Meet Jogli, a music search engine that claims to offer immediate listening access to 500M songs and 12M albums.
It would be valid to argue that there can’t possibly be more room for yet another music destination. However, having spent the past few days using Jogli, I have to conclude that it strikes me as having the potential to shake-up competitors including Songza, MeeMix, Deezer, SeeqPod, and a number of others.
Jogli crawls the web for music and music clips and then indexes them for search (the majority of songs come from YouTube, but the site will crawl other services). Jogli then lets users listen to the music it has discovered through a player integrated directly within the Web interface. Sure, “search, click & play” is nothing new, but applying it on 500M songs is a significant feat.
From my personal testing Jogli provides effective music search for artists, songs, whole albums, and clips. I easily found every non-mainstream artist or song I searched for—examples: The song ‘Thin Line’ by Jurassic 5 featuring Nelly Furtado, and Nick Cave’s album ‘Let Love In’.
The trend of piggy-backing YouTube via its API is changing the rules of the game for music services. Remember, Internet radio services like MeeMix and Last.fm have to pay royalties, while Jogli pays none. They don’t even pay streaming or storage costs—YouTube (meaning Google) foots the bills. Of course, this trend may not last long if YouTube starts cracking down on these music videos.
Jogli is in Beta so it’s far from perfect. Community and discovery features, for example, are practically non-existent. However, an inventory of 500M songs is surely enough to get Jogli foot in the door.
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Wohoo! TechCrunch has search… hey what’s this Jogli thing…
500M songs is quite impressive. That on it’s own is a good reason to give it a go.
Hey I love Techcrunch and I’m not complaining but I know this is going to sound crazy but I think it needs more ad’s…. ( yeah never thought I would say that either but …)
What if Techcruch looked like this - http://img295.imageshack.us/im.....nchof2.jpg
Would that be so bad, I just feel like sometimes I come to the site and I never see any ad’s that I can click on… Because sometimes I’m not just looking for tech stuff… sometimes I don’t mind just seeing a cool site or an ad on sneakers or for a Plasma…
(I’m just saying I’m not one dimensional and I do like a lot of things like most people.. so give me some ad’s I can click on… I actually do want to support Techcruch by clicking on ad’s)
Sorry if this was off topic, just something I wanted to get off my chest…
ok, continue on back to regular programing…
Just checked it out and it is brilliant. I liked the way it showed me the X&Y album by Coldplay on the home page.
Interestingly clicking on the name of a user from the home page, makes the album you were playing skip to the next song. I would not classify it as a bug but it can get annoying.
Asif
http://www.SINLetter.com
This one could be good…
Real clean, to the point, SIMPLE…it’s amazing how many companies try to overcomplicate things!
Looks they got their info from AMG, but as you mention, they manage to avoid royalty costs by reverting them to the big boys. Don’t see any ads so where do they make their money? hmmmmm. They got a little money to play around with so will they just monetize the site later?
Tel-Aviv’s got another one! I dig it.
Not a fan of any service that freeloads on other sites’ bandwidth. It’s like rooting for the leech.
Nothing like building your business on the back of a big pile of illegal content. Remind anyone else of (the original) Napster?
I honestly don’t have much experience with music sites, but checked this one out. Wow, this is really cool. I’m a true believer!
my first two searches went unfound:
4″ by Tool
and
Ferbistein by Ferbi Boys
batting 0 for 2 boys
most labels place the total number of unique tracks in music history at between 20 - 30 million, so 500 million seems like quite an inflated number.
by way of comparison, apple, rhapsody and others claim a catalogue of ~5 million unique tracks and they have deals with the 4 majors + hundreds of indies. even if you take into account that apple can’t license every piece of work ever recorded (because of rights issues), then there’s no way there’s 500 million unique tracks in existence.
perhaps you could do some fact checking in advance of your next article?
It found the album (Speed Ballads by Republica) I was looking for, said it had five tracks off of it… but every single one was wrong. Laughably so.
