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		<title>By: GoosPoos :: Something Interesting</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google has the most trusted and transperant system in whatever they do. 
They have not monopolized anything, they have just outdone others.
Bravo google.</description>
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They have not monopolized anything, they have just outdone others.<br />
Bravo google.</p>
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		<title>By: Is the Google Toolbar a Trojan Horse for Ad Targeting? (Ballmer Plays The Privacy Card). &#124; www.Mudahkaya.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2603886</link>
		<dc:creator>Is the Google Toolbar a Trojan Horse for Ad Targeting? (Ballmer Plays The Privacy Card). &#124; www.Mudahkaya.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that Google&#8217;s age of innocence is over, competitors will be bringing up privacy concerns every chance they can. Google already collects so [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Zauberer De Pasco</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2483510</link>
		<dc:creator>Zauberer De Pasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that google is not the problem - you have the coice - use another SE if you like - you`ll perhaps find a better one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that google is not the problem &#8211; you have the coice &#8211; use another SE if you like &#8211; you`ll perhaps find a better one</p>
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		<title>By: fusildechispas &#187; Google: no me simpatizas blogs costa rica blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2464349</link>
		<dc:creator>fusildechispas &#187; Google: no me simpatizas blogs costa rica blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Google no sólo tiene del cuello al mercado de las búsquedas; se queda con casi la mitad de todos los ingresos por publicidad online. Controla YouTube que es, por mucho, amo y señor del video en la red. No [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google no sólo tiene del cuello al mercado de las búsquedas; se queda con casi la mitad de todos los ingresos por publicidad online. Controla YouTube que es, por mucho, amo y señor del video en la red. No [...]</p>
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		<title>By: (Post in German) Google stellt erneut die Weichen für die Zukunft des Web &#171; future facts blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2462360</link>
		<dc:creator>(Post in German) Google stellt erneut die Weichen für die Zukunft des Web &#171; future facts blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will 2008 Be Google’s End Of Innocence? Michael Arrington, TechCrunch Blog 16.6.2008 www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: search engine articles of the week</title>
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		<dc:creator>search engine articles of the week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will 2008 be Google&#8217;s end of innocence? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tech-talk.biz &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Coolness Vs. Openness</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2429285</link>
		<dc:creator>tech-talk.biz &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Coolness Vs. Openness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is also simplicity, things that just work (even if Beta&#8230;), a brand comparable to Apple (for the moment), and a flavor of openness.  Android combines an open platform with the revolutionary concept the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Google and the Parable of the Turkey &#124; Blogging</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2415960</link>
		<dc:creator>Google and the Parable of the Turkey &#124; Blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that means getting more out of its turkeys advertisers. It has unique market power to do this. As Michael Arrington points out on TechCrunch, Google &#8220;controls 60% of the search market and perhaps as much as half of all online [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that means getting more out of its turkeys advertisers. It has unique market power to do this. As Michael Arrington points out on TechCrunch, Google &#8220;controls 60% of the search market and perhaps as much as half of all online [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Roboto</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2395891</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Roboto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole argument is insane!!! 

DEFINITION: Last I checked, a monopoly occurs when consumers have limited access to a variety of products, or limitation of their access to a specific product. A large &quot;marketshare&quot; doesn&#039;t mean a monopoly, though a monopoly usually indicates a large &quot;marketshare.&quot; Having the only product in a market doesn&#039;t make a monopoly (i.e. adsense)

- Google is NOT a monopoly. Google doesn&#039;t &quot;control&quot; anything. Consumers do NOT have limited access to other search engines. Consumers are not in any way limited only to access of Google. 
- Microsoft IS a monopoly. Microsoft does &quot;control&quot; everything when every consumer level computer I try to buy comes with a certain Microsoft operating system pre-installed with IE. 
- Firefox can do whatever they want, because Mozilla is NOT a monopoly.
- IE can&#039;t do whatever they want, because Microsoft IS a monopoly!!!

And last, Microsoft is an operating system with a built in web browser (IE) while GOOGLE is simply a website that you need a browser for.

