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		<title>By: Google &#8216;vs&#8217; Microsoft, Business As Usual &#171; Dynamic Disruption</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google &#8216;vs&#8217; Microsoft, Business As Usual &#171; Dynamic Disruption</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of them are fighting over google trying and being the monopoly In Search Advertising. By the way microsoft wanted to buy off Yahoo few months [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Moe Glitz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2419747</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe Glitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft developed the PC Platform, whilst Apple seem to be developing the Mobile Platform. But so far yet, not one Company has developed the Web Platform, although Google comes close with its hugely successful 'Linked Data' Search Platform.

So there is a tremendous opportunity for Microsoft to develop the perfect Web Platform, but only if they can get together the right team that could execute this vision.
I believe that 'Platform Services' for the Web, as developed by Microsoft could become a big hit for the Redmond Posse. But just as Mike stated, they must totally agree on One Web Brand Name.
With Google, its either Google this or Google that. But with Microsoft its totall confusion. 

Just use your brilliant Windows Brand Name as your major Web Brand, you can even drop the 'Live' version.
Everyone knows the Windows Brand offline, so why not stick with it online. Did Apple change into a Lemon online.

It would be Windows Hotmail, Windows Messenger, Windows Search, Windows Maps, Windows Earth, Windows IE, Windows MSN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft developed the PC Platform, whilst Apple seem to be developing the Mobile Platform. But so far yet, not one Company has developed the Web Platform, although Google comes close with its hugely successful &#8216;Linked Data&#8217; Search Platform.</p>
<p>So there is a tremendous opportunity for Microsoft to develop the perfect Web Platform, but only if they can get together the right team that could execute this vision.<br />
I believe that &#8216;Platform Services&#8217; for the Web, as developed by Microsoft could become a big hit for the Redmond Posse. But just as Mike stated, they must totally agree on One Web Brand Name.<br />
With Google, its either Google this or Google that. But with Microsoft its totall confusion. </p>
<p>Just use your brilliant Windows Brand Name as your major Web Brand, you can even drop the &#8216;Live&#8217; version.<br />
Everyone knows the Windows Brand offline, so why not stick with it online. Did Apple change into a Lemon online.</p>
<p>It would be Windows Hotmail, Windows Messenger, Windows Search, Windows Maps, Windows Earth, Windows IE, Windows MSN.</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Microsoft、ヤフー抜きでは勝てないオンライン戦争に軍備再編成で臨む</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Microsoft、ヤフー抜きでは勝てないオンライン戦争に軍備再編成で臨む</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2419144</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it doesn't make practical sense. But they will do it anyway. It happened when they bought Hotmail; it will happen again.

The server OS division tries to sell servers; customers note that Linux seems to be good enough, even for Microsoft's needs; server division puts pressure on online division to get with the program (literally). When it comes to a fight between a division that makes money and one that doesn't, the money-makers tend to win.

And aside from the marketing value, Microsoft puts great stock in "eating your own dogfood", even when that turns out to be about as attractive as it sounds.

