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	<title>Comments on: $1.2 Billion For iPhone Apps in 2009. What is Gene Munster Smoking?</title>
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		<title>By: chano</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-3077865</link>
		<dc:creator>chano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the BIG thing you forgot, you fool of a fool, is that the iPod Touch will go to head to head with, and likely overtake the iPhone in Sales. Now factor that into a new set of app sales projections dear moron. 
Also, many millions of iPhone/iTouch users will be out and out app junkies, buying them by the truckload, even at $10 +++. 
Furthermore, the app store gold rush is still in its early infancy. It will mature and so will the apps. Prices will rise. Freebie buyers will upgrade to the paid-for versions. Given what the retards  who pay huge prices for games on PS, XBox and Nintendo etc, $10 app store games will fly higher than anyone (esp morons like you) could ever imagine. 
Read what the Sega folk say about selling games on the Apple MID platform.
This is a v. late comment on your post. And you can see by now, just how wrong you were.
Finally, like everyone else on TC, you are just another hit whore of the crack variety.
FOOL of a fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the BIG thing you forgot, you fool of a fool, is that the iPod Touch will go to head to head with, and likely overtake the iPhone in Sales. Now factor that into a new set of app sales projections dear moron.<br />
Also, many millions of iPhone/iTouch users will be out and out app junkies, buying them by the truckload, even at $10 +++.<br />
Furthermore, the app store gold rush is still in its early infancy. It will mature and so will the apps. Prices will rise. Freebie buyers will upgrade to the paid-for versions. Given what the retards  who pay huge prices for games on PS, XBox and Nintendo etc, $10 app store games will fly higher than anyone (esp morons like you) could ever imagine.<br />
Read what the Sega folk say about selling games on the Apple MID platform.<br />
This is a v. late comment on your post. And you can see by now, just how wrong you were.<br />
Finally, like everyone else on TC, you are just another hit whore of the crack variety.<br />
FOOL of a fool.</p>
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		<title>By: Digipendent &#187; Blog Archive &#187; iPhone Apps More Popular than Music Downloads: 1 Billion DL&#8217;s in Just 9 months. What gives?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2719048</link>
		<dc:creator>Digipendent &#187; Blog Archive &#187; iPhone Apps More Popular than Music Downloads: 1 Billion DL&#8217;s in Just 9 months. What gives?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to what Depeche Mode is now doing with their Season Pass. The ever-resourceful Techcrunch, btw, estimates app store revenues to be $777 Million for 2009 - I would be even more optimistic than that, though, because I expect much higher sales of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to what Depeche Mode is now doing with their Season Pass. The ever-resourceful Techcrunch, btw, estimates app store revenues to be $777 Million for 2009 &#8211; I would be even more optimistic than that, though, because I expect much higher sales of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Larson &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apps are the new Singles: Betting on AppStore Revenue</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2523280</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Larson &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apps are the new Singles: Betting on AppStore Revenue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m be willing to bet on a significantly higher figure for App Store per user average revenue in 2009. Any takers? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Was raucht Gene Munster? at Dem iPhone auf den Zahn gefühlt</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2477865</link>
		<dc:creator>Was raucht Gene Munster? at Dem iPhone auf den Zahn gefühlt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fragt sich Eric Schonfeld bei TechCrunch: I am as much an iPhone cultist as the next guy, but Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster is taking this cult thing a little too far. He estimates that by the end of 2009 there will be 55 million iPhone users and that the iPhone App store alone could be a $1.2 billion business. Whatever he’s smoking, I want some of it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fragt sich Eric Schonfeld bei TechCrunch: I am as much an iPhone cultist as the next guy, but Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster is taking this cult thing a little too far. He estimates that by the end of 2009 there will be 55 million iPhone users and that the iPhone App store alone could be a $1.2 billion business. Whatever he’s smoking, I want some of it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: iPhone Applications: Apple people now believe in a Supreme Being &#124; Monday Note</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2429393</link>
		<dc:creator>iPhone Applications: Apple people now believe in a Supreme Being &#124; Monday Note</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] billion in 2009, according to Gene Munster a Piper Jaffray analyst. (For a healthy counterpoint, see the snarky comments on TechCrunch.) Regardless, the arrival of native applications on the iPhone is a big event, one [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] billion in 2009, according to Gene Munster a Piper Jaffray analyst. (For a healthy counterpoint, see the snarky comments on TechCrunch.) Regardless, the arrival of native applications on the iPhone is a big event, one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: iPhone Sales Predictions: Apple finally outdoes Gene Munster &#124; iPhone Footprint</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2408893</link>
		<dc:creator>iPhone Sales Predictions: Apple finally outdoes Gene Munster &#124; iPhone Footprint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Prediction: Apple will sell 55 million iPhones, and the App Store will earn Apple $1.2 billion annual revenue by the end of 2009. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Phill</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2399502</link>
		<dc:creator>Phill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being involved with iphone development, it is clear to me that some of the figures quoted by the Munster are conservative and some are optimistic. 
App development is fairly easy for the iphone and the apps themselves will specific function apps and therefore relatively simply to create, but do provide a rich and rewarding experience from a UI perspective nonetheless. 
So apps will either be free or &lt;$5.00. 
The iphone handset market, however, will be much greater that the estimates. 
Apple have already increased orders twice, and iphone 2 hasn&#039;t yet been released. So the numbers are already confirmed for 2008 at ~25M.