Its comparing apples to oranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole argument is insane!!! </p>
<p>DEFINITION: Last I checked, a monopoly occurs when consumers have limited access to a variety of products, or limitation of their access to a specific product. A large &#8220;marketshare&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean a monopoly, though a monopoly usually indicates a large &#8220;marketshare.&#8221; Having the only product in a market doesn&#8217;t make a monopoly (i.e. adsense)</p>
<p>- Google is NOT a monopoly. Google doesn&#8217;t &#8220;control&#8221; anything. Consumers do NOT have limited access to other search engines. Consumers are not in any way limited only to access of Google.<br />
- Microsoft IS a monopoly. Microsoft does &#8220;control&#8221; everything when every consumer level computer I try to buy comes with a certain Microsoft operating system pre-installed with IE.<br />
- Firefox can do whatever they want, because Mozilla is NOT a monopoly.<br />
- IE can&#8217;t do whatever they want, because Microsoft IS a monopoly!!!</p>
<p>And last, Microsoft is an operating system with a built in web browser (IE) while GOOGLE is simply a website that you need a browser for.</p>
<p>Its comparing apples to oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Verkooijen</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2383870</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Verkooijen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Falafulu Fisi, how am I suddenly a socialist/communist?!

My point was that Google basically hasn&#039;t produced much since developing a pretty good search engine. Google gets rich off selling advertising in other peoples content, thanks to crypto-socialist internet dogma that has discredited the concept of intellectual property.

The web 2.0 business model relies way too much on free stuff with advertising and increasingly the only one benefiting or making any money is Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Falafulu Fisi, how am I suddenly a socialist/communist?!</p>
<p>My point was that Google basically hasn&#8217;t produced much since developing a pretty good search engine. Google gets rich off selling advertising in other peoples content, thanks to crypto-socialist internet dogma that has discredited the concept of intellectual property.</p>
<p>The web 2.0 business model relies way too much on free stuff with advertising and increasingly the only one benefiting or making any money is Google.</p>
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		<title>By: M2</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2376911</link>
		<dc:creator>M2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not surprised, &quot;Google was never innocent&quot;. They eat the forbidden apple long back. It is just that you are reading out the story from Bible, but thanks anyway to tell the story to everyone.

My organization being a Google AdWord based advertiser in Indian market for quite sometime now (3 years on a row now), what  we have seen is this so called democracy of advertising cost in Google platform finally hurts. There is hardly any optimization strategy works well, on top of that they make it more moronic by providing automated optimisation button which lazy SEM analysts just press without even understanding the trap. 

You don&#039;t have much flexibility anyway, it is not a consumers&#039; market, it is a supplier market, where you don&#039;t have a choice. Google is like T model Ford, and we all need a car.

Over last year our cost of acquisition has gone up almost double and Google is no more a platform for small players like us. It is clearly yet another platform the big guys can use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not surprised, &#8220;Google was never innocent&#8221;. They eat the forbidden apple long back. It is just that you are reading out the story from Bible, but thanks anyway to tell the story to everyone.</p>
<p>My organization being a Google AdWord based advertiser in Indian market for quite sometime now (3 years on a row now), what  we have seen is this so called democracy of advertising cost in Google platform finally hurts. There is hardly any optimization strategy works well, on top of that they make it more moronic by providing automated optimisation button which lazy SEM analysts just press without even understanding the trap. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have much flexibility anyway, it is not a consumers&#8217; market, it is a supplier market, where you don&#8217;t have a choice. Google is like T model Ford, and we all need a car.</p>
<p>Over last year our cost of acquisition has gone up almost double and Google is no more a platform for small players like us. It is clearly yet another platform the big guys can use.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-06-17 &#124; Yostivanich.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2376638</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-06-17 &#124; Yostivanich.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will 2008 Be Google’s End Of Innocence? Probably (tags: google microsoft government business monopoly searchengines) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: metavital's me2DAY</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2376462</link>
		<dc:creator>metavital's me2DAY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;meta의 생각...&lt;/strong&gt;

Google에게도 검색시장 독점이나 개인정보 수집 등의 문제로 정당성의 위기가 올 수 있다. 언제나 그렇지만, &#039;선량한 독점 기업&#039;이라는 건 있을 수 없는 법이기도 하고……...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>meta의 생각&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Google에게도 검색시장 독점이나 개인정보 수집 등의 문제로 정당성의 위기가 올 수 있다. 언제나 그렇지만, &#8216;선량한 독점 기업&#8217;이라는 건 있을 수 없는 법이기도 하고……&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Data and Transparency &#124; Webanalyticsbook - Web Analytics</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2376392</link>
		<dc:creator>Data and Transparency &#124; Webanalyticsbook - Web Analytics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael Arrington over at Techcrunch posted about  Google&#8217;s loss of innocence. Erick followed up today  and wrote about the Google toolbar, that raises privacy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aussiewebmaster</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2376307</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussiewebmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article Michael but I think Google lost its innocence a long time ago and people are finally starting to really notice the fact...