And finally, the top brass at Microsoft seems to be convinced that there is significant risk attached to having its developers work on, or even look at, GPL code. They don't want to be vulnerable to legal claims that they copied GPL code into commercial products. So the lawyers too will be pushing to get rid of all that icky free software ASAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t make practical sense. But they will do it anyway. It happened when they bought Hotmail; it will happen again.</p>
<p>The server OS division tries to sell servers; customers note that Linux seems to be good enough, even for Microsoft&#8217;s needs; server division puts pressure on online division to get with the program (literally). When it comes to a fight between a division that makes money and one that doesn&#8217;t, the money-makers tend to win.</p>
<p>And aside from the marketing value, Microsoft puts great stock in &#8220;eating your own dogfood&#8221;, even when that turns out to be about as attractive as it sounds.</p>
<p>And finally, the top brass at Microsoft seems to be convinced that there is significant risk attached to having its developers work on, or even look at, GPL code. They don&#8217;t want to be vulnerable to legal claims that they copied GPL code into commercial products. So the lawyers too will be pushing to get rid of all that icky free software ASAP.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Law</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2419139</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. If Yahoo already has the right personnel, it would have shown off something that can come close to competing Google already.  It does not.
2. If not, any Microsoft acquisition is really only buying the banner ad unit, which is not necessarily growing faster than text.  Don't tell me Microsoft knows how to run a portal.
3. Microsoft cannot run ANY online property.  Is MSN, Live, hotmail, passport or anything else come close to being number 1?  They do not have the corporate structure to succeed in this field.  (Wanna bet: Facebook will never take another dollar from Microsoft).  Schmidt said Google had one product but many FEATURES.  This is where the competition is.
4. So why spend $40B+ on something that has a shrinking market share and will continue to shrink for sure?  Even Yahoo is thinking to use/already using Google ad services.
5. Yahoo is making money, just not as much as Wall Street likes.  If it totally forgoes search (sorry, Burbank), the cost savings and renewed focus will be better for the whole company.  Don't let (the ego of buying) Overture drag you down.  Yahoo's main problem is each unit not sharing customer data and serve more relevant ad.  Seriously.
6. I think Microsoft is screwed, in the long run.  I agree with the innovation comment above.  It does not seem to innovate (or at least fast enough).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. If Yahoo already has the right personnel, it would have shown off something that can come close to competing Google already.  It does not.<br />
2. If not, any Microsoft acquisition is really only buying the banner ad unit, which is not necessarily growing faster than text.  Don&#8217;t tell me Microsoft knows how to run a portal.<br />
3. Microsoft cannot run ANY online property.  Is MSN, Live, hotmail, passport or anything else come close to being number 1?  They do not have the corporate structure to succeed in this field.  (Wanna bet: Facebook will never take another dollar from Microsoft).  Schmidt said Google had one product but many FEATURES.  This is where the competition is.<br />
4. So why spend $40B+ on something that has a shrinking market share and will continue to shrink for sure?  Even Yahoo is thinking to use/already using Google ad services.<br />
5. Yahoo is making money, just not as much as Wall Street likes.  If it totally forgoes search (sorry, Burbank), the cost savings and renewed focus will be better for the whole company.  Don&#8217;t let (the ego of buying) Overture drag you down.  Yahoo&#8217;s main problem is each unit not sharing customer data and serve more relevant ad.  Seriously.<br />
6. I think Microsoft is screwed, in the long run.  I agree with the innovation comment above.  It does not seem to innovate (or at least fast enough).</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk Diggler</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2419093</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk Diggler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing they should do is fire Steve Ballmer. Eights years as CEO and what does he have to show for it? Nothing. They are lucky they have the operating systems and office monopolies. Remove those two divisions and the rest are a complete failure. 

As much as Arrington hates Yang and his people, they are eating Microsoft's lunch when it comes to search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing they should do is fire Steve Ballmer. Eights years as CEO and what does he have to show for it? Nothing. They are lucky they have the operating systems and office monopolies. Remove those two divisions and the rest are a complete failure. </p>
<p>As much as Arrington hates Yang and his people, they are eating Microsoft&#8217;s lunch when it comes to search.</p>
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		<title>By: Pandrogas</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2419034</link>
		<dc:creator>Pandrogas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Microsoft wants to take a larger share of the online market, they are going to have to stop being such a cluster**** organization and pony up.  They have people working at Microsoft smarter than myself and many others, but the management has always had issues (Anybody read the Vista memos that came out a few weeks back?).

If you want to beat Google, you need to start by unifying the online services under one roof, make account control and moderation easier, let your users know you won't tolerate spam (Gallery.live.com for example), and ultimately do your best to win users by supplying the best and easiest experience.  Bonus points if it looks and works cleanly on the backend, something I've yet to see Microsoft do most places.

And in all honesty, I'm still not convinced that Ballmer is the guy to go to with the strategy.  He seems to be great with the B2B, but sucks somethin' aweful when it comes to consumers.  He likes to play the marketing card way too often.  And it's killing the company's online efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Microsoft wants to take a larger share of the online market, they are going to have to stop being such a cluster**** organization and pony up.  They have people working at Microsoft smarter than myself and many others, but the management has always had issues (Anybody read the Vista memos that came out a few weeks back?).</p>
<p>If you want to beat Google, you need to start by unifying the online services under one roof, make account control and moderation easier, let your users know you won&#8217;t tolerate spam (Gallery.live.com for example), and ultimately do your best to win users by supplying the best and easiest experience.  Bonus points if it looks and works cleanly on the backend, something I&#8217;ve yet to see Microsoft do most places.</p>
<p>And in all honesty, I&#8217;m still not convinced that Ballmer is the guy to go to with the strategy.  He seems to be great with the B2B, but sucks somethin&#8217; aweful when it comes to consumers.  He likes to play the marketing card way too often.  And it&#8217;s killing the company&#8217;s online efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: msft</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2419030</link>
		<dc:creator>msft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for microsoft. 

