Here’s the live stream of our Mobile Web Wars Roundtable, which starts at 3PM PT and ends at 5 PM. The Roundtable is a freewheeling discussion about whether the mobile Web is finally here and which platform will win going forward. While the iPhone seems like a slam dunk right now, can older platforms like Nokia’s Symbian or Windows Mobile replicate its success? Does Apple have anything to fear from Google’s Android? To help answer these questions we have an amazing group of mobile startup CEOs, top iPhone app developers, and other technologists on the RoundTable.
Please add your own comment or questions inside the video player or Twitter them to MobileWars. I will try to incorporate questions from the Web audience in the discussion.
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We are also streaming live via cellphone camera on our Kyte channel:
The participants on the Roundtable are:
David Rivas, Nokia, Vice President of Technology Management for S60 Software
Walt Doyle, CEO Ulocate
Tom Conrad, CTO Pandora
Greg Yardley, CEO of Pinch Media CEO
Bart Decrem, CEO of Tapulous
David Hornik, partner, August Capital
Jed Stremel, Director of Mobile at Facebook (replacing Joe Hewitt)
Guy Ben-Artzi, Founder of Real Dice and CEO of Mytopia
Jason Devitt, CEO of Skydeck
Gannon Hall, CMO of Kyte
Sam Altman, CEO of Loopt
Marc Davis, chief scientists of Yahoo’s mobile group
Omar Hamoui, CEO of AdMob
Richard Wong, partner at Accel
Andreas Weigend, people & data (former chief scientist, Amazon)
Tatsuki Tomita, SVP of Consumer Product, Opera
Mike Rowehl, chief architect, SkyFire
Mary Ann Cotter, CEO, Cooking Capsules
John Faith , GM and VP of Mobile for MySpace
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The stream is going slow….
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I think each of those platforms will have their own fans. However, if only we assume that this MobileWars is similar to what had happened in PCWars, I think that platform that is supported by various manufacturers will rule the game. In this case, I prefer Symbian and Android as the top contestants in this league. Let me repeat it first; in term of quantity, the open platform will always win the game.
While the closed platform (at least till this date) like iPhone SDK or Blackberry OS can only live in their own shadow of its lovers. Though both of them are still enjoying a lot of hype from anywhere right now, sooner or later, people will get bored. As a consequences, people will leave them. Especially for Apple with its iPhone, if what they can only made is something which is always like that; candy bar + touch screen + black or white + slim + 3G + 4G + 5G + XG, then I’m pretty much worry about it’s durability.
Today we love iPhone because it gives us something “new” (branding and marketing strategy). Something which other manufacturers are to late to decide. But when the time has come, when all manufacturers give us the same features as what iPhone had already offered then the story might be change. Still, in the future of course.
Apple’s Macintosh is actually gaining marketshare at the expense of Microsoft’s Windows. So there’s no garuntee that the mobile market will evolve in exactly the same way the PC market did. If you bet against Apple in the mobile space then you’re making a fool’s bet.
I never make a bet here and I won’t. I just predict that in term of quantity, the open platform will always win. Almost all the time. That’s all. Thank you.
That guy yelling was seriously nuts…
Lots of self interest in that round table.
Most people do not have these types of cell phones.
There was no talk of WAP or Adobe device connect for legacy applications. Not much talk of Android either.
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Great show.
What is actually doing nokia for mobile web? Actually thay have the largest market share and I’m sure they will do someting…
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The guy is not crazy. He’s passionate about Nokia the same way Mike is passionate about iPhone.
A lot of interesting information, some misinformation. I like to attend your events because strongly held positions leads to discussion and lively discussion learns to learning….
Keep going in your efforts.
Gregory
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This event was lame. You can summarize the interesting tidbits in 1 min. The rest was the ego macho match. The guy from pandora is such a cocky dork. The stanford prof and the two guys to his left, admob, nokia and yahoo guys seem cool. The rest came across with the need to prove too much.
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Glad to see so much diversity at the table.
what about the BREW platform by Qualcomm?? It’s surely a closed platform but most of Qualcomm’s mobile phone business in the Middle East and Asia uses BREW
As for Symbian, I think it’s a great OS. Personally I would love to see the fusion of Symbian and Andriod. Symbian has a great low level API support and Andriod has good UI. A fusion would definitely mean a tough competition for iphone.