no one cried when they savaged the analytics industry....

not enough people screamed when they used min bids to supposedly get rid of arbitragers at the expense of all advertisers....

not enough complained about the use of Quality Scores for PPC which was another way of them raising the min bids...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article Michael but I think Google lost its innocence a long time ago and people are finally starting to really notice the fact&#8230;</p>
<p>no one cried when they savaged the analytics industry&#8230;.</p>
<p>not enough people screamed when they used min bids to supposedly get rid of arbitragers at the expense of all advertisers&#8230;.</p>
<p>not enough complained about the use of Quality Scores for PPC which was another way of them raising the min bids&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2376306</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus, I cannot believe what I am reading here from socialists &amp; communists attitudes/sympathisers on this thread.  

I bet  120%  that if thugs like Robert Mugabe (Zambabwe) ,  Fidel Castro (Cuba) , Hugo Chávez (Venezuela) , dear leader Kim Jong-il  (North Korea)  are reading comments on this thread, they would be delighted.  It confirmed to them that capitalism is evil after all, since they see communists &amp; socialists calling for legislators (indirectly) to muzzle the productive of the society such as Google via legislation using the anti-trust law. Such interference from the state legislators is quite damaging &amp; destructive to these private companies.

Here are some of those comments:

Matt  said...
&lt;i&gt;They need to decide if they are a search engine (including a relevance-ad distributor), a development platform provider, or an application service provider.&lt;/i&gt;

Scott Cleland  said...
&lt;i&gt;Google is increasingly behaving the way they say they don’t like others to behave.&lt;/i&gt;

Peter Verkooijen said...
&lt;i&gt;What angers me about Google is that they’re trying to have it both ways. On the one hand they’re a normal company out to make money, which is great. I’m all for capitalism. But on the other hand they play this holier-than-thou, do-no-evil crypto-socialist “open internet” game.&lt;/i&gt;


Here is a simple message to socialists/communists on this list. Google doesn&#039;t owe you anything at all, not a single cent. Google only serves the interests of its rightful owners, ie, its shareholders. Google is entitle to run its business the way it sees fit.  It doesn&#039;t have to play darling to whingers with socialists/communists attitude because the market forces will correct how Google run its business and this is based on pure voluntary action between consumers and Google. There is no such thing as anti-competitive in the free market. There is only a better and worse competitor and until socialists/communists on this list realized this fact, then stop moaning about property of others that is not yours. Remember it is free to use , free not to use it.  I bet that commenters with socialists/communists attitude here would be the first one to jump up and down if Google announces that they will start charging for fees for anyone using their search engine. Socialists &amp; communists don&#039;t want to produce, they just want the state to do the nanny on their behalf.  Yep that&#039;s right.  Socialists/communists like nanny state, because they can&#039;t take responsibility for themselves and that is the reason they require the state to nanny them against evil businesses like Google, after all, Google is giving users a free service which is voluntary to join or not to join.

Don&#039;t try to destroy the American dream that your forefathers had fought for  in establishing a great nation. They had a grand vision to protect individual property rights and not to destroy it.  Now you have lobbyists,  whingers (unproductive people of the society) calling for the destruction of the private property  of the productive people &amp; wealth creators of the society such as Google, Microsoft and so forth.  If you keep following this path of   destruction of  private properties (wealth creators economic vehicle), then in a 100 years or so, the US might follow what other former global empires went thru, ie, decline into a ranking of  3rd, 4th, 5th or even lower in terms of economic powerhouse.  Your grandchildren will look up to China, with its many Microsoft-type &amp; Google-type entrepreneurs of the day and wish, how can we be innovative like those wealth creators in China? Your grand children wouldn&#039;t know that the US decline was solely the result of disrespecting private property rights over a hundred year period earlier, ie,  the continual destruction of the private properties of the entrepreneurs &amp; wealth creators. 

