Comments on: The Record Industry’s Digital Distribution Plan (TotalMusic) Comes Back From the Dead http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/ Startup and Technology News Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:21:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: The Record Industry’s TotalMusic Experiment Is Sinking Fast http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2620048 The Record Industry’s TotalMusic Experiment Is Sinking Fast Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:22:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2620048 [...] last summer, the company came back from the dead. The second new model was meant to serve as a departure from the way music has [...] [...] last summer, the company came back from the dead. The second new model was meant to serve as a departure from the way music has [...]

]]> By: Confirmed: TotalMusic Is Dead | Sydney Web Design http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2619621 Confirmed: TotalMusic Is Dead | Sydney Web Design Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:13:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2619621 [...] the record companies band together again once the economy settles down. After all, TotalMusic has come back from the dead [...] [...] the record companies band together again once the economy settles down. After all, TotalMusic has come back from the dead [...]

]]> By: Confirmed: TotalMusic Is Dead http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2619245 Confirmed: TotalMusic Is Dead Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:20:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2619245 [...] the record companies band together again once the economy settles down. After all, TotalMusic has come back from the dead [...] [...] the record companies band together again once the economy settles down. After all, TotalMusic has come back from the dead [...]

]]> By: The TotalMusic Experiment Is Sinking Fast http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2619016 The TotalMusic Experiment Is Sinking Fast Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:44:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2619016 [...] last summer, the company came back from the dead. The second new model was meant to serve as a departure from the way music has [...] [...] last summer, the company came back from the dead. The second new model was meant to serve as a departure from the way music has [...]

]]> By: The TotalMusic Experiment Is Sinking Fast | All about MICROSOFT http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2618998 The TotalMusic Experiment Is Sinking Fast | All about MICROSOFT Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:20:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2618998 [...] last summer, the company came back from the dead. The second new model was meant to serve as a departure from the way music has [...] [...] last summer, the company came back from the dead. The second new model was meant to serve as a departure from the way music has [...]

]]> By: How Warner Music Killed Facebook Music | OntoreBangladesh http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2595753 How Warner Music Killed Facebook Music | OntoreBangladesh Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:55:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2595753 [...] bring free streaming music from three of the four big labels (Universal, Sony, EMI) through the Total Music joint venture. But the deal stalled when the lone holdout, Warner Music, refused to participate. [...] [...] bring free streaming music from three of the four big labels (Universal, Sony, EMI) through the Total Music joint venture. But the deal stalled when the lone holdout, Warner Music, refused to participate. [...]

]]> By: eMediaOne » Blog Archive » How Warner Music Killed Facebook Music http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2594616 eMediaOne » Blog Archive » How Warner Music Killed Facebook Music Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:37:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2594616 [...] bring free streaming music from three of the four big labels (Universal, Sony, EMI) through the Total Music joint venture. But the deal stalled when the lone holdout, Warner Music, refused to [...] [...] bring free streaming music from three of the four big labels (Universal, Sony, EMI) through the Total Music joint venture. But the deal stalled when the lone holdout, Warner Music, refused to [...]

]]> By: How Warner Music Killed Facebook Music http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2594538 How Warner Music Killed Facebook Music Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:24:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2594538 [...] bring free streaming music from three of the four big labels (Universal, Sony, EMI) through the Total Music joint venture. But the deal stalled when the lone holdout, Warner Music, refused to [...] [...] bring free streaming music from three of the four big labels (Universal, Sony, EMI) through the Total Music joint venture. But the deal stalled when the lone holdout, Warner Music, refused to [...]

]]> By: Topspin » Oktoberfest http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2492537 Topspin » Oktoberfest Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:02:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2492537 [...] and now just needs the licenses (and Universal and others are apparently rolling their own with TotalMusic instead of licensing the iMeem APIs for 3rd parties — I don’t have any inside info [...] [...] and now just needs the licenses (and Universal and others are apparently rolling their own with TotalMusic instead of licensing the iMeem APIs for 3rd parties — I don’t have any inside info [...]

