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		<title>By: Yuhong Bao</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-3023169</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuhong Bao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Only you forgot that when you were young you had a big mouth, and made more comments than you should have about . . . say . . . blacks in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. You won’t even know why, you’ll just start running into a glass ceiling when you try to break through . . . say . . . the VP level. Certain large corporations will just not do business with you. This sort of thing is what we can expect. These are the saddest cases, because they will run into a new glass ceiling that they themselves made with their own SMS’s, emails, and forum posts.&quot;
Well, that particular problem is another mess altogether relating to PR, I think, and of course it is off topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Only you forgot that when you were young you had a big mouth, and made more comments than you should have about . . . say . . . blacks in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. You won’t even know why, you’ll just start running into a glass ceiling when you try to break through . . . say . . . the VP level. Certain large corporations will just not do business with you. This sort of thing is what we can expect. These are the saddest cases, because they will run into a new glass ceiling that they themselves made with their own SMS’s, emails, and forum posts.&#8221;<br />
Well, that particular problem is another mess altogether relating to PR, I think, and of course it is off topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Crastinate &#187; User Privacy Isn&#8217;t About Information Protecting, it&#8217;s About Information Collecting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crastinate &#187; User Privacy Isn&#8217;t About Information Protecting, it&#8217;s About Information Collecting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Arrington at Techcrunch makes a good point about who is to blame here. Everyone wants to blame Viacom and it&#8217;s understandable. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Issue Of Trust Is With Google - Not Viacom</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2526664</link>
		<dc:creator>Issue Of Trust Is With Google - Not Viacom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dispute is the reason the two companies and lawyers representing a group of other copyright holders suing Google, have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Do YOU Still Trust Google? Many Don&#8217;t&#8230;and I Don&#8217;t Blame Them! &#124; MarketPyre</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2459892</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Do YOU Still Trust Google? Many Don&#8217;t&#8230;and I Don&#8217;t Blame Them! &#124; MarketPyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Issue of Trust is with Google, not ViaCom [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymity on the Internet in Danger &#171; JETLawBlog: The Official Blog of the Vanderbilt Journal of Entertainment and Technology Law</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2410091</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymity on the Internet in Danger &#171; JETLawBlog: The Official Blog of the Vanderbilt Journal of Entertainment and Technology Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is unclear how Google will proceed in the case.  While Viacom says that it won&#8217;t be using the information to go after individuals, Google would be wise to attempt to narrow the scope of the information it is supposed to hand [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is unclear how Google will proceed in the case.  While Viacom says that it won&#8217;t be using the information to go after individuals, Google would be wise to attempt to narrow the scope of the information it is supposed to hand [...]</p>
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		<title>By: eDiscovery Technology &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Viacom v Google</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2409351</link>
		<dc:creator>eDiscovery Technology &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Viacom v Google</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has promised not to use the data to go after YouTube visitors, but, in that case, it is unclear why they need the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Google/Viacom Agree To Preserve User Anonymity In Data Shakedown</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2408772</link>
		<dc:creator>Google/Viacom Agree To Preserve User Anonymity In Data Shakedown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After an online uprising against the order, Viacom tried to assert that they never requested personally identifiable information (they did), and later promised not to use the information to sue individuals. The value of that promise was questioned by us and many others. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After an online uprising against the order, Viacom tried to assert that they never requested personally identifiable information (they did), and later promised not to use the information to sue individuals. The value of that promise was questioned by us and many others. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: digital garbage</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2408245</link>
		<dc:creator>digital garbage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Google balks at providing YouTube records of employees...&lt;/strong&gt;

CNet reports on what may be the stumbling block in Google and Viacom&#8217;s failure to reach an agreement regarding YouTube user data (which I&#8217;ve blogged on here and here):
Viacom wants to know which videos YouTube employees have watched and upl...</description>
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<p>CNet reports on what may be the stumbling block in Google and Viacom&#8217;s failure to reach an agreement regarding YouTube user data (which I&#8217;ve blogged on here and here):<br />
Viacom wants to know which videos YouTube employees have watched and upl&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2408165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree, people started going after Viacom but YouTube is the one with the problem.

I wonder how will all of this play out. YouTube should finally settle their policies against copyright infringement and avoid hundreds of possible new lawsuits.