So, 500,000,000 songs but they’re all mis-categorized?
@crazyglues - from the look of your mock-up you desperately need a date.
Ever since Pandora, most new music web-apps seem pretty much the same to me, this one is different, i’m keeping a close watch.
Cheers Roi
“I have to conclude that it strikes me as having the potential to shake-up competitors including Songza, MeeMix, Deezer, SeeqPod, and a number of others.”
What about the two most popular destinations? imeem.com and playlist.com
Techcrunch can hardly consider itself a great example of tech journalism if its examples of the competitors manage to ignore the genuine players.
If you look at quantcast.com and add up all the users of Songza (81,806) , Meemix (13,747), deezer (235,182) and SeeqPod (8,771) then you get appoximately 5% of the user base of playlist.com (7,479,033) or imeem.com (6,448,690)
On another note, playlist.com and SeeqPod are both sites which have shown that just because you don’t host the content doesn’t mean you’re not going to get sued.
Hi Folks,
so what another music site, I used this great site for music etc.. http://www.Mp3Embed.com
Well, other than Imeem (who already have deals in place with record labels) if any of these companies reach any size of usage they will be sued by the labels and either put out of business or forced to raise a huge sum of money to pay them off and then still have onerous terms that make a future business difficult at best.
I’m all for interesting technologies (even if they don’t work that great yet) but they need to fix the business–that would be revolutionary…
This site is highly impressive. 5 thoughts:
1. Half a Billion songs!?! Not unless they include every song ever recorded in every country EVER.
-Pandora’s Music Genome project has coded half a Million songs (with an M). I have heard the founder Tim Westergren speak and he said that they have coded 99% of the music 99% of the population listens to.
2. Jogli understands that users want to be able to browse around the site without the music stopping.
-Facebook and MySpace still dont get this simple concept
3. As much as it pains me to say it, Jogli might be better than All Music.
-They scrape the All Music content, display the discography, similar albums but add video clips, lyrics and the fact that you can actually listen to the music all the way through instead of f***ing :30 second clips.
4.Since it relies on scraping the Internet, Jogli is not a good place for new music.
-They have 13 REM albums but not Accelerate (2008), the one I actually want to preview because I’m thinking about buying it
5. I wonder how they are going to monetize a site based entirely on content that belongs to other people
-Whatever there plans are for moving forward lets home they keep a focus on simplicity and avoid the worst aspects of social networking
I think you did not do your homework: Songza is doing precisely the same thing by streaming the music on Youtube and even more…Nothing new here, except an interface that is close to a copy past of Groovershark light..
1. clean design
2. simple to use
3. a lot of potential
what can we ask more?
Hi, it’s David, CEO and founder of Jogli,
First of all – Cheers Roi, and thanks Technologyslice, Jon, Majento I appreciate the compliments!
I want to use this opportunity to answer several questions and issues raised by you guys in the comments:
Asif- Checking out the thing with the jump- TX for finding it. Clicking on user should take you to their page, but it’s in dev. Will be out soon….
Adam Wexler- Thanks! We were really trying to keep it simple and I am glad someone notices (-;
Greg – I totally understand your feeling, which is why we are using only web sites that encourage other sites to use their content, and provide an API for it. Their business needs are marketing derived, but yet – its still cool on their behalf, and we intend to the same in the future, so its more like a voluntarily food chain rather then leeches… hmmmmm….. As for the wrong results – we are constantly working on improving the engine. Did you try clicking “get alternative clips”? You will get other results and it will enter our stat system… anyways – thanks for drawing my attention and I will check it out.
Kurt – Most of the content in Jogli is legal, As Google actually does rev share on content displayed on it web site and through the API – surprising, yet true.
daren benzi – Hi Daren, I think the sources you mentioned do not mention covers (both official and none official) as well as several versions for the same song. Moreover – Jogli include songs from all over the world, some of them using none Latin characters (such as Hebrew and Chinese) which hardly ever get counted!
web 2.0 – We are working on improving the search and I believe we are getting fairly good results, which doesn’t improve my 2:0 poor one (especially as Tool are a personal favorite of mine). Anyway- we will keep boosting the ability of the engine, trying to minimize experiences like you had to zero (especially with Tool!)