Four reasons number will be higher than Munsters estimates:
1. For the first time in the PDA market a multitude of compelling specific use apps will drive iphone sales. (think blackberry as one specific use app, then multiply this by factorial x). People buy the Blackberry for its compelling email apps. There will be many of these on the iphone.
2.  The delivery Ecosystem around iTunes is second to none, and at the moment has no competitors.
3.  Apple Marketing, enough said!
4.  The device properties itself and now with full GPS and its User Interface is outstanding and creates even more opportunities for developers.

P..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being involved with iphone development, it is clear to me that some of the figures quoted by the Munster are conservative and some are optimistic.<br />
App development is fairly easy for the iphone and the apps themselves will specific function apps and therefore relatively simply to create, but do provide a rich and rewarding experience from a UI perspective nonetheless.<br />
So apps will either be free or &lt;$5.00.<br />
The iphone handset market, however, will be much greater that the estimates.<br />
Apple have already increased orders twice, and iphone 2 hasn&#8217;t yet been released. So the numbers are already confirmed for 2008 at ~25M.</p>
<p>Four reasons number will be higher than Munsters estimates:<br />
1. For the first time in the PDA market a multitude of compelling specific use apps will drive iphone sales. (think blackberry as one specific use app, then multiply this by factorial x). People buy the Blackberry for its compelling email apps. There will be many of these on the iphone.<br />
2.  The delivery Ecosystem around iTunes is second to none, and at the moment has no competitors.<br />
3.  Apple Marketing, enough said!<br />
4.  The device properties itself and now with full GPS and its User Interface is outstanding and creates even more opportunities for developers.</p>
<p>P..</p>
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		<title>By: XamaX</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2393200</link>
		<dc:creator>XamaX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The genius beauty of it all is that the iPhone will make the Mac market grow hugely too, people will just fall in love with Apple&#039;s &quot;it just works&quot; ecosystem, they&#039;re fed up of the struggling with Windows.

Hey, you don&#039;t have to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The genius beauty of it all is that the iPhone will make the Mac market grow hugely too, people will just fall in love with Apple&#8217;s &#8220;it just works&#8221; ecosystem, they&#8217;re fed up of the struggling with Windows.</p>
<p>Hey, you don&#8217;t have to!</p>
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		<title>By: XamaX</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2393197</link>
		<dc:creator>XamaX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fools!

Munster is the only analyst that is not an anal-yst - he&#039;s the only one that gets Apple! And he&#039;s being conservative, not otherwise.

People will spend big money in apps, not $15 but more like $50 because there will be so many cool apps and people will not stop spending money on their new awesome toy! And for Chinese and India natives in developing countries just as well as for people like European me in developed countries, the iPhone won&#039;t be a toy because it is a handheld computer, it will beat the crap of the EeePC, MSI Wind, HP Mini-notebook and the sorts.

You fools are really out of the loop. iPhone v1 is no basis for what is going to happen. How can you compare, for instance, the monopolized US market, where Apple had to sign an exclusivity agreement, to China plus Russia plus India plus Brazil with multiple iPhone carriers etc.? How can you compare 5 countries with 75+ countries with multiple carriers and retail outlets?!