The main problems is that YT &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=466&amp;doc_id=158602&amp;f_src=flffour&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;played &quot;Big Brother&quot; but gave in to pressure from a &quot;bigger brother&quot;.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree, people started going after Viacom but YouTube is the one with the problem.</p>
<p>I wonder how will all of this play out. YouTube should finally settle their policies against copyright infringement and avoid hundreds of possible new lawsuits.</p>
<p>The main problems is that YT <a href="http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=466&amp;doc_id=158602&amp;f_src=flffour" rel="nofollow">played &#8220;Big Brother&#8221; but gave in to pressure from a &#8220;bigger brother&#8221;.</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Issue Of Trust Is With Google, Not Viacom (Michael Arrington/TechCrunch) &#124; NewsMeToday</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2408099</link>
		<dc:creator>The Issue Of Trust Is With Google, Not Viacom (Michael Arrington/TechCrunch) &#124; NewsMeToday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]     Category: Techmeme &#124;  source article link   Michael Arrington / TechCrunch: The Issue Of Trust Is With Google, Not Viacom&#160; &#8212;&#160; Earlier this month Louis L. Stanton, the senior judge on the United States [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]     Category: Techmeme |  source article link   Michael Arrington / TechCrunch: The Issue Of Trust Is With Google, Not Viacom&nbsp; &mdash;&nbsp; Earlier this month Louis L. Stanton, the senior judge on the United States [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bif Powell</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407983</link>
		<dc:creator>Bif Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this as a good thing...well not &#039;good&#039; good, but ultimately the result will be good.  We as users and tool-builders will adjust to this (not really all that) new reality and be as paranoid as we should have been all along.

In the end, as the new Internet tools become more and more powerful, the big media companies are loosing their voice and relevancy.  Their reaction is one of fear and desperation so hopefully they are on their way out entirely and our voices will be OURS rather then through the filter of corporations and the collectivist ant-people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this as a good thing&#8230;well not &#8216;good&#8217; good, but ultimately the result will be good.  We as users and tool-builders will adjust to this (not really all that) new reality and be as paranoid as we should have been all along.</p>
<p>In the end, as the new Internet tools become more and more powerful, the big media companies are loosing their voice and relevancy.  Their reaction is one of fear and desperation so hopefully they are on their way out entirely and our voices will be OURS rather then through the filter of corporations and the collectivist ant-people.</p>
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		<title>By: NZN</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407700</link>
		<dc:creator>NZN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen. Reputations are on the line... Users are being given a learning opportunity. How will you be organized in the future?

Why do individual users allow themselves to be at the mercy of big corporate machines? Even ones that &quot;Do No Evil&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. Reputations are on the line&#8230; Users are being given a learning opportunity. How will you be organized in the future?</p>
<p>Why do individual users allow themselves to be at the mercy of big corporate machines? Even ones that &#8220;Do No Evil&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: brianp</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407607</link>
		<dc:creator>brianp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyone trusting google here ? I dont see why it is so difficutl to trust a company, even if it is very big

brian
http://www.themostpowerfulcompany.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone trusting google here ? I dont see why it is so difficutl to trust a company, even if it is very big</p>
<p>brian<br />
<a href="http://www.themostpowerfulcompany.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.themostpowerfulcompany.com'>http://www.them...rfulcompany.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy Wong</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407521</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This senior judge effective said: Hey, Google, you must give evidence to your alleged victim to prove your innocence, and otherwise guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This senior judge effective said: Hey, Google, you must give evidence to your alleged victim to prove your innocence, and otherwise guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: Wow..</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407512</link>
		<dc:creator>Wow..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That guy who wrote this article is FUCKING RETARDED! As if Google could do anything about a court order. Fucking dipshit. If a judge made you hand over your data, you would have no choice in the matter either. The blame is is Viacom&#039;s and the judge&#039;s, not Google&#039;s!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That guy who wrote this article is FUCKING RETARDED! As if Google could do anything about a court order. Fucking dipshit. If a judge made you hand over your data, you would have no choice in the matter either. The blame is is Viacom&#8217;s and the judge&#8217;s, not Google&#8217;s!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Schleber</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407482</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Schleber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exhibit A: Rupert Murdoch (of News Corp./FOX/WSJ/etc.) said in an interview in late May:

    Q: So why didn’t you sue YouTube? Plenty of pirated stuff there. A: All the time. Simpsons are all over it. We had mixed feelings about it, but when it came down to it, we figured it was doing more to promote our shows than it was to hurt them.