KJ is a good sales man, he did very well leading the sales group, selling to   businesses. But he doesn't understand the search/consumer market well, nor he has any vision for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for microsoft. </p>
<p>KJ is a good sales man, he did very well leading the sales group, selling to   businesses. But he doesn&#8217;t understand the search/consumer market well, nor he has any vision for that.</p>
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		<title>By: hyloka</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418997</link>
		<dc:creator>hyloka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kevin

I don't agree.  Why do they need to modify Yahoo's software immediately?  I can see a gradual transition.  It's not like they're going to realize financial benefits from moving from Yahoo!'s open source low cost server solution to Microsoft's server solution.  To the extent that Yahoo! code running on those servers is open source GPL type code, Microsoft will have to recode if it wants to integrate that code with proprietary Microsoft code (so that Microsoft proprietary code doesn't become subject to open source software terms (sorry Richard Stallman, I meant "free software" Of course in some ways "free software" is a little like "free underwear," free is great, but you have to look carefully at what's in the package before you put it on).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kevin</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree.  Why do they need to modify Yahoo&#8217;s software immediately?  I can see a gradual transition.  It&#8217;s not like they&#8217;re going to realize financial benefits from moving from Yahoo!&#8217;s open source low cost server solution to Microsoft&#8217;s server solution.  To the extent that Yahoo! code running on those servers is open source GPL type code, Microsoft will have to recode if it wants to integrate that code with proprietary Microsoft code (so that Microsoft proprietary code doesn&#8217;t become subject to open source software terms (sorry Richard Stallman, I meant &#8220;free software&#8221; Of course in some ways &#8220;free software&#8221; is a little like &#8220;free underwear,&#8221; free is great, but you have to look carefully at what&#8217;s in the package before you put it on).</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418972</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Microsoft buys Yahoo, their number one priority will not be innovating, or introducing new products, or finding some way to outwit Google.

Their number one priority will be modifying all of Yahoo's software to run on Windows servers.

It will absorb a huge amount of time and capital, and will deliver zero value to the end users. But they are bound to do it, because they are not an Internet company: they are an operating systems company that also does Internet stuff.

A pure-Internet company like Yahoo or Google has the freedom to use whatever tools work best, regardless of who makes them; while a technology conglomerate like MS is required, by intra-company politics and by the need to make other divisions of MS look good, to use its own tools exclusively.

That's why Microsoft is going to lose out to Google, regardless of whether they absorb Yahoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Microsoft buys Yahoo, their number one priority will not be innovating, or introducing new products, or finding some way to outwit Google.</p>
<p>Their number one priority will be modifying all of Yahoo&#8217;s software to run on Windows servers.</p>
<p>It will absorb a huge amount of time and capital, and will deliver zero value to the end users. But they are bound to do it, because they are not an Internet company: they are an operating systems company that also does Internet stuff.</p>
<p>A pure-Internet company like Yahoo or Google has the freedom to use whatever tools work best, regardless of who makes them; while a technology conglomerate like MS is required, by intra-company politics and by the need to make other divisions of MS look good, to use its own tools exclusively.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why Microsoft is going to lose out to Google, regardless of whether they absorb Yahoo.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Schleber</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418927</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Schleber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, kudos for pointing out the branding mess, that's where all of the confusion and non-starter efforts (see Windows Live Expo) begin.

Ballmer is always talking about things in an abstract muddle ("user experiences", etc.) with no real clarity on what he would like the end result to look like.

The reason why they don't know what they want to do/should be doing online is that all they really want is to protect their OS (and Office). And  that just isn't enough.

It's been pointed out above (and many times before) that they do actually have smart people, the largest R&#38;D budget of pretty much anyone, and are innovating on the margins. Which begs the question: Where's the beef?

If all these people and money had acted IN CONCERT even a little over the last few years, there's no telling what they could have achieved online. But there is no clear direction, no positive vision coming from the top.