Here is a message to Socialists/communists here. Start producing yourself with a product that can compete with Google, and stop moaning about how other property owners are running the business legitimately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus, I cannot believe what I am reading here from socialists &amp; communists attitudes/sympathisers on this thread.  </p>
<p>I bet  120%  that if thugs like Robert Mugabe (Zambabwe) ,  Fidel Castro (Cuba) , Hugo Chávez (Venezuela) , dear leader Kim Jong-il  (North Korea)  are reading comments on this thread, they would be delighted.  It confirmed to them that capitalism is evil after all, since they see communists &amp; socialists calling for legislators (indirectly) to muzzle the productive of the society such as Google via legislation using the anti-trust law. Such interference from the state legislators is quite damaging &amp; destructive to these private companies.</p>
<p>Here are some of those comments:</p>
<p>Matt  said&#8230;<br />
<i>They need to decide if they are a search engine (including a relevance-ad distributor), a development platform provider, or an application service provider.</i></p>
<p>Scott Cleland  said&#8230;<br />
<i>Google is increasingly behaving the way they say they don’t like others to behave.</i></p>
<p>Peter Verkooijen said&#8230;<br />
<i>What angers me about Google is that they’re trying to have it both ways. On the one hand they’re a normal company out to make money, which is great. I’m all for capitalism. But on the other hand they play this holier-than-thou, do-no-evil crypto-socialist “open internet” game.</i></p>
<p>Here is a simple message to socialists/communists on this list. Google doesn&#8217;t owe you anything at all, not a single cent. Google only serves the interests of its rightful owners, ie, its shareholders. Google is entitle to run its business the way it sees fit.  It doesn&#8217;t have to play darling to whingers with socialists/communists attitude because the market forces will correct how Google run its business and this is based on pure voluntary action between consumers and Google. There is no such thing as anti-competitive in the free market. There is only a better and worse competitor and until socialists/communists on this list realized this fact, then stop moaning about property of others that is not yours. Remember it is free to use , free not to use it.  I bet that commenters with socialists/communists attitude here would be the first one to jump up and down if Google announces that they will start charging for fees for anyone using their search engine. Socialists &amp; communists don&#8217;t want to produce, they just want the state to do the nanny on their behalf.  Yep that&#8217;s right.  Socialists/communists like nanny state, because they can&#8217;t take responsibility for themselves and that is the reason they require the state to nanny them against evil businesses like Google, after all, Google is giving users a free service which is voluntary to join or not to join.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to destroy the American dream that your forefathers had fought for  in establishing a great nation. They had a grand vision to protect individual property rights and not to destroy it.  Now you have lobbyists,  whingers (unproductive people of the society) calling for the destruction of the private property  of the productive people &amp; wealth creators of the society such as Google, Microsoft and so forth.  If you keep following this path of   destruction of  private properties (wealth creators economic vehicle), then in a 100 years or so, the US might follow what other former global empires went thru, ie, decline into a ranking of  3rd, 4th, 5th or even lower in terms of economic powerhouse.  Your grandchildren will look up to China, with its many Microsoft-type &amp; Google-type entrepreneurs of the day and wish, how can we be innovative like those wealth creators in China? Your grand children wouldn&#8217;t know that the US decline was solely the result of disrespecting private property rights over a hundred year period earlier, ie,  the continual destruction of the private properties of the entrepreneurs &amp; wealth creators. </p>
<p>Here is a message to Socialists/communists here. Start producing yourself with a product that can compete with Google, and stop moaning about how other property owners are running the business legitimately.</p>
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		<title>By: Google&#8217;s Age of Innocence is over - TechCrunch &#171; The Analytics Guru</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2376227</link>
		<dc:creator>Google&#8217;s Age of Innocence is over - TechCrunch &#171; The Analytics Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Google&#8217;s Age of Innocence is over -&#160;TechCrunch    No surprise here - I&#8217;ve known Google&#8217;s Age of Innocence has been over for at least two years though TechCrunch asks if 2008 Will Be Google’s End Of Innocence? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google&#8217;s Age of Innocence is over -&nbsp;TechCrunch    No surprise here &#8211; I&#8217;ve known Google&#8217;s Age of Innocence has been over for at least two years though TechCrunch asks if 2008 Will Be Google’s End Of Innocence? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Congratulation Tiger &#171; Crastinate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Congratulation Tiger &#171; Crastinate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to be great (some may argue they still are). Google still is great (even though Michael Arrington thinks otherwise). I think WordPress is great. So is Wikipedia, 37 Signals and scores of other companies that are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to be great (some may argue they still are). Google still is great (even though Michael Arrington thinks otherwise). I think WordPress is great. So is Wikipedia, 37 Signals and scores of other companies that are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Harvey-Palmer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2376149</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Harvey-Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anonymous