    (AllThingsD.com via AlleyInsider.com)

Therefore, in my view Viacom (Sumner Redstone) is taking the worst possible route: The recent court subpoena for YouTube’s viewing records is already a PR disaster. What Viacom should have done/be doing is force YouTube/Google into a deal where they get to place ads next to this &quot;appropriated&quot; content, and get a share of the fees plus free advertising for themselves (e.g. in the end frame).

But after you threaten and posture, you lose most leverage that you might have had to politely force a Win-Win. (BTW, I don’t hold Google entirely blameless in this, they could have done more to court the &quot;old media&quot; content providers, and might be monetizing YouTube a lot more efficiently than they have been doing so far. Which is to say, they haven’t.)

Better yet, they (Viacom) should have been the ones uploading the content THEMSELVES on YouTube, with their own link text showing, etc. (rather than create me-too sites that are slow to catch mind-share). If they were even marginally Web-savvy, they would have surfed the YouTube wave themselves, and would now be positioned a lot better than they are.

This way they could have LEVERAGED YouTube for their own purposes, sending people from there to their full-scale episodes. I said 2-3 years ago that I’d be willing to pay $1 for each of my favorite Daily Show episodes, etc. Why did Viacom fail to see that they could have had their own iTunes-like TV content distribution?!?

This copyright infringement thinking is pure scarcity mentality: It is one thing for an unknown author to not want their articles/books/etc. being used verbatim and without attribution somewhere else, but for a well-worn-in BRAND such as Viacom’s shows, that’s simply not the problem. Everybody already knows who created it and where it runs. (This is BTW the reason why YOU MUST BRAND!)

Most of the time as a business/author/etc. you have the exact opposite problem: That no one gives a dear about you or your ideas/products. We should all be so lucky as to have our (sufficiently branded) stuff ripped off…

In fact, you WANT your stuff to be saturating every nook and cranny. More power to you.

What you don’t want is to be perceived as anti-consumer, even worse as anti-fan(atic). Grave mistake. They are your best customers, your best evangelists. Working against them is madness.

Someone who goes to all of the trouble to record a TV show, convert it, and upload it in snippets to YouTube, snippets that they themselves CANNOT monetize, is by definition a fanatic.

Nurture the infected.

Many big (and small) companies are paying viral marketing consultants big bucks to try and get their ideas/wares to &quot;infect&quot; the public, often unsuccessfully. They are paying to try and find and infect what Malcom Gladwell in &quot;The Tipping Point&quot; called &quot;the few&quot;: The connectors and mavens that might push your business over the top. And it’s HARD. Often impossible.

BTW, SiliconAlleyInsider just reported Nielsen Ratings that while the average American watches 120+ hours of TV a month, Web video accounts for less than 3 hours a month. So Viacom should be using YouTube and similar means of free distribution to get a greater share of the 120 hours…