(reprint of my comment on last night's related post on the reorg)

[This reorg] would appear as deeply weird, except for the idea that this could be a prelude to some sort of spin-off plus cash to Yahoo deal that Henry Blodget over at AlleyInsider had championed early on.

If they aren't going for that, then this is truly bizarre, and will come back to bite them. Windows is their least defensible position in the long run, and adding in Hotmail, etc. doesn't do a thing for them in this regard, while they should instead be INTEGRATING search and ads more tightly with all of these properties.

Think about it: Google really had no business rolling out Google Desktop, except that MSFT's own native search in their own OS still sucks to this day...

Ballmer (in his internal memo): "To keep today’s Windows applications alive, vibrant, and exciting, we need both—applications that run everywhere and rich client applications."

Wrong. What he meant to say/should have said was:

"To keep Windows alive, we need... rich client applications..."

Problem is, the browser as client is getting richer by the minute...

(Arrington's post calling for an open-sourced $200-400 tablet that runs on a baseline linux kernel and browser only, anyone?)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, kudos for pointing out the branding mess, that&#8217;s where all of the confusion and non-starter efforts (see Windows Live Expo) begin.</p>
<p>Ballmer is always talking about things in an abstract muddle (&#8221;user experiences&#8221;, etc.) with no real clarity on what he would like the end result to look like.</p>
<p>The reason why they don&#8217;t know what they want to do/should be doing online is that all they really want is to protect their OS (and Office). And  that just isn&#8217;t enough.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been pointed out above (and many times before) that they do actually have smart people, the largest R&amp;D budget of pretty much anyone, and are innovating on the margins. Which begs the question: Where&#8217;s the beef?</p>
<p>If all these people and money had acted IN CONCERT even a little over the last few years, there&#8217;s no telling what they could have achieved online. But there is no clear direction, no positive vision coming from the top.</p>
<p>(reprint of my comment on last night&#8217;s related post on the reorg)</p>
<p>[This reorg] would appear as deeply weird, except for the idea that this could be a prelude to some sort of spin-off plus cash to Yahoo deal that Henry Blodget over at AlleyInsider had championed early on.</p>
<p>If they aren&#8217;t going for that, then this is truly bizarre, and will come back to bite them. Windows is their least defensible position in the long run, and adding in Hotmail, etc. doesn&#8217;t do a thing for them in this regard, while they should instead be INTEGRATING search and ads more tightly with all of these properties.</p>
<p>Think about it: Google really had no business rolling out Google Desktop, except that MSFT&#8217;s own native search in their own OS still sucks to this day&#8230;</p>
<p>Ballmer (in his internal memo): &#8220;To keep today’s Windows applications alive, vibrant, and exciting, we need both—applications that run everywhere and rich client applications.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong. What he meant to say/should have said was:</p>
<p>&#8220;To keep Windows alive, we need&#8230; rich client applications&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Problem is, the browser as client is getting richer by the minute&#8230;</p>
<p>(Arrington&#8217;s post calling for an open-sourced $200-400 tablet that runs on a baseline linux kernel and browser only, anyone?)</p>
<p>(end of reprint)</p>
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		<title>By: whisperer</title>
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		<dc:creator>whisperer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hyloka

No flame from me. I think this is the most thoughtful and insightful piece on MS I've read in ages.</description>
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<p>No flame from me. I think this is the most thoughtful and insightful piece on MS I&#8217;ve read in ages.</p>
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		<title>By: hyloka</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418899</link>
		<dc:creator>hyloka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft does innovate (yes, I know that may be flamebait).

Look at their patent filings and the amount that they invest in pure R&#38;D.  They've got some wicked smart people, a lot of them in Silicon Valley.  I've worked for lots of silicon valley companies, start-up and public alike and I've now also worked at Microsoft (recently moved on).  Despite the popular view in Silicon Valley, developers at Microsoft aren't of sub-human intelligence...from my experience they are among the smartest I've ever worked with.  I saw amazing side projects there that make other companies launched products look like crap.  

The problem is that while Microsoft development teams develop amazing technology, others bring it to market faster.  By the time innovative internal ideas make their way into launched products they then instantly get derided as "just copying X, Y or Z".  