Thanks for the economics lesson - just went back to my text books (and Google) and could not find anything about Candyland?.  Is this another land that conspiracy theorists have dreamed up?  Just checked my honours degree in economics to make sure it was not issued by the University of Candyland - phew, it wasn&#039;t.  Lucky for that, I was starting to believe that the US Government planned September 11, and that George Bush started the Skull and Bones Club at Yale while he was there!  Fool.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the economics lesson &#8211; just went back to my text books (and Google) and could not find anything about Candyland?.  Is this another land that conspiracy theorists have dreamed up?  Just checked my honours degree in economics to make sure it was not issued by the University of Candyland &#8211; phew, it wasn&#8217;t.  Lucky for that, I was starting to believe that the US Government planned September 11, and that George Bush started the Skull and Bones Club at Yale while he was there!  Fool.</p>
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		<title>By: CleverDonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>CleverDonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who voiced against Google above were penalized by Google for Adsense Fraud/Malpractices. Get a Life !</description>
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		<title>By: Is the Google Toolbar a Trojan Horse for Ad Targetting? (Ballmer Plays The Privacy Card).</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/16/will-2008-be-googles-end-of-innocence/comment-page-2/#comment-2376074</link>
		<dc:creator>Is the Google Toolbar a Trojan Horse for Ad Targetting? (Ballmer Plays The Privacy Card).</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that Google&#8217;s age of innocence is over, competitors will be bringing up privacy concerns every chance they can. Google already collects so [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Verkooijen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Verkooijen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Luke Harvey-Palmer
June 16th, 2008 at 4:36 am
Why does everyone dislike or fear Google?. We live in an open, capitalist economy ... Google never had innocence - it is, was, and always will be a successful company doing their best in a system that encourages and rewards such practices ... free markets regulate themselves! ...&quot;

What angers me about Google is that they&#039;re trying to have it both ways. On the one hand they&#039;re a normal company out to make money, which is great. I&#039;m all for capitalism. But on the other hand they play this holier-than-thou, do-no-evil crypto-socialist &quot;open internet&quot; game.

Google has helped discrediting intellectual property rights. Asking to get paid for content is now considered evil. Everything has to be free with an ad model. Somehow increasingly the only one actually making any money is Google, by selling advertising in other people&#039;s content. Most startups now have no business model other than getting acquired by Google.

It will be hard to repair the damage done without restoring intellectual property rights, including the rights to your own personal/social data. Or perhaps we should push for Google to open source their search technology or open up their ad network to third parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Luke Harvey-Palmer<br />
June 16th, 2008 at 4:36 am<br />
Why does everyone dislike or fear Google?. We live in an open, capitalist economy &#8230; Google never had innocence &#8211; it is, was, and always will be a successful company doing their best in a system that encourages and rewards such practices &#8230; free markets regulate themselves! &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What angers me about Google is that they&#8217;re trying to have it both ways. On the one hand they&#8217;re a normal company out to make money, which is great. I&#8217;m all for capitalism. But on the other hand they play this holier-than-thou, do-no-evil crypto-socialist &#8220;open internet&#8221; game.</p>
<p>Google has helped discrediting intellectual property rights. Asking to get paid for content is now considered evil. Everything has to be free with an ad model. Somehow increasingly the only one actually making any money is Google, by selling advertising in other people&#8217;s content. Most startups now have no business model other than getting acquired by Google.</p>
<p>It will be hard to repair the damage done without restoring intellectual property rights, including the rights to your own personal/social data. Or perhaps we should push for Google to open source their search technology or open up their ad network to third parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Cleland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Cleland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post is dead on.  Google is increasingly behaving the way they say they don&#039;t like others to behave. The deal with Yahoo is a dumb move for Google because they are going out of their way to bait and egg on antitrust authorities... a tell tale sign of zero-self-awareness and that they haven&#039;t figured out that acceptable bahavior for a company with market power is very different than for an average competitor. 
See my take on the GooHoo deal at: http://www.precursorblog.com/node/784
Scott Cleland 
President of Precursor LLC and Chairman of NetCompetition.org which represents broadband interests</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is dead on.  Google is increasingly behaving the way they say they don&#8217;t like others to behave. The deal with Yahoo is a dumb move for Google because they are going out of their way to bait and egg on antitrust authorities&#8230; a tell tale sign of zero-self-awareness and that they haven&#8217;t figured out that acceptable bahavior for a company with market power is very different than for an average competitor.<br />
See my take on the GooHoo deal at: <a href="http://www.precursorblog.com/node/784" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.precursorblog.com/node/784'>http://www.prec...og.com/node/784</a><br />
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		<title>By: Ummm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ummm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MS monopoly is far far different than the Google monopoly. The switching cost for a search engine is low. The information used to build it, free. The switching cost for changing operating systems is high both for the individual in terms of learning curve or cost, as well as interoperability, rebuying all applications, corporations having to obtain new licenses and retrain everyone.