SocialMediaMojo, DP - I love playlist.com, yet, they are using illegal sources, we are trying to avoid that. That’s btw why we (I believe and hope) won’t get sued – YouTube pays content owners, and, if someone is not happy he or she can always take their music out of YouTube.
The Next Big Sound- I found all your points really interesting! 1. We do more or less just what you said, they deserve to be counted, aren’t they? 2. This one was one hard feature to develop and a personal dream of mine! 3. yep a whole song is better 4. we are working on improving the new music thing, check it out a months for now – surprises are on there way! 5. We are entitled to add ads, and will do it, in style, in the future.
Anyways – thanks for all your feedbacks, and feel free to contact me on my personal email davids@jogli.com. We need your feedback as, in this stage, it is the best way we can improve our product!
#9 - Jogli is still in Beta and you’ll certainly stumble upon songs it won’t find. Their position at the starting gate in my opinion is still rather impressive even with the kinks in mind.
#10 - The 500M number is a result of various versions of the same song–for example multiple live recordings. Then there is music in foreign languages. Also, there are tons of songs on YouTube for so called “amateurs”. Users find these songs to be no less relevant than “signed” artists.
#14 - I agree, but as I noted in the post, there are so many players in this space out there…
#18 - It’s important to remember that Jogli sees itself as a *music search engine* as opposed to a *music service*. Having spent time with the company’s CEO and hearing his vision of Jogli, I find this to be a major difference.
It is a great service. I love it. It has all the music I like!!!
Keep on adding features and developing it.
Iddo
Does it matter what the CEO vision is? What matters is what the user thinks and perceives. the packaging may be a bit different but it is still a copy paste of songza, specially because it uses the same song index. If you visited the site you’re mentionning, you would know it.
Hi Olivier
You wrote: “Does it matter what the CEO vision is? What matters is what the user thinks and perceives” and I agree with you 100%. That is why the feedbacks from the users are so important to us, and our appreciation for them. While Both Jogli and Songza use content from Youtube, I think a plane search will demonstrate that these are two very different web sites. What we are trying to do is to provide the users with far more then a list of songs, but to offer them albums, deeper dig into the artist, and ways to discover new music.
Cheers
David
wow great tool to listen to music
what about the name though? this isn’t a jogging related site…
reading Roi Carthy’s article left me in the dark
considering how
MeeMix and Last.fm pays royalties while jogli remain free?,
and farther more, how come not
Paying royalties doesn’t harm the artist played on jogli???
dekel: MeeMix & Last.fm license their music and therefore must pay royalties. Jogli is streaming music from YouTube and therefore does not. Is this fair to the artists? Well, that’s a debate on its own. However, if certain artists are unhappy about this they need to contact YouTube directly and request that it take down their material.
This service is ok, but I still think Deezer by far is the best music streaming service on the internet. Its fast, has lots of music, good sound quality and is legal. It has a deal with universal music, which is promising for the future.
Its great with new services like jogli and grooveshark but they cant really be compared to deezer which looks like a clear winner in terms of numbers of users, ad revenue, design, ease of use….
I think music streaming is the next big thing and I´m a little surprised that techcrunch havent written more about a potentially huge company like Deezer.
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Does any one has problems with sound? I cant hear ANY video .. ?!?
But if go the the FW FLV Player webpage the demo video sounds correct. Youtube sound’s ok too.. Cant understand.
Tryied with IE 7, FF 3 and Opera 9.5. Any help.
Thanks in advance.
After giving it a go I still think songza has a much more intuitive, straight forward interface.