Rather than suing while sucking air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exhibit A: Rupert Murdoch (of News Corp./FOX/WSJ/etc.) said in an interview in late May:</p>
<p>    Q: So why didn’t you sue YouTube? Plenty of pirated stuff there. A: All the time. Simpsons are all over it. We had mixed feelings about it, but when it came down to it, we figured it was doing more to promote our shows than it was to hurt them.</p>
<p>    (AllThingsD.com via AlleyInsider.com)</p>
<p>Therefore, in my view Viacom (Sumner Redstone) is taking the worst possible route: The recent court subpoena for YouTube’s viewing records is already a PR disaster. What Viacom should have done/be doing is force YouTube/Google into a deal where they get to place ads next to this &#8220;appropriated&#8221; content, and get a share of the fees plus free advertising for themselves (e.g. in the end frame).</p>
<p>But after you threaten and posture, you lose most leverage that you might have had to politely force a Win-Win. (BTW, I don’t hold Google entirely blameless in this, they could have done more to court the &#8220;old media&#8221; content providers, and might be monetizing YouTube a lot more efficiently than they have been doing so far. Which is to say, they haven’t.)</p>
<p>Better yet, they (Viacom) should have been the ones uploading the content THEMSELVES on YouTube, with their own link text showing, etc. (rather than create me-too sites that are slow to catch mind-share). If they were even marginally Web-savvy, they would have surfed the YouTube wave themselves, and would now be positioned a lot better than they are.</p>
<p>This way they could have LEVERAGED YouTube for their own purposes, sending people from there to their full-scale episodes. I said 2-3 years ago that I’d be willing to pay $1 for each of my favorite Daily Show episodes, etc. Why did Viacom fail to see that they could have had their own iTunes-like TV content distribution?!?</p>
<p>This copyright infringement thinking is pure scarcity mentality: It is one thing for an unknown author to not want their articles/books/etc. being used verbatim and without attribution somewhere else, but for a well-worn-in BRAND such as Viacom’s shows, that’s simply not the problem. Everybody already knows who created it and where it runs. (This is BTW the reason why YOU MUST BRAND!)</p>
<p>Most of the time as a business/author/etc. you have the exact opposite problem: That no one gives a dear about you or your ideas/products. We should all be so lucky as to have our (sufficiently branded) stuff ripped off…</p>
<p>In fact, you WANT your stuff to be saturating every nook and cranny. More power to you.</p>
<p>What you don’t want is to be perceived as anti-consumer, even worse as anti-fan(atic). Grave mistake. They are your best customers, your best evangelists. Working against them is madness.</p>
<p>Someone who goes to all of the trouble to record a TV show, convert it, and upload it in snippets to YouTube, snippets that they themselves CANNOT monetize, is by definition a fanatic.</p>
<p>Nurture the infected.</p>
<p>Many big (and small) companies are paying viral marketing consultants big bucks to try and get their ideas/wares to &#8220;infect&#8221; the public, often unsuccessfully. They are paying to try and find and infect what Malcom Gladwell in &#8220;The Tipping Point&#8221; called &#8220;the few&#8221;: The connectors and mavens that might push your business over the top. And it’s HARD. Often impossible.</p>
<p>BTW, SiliconAlleyInsider just reported Nielsen Ratings that while the average American watches 120+ hours of TV a month, Web video accounts for less than 3 hours a month. So Viacom should be using YouTube and similar means of free distribution to get a greater share of the 120 hours…</p>
<p>Rather than suing while sucking air.</p>
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		<title>By: Gravity</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407441</link>
		<dc:creator>Gravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Viacom did set out to break the trust that users had established with Google. I think this is more evil. It is Viacom who originated this evil action, not Google.&quot; agreed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Viacom did set out to break the trust that users had established with Google. I think this is more evil. It is Viacom who originated this evil action, not Google.&#8221; agreed</p>
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		<title>By: quux</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407398</link>
		<dc:creator>quux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google has some deep thinking to do. This court order exposes some real complications in the question of what data to keep and what to throw away. But I think of it like this: did Google build their systems with the *intent* of violating user trust? And I think the answer there is: no. They have now discovered that just keeping the data means that they may at some time be forced to violate user trust.

On the other hand, Viacom did set out to break the trust that users had established with Google. I think this is more evil. It is Viacom who originated this evil action, not Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google has some deep thinking to do. This court order exposes some real complications in the question of what data to keep and what to throw away. But I think of it like this: did Google build their systems with the *intent* of violating user trust? And I think the answer there is: no. They have now discovered that just keeping the data means that they may at some time be forced to violate user trust.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Viacom did set out to break the trust that users had established with Google. I think this is more evil. It is Viacom who originated this evil action, not Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407383</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don&#039;t Be evil&quot; is simply a synonym for &quot;Don&#039;t Be Microsoft&quot; -- or rather, don&#039;t be a bully the way Microsoft was.  It&#039;s basically meaningless, and it certainly doesn&#039;t mean &quot;allow our users to violate other companies&#039; copyright law, then protect them when it&#039;s time to pay the fiddler.&quot;  

Posts like this are delusional and bratty -- they reflect a baffling ignorance of the fact you&#039;re using someone else&#039;s service.  If you choose to use that service, fine -- just don&#039;t be stupid.  If you use the service and you&#039;re not stupid -- i.e., you don&#039;t use it to upload or watch essentially stolen material -- then you&#039;ve nothing to worry about.  If you did, well, you should&#039;ve known better.  