So many clueless comments!

India natives will spend half a year&#039;s salary on the iPhone buying it on credit like Americans do for their cars, for them the iPhone it&#039;s like a car for Americans! Apps for the iPhone is like shinny Alloy Wheels for American cars!

Not only the *current* India&#039;s or China&#039;s markets are *each of them* bigger than the entire US population - and they&#039;re growing by 20 million per month! - but they also crave the iPhone much more than Westerners! It&#039;ll be higher iPhone penetration in these amazingly huge countries.

The iPhone v1 didn&#039;t take off in Europe because Apple tried to apply the US model there AND Europeans, being way ahead of Americans in that particular industry, shunned iPhone v1 for not having 3G! Now people have been hanging in there patiently waiting for the iPhone 3G for a year that anticipation is completely overboard.

Munster is not writing what he things will happen - he sees how many dumb-Ss are out there that can only look at the past and refrains to tell it like it is.

If you want to have a clue of what&#039;s going to happen, take a look at the iPod, it sells 10 million per month every month! Ok, not every month, in Christmas it sells double that! That&#039;s what the iPhone will sell easily with no ramp up like the iPod and a huge profit margin that it has against the much lower iPod&#039;s one.

It&#039;s so easy to bash at Apple innit? The problem is that you&#039;re seeing this with the eye you have on your rear end - you&#039;re one of those people who face the future with your back! Toni Sacconaghi? Case closed!

Apple has got the Mac business and the iPod business, it is now adding an even bigger &quot;leg&quot; of business, one that will easily outrun the Mac business both in revenue and in profit.

Just watch it happen. Apple has already ordered manufacturing 17 million iPhones to deliver &#039;til end 2008. AND THEY ARE (VERY) CONSERVATIVE!

We&#039;ll come back to call you up on the responsibility - as if you had any!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fools!</p>
<p>Munster is the only analyst that is not an anal-yst &#8211; he&#8217;s the only one that gets Apple! And he&#8217;s being conservative, not otherwise.</p>
<p>People will spend big money in apps, not $15 but more like $50 because there will be so many cool apps and people will not stop spending money on their new awesome toy! And for Chinese and India natives in developing countries just as well as for people like European me in developed countries, the iPhone won&#8217;t be a toy because it is a handheld computer, it will beat the crap of the EeePC, MSI Wind, HP Mini-notebook and the sorts.</p>
<p>You fools are really out of the loop. iPhone v1 is no basis for what is going to happen. How can you compare, for instance, the monopolized US market, where Apple had to sign an exclusivity agreement, to China plus Russia plus India plus Brazil with multiple iPhone carriers etc.? How can you compare 5 countries with 75+ countries with multiple carriers and retail outlets?!</p>
<p>So many clueless comments!</p>
<p>India natives will spend half a year&#8217;s salary on the iPhone buying it on credit like Americans do for their cars, for them the iPhone it&#8217;s like a car for Americans! Apps for the iPhone is like shinny Alloy Wheels for American cars!</p>
<p>Not only the *current* India&#8217;s or China&#8217;s markets are *each of them* bigger than the entire US population &#8211; and they&#8217;re growing by 20 million per month! &#8211; but they also crave the iPhone much more than Westerners! It&#8217;ll be higher iPhone penetration in these amazingly huge countries.</p>
<p>The iPhone v1 didn&#8217;t take off in Europe because Apple tried to apply the US model there AND Europeans, being way ahead of Americans in that particular industry, shunned iPhone v1 for not having 3G! Now people have been hanging in there patiently waiting for the iPhone 3G for a year that anticipation is completely overboard.</p>
<p>Munster is not writing what he things will happen &#8211; he sees how many dumb-Ss are out there that can only look at the past and refrains to tell it like it is.</p>
<p>If you want to have a clue of what&#8217;s going to happen, take a look at the iPod, it sells 10 million per month every month! Ok, not every month, in Christmas it sells double that! That&#8217;s what the iPhone will sell easily with no ramp up like the iPod and a huge profit margin that it has against the much lower iPod&#8217;s one.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so easy to bash at Apple innit? The problem is that you&#8217;re seeing this with the eye you have on your rear end &#8211; you&#8217;re one of those people who face the future with your back! Toni Sacconaghi? Case closed!</p>
<p>Apple has got the Mac business and the iPod business, it is now adding an even bigger &#8220;leg&#8221; of business, one that will easily outrun the Mac business both in revenue and in profit.</p>
<p>Just watch it happen. Apple has already ordered manufacturing 17 million iPhones to deliver &#8217;til end 2008. AND THEY ARE (VERY) CONSERVATIVE!</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll come back to call you up on the responsibility &#8211; as if you had any!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Phredo</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2373928</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Phredo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, before anyone picks on me, that $12 million and $1.2 million should be $12 billion and $1.2 billion.   (Too many years in the UK with old school Brits who still use billion as a for what we call a trillion.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, before anyone picks on me, that $12 million and $1.2 million should be $12 billion and $1.2 billion.   (Too many years in the UK with old school Brits who still use billion as a for what we call a trillion.)</p>
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		<title>By: GorillaTime</title>
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		<dc:creator>GorillaTime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...is it wrong to question the viability of these iPhone native apps altogether?  I am far less familiar than most here.  It seems that everyone is baring down on the numbers while noone is questioning the changes that the 3G infrastructure will have on these ease of nicely rendered platform free websites on the browsers.