Mike Arrogantington was my fave attendee. Android & iPhone – his brain cannot fit more than 2 names! He kept repeating that iPhone is just 1-year old. In the world, 1 year is the life of a trendy phone and then nobody wants that ancient piece anymore. Oh, I forgot, in the US, they force you to sign a 2-year contract! In the US, they also charge you $0.15/text message and for incoming calls and messages and make you believe your phone is free or very cheap.
Don’t get too excited about location-based services, because I’m sure soon horror stories will start making the news – kidnappings, assaults, rapes, divorces, etc. I’m sure the Big Brother, PIs, crimesters love iPhone! Everybody seems to forget how easily an iPhone got hacked last year and used as a spying device recording and streaming the audio from the mic home. Add pictures and location to that stream and you have the perfect spying device!
Also, advertisers are salivating like never before – they will be able to sell their better targeted ads at higher prices now. But does the consumer care about relevant or irrelevant ads? No, everybody hates ads and the last thing people want are ads on their phones!
Don’t get me wrong, I think iPhone is a great device, it’s changing the game in the US and teaching the greedy US carriers a good lesson, but it’s just an overpriced phone with an overpriced plan outside of the US. Japanese and Korean people are probably laughing at the americans getting so excited about their new toy, when in Japan and Korea they’ve been doing video calls, watching TV, and making secure offline payments with their phones for years.
Android is cool, but having an open-source Symbian now, in addition to OpenMoko, Maemo, and some others… it’s just one of the many. The OS is important to developers, but consumers don’t care, so, let’s see the first Android phones and then rush to put them at #2 after iPhone. Some of the first photos I’ve seen (fake or not) seemed just terrible!
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Hi I am the supposed Crazy Guy. Passion and conviction is sometimes mistaken for insanity
It is not often that I get so animated but some of the statements at the Event were either just plain wrong or so simplistic as to be laughable. In any case, Apple will just be another Walled Garden for developers, albeit a slightly friendler one than Operators.
See Below
Gregory
App Store frustrations bedevil iPhone developers
By Jason Ankeny Comment | Forward
Although iPhone 3G activation problems and MobileMe synchronization issues have attracted the lion’s share of negative publicity, some mobile developers are also reporting problems with Apple’s App Store. According to developers interviewed by Macworld, their frustrations have much to do with the length of time it requires Apple to push their software updates to iPhone users–in addition, some developers cite Apple’s failure to communicate information on when their apps will be published live. Moreover, Apple has yet to provide App Store sales data, so developers are unsure how their iPhone applications are faring–Apple has pledged to share monthly sales reports, but some developers are calling for real-time statistics in order to gauge sales and adjust prices accordingly.
Even Apple’s internal review process remains a mystery: “They reject apps for superficial things (icon being the wrong size, confusingly worded messages) while sometimes major bugs slip in under the radar,” an iPhone developer who requested anonymity told Macworld. “It seems pretty haphazard and human-powered rather than automated.” Nor is there any apparent rhyme or reason to the software update process, although another unnamed developer charged Apple with favoring large companies over small, independent firms.” We submitted an update a week ago, and it still isn’t updated,” the developer said. “Some apps seem to get updated quickly, so some type of favoritism is evident. I’ve seen one day, and then I’ve seen two weeks–no one knows why the disparity, either… It’s either favoritism or just general chaos.”
Android is going to win.
People who bought and signed a contract for an iPhone got screwed for between $1000 and $2000 in a closed garden device and really most people are not getting much use out of it.
Google Android is going to revolutionize all that though. The Michael Arrington app to lookup events and meet other people around your location is going to happen for the first time with Android.
And it is going to solve all the hunger, malnutrition, healthcare, peace, democracy and other such problems.
This 2-hour video is awesome. They could try to provide better sound quality next time though. Sound quality is the most important part of a web video.
Yes, the sound quality was terrible! Also, it would be much more professional to remove the camcorder info from the video.
Well it was awesome that they could film with multiple cameras like that, I don’t mind it looks like a web video, but sound is important. I guess they just hsould have turned up the volume a bit or something and it would have been better.
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Can you allow this video to be downloaded from uStream? I’d like to watch/listen on my mobile. uStream allows this, but the person uploading it has to allow it.
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