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		<title>By: Social Media Is Enabling A Digital Renaissance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Media Is Enabling A Digital Renaissance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Social Media Is Enabling A Digital Renaissance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Media Is Enabling A Digital Renaissance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Uri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I predict another law suit by red hat :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict another law suit by red hat <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. I predict that 8tracks will be sued both by the RIAA for vicarious/contributory copyright infringement and by Fedora Project for trademark infringement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. I predict that 8tracks will be sued both by the RIAA for vicarious/contributory copyright infringement and by Fedora Project for trademark infringement.</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; 8tracks：伸び続ける「合法的Muxtape」</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; 8tracks：伸び続ける「合法的Muxtape」</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Me,

This is a good point.  The &quot;large webcaster&quot; rate for radio-style streaming of a sound recording (which covers Pandora, Last.fm, Live365, Finetune, AOL, Yahoo and eventually 8tracks, among others) is onerous, nearly double the already-expensive rate of $0.00762 from a couple of years ago, and is slated to increase even further next year.

Given an average track length of 4 min, the current rate of $0.0014 translates to 2.1 cents per hour, thus requiring a $21 CPM from some combination of text, display, audio and video ads during the course of that hour just to cover the sound recording royalty.  However, this doesn&#039;t even consider royalties paid for musical composition, bandwidth, overhead and, well, profit.

What&#039;s really needed is some reasonable %-of-revenue rate (subject to a minimum, perhaps on an annual basis); this is common to all other forms of radio (i.e. satellite, cable and terrestrial outside of the US) and the other basic type of royalties paid for radio (musical composition).

In contrast, however, the sound recording royalty rates paid for on-demand services like Rhapsody, Napster, imeem, Lala, Myspace Music and Last.fm&#039;s new service are rumored to be between $0.0050 and $0.0100 – that is, some 3.5X to 7X what Pandora and other webcasters currently have to pay.

I think that promotional, radio-style services will be viable (and beneficial for all parties) under a primarily ad-based model if there&#039;s a change in the basic rate structure to a %-of-revenue calculation, even if not cheap on that basis by historical standards or comps.  I&#039;m skeptical that substitutional, on-demand services have much hope of profitability under a primarily ad-based model.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Me,</p>
<p>This is a good point.  The &#8220;large webcaster&#8221; rate for radio-style streaming of a sound recording (which covers Pandora, Last.fm, Live365, Finetune, AOL, Yahoo and eventually 8tracks, among others) is onerous, nearly double the already-expensive rate of $0.00762 from a couple of years ago, and is slated to increase even further next year.</p>
<p>Given an average track length of 4 min, the current rate of $0.0014 translates to 2.1 cents per hour, thus requiring a $21 CPM from some combination of text, display, audio and video ads during the course of that hour just to cover the sound recording royalty.  However, this doesn&#8217;t even consider royalties paid for musical composition, bandwidth, overhead and, well, profit.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s really needed is some reasonable %-of-revenue rate (subject to a minimum, perhaps on an annual basis); this is common to all other forms of radio (i.e. satellite, cable and terrestrial outside of the US) and the other basic type of royalties paid for radio (musical composition).</p>
<p>In contrast, however, the sound recording royalty rates paid for on-demand services like Rhapsody, Napster, imeem, Lala, Myspace Music and Last.fm&#8217;s new service are rumored to be between $0.0050 and $0.0100 – that is, some 3.5X to 7X what Pandora and other webcasters currently have to pay.</p>
<p>I think that promotional, radio-style services will be viable (and beneficial for all parties) under a primarily ad-based model if there&#8217;s a change in the basic rate structure to a %-of-revenue calculation, even if not cheap on that basis by historical standards or comps.  I&#8217;m skeptical that substitutional, on-demand services have much hope of profitability under a primarily ad-based model.</p>
<p>David Porter</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone seems to forget that even though 8tracks is covered under the DMCA radio rates, these are the same rates that are threatening to put everyone else (e.g. Pandora) out of business.  I applaud that they are a legal alternative, but it still doesn&#039;t mean it has a viable business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone seems to forget that even though 8tracks is covered under the DMCA radio rates, these are the same rates that are threatening to put everyone else (e.g. Pandora) out of business.  I applaud that they are a legal alternative, but it still doesn&#8217;t mean it has a viable business model.</p>
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		<title>By: Remi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, just looking at the Grooveshark embed, their problem is going to be that they&#039;re offering on-demand streaming which is a headache in terms of licensing. If they don&#039;t license the content though, they can be shut down whenever the RIAA wants them to.
That&#039;s the advantage of 8tracks which is very careful to stay legal http://8tracks.com/legal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, just looking at the Grooveshark embed, their problem is going to be that they&#8217;re offering on-demand streaming which is a headache in terms of licensing. If they don&#8217;t license the content though, they can be shut down whenever the RIAA wants them to.<br />
That&#8217;s the advantage of 8tracks which is very careful to stay legal <a href="http://8tracks.com/legal" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://8tracks.com/legal'>http://8tracks.com/legal</a></p>
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		<title>By: 8Tracks= FavTape + GrooveShark + OpenTape + MuxTape + RIAA : tinyComb</title>
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		<dc:creator>8Tracks= FavTape + GrooveShark + OpenTape + MuxTape + RIAA : tinyComb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 8Tracks= FavTape + GrooveShark + OpenTape + MuxTape + RIAA : tinyComb</title>
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		<dc:creator>8Tracks= FavTape + GrooveShark + OpenTape + MuxTape + RIAA : tinyComb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jason@tinyComb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason@tinyComb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Grooveshark&#039;s playlist launch yesterday? 

http://tinycomb.com/2008/10/26/grooveshark-goes-muxtape-on-us-with-embeddableemailable-playlists/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Grooveshark&#8217;s playlist launch yesterday? </p>
<p><a href="http://tinycomb.com/2008/10/26/grooveshark-goes-muxtape-on-us-with-embeddableemailable-playlists/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://tinycomb.com/2008/10/26/grooveshark-goes-muxtape-on-us-with-embeddableemailable-playlists/'>http://tinycomb...able-playlists/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Web2.0 Chick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web2.0 Chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.. it&#039;s smart of 8tracks to be leveraging on DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act). They can can stream any music they want as long as they pay a royalty</description>
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