Comments on: Google’s Talking Points For Today’s Antitrust Hearings: The Only One Who Won’t Like Our Yahoo Deal Is Microsoft

By: Google Answers Its Antitrust Critics, Sort Of.

Google Answers Its Antitrust Critics, Sort Of. — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:10:19 +0000

[...] some of the anti-competitive concerns being raised. Google already addressed some of these during a Congressional hearing in July. But Google cannot let up now if it wants this deal to go through. Even if it is willing to put up [...]

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links for 2008-07-16 | Yostivanich.com — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:34:17 +0000

[...] Google’s Talking Points For Today’s Antitrust Hearings: The Only One Who Won’t Like Our Yahoo … Google and Yahoo justify that having 90% of the internet search market isn’t a monolopy and won’t do anything bad with it. (tags: monopoly google yahoo microsoft congress politics privacy business economics) [...]

By: K1

K1 — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:07:31 +0000

Google has the monopoly because it used to be a good company. Now it has taken over by making “certain” deals. Since people use it they will continue to profit & charge more for the advertising.
There are other search engines Better than Google. Google will eventually be charged with anti-trust issues itself.
I don’t search on it, what about you? In fact anything Google I removeeeeee…

By: TanNg

TanNg — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:11:58 +0000

@kaka. Because we will not benefit. Why let Yahoo and Google benefit at our expense.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:04:41 +0000

Google has got to be STUPID if they think this should pass! 90% of the market is a joke! It would be more rational to force a breakdown of Google with their market share as is, not let them get bigger through deals..

I Personally am quitting Google, I’ll just have to find something else to use since I will NOT be supporting their delusions of grandeur!

By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » Googleの今日のアンタイトラスト公聴会の論点−当社とYahooの合意が気に食わないのはMicrosoftだけです

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:58:45 +0000

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By: Marah Marie

Marah Marie — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:51:38 +0000

Alex,

Isn’t anything over 50% control a monopoly? Why should Google have the monopoly on search ads? Why?

By: Google antitrust hearings « Intern-et

Google antitrust hearings « Intern-et — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:39:33 +0000

[...] Google antitrust hearings July 15, 2008 Too in-depth for me to try to analyze for a post, here’s an article by TechCrunch on the hearings today. Of course, Microsoft (who has dealt with its fair share of antitrust [...]

By: K1

K1 — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:26:32 +0000

Correction On my above post: I meant MSFT will have to pay $40 a share offer not $ 40 Billion to influence Yahoo shareholders.

By: K1

K1 — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:20:40 +0000

Issues & Solution(s): #1: Yahoo should start buying back it’s shares and find a “White Knight”. Google is not that white knight, so this is just a temporary solution. In the meantime Icahn is likely to make some money but most likely will not be able to replace Yahoo’s board so long as Yahoo gets smart.
Point 1: Yahoo has an Ace with it’s Asian assets & should use it.
Point 2: MSFT can also be charged with anti-trust issues.
Point 3: What’s wrong with MSFT’s own search engine: MSN, etc> ??? Can’t they make $$ ??
A Google & Yahoo all out partnership will not work. MSFT’s Gen. Counsel Brad Smith’s claim of 90% of the search industry being controlled by those 2 companies is a powerful & valid arguement, yet MSFT can’t buy Yahoo without facing it’s own anti-trust issues; either now or later.
Fact is MSFT will have to pay $40 Billion to influence Yahoo’s shareholders.
Fact is MSFT is trying to take over Yahoo during a market slump & because Vista is finished, as well as no more PC Operating systems will be coming out. MSFT has lost 10% of it’s home PC market share in just a few months!
Fact is Google will be charged with Anti-Trust & Privacy issues.
Fact is Yahoo is a very well run company & if they sold shares which would cause them to leave themselves open to attack then it is Yahoo’s own fault…
No one likes MS, Google, or Icahn; But Yahoo you should have kept controlling shares sufficient to prevent any attack. If you Yahoo decided to cash in then it’s your own fault…

What you should be doing Yang is buying back shares…

By: Google and Yahoo: Alleged Conspirators : Beyond Search

Google and Yahoo: Alleged Conspirators : Beyond Search — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:49:41 +0000

[...] July 15, 2008, 5 pm: My news reader cheerfully delivered Erick Schonfeld’s “Google’s Talking Points for Today’s Antitrust hearings”: The Only One Who Won’t Like Our Yahoo Deal Is Microsoft”. Pretty useful information [...]

By: Alex Schleber

Alex Schleber — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:47:16 +0000

Last I checked, Google’s 60ish % share plus a PORTION of Yahoo’s 20ish % share makes for at best about 70-80% total.

So MSFT counsel must be… uhm… overstating the case a bit… one would think they’d be a little more careful with that 90% number… (cough, cough)

Google will “control” (reversibly so), only about 70-80% of search ad serves, TOPS, in the near future.