It's not a good time to be in Microsoft's online group.  It used to be that the E&#38;D division was the company whipping boy, having been a huge cash sink for a long time, but that part of the company is making money now and has products that people love (Xbox and before yesterday the Zune...Zune tattoo guy has apparently lost his passion).  The online services group at Microsoft is not only a huge money suck, but doesn't have users that love its products (or even know what they heck those products are).  People internal to Microsoft have a hard enough time trying to keep straight what all the different online efforts are.  Microsoft needs to pick one brand, stick to it and kill the others.

I could go on, but many of you probably ignored this post when you read the first line, so flame on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft does innovate (yes, I know that may be flamebait).</p>
<p>Look at their patent filings and the amount that they invest in pure R&amp;D.  They&#8217;ve got some wicked smart people, a lot of them in Silicon Valley.  I&#8217;ve worked for lots of silicon valley companies, start-up and public alike and I&#8217;ve now also worked at Microsoft (recently moved on).  Despite the popular view in Silicon Valley, developers at Microsoft aren&#8217;t of sub-human intelligence&#8230;from my experience they are among the smartest I&#8217;ve ever worked with.  I saw amazing side projects there that make other companies launched products look like crap.  </p>
<p>The problem is that while Microsoft development teams develop amazing technology, others bring it to market faster.  By the time innovative internal ideas make their way into launched products they then instantly get derided as &#8220;just copying X, Y or Z&#8221;.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a good time to be in Microsoft&#8217;s online group.  It used to be that the E&amp;D division was the company whipping boy, having been a huge cash sink for a long time, but that part of the company is making money now and has products that people love (Xbox and before yesterday the Zune&#8230;Zune tattoo guy has apparently lost his passion).  The online services group at Microsoft is not only a huge money suck, but doesn&#8217;t have users that love its products (or even know what they heck those products are).  People internal to Microsoft have a hard enough time trying to keep straight what all the different online efforts are.  Microsoft needs to pick one brand, stick to it and kill the others.</p>
<p>I could go on, but many of you probably ignored this post when you read the first line, so flame on.</p>
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		<title>By: Sumanth</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418837</link>
		<dc:creator>Sumanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft. MSN. Live. Whatever, just name it something a little catchier than “Online Services.”

How about Yahoo! :D , Can't get a bigger brand name..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft. MSN. Live. Whatever, just name it something a little catchier than “Online Services.”</p>
<p>How about Yahoo! <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> , Can&#8217;t get a bigger brand name..</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418773</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  better return your geek card for a stupid comment like that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  better return your geek card for a stupid comment like that!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418750</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Microsoft needs to do is simply pick a brand name for the Internet side of things, and stick with it. Microsoft. MSN. Live. Whatever, just name it something a little catchier than “Online Services.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;b&gt;I think that TechCrunch needs to hold a contest to rename Microsoft's Online Services. The winner gets a free Zune.&lt;/b&gt;  

Here, I'll start with my &lt;b&gt;Top 10 Suggested Names&lt;/b&gt;:

10. Zune Live
9.  SoftFace
8.  Microhoo!
7.  The 404
6.  Zune Office Live : Millennium Edition
5.  Microsoft Online Services 2009
4.  Vista Online XP Pro
3.  Bluescreen
2.  Online Services Explorer 6
1.  Yahoo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Microsoft needs to do is simply pick a brand name for the Internet side of things, and stick with it. Microsoft. MSN. Live. Whatever, just name it something a little catchier than “Online Services.”</p></blockquote>
<p><b>I think that TechCrunch needs to hold a contest to rename Microsoft&#8217;s Online Services. The winner gets a free Zune.</b>  </p>
<p>Here, I&#8217;ll start with my <b>Top 10 Suggested Names</b>:</p>
<p>10. Zune Live<br />
9.  SoftFace<br />
8.  Microhoo!<br />
7.  The 404<br />
6.  Zune Office Live : Millennium Edition<br />
5.  Microsoft Online Services 2009<br />
4.  Vista Online XP Pro<br />
3.  Bluescreen<br />
2.  Online Services Explorer 6<br />
1.  Yahoo!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418731</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft makes things fast?? 
Vista is way slower than XP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft makes things fast??<br />
Vista is way slower than XP.</p>
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		<title>By: TJGodel</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418689</link>
		<dc:creator>TJGodel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft needs a changing of the guard.  Balmer has to go in order for their to be progress in it's online service effort.  There is simply too much pride and emotion in the roller coaster courtship between Microsoft and Yahoo.  As Far as Brand is concerned..if they acquire Yahoo they should keep the band and all the people and merge or kill it's own in-house brands into Yahoo anything else would be a disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft needs a changing of the guard.  Balmer has to go in order for their to be progress in it&#8217;s online service effort.  There is simply too much pride and emotion in the roller coaster courtship between Microsoft and Yahoo.  As Far as Brand is concerned..if they acquire Yahoo they should keep the band and all the people and merge or kill it&#8217;s own in-house brands into Yahoo anything else would be a disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418681</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft's core philosophy has always been, will always be, "Do NOT innovate, just wait for others to do the innovation, mimic what succeeds and force it on everyone via the Windows operating system."