Is this wrong to think that Android will just demolish the iPhone apps and any other SDK for a mobile phone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;is it wrong to question the viability of these iPhone native apps altogether?  I am far less familiar than most here.  It seems that everyone is baring down on the numbers while noone is questioning the changes that the 3G infrastructure will have on these ease of nicely rendered platform free websites on the browsers.</p>
<p>Is this wrong to think that Android will just demolish the iPhone apps and any other SDK for a mobile phone?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Phredo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Phredo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that someone can claim &quot;If 70 percent of apps are free, then the chances of every active user purchasing at least one of the apps for sale drops considerably&quot; as an argument to &quot;contradict the Munster math.&quot;  Certainly Mr. Schonfeld knows the old saying that you get what you pay for.  Or maybe not.

Oh, Erick!  The probability distribution of downloading software is not flat!  It&#039;s not some big roulette wheel, where customers make random purchases.  Munster&#039;s estimate is wholly realistic.  With a sticker price in the hundreds of dollars, and monthly fees nominally in mid tens of dollars, you can&#039;t see that on average as many 95% of the users might spend $15 just once in a year&#039;s time?

Every iPhone customer I know -- about 1 in 20 of my friends, which is about average for my demographic as an urban professional -- has bought at least one app, ranging from simple utilities to language translators, and most have spent in excess of $100 on applications that they have found useful.  Therefore, if anything, Munster&#039;s estimate sounds rather low; I myself would estimate the top end might then be as high as $12 million, not a mere $1.2 million.

Heck, even for the freeware they&#039;ve found useful they&#039;ve made $10 and $20 contributions to the author.  Have you?

Of course, my estimate is biased by the fact that my data set is purely people that bought their iPhone as a tool, not as a toy or piece of whiz-bang, shiny-er than thou kitch.  I&#039;m guessing you&#039;re in or toward the latter end of that spectrum.

There are two kinds of software, Erick:  Tools and toys.  Software that allows people to do real things usually has a price tag attached to it; stuff that is free is generally for wasting time, or at best gives the illusion of accomplishing something, which, wait a tick, is actually the worst case of all.