]]> By: SG http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2477061 SG Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:53:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2477061 The music business is having a hard time evolving that it is eminent. This news of Myspace Music getting the big labels to coinvest in it brings a new justification to them to change the old models. Streaming with add supported model and premium (no-ad) model will coexist. Some will pay a flat (or tiered pricing to listen to music without any ads) and others won't mind some ads in the middle. Interesting enough the music streaming startups get sued by the labels and the ones that have the guts to stand up and defend the business model end up convincing the labels to cut a deal with them. (So also end up getting investment dollars from them). This the VC's don't get this and run away when they hear streaming music business. If they had good understanding of business they would understand that the good ones build the business and the flaky ones disappear. This is great news for us bravehearts who are working on this direction of building genuine music evangelicalism by bringing in technological innovation to this space. Great job Pandora, IMEEM, Last.fm, Myspace and the business 'yours truely' is building. Thx sganguly@yahoo.com The music business is having a hard time evolving that it is eminent. This news of Myspace Music getting the big labels to coinvest in it brings a new justification to them to change the old models.
Streaming with add supported model and premium (no-ad) model will coexist. Some will pay a flat (or tiered pricing to listen to music without any ads) and others won’t mind some ads in the middle.
Interesting enough the music streaming startups get sued by the labels and the ones that have the guts to stand up and defend the business model end up convincing the labels to cut a deal with them. (So also end up getting investment dollars from them).
This the VC’s don’t get this and run away when they hear streaming music business. If they had good understanding of business they would understand that the good ones build the business and the flaky ones disappear.
This is great news for us bravehearts who are working on this direction of building genuine music evangelicalism by bringing in technological innovation to this space.
Great job Pandora, IMEEM, Last.fm, Myspace and the business ‘yours truely’ is building.

Thx
sganguly@yahoo.com

]]> By: Is MySpace Music An Antitrust Lawsuit Waiting To Happen? » The Scripts Zone http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2476672 Is MySpace Music An Antitrust Lawsuit Waiting To Happen? » The Scripts Zone Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:26:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2476672 [...] pricing, collusion, and price discrimination. (The music industry’s own hush-hush TotalMusic project could run into the same [...] [...] pricing, collusion, and price discrimination. (The music industry’s own hush-hush TotalMusic project could run into the same [...]

]]> By: Royalty Free Music Blog | Music Production Elements | Micro Music Stock » The Records labels are mad and trying to get back…Too little too late? http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2436421 Royalty Free Music Blog | Music Production Elements | Micro Music Stock » The Records labels are mad and trying to get back…Too little too late? Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:43:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2436421 [...] read about how the record labels are trying to bring to market an advertising based streaming music service .   It seems that the advertising based content model just won’t die.  What a total racket [...] [...] read about how the record labels are trying to bring to market an advertising based streaming music service .   It seems that the advertising based content model just won’t die.  What a total racket [...]

]]> By: Gmagnate http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2433193 Gmagnate Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:05:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2433193 Great post, However, The KEY thing ALWAYS missed in these discussions is around who owns the rights. Rights are limited by territory, term and use. With the RARE exception of a 360 deal like PSD, the rights to different aspects of the brand (recording, publishing, touring, merchandise, management etc.) are owned and or controlled by entirely different and competing entities many of whom HATE each other and can only see as far as their own interest in the brand. Managers, who some will argue have the MOST influence and control are often the LEAST web savvy and as a result there is little "brand" management from a central internal perspective. The Future of the Industry cannot be in a "Total Music" Reagan era Star Wars like defensive strategy that treats all music like a commodity in the hopes of upselling the fan to purchase other brand related assets from someone ELSE, but rather a direct to consumer offensive strategy that allows for these "competing" entities to cross-manage their brand assets while benefiting from the overall brand strategy put together by management and the Artist themselves. You know...the one that GIVES all of their rights away in the first place. G Great post,
However,
The KEY thing ALWAYS missed in these discussions is around who owns the rights. Rights are limited by territory, term and use.

With the RARE exception of a 360 deal like PSD, the rights to different aspects of the brand (recording, publishing, touring, merchandise, management etc.) are owned and or controlled by entirely different and competing entities many of whom HATE each other and can only see as far as their own interest in the brand.