What did you think?  That the world would sit idly by while millions of Google users stole its stuff and distributed it for free?  Isn&#039;t that a little ... well, just plain stupid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t Be evil&#8221; is simply a synonym for &#8220;Don&#8217;t Be Microsoft&#8221; &#8212; or rather, don&#8217;t be a bully the way Microsoft was.  It&#8217;s basically meaningless, and it certainly doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;allow our users to violate other companies&#8217; copyright law, then protect them when it&#8217;s time to pay the fiddler.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Posts like this are delusional and bratty &#8212; they reflect a baffling ignorance of the fact you&#8217;re using someone else&#8217;s service.  If you choose to use that service, fine &#8212; just don&#8217;t be stupid.  If you use the service and you&#8217;re not stupid &#8212; i.e., you don&#8217;t use it to upload or watch essentially stolen material &#8212; then you&#8217;ve nothing to worry about.  If you did, well, you should&#8217;ve known better.  </p>
<p>What did you think?  That the world would sit idly by while millions of Google users stole its stuff and distributed it for free?  Isn&#8217;t that a little &#8230; well, just plain stupid?</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-07-13 &#124; Daan Jansonius</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407380</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-07-13 &#124; Daan Jansonius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Issue Of Trust Is With Google, Not Viacom (tags: google privacy youtube lawsuit) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; [Link]Viacom and Youtube = your nonnude porn habits</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407363</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; [Link]Viacom and Youtube = your nonnude porn habits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12&#8230;le-not-viacom/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12&#8230;le-not-viacom/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12&#8230;le-not-viacom/'>http://www.tech...;le-not-viacom/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407341</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Does anyone really believe that a motivated plaintiff couldn’t identify individuals based on a user selected ID (mine is “TechCrunch”), IP address and a list of all watched videos?&quot;

I also employ the same (or nearly the same) user ID all over the web.  It would be rather simple for anyone to google my user ID from youtube and quickly follow the online trail to my door ... literally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does anyone really believe that a motivated plaintiff couldn’t identify individuals based on a user selected ID (mine is “TechCrunch”), IP address and a list of all watched videos?&#8221;</p>
<p>I also employ the same (or nearly the same) user ID all over the web.  It would be rather simple for anyone to google my user ID from youtube and quickly follow the online trail to my door &#8230; literally.</p>
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		<title>By: Tabitha Wild</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407335</link>
		<dc:creator>Tabitha Wild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do people realize Google pays a major file-sharing application called Bitcomet to distribute the Google toolbar?  Bitcomet is published by people in China and doesn&#039;t have any filters blocking users from accessing copyrighted content.   Google doesn&#039;t care.   They are just going to throw money at the lawyers.

Play games at harryballs.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do people realize Google pays a major file-sharing application called Bitcomet to distribute the Google toolbar?  Bitcomet is published by people in China and doesn&#8217;t have any filters blocking users from accessing copyrighted content.   Google doesn&#8217;t care.   They are just going to throw money at the lawyers.</p>
<p>Play games at harryballs.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Grott</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407328</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Grott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael I have to disagree read the damn court proceedings at Groklaw.net

Hee is one of the links:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080704201419392

After calling someone a loser to posting a question on FF and everyone taking it as some type of rumor and miss pronouncing my last name I have some gal to post without doing even the basic research..

You will find in the trial proceedings that quite the opposite in that Google was fighting for users privacy...

Now do the damn basic research, please! Your writing has so much merit when its backed up by basic research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael I have to disagree read the damn court proceedings at Groklaw.net</p>
<p>Hee is one of the links:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080704201419392" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080704201419392'>http://www.grok...080704201419392</a></p>
<p>After calling someone a loser to posting a question on FF and everyone taking it as some type of rumor and miss pronouncing my last name I have some gal to post without doing even the basic research..</p>
<p>You will find in the trial proceedings that quite the opposite in that Google was fighting for users privacy&#8230;</p>
<p>Now do the damn basic research, please! Your writing has so much merit when its backed up by basic research.</p>
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		<title>By: It's All Good</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/comment-page-2/#comment-2407323</link>
		<dc:creator>It's All Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is impossible to pick sides here. Both companies are behaving reprehensibly.

For a company that claims to not be &quot;evil,&quot; (Defined by whatever Mr. Brin says fits that nebulous standard) Google does evil things. They have the highest regard for using others IP without compensation under the theory of &quot;if I use it, I shouldn&#039;t pay, while attacking others who dare to use their IP. The Viacom case is an attempt by Google to evade what they are doing- making money from others, by tarring the other side as the privacy bad guy. For Viacom, how else do they prove their damages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is impossible to pick sides here. Both companies are behaving reprehensibly.</p>
<p>For a company that claims to not be &#8220;evil,&#8221; (Defined by whatever Mr. Brin says fits that nebulous standard) Google does evil things. They have the highest regard for using others IP without compensation under the theory of &#8220;if I use it, I shouldn&#8217;t pay, while attacking others who dare to use their IP. The Viacom case is an attempt by Google to evade what they are doing- making money from others, by tarring the other side as the privacy bad guy. For Viacom, how else do they prove their damages?</p>
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