To wax Mr. T on ya, I pity the fool that doesn&#039;t sell his software if it&#039;s a real and useful tool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that someone can claim &#8220;If 70 percent of apps are free, then the chances of every active user purchasing at least one of the apps for sale drops considerably&#8221; as an argument to &#8220;contradict the Munster math.&#8221;  Certainly Mr. Schonfeld knows the old saying that you get what you pay for.  Or maybe not.</p>
<p>Oh, Erick!  The probability distribution of downloading software is not flat!  It&#8217;s not some big roulette wheel, where customers make random purchases.  Munster&#8217;s estimate is wholly realistic.  With a sticker price in the hundreds of dollars, and monthly fees nominally in mid tens of dollars, you can&#8217;t see that on average as many 95% of the users might spend $15 just once in a year&#8217;s time?</p>
<p>Every iPhone customer I know &#8212; about 1 in 20 of my friends, which is about average for my demographic as an urban professional &#8212; has bought at least one app, ranging from simple utilities to language translators, and most have spent in excess of $100 on applications that they have found useful.  Therefore, if anything, Munster&#8217;s estimate sounds rather low; I myself would estimate the top end might then be as high as $12 million, not a mere $1.2 million.</p>
<p>Heck, even for the freeware they&#8217;ve found useful they&#8217;ve made $10 and $20 contributions to the author.  Have you?</p>
<p>Of course, my estimate is biased by the fact that my data set is purely people that bought their iPhone as a tool, not as a toy or piece of whiz-bang, shiny-er than thou kitch.  I&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;re in or toward the latter end of that spectrum.</p>
<p>There are two kinds of software, Erick:  Tools and toys.  Software that allows people to do real things usually has a price tag attached to it; stuff that is free is generally for wasting time, or at best gives the illusion of accomplishing something, which, wait a tick, is actually the worst case of all.</p>
<p>To wax Mr. T on ya, I pity the fool that doesn&#8217;t sell his software if it&#8217;s a real and useful tool!</p>
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		<title>By: Business Technology : IPhone Week Wrap Up: Success with Businesses Hinges on Culture</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2372437</link>
		<dc:creator>Business Technology : IPhone Week Wrap Up: Success with Businesses Hinges on Culture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the disparity in analyst forecasts for iPhone sales. Piper Jaffray predicts that Apple will sell around 60 million iPhones over the next year and a half  Apple says its goal is to sell 10 million by the end of 2008  in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sodapop</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2371689</link>
		<dc:creator>sodapop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If 70 percent of apps are free, then the chances of every active user purchasing at least one of the apps for sale drops considerably.&quot;

I think this is a faulty assumption. All apps are not equal. Some will be better than others, some will be in much greater deman than others. 

Consider Apple and the iPhone, themselves. Logic says they should be failures but they aren&#039;t. I guarantee there will be some for-sale apps that will appeal to  most of the users. Consider the popularity of overpriced ring-tones by here today gone tomorrow pop artists. Believing that the average app expenditures for a year by iPhone users is not so crazy.

The truth is there is no way to guess the success because like most things Apple its all about emotional appeal and that just can&#039;t be quantified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If 70 percent of apps are free, then the chances of every active user purchasing at least one of the apps for sale drops considerably.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is a faulty assumption. All apps are not equal. Some will be better than others, some will be in much greater deman than others. </p>
<p>Consider Apple and the iPhone, themselves. Logic says they should be failures but they aren&#8217;t. I guarantee there will be some for-sale apps that will appeal to  most of the users. Consider the popularity of overpriced ring-tones by here today gone tomorrow pop artists. Believing that the average app expenditures for a year by iPhone users is not so crazy.</p>
<p>The truth is there is no way to guess the success because like most things Apple its all about emotional appeal and that just can&#8217;t be quantified.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Larson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2371572</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://dalelarson.com/2008/06/apps-are-new-singles-betting-on.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Apps are the new Singles!&lt;/a&gt;

I lay out a few reasons why I think so in the post above. 