The MS monopoly is far more persistent. Better operating systems can&#039;t beat MS. Whereas, if someone created a disruptively better search than Googlel, it won&#039;t be a huge hurdle for anyone to start using it, and like Infoseek, Altavista, Netscape, Lycos, Excite, and other dominant web properties, they could evaporate overnight.

MS has the luxury of resting on an enormous worldwide path dependency for their operating system that compels virtually anyone to have a copy of it for some purpose, at some time in their lives. I use OSX and Linux for years, and I still am forced to boot into MS once in a while.

As for Google branching out, there is nothing evil about it. Is &quot;Gears&quot; evil? Google has been very good for openness on the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MS monopoly is far far different than the Google monopoly. The switching cost for a search engine is low. The information used to build it, free. The switching cost for changing operating systems is high both for the individual in terms of learning curve or cost, as well as interoperability, rebuying all applications, corporations having to obtain new licenses and retrain everyone.</p>
<p>The MS monopoly is far more persistent. Better operating systems can&#8217;t beat MS. Whereas, if someone created a disruptively better search than Googlel, it won&#8217;t be a huge hurdle for anyone to start using it, and like Infoseek, Altavista, Netscape, Lycos, Excite, and other dominant web properties, they could evaporate overnight.</p>
<p>MS has the luxury of resting on an enormous worldwide path dependency for their operating system that compels virtually anyone to have a copy of it for some purpose, at some time in their lives. I use OSX and Linux for years, and I still am forced to boot into MS once in a while.</p>
<p>As for Google branching out, there is nothing evil about it. Is &#8220;Gears&#8221; evil? Google has been very good for openness on the web.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google was innocent in 2007? Innocent the year swallowed up early stage competitors for a fraction of their ultimate worth then allowed them to rot in obscurity while they engineered lesser quality goods at a slower pace? Innocent the year they tried to stifle innovation in areas of online software as a service just to make sure they got all the credit for an entire sandbox?  Yikes... if that was innocent then, yeah, the rest of 2008 is really gonna suck!

Google = Conflict.  They need to decide if they are a search engine (including a relevance-ad distributor), a development platform provider, or an application service provider.  It&#039;s is pitiful how, each day, more and more services rely on tools from Google to communicate, monetize, and lately even host and data-compute  their applications... this same company (Google) is &quot;hard&quot; :roll: at work engineering a lesser quality product that will come and vanquish the small application relying on them today... it&#039;s a bullshit scheme this wickedly evil company are running over there and more people have got to start calling them out on it.

So as far as &quot;end&quot; of innocence goes?  I&#039;m saying that happened as soon as Google stepped out of the realm of search and began it&#039;s rampage of covert web-application genocide. (Very much &quot;pre&quot; circa-2008).  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google was innocent in 2007? Innocent the year swallowed up early stage competitors for a fraction of their ultimate worth then allowed them to rot in obscurity while they engineered lesser quality goods at a slower pace? Innocent the year they tried to stifle innovation in areas of online software as a service just to make sure they got all the credit for an entire sandbox?  Yikes&#8230; if that was innocent then, yeah, the rest of 2008 is really gonna suck!</p>
<p>Google = Conflict.  They need to decide if they are a search engine (including a relevance-ad distributor), a development platform provider, or an application service provider.  It&#8217;s is pitiful how, each day, more and more services rely on tools from Google to communicate, monetize, and lately even host and data-compute  their applications&#8230; this same company (Google) is &#8220;hard&#8221; <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' />  at work engineering a lesser quality product that will come and vanquish the small application relying on them today&#8230; it&#8217;s a bullshit scheme this wickedly evil company are running over there and more people have got to start calling them out on it.</p>
<p>So as far as &#8220;end&#8221; of innocence goes?  I&#8217;m saying that happened as soon as Google stepped out of the realm of search and began it&#8217;s rampage of covert web-application genocide. (Very much &#8220;pre&#8221; circa-2008).  <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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