The above permeates every aspect of the company, they have been reliant on it for 20 years. But what happens if you can no longer force people to adopt your stolen innovation through the desktop computer operating system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft&#8217;s core philosophy has always been, will always be, &#8220;Do NOT innovate, just wait for others to do the innovation, mimic what succeeds and force it on everyone via the Windows operating system.&#8221;</p>
<p>The above permeates every aspect of the company, they have been reliant on it for 20 years. But what happens if you can no longer force people to adopt your stolen innovation through the desktop computer operating system?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418665</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While search engines don't use RDBMS, they do have databases.  They take a query and return data, the data being references, aka URLs, plus other info.  (Not to mention that Google, Yahoo, and possibly MS provide access to their copy of crawled docs.)  "Take a query and return data" is pretty much the defn of database.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While search engines don&#8217;t use RDBMS, they do have databases.  They take a query and return data, the data being references, aka URLs, plus other info.  (Not to mention that Google, Yahoo, and possibly MS provide access to their copy of crawled docs.)  &#8220;Take a query and return data&#8221; is pretty much the defn of database.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418663</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean-Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And does Microsoft need to buy Yahoo in order to compete? There's no way around it? According to this article, &lt;a href="http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=625&#38;doc_id=158193&#38;f_src=flffour" rel="nofollow"&gt;Microsoft should forego the acquisitions route.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And does Microsoft need to buy Yahoo in order to compete? There&#8217;s no way around it? According to this article, <a href="http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=625&amp;doc_id=158193&amp;f_src=flffour" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.internetevolution.com');">Microsoft should forego the acquisitions route.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Markz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418648</link>
		<dc:creator>Markz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, "out-innovating Google" is a dull vision.  

If Ballmer wants to really inspire people, he'd set some pretty big, amibitious goals that have nothing to do with Google and everything to do with creating the best damn customer experience across every one of their product lines.   The customers will follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, &#8220;out-innovating Google&#8221; is a dull vision.  </p>
<p>If Ballmer wants to really inspire people, he&#8217;d set some pretty big, amibitious goals that have nothing to do with Google and everything to do with creating the best damn customer experience across every one of their product lines.   The customers will follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Markz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418644</link>
		<dc:creator>Markz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely disagree that a Yahoo purchase makes sense at the ~$35-40+ billion price range.

Yahoo grew through some very savvy acquisitions including Flickr and Delicious.

MSFT should do the same - commit to making creative and thoughtful acquisitions to increase its overall reach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely disagree that a Yahoo purchase makes sense at the ~$35-40+ billion price range.</p>
<p>Yahoo grew through some very savvy acquisitions including Flickr and Delicious.</p>
<p>MSFT should do the same - commit to making creative and thoughtful acquisitions to increase its overall reach.</p>
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		<title>By: Microhoo Fallout? Kevin Johnson Leaves Microsoft &#171; AdViking</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418572</link>
		<dc:creator>Microhoo Fallout? Kevin Johnson Leaves Microsoft &#171; AdViking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TechCrunch are positive, Microsoft Rumbles, Rearms For Online War It Can’t Win Without Yahoo [...]</description>
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		<title>By: adviking</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/24/microsoft-rumbles-rearms-for-online-war-it-cant-win-without-yahoo/#comment-2418566</link>
		<dc:creator>adviking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be a geek but a Search engine is run from an index not a database (RDBMS or other).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be a geek but a Search engine is run from an index not a database (RDBMS or other).</p>
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