Bugsy: TX!! I like the name though…
Dekel: I agree with Roi, anybody who doesn’t want its materials on Jogli can remove them in no time from YouTube
Diogo Figueiredo: We had a small load problem until about an hour ago, (lots of traffic from this article (-; ) but it shouldn’t create the sound problem… can you please try again? If you go on experiencing this problem please contact feedback@jogli.com, or me personally davids@jogli.com - thanks in advance.
Jack: TX for the compliment. I like Deezer and perceive it as a respectable competitor. But, I think the fact Jogli has far more far music, that Jogli is more versatile, that Jogli shows you the entire discography of an artist in an easy manner and that Jogli includes clips and strong video element creates a winning formula. As for users – give us time, we grow much faster! (-;
On one thing both of us are in absolute agreement though: streaming is the future of music, the experience of finding, clicking and listening is the thing!
David Schwartz :
I think your approach is interesting and I personally can´t get enough of innovative music streaming services. So good luck..but how will you monetize this? What are your long term goals?
@ 12 ImageCo -In response to my Comment @ 3
….LoL actually I just typed in ads in a Google search and those where some of the first ones that came up…. they are actual ad’s.
-it’s A jean ad. And next to it one about not wearing fur…
get your mind out of the gutter…. LoL
Seriously it was about adding diversity I see now I should have choose some more sesame Street ad’s -but I thought we where all adults here and we wouldn’t act childish… but here you go - http://img127.imageshack.us/im.....hitiv6.jpg
Does that help you focus better…. LoL
@ 21. Roi Carthy -you said ” It’s important to remember that Jogli sees itself as a *music search engine* as opposed to a *music service*. Having spent time with the company’s CEO and hearing his vision of Jogli, I find this to be a major difference.”
I would have to agree, after using it, it really is pretty cool for finding music, and I kinda use it that way, as something to find Music to listen to as oppose to a music service where I would be looking to download music.
Which for me makes it a priceless asset to whatever music service you do use.. (I use itunes) so I can find new music listen to it and then go buy it if I want.
with jogli -I tend to find a lot of cool tracks I never even knew that artist had.
Jogli really is a cool site. I find it to be one of the best music services i’ve used in years!
Brilliant site! I love it, this is gonna be big soon, I just hope that Youtube allows the freedom for this site and doesnt try to crack down on the video play, this company just needs a little more funding and everything will be ok.
Jack – we intend to put ads at some stage – FYI
Crazyglues, Idan and Daniel – Thanks for the compliments, Daniel – want to invest? Lol. Any suggestion for improvements will be highly appreciated – send directly to me davids@jogli.com
This is just great, I have been waiting for this service for years now I can’t wait to download it now.
Of 5 songs I hit, 4 were not what I requested.
The interface is nowhere near as simple as songza.
I was in this space earlier but deadpooled my site ZiFiMusic because the space is too crowded (though I replaced it with hearwhere.com).
The 500M tracks listings is definately misleading. They are not uniques, as lots of users mash videos, and I think Jogli is considering each result on YouTube to be a different song. They aren’t I’d guess they are more in the 10M track range.
I’m trying to listen to Vince Jones ‘For all colours’, and i’m getting a magic show from disney land with christmas music.
Songza, SeeqPod, Skreemr and a million other similar sites actually work.
The argument of ‘legality’ of music isn’t really valid, as others have mentioned, songza uses the same source, but has nowhere near as many errors (though you will still come up with mislabelled tracks maybe 10% of the time or less.
It’s probably also important to note that of the 500 million “songs”, one-second clips of audio and other junk data is probably being indexed as well. So how much of the content is a ’song’ vs and ‘audio result’ is probably worth looking into…
Soundflavor’s been doing this for awhile, and they’ve got a decent recommendation engine and deeper data about the songs that you can use to search for music too. http://www.soundflavor.com
I’m not an expert in music nor in internet sites but I checked out this site after a friend sent me this article and WWWHHHHWWWOOOOOOOW!
While most “new experience totally revolutionary websites blah blah” that people send me from time to time aren’t really worth the bother, Jogli DOES. Finally, all the beatles albums I like given AS ALBUMS. Thanks!