>
		<dc:creator>No New Venture Capital For CafePress &#124; POD For You!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] funding from Sequoia Capital since our series B funding in 2005. We have been in contact with TechCrunch and they have since posted an update to the original [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] funding from Sequoia Capital since our series B funding in 2005. We have been in contact with TechCrunch and they have since posted an update to the original [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dfsdf</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545827</link>
		<dc:creator>dfsdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Glass</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Glass</p>
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		<title>By: huh</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545825</link>
		<dc:creator>huh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=30179#comment-2545825</guid>
		<description>He&#039;s the new Stephen Glass?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s the new Stephen Glass?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545782</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guessing it&#039;s one of the paper varieties, not easily available online. Reg D are apparently the VC filings:
http://www.404.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1117733/999999999708045929/9999999997-08-045929.txt

And here:
http://www.pehub.com/24454/vc-deal-scoop-kickapps-cafepress-nabbr-more/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guessing it&#8217;s one of the paper varieties, not easily available online. Reg D are apparently the VC filings:<br />
<a href="http://www.404.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1117733/999999999708045929/9999999997-08-045929.txt" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.404.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1117733/999999999708045929/9999999997-08-045929.txt'>http://www.404....7-08-045929.txt</a></p>
<p>And here:<br />
<a href="http://www.pehub.com/24454/vc-deal-scoop-kickapps-cafepress-nabbr-more/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.pehub.com/24454/vc-deal-scoop-kickapps-cafepress-nabbr-more/'>http://www.pehu...ess-nabbr-more/</a></p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545779</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there&#039;s a regulatory filing, you could at least point to or quote from it? I think you have more of an obligation to correct or confirm your story beyond a snarky headline and a one line refutal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there&#8217;s a regulatory filing, you could at least point to or quote from it? I think you have more of an obligation to correct or confirm your story beyond a snarky headline and a one line refutal.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Goram</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545772</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Goram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robyn,
where is the link to the alleged SEC filing? 

Forgive me for being cynical, but it seems that many of your posts since you came on board at TC seem to be based on either conjecture or statements that you claim are fact, but you don&#039;t post any of the details. These posts seem to be &quot;negative&quot; spin as well... 

Do you have a chip on your shoulder? If not, then please &quot;just the facts ma&#039;n&quot;

appreciated,
Evan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robyn,<br />
where is the link to the alleged SEC filing? </p>
<p>Forgive me for being cynical, but it seems that many of your posts since you came on board at TC seem to be based on either conjecture or statements that you claim are fact, but you don&#8217;t post any of the details. These posts seem to be &#8220;negative&#8221; spin as well&#8230; </p>
<p>Do you have a chip on your shoulder? If not, then please &#8220;just the facts ma&#8217;n&#8221;</p>
<p>appreciated,<br />
Evan</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Durham</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545756</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Durham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We raised money from Sequoia? How come nobody told me?

Seriously, CafePress did not raise any venture capital, nor have we received funding from Sequoia Capital since our series B funding in 2005.  

But thanks for all the kind words! Gotta go back to work stitching shirts for those that have lost theirs recently.

-Fred, CEO CafePress</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We raised money from Sequoia? How come nobody told me?</p>
<p>Seriously, CafePress did not raise any venture capital, nor have we received funding from Sequoia Capital since our series B funding in 2005.  </p>
<p>But thanks for all the kind words! Gotta go back to work stitching shirts for those that have lost theirs recently.</p>
<p>-Fred, CEO CafePress</p>
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		<title>By: Sequoia Loves The UG Product Space, Chucks $8.3M Into The CafePress Furnace : tinyComb</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545750</link>
		<dc:creator>Sequoia Loves The UG Product Space, Chucks $8.3M Into The CafePress Furnace : tinyComb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TC   November 24, 2008 &#124; jason &#124; consumer retail, funding, venture capital&#160; &#124; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason@tinycomb.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545747</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason@tinycomb.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly. Sequoia loved telling everyone the good times are over. You think they&#039;ll give us another slideshow when things start picking up? Probably not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly. Sequoia loved telling everyone the good times are over. You think they&#8217;ll give us another slideshow when things start picking up? Probably not.</p>
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		<title>By: CafePress、Sequoiaからさらに$8.3M調達</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545739</link>
		<dc:creator>CafePress、Sequoiaからさらに$8.3M調達</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: anyone</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545719</link>
		<dc:creator>anyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CafePress has impressive, conservative management who kills zazzle every time.  watching zazzle do business is like watching a customization incubator, with 30 small, failing business struggling rather than one real business.

Focus, danielson.  focus.

most of us in on-demand expect to see a gutted zazzle in the next six months.  sloppy and overfunded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CafePress has impressive, conservative management who kills zazzle every time.  watching zazzle do business is like watching a customization incubator, with 30 small, failing business struggling rather than one real business.</p>
<p>Focus, danielson.  focus.</p>
<p>most of us in on-demand expect to see a gutted zazzle in the next six months.  sloppy and overfunded.</p>
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		<title>By: WildZBill</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545698</link>
		<dc:creator>WildZBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like the current economic trend would cause more people to design products at the site (hoping to earn a few bucks), and fewer people would buy them.
This would create a need for more resources with less income.
CafePress has also been offering a lot of discounts to the designers lately, trying to stimulate business.

And why not add a few new products to the stream? Perhaps new American made cars with custom paint jobs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like the current economic trend would cause more people to design products at the site (hoping to earn a few bucks), and fewer people would buy them.<br />
This would create a need for more resources with less income.<br />
CafePress has also been offering a lot of discounts to the designers lately, trying to stimulate business.</p>
<p>And why not add a few new products to the stream? Perhaps new American made cars with custom paint jobs?</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="571872717">Robin Wauters</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545690</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="571872717">Robin Wauters</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one.</description>
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		<title>By: Mogilny</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545687</link>
		<dc:creator>Mogilny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With so many people &#039;losing their shirts&#039;, business should swell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With so many people &#8216;losing their shirts&#8217;, business should swell.</p>
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		<title>By: silicon valley dropout</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/24/cafepress-raises-another-83-million-from-sequoia/comment-page-1/#comment-2545684</link>
		<dc:creator>silicon valley dropout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what happen to the doomsday speech about conserving funds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what happen to the doomsday speech about conserving funds</p>
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