Managers, who some will argue have the MOST influence and control are often the LEAST web savvy and as a result there is little “brand” management from a central internal perspective. The Future of the Industry cannot be in a “Total Music” Reagan era Star Wars like defensive strategy that treats all music like a commodity in the hopes of upselling the fan to purchase other brand related assets from someone ELSE, but rather a direct to consumer offensive strategy that allows for these “competing” entities to cross-manage their brand assets while benefiting from the overall brand strategy put together by management and the Artist themselves. You know…the one that GIVES all of their rights away in the first place.

G

]]> By: Gmagnate http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2433192 Gmagnate Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:02:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2433192 The KEY thing ALWAYS missed in these discussions is that rights are limited by territory, term and use. With the RARE exception of a 360 deal like PSD, the rights to different aspects of the brand (recording, publishing, touring, merchandise, management etc.) are owned and or controlled by entirely different and competing entities many of whom HATE each other and can only see as far as their own interest in the brand. Managers, who some will argue have the MOST influence and control are often the LEAST web savvy and as a result there is little "brand" management from a central internal perspective. The Future of the Industry cannot be in a "Total Music" Reagan era Star Wars like defensive strategy that treats all music like a commodity in the hopes of upselling the fan to purchase other brand related assets from someone ELSE, but rather a direct to consumer offensive strategy that allows for these "competing" entities to cross-manage their brand assets while benefiting from the overall brand strategy put together by management and the Artist themselves. You know...the one that GIVES all of their rights away in the first place. G The KEY thing ALWAYS missed in these discussions is that rights are limited by territory, term and use. With the RARE exception of a 360 deal like PSD, the rights to different aspects of the brand (recording, publishing, touring, merchandise, management etc.) are owned and or controlled by entirely different and competing entities many of whom HATE each other and can only see as far as their own interest in the brand.

Managers, who some will argue have the MOST influence and control are often the LEAST web savvy and as a result there is little “brand” management from a central internal perspective. The Future of the Industry cannot be in a “Total Music” Reagan era Star Wars like defensive strategy that treats all music like a commodity in the hopes of upselling the fan to purchase other brand related assets from someone ELSE, but rather a direct to consumer offensive strategy that allows for these “competing” entities to cross-manage their brand assets while benefiting from the overall brand strategy put together by management and the Artist themselves. You know…the one that GIVES all of their rights away in the first place.

G

]]> By: sirkitree http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2432287 sirkitree Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:57:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2432287 I guess you guys haven't seen that THEY ARE streaming their tracks for free. Over 100,000 track streaming for free on myplay.com. Check this out! http://myplay.com/audio_player/myplay/91/270341/283761?allowBrowsing=1 I guess you guys haven’t seen that THEY ARE streaming their tracks for free. Over 100,000 track streaming for free on myplay.com. Check this out!
http://myplay.com/audio_player.....Browsing=1

]]> By: ONLINE SERVICES/INTERACTIVE MEDIA « Daily Marauder http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2432280 ONLINE SERVICES/INTERACTIVE MEDIA « Daily Marauder Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:45:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2432280 [...] by Roxio, and formed the basis for the current version of Napster). Both were utter failures. (http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes... [...] [...] by Roxio, and formed the basis for the current version of Napster). Both were utter failures. (http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes… [...]

]]> By: TotalMusic: o zombie da indústria discográfica ataca outra vez | Remixtures http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2432238 TotalMusic: o zombie da indústria discográfica ataca outra vez | Remixtures Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:44:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2432238 [...] como “marca branca” a outros sites, de acordo com o que fontes próximas afirmaram ao TechCrunch e ao Aliado Digital. O serviço deverá incluir links directos para comprar o download digital da [...] [...] como “marca branca” a outros sites, de acordo com o que fontes próximas afirmaram ao TechCrunch e ao Aliado Digital. O serviço deverá incluir links directos para comprar o download digital da [...]