I&#039;m willing to bet that even the most aggressive paid apps per user estimate will turn out to be low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dalelarson.com/2008/06/apps-are-new-singles-betting-on.html" rel="nofollow">Apps are the new Singles!</a></p>
<p>I lay out a few reasons why I think so in the post above. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to bet that even the most aggressive paid apps per user estimate will turn out to be low.</p>
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		<title>By: HOOCH</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2371500</link>
		<dc:creator>HOOCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Munster is a genius, and you are all jealous because he makes the right predictions, looks good on TV and you&#039;re still making $17 an hour trying to sell insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Munster is a genius, and you are all jealous because he makes the right predictions, looks good on TV and you&#8217;re still making $17 an hour trying to sell insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; 「iPhoneアプリ2009年売上は$1.2B」とGene Munster予想（なにを吸ってるのだ？）</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2371484</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; 「iPhoneアプリ2009年売上は$1.2B」とGene Munster予想（なにを吸ってるのだ？）</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; 「iPhoneアプリ2009年売上は$1.2B」とGene Munster予想（なにを吸ってるのだ？）</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-2/#comment-2371483</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; 「iPhoneアプリ2009年売上は$1.2B」とGene Munster予想（なにを吸ってるのだ？）</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-1/#comment-2371442</link>
		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think $10/user is a reasonable and conservative estimate.  However, what WAS ridiculous is assuming that 70% of the software will be free, based on polling 20 people in a non-random environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think $10/user is a reasonable and conservative estimate.  However, what WAS ridiculous is assuming that 70% of the software will be free, based on polling 20 people in a non-random environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom OKeefe</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-1/#comment-2371440</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom OKeefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being in line with the other analysts does not set you apart from the crowd.  Making absurd high end estimates does.  It also puts you in favor with the company that you&#039;re covering.  Henry Blodget was king of over hyping the internet stocks in the late 1990s and back then people actually thought they knew what they were talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being in line with the other analysts does not set you apart from the crowd.  Making absurd high end estimates does.  It also puts you in favor with the company that you&#8217;re covering.  Henry Blodget was king of over hyping the internet stocks in the late 1990s and back then people actually thought they knew what they were talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: akahn</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-1/#comment-2371433</link>
		<dc:creator>akahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analysis Erick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis Erick!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-1/#comment-2371406</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the &quot;conservative&quot; estimate of 55 milion users is a little high, but I don&#039;t think that $10 per user per year is ridiculous. I think one needs to factor in that the masses are the next adopters of the iPhone, i.e. customers that are less tech savvy than the early adopters. So workarounds like installing a NES emulator, or correctly installing a free program may not be a workable solution to someone with limited tech knowledge. $10 for one video game a year. . .I see this as reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the &#8220;conservative&#8221; estimate of 55 milion users is a little high, but I don&#8217;t think that $10 per user per year is ridiculous. I think one needs to factor in that the masses are the next adopters of the iPhone, i.e. customers that are less tech savvy than the early adopters. So workarounds like installing a NES emulator, or correctly installing a free program may not be a workable solution to someone with limited tech knowledge. $10 for one video game a year. . .I see this as reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: What is an iPhone?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-1/#comment-2371386</link>
		<dc:creator>What is an iPhone?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why there so much hype about this iPhone thing, who would ever want to listen and download music and applications on their phone?  

Plus, the record labels will never allow Apple to sell copyrighted music...plus no one will ever want to spend the time to download music...ASK IBM

Source: FFW to 5:00 into this clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGE61LMwaLo

Seriously, $15/user is minimal, and the forecasts on actual sold units is very reasonable, considering they sold 20M in 1 year, at $399, no GPS and no Exchange support, in 25 countries...at a price point of $199 and all the new bellsand expansion into 75 countries, 50M by end of 2009 is very reasonable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why there so much hype about this iPhone thing, who would ever want to listen and download music and applications on their phone?  </p>
<p>Plus, the record labels will never allow Apple to sell copyrighted music&#8230;plus no one will ever want to spend the time to download music&#8230;ASK IBM</p>
<p>Source: FFW to 5:00 into this clip&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGE61LMwaLo" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGE61LMwaLo'>http://www.yout...h?v=yGE61LMwaLo</a></p>
<p>Seriously, $15/user is minimal, and the forecasts on actual sold units is very reasonable, considering they sold 20M in 1 year, at $399, no GPS and no Exchange support, in 25 countries&#8230;at a price point of $199 and all the new bellsand expansion into 75 countries, 50M by end of 2009 is very reasonable</p>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-1/#comment-2371360</link>
		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you base pricing of apps on such a small statistically invalid sample size of 20 devs?  It&#039;s hard to believe that so many blogs have taken this ridiculous number and run with it.  Garbage in = garbage out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you base pricing of apps on such a small statistically invalid sample size of 20 devs?  It&#8217;s hard to believe that so many blogs have taken this ridiculous number and run with it.  Garbage in = garbage out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Chicago IL</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/12-billion-for-iphone-apps-in-2009-what-is-gene-munster-smoking/comment-page-1/#comment-2371351</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Chicago IL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene Munster is speculating at the markets expense he&#039;s hedging his bets the little greedy ludite this guy is not smart....he&#039;s just greedy..... why do we even giving him an ear to listen..... stop covering him and his exploits....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene Munster is speculating at the markets expense he&#8217;s hedging his bets the little greedy ludite this guy is not smart&#8230;.he&#8217;s just greedy&#8230;.. why do we even giving him an ear to listen&#8230;.. stop covering him and his exploits&#8230;.</p>
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