And actually what’s even funnier than the FALSE 90% number, is MSFT’s argument that since search is the gateway to the internet, Google should be stopped:

Since we’re only talking about search AD serves and not the search itself (it stays right where it is with YHOO), this is a complete red herring. Clearly they CANNOT be claiming that “paid search ads” are “the gateway to the internet”.

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By: Wendy Piersall

Wendy Piersall — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:38:05 +0000

Yahoo’s General Counseld Callahan quoted from the Yahoo news story:

“Callahan added that “the claim some have made that Yahoo and Google are price fixing is entirely false. Prices for search terms are set by open and fair market-based auctions, and advertisers only pay when consumers click on their ads.”"

Callahan is SMOKING CRACK. There is nothing ‘open’ about the bidding process. And prices are set most of the time by Google’s ‘Quality Score’, NOT market forces.

By: Cryptblade

Cryptblade — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:13:11 +0000

The deal is that Google’s PPC tech will be used by Yahoo for SERP ads vis a vis AdSense for search and content. That means Google AdWords advertisers can potentially have the same ads displayed in Google SERPs and Yahoo SERPs. That means more bang for buck for existing PPC advertisers. It does NOT make it more competitive. The deal makes it less competitive. It’s quite simple. I would love to see better PPC tech from Yahoo & MSN, but as an advertiser and marketing consultant, AdWords is better for advertisers and for ROI. But there’s a smugness and hidden arrogance in Google to basically say, Yahoo and MSN’s PPC sucks balls – we know it, advertisers know it, SEO & PPC agencies know it – so let this happen and it’ll be GREAT for advertisers around. AdWord prices are not getting lower – going higher. Goo-Hoo is not a good thing in the LONG RUN. Good short term though.

By: kaka

kaka — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:43:47 +0000

All the morons on this site bitching about Google being a monopoly will go right back to Google for their searches. So why not let Yahoo benefit as well?

By: Sleeplessinseattle

Sleeplessinseattle — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:54:22 +0000

Pigs get fact and hogs get slaughtered. Google is definately one fat hog.

Pricing on Google ads are already sky high and increasing by 100s of pct each year.

Is anybody dumb enought to actually believe Google’s lame rationale?

By: Chase Barfield

Chase Barfield — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:53:59 +0000

Mr. Arrington – Here is a better image for your Yahoo + Google story.
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By: MobileRoar

MobileRoar — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:18:12 +0000

@5 – it’s JOHNNY Damon

@ValleySnark – Google isn’t just assuming their advertising is better. If you were a web publisher/developer and had any experience with Yahoo Search Marketing, you would know that it is a TOTAL train wreck on both sides of the fence. MSN is better… but has UI issues and Adwords takes the cake. Google Adwords is hands down the best online PPC advertising platform around… for its quality and volume – both important

Perhaps no other company has had 90% of the advertising revenue of any medium… but has anyone deserved it more than Google? I’ll admit, it IS scary that they could have such a large percentage.

By: Observer

Observer — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:08:11 +0000

And the link to the interview if anyone is interested…
http://www.char...-steven-ballmer

Great interview.

By: Observer

Observer — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:07:05 +0000

And the link… http://www.char...-steven-ballmer

Great interview…

By: Observer

Observer — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:04:20 +0000

“This agreement will be good for Internet users (who will see ads that are better targeted to their interests); advertisers (whose ads will be better matched to users’ interests, allowing them to reach potential customers more efficiently), and website publishers (who will see increased revenue from better-matched ads on their websites)”

I’ve heard all this before… and it was captured especially well in the Charlie Rose interview with Steve Ballmer (10/21/1997)… only difference, Steve was talking about IE.

How ironic how things appear to be so different but are really the same.

By: Azhar

Azhar — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:00:04 +0000

Google is a monopoly and without any restriction, it will continue to take control of online advertising industry. In future, it will be either Google’s way or highway for consumers. Yahoo as a company really does not have a vision, it is lead by bunch of egoistic bozos who are still not able to overcome the hate for Microsoft. What they don’t realize is Google is the new Microsoft, more dangerous and more deceptive than Microsoft ever was.

By: SteveR

SteveR — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:41:22 +0000

A Yahoo/Google merger is a bad deal for everyone but Google shareholders because it creates a monopoly and removes transparency from the marketplace.

But the real story here is the irony WRIT LARGE of Microsoft on the other side of an anti-trust case. That company has been benefiting from wink-wink weak government oversight for 15-20 years. Most of the TC readers who cut their teeth in the browser/player/software wars of the 90s and early 2000s must be sharing a tiny giggle with me.

By: topshopuk

topshopuk — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:38:27 +0000

i’m beginning to really hate google. their position vis-a-vis this deal just oozes self-righteous smugness.