]]> By: Marco Almondine http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2432225 Marco Almondine Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:26:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2432225 Where is the flat rate, all you can listen from any device you can authenticate, infinite library business model. Pandora where you can control every song if you want to, or let it play music to your taste on autopilot. Free with ads and a reasonable fee for no ads. I'd pay at least $10/month for that, maybe $30, which is a hell of a lot more than I've spent on music since 1999. Meanwhile it doesn't matter what else the labels build. Any attempt to regain dictatorial control over distribution and pricing is a waste of time. Every album of any popularity is available on BitTorrent and can be downloaded in under ten minutes. What we need is a service that's worth paying for because it's actually a better experience than file sharing. Where is the flat rate, all you can listen from any device you can authenticate, infinite library business model. Pandora where you can control every song if you want to, or let it play music to your taste on autopilot. Free with ads and a reasonable fee for no ads.

I’d pay at least $10/month for that, maybe $30, which is a hell of a lot more than I’ve spent on music since 1999.

Meanwhile it doesn’t matter what else the labels build. Any attempt to regain dictatorial control over distribution and pricing is a waste of time. Every album of any popularity is available on BitTorrent and can be downloaded in under ten minutes. What we need is a service that’s worth paying for because it’s actually a better experience than file sharing.

]]> By: Jonathan Coffman http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2432155 Jonathan Coffman Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:49:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2432155 I think ad supported anything is a bad idea at this point. Where's the next model? I bought Tivo for a reason, no ads. I paid for a Pandora subscription for a reason, no ads. And yes, I still subscribe to the idea that I want to own music, not rent it. Streaming doesn't appeal to me. I think ad supported anything is a bad idea at this point. Where’s the next model?

I bought Tivo for a reason, no ads. I paid for a Pandora subscription for a reason, no ads.

And yes, I still subscribe to the idea that I want to own music, not rent it. Streaming doesn’t appeal to me.

]]> By: Gary Gnu http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2432061 Gary Gnu Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:13:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2432061 in order for a music service to work, the indie labels would have to be on board. they are wary of the majors and are loathe to jump on board with any major led iniatitive. that said, Total music will fail if the indies don't come on. in order for a music service to work, the indie labels would have to be on board.

they are wary of the majors and are loathe to jump on board with any major led iniatitive.

that said, Total music will fail if the indies don’t come on.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2432042 Glenn Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:51:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2432042 Great post Erick. I put up a post about your story and added a few things about TotalMusic's link to Ruckus. The mailing address on the TotalMusic job posting is the Ruckus mailing address, and the posting's company contact is the HR Director for Ruckus. Great post Erick. I put up a post about your story and added a few things about TotalMusic’s link to Ruckus. The mailing address on the TotalMusic job posting is the Ruckus mailing address, and the posting’s company contact is the HR Director for Ruckus.

]]> By: tom http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2431990 tom Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:14:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2431990 Writer: what a miserably fact-checked story you just published. Imeem's comScore uniques are 1/4 what you reported -- in the 6-7 million range. You use the source comScore irresponsibly and give all bloggers a bad name. To see a real report from someone who has access to accurate comScore, click on the link. http://www.flickr.com/photos/29342870@N05/2743732437/ FACT CHECK. Writer: what a miserably fact-checked story you just published. Imeem’s comScore uniques are 1/4 what you reported — in the 6-7 million range. You use the source comScore irresponsibly and give all bloggers a bad name.

To see a real report from someone who has access to accurate comScore, click on the link. http://www.flickr.com/photos/2.....743732437/

FACT CHECK.

]]> By: Rob http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2431904 Rob Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:56:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2431904 http://www.totalmusic.net/ ? Google? http://www.totalmusic.net/ ? Google?

]]> By: Jake http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2431898 Jake Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:42:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2431898 On the imeem funding front- unless Morgenthaler and Sequoia's repeated investments have only made up $750k, i think your numbers might be very very off... On the imeem funding front- unless Morgenthaler and Sequoia’s repeated investments have only made up $750k, i think your numbers might be very very off…

]]> By: jean philippe Gousse http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/07/the-record-industrys-digital-distribution-plan-totalmusic-comes-back-from-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2431890 jean philippe Gousse Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:24:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/?p=20863#comment-2431890 why don't they buy apple.com to run Itunes store. why don’t they buy apple.com to run Itunes store.

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