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		<title>By: Crowd Science Entry Level Jobs &#124; One Day, One Job</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2533096</link>
		<dc:creator>Crowd Science Entry Level Jobs &#124; One Day, One Job</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paul Neto (Crowd Science)</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2354027</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Neto (Crowd Science)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disclaimer: This post is from Crowd Science, and I promise to try and keep it short and sweet.

All forms of research whether they be polls, surveys, focus groups, or mall intercepts, inherit some form of bias. In part, poor research methodologies have lead to a &#039;taint&#039; in perceptions to the industry. The Internet has been abused and not properly utilized when it comes to research.

Polls, surveys and all other forms are different beasts by nature. Each have it&#039;s strengths and weaknesses and all are valid as long as the methods and results are used appropriately and interpreted with care.

Heavy clickers and professional survey takers exist, and many are trying to minimize their negative impact on polling, surveying, and advertising. We in fact are very careful that we integrate with a site successfully, remain sensitive to the user experience, and take pride in our adherence to sound research fundamentals.

Crowd Science Demographics also uses a zero-footprint approach. It takes up no permanent page real estate and can live along side any existing polls, advertising or other widgets. We simply only leave a small and polite trace on a small number of visitors. After all, it&#039;s part of our research rigor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclaimer: This post is from Crowd Science, and I promise to try and keep it short and sweet.</p>
<p>All forms of research whether they be polls, surveys, focus groups, or mall intercepts, inherit some form of bias. In part, poor research methodologies have lead to a &#8216;taint&#8217; in perceptions to the industry. The Internet has been abused and not properly utilized when it comes to research.</p>
<p>Polls, surveys and all other forms are different beasts by nature. Each have it&#8217;s strengths and weaknesses and all are valid as long as the methods and results are used appropriately and interpreted with care.</p>
<p>Heavy clickers and professional survey takers exist, and many are trying to minimize their negative impact on polling, surveying, and advertising. We in fact are very careful that we integrate with a site successfully, remain sensitive to the user experience, and take pride in our adherence to sound research fundamentals.</p>
<p>Crowd Science Demographics also uses a zero-footprint approach. It takes up no permanent page real estate and can live along side any existing polls, advertising or other widgets. We simply only leave a small and polite trace on a small number of visitors. After all, it&#8217;s part of our research rigor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Adair</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2352372</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice idea. I&#039;ve plugged it in, though it can&#039;t validate the script on my site, yet I can search for it just fine if I view the source.

Also, you can&#039;t change the questions? I have questions specific to my audience I would like to ask, such as what motorcycle they own, if they plan on buying a new one soon, if they plan on buying new parts soon, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice idea. I&#8217;ve plugged it in, though it can&#8217;t validate the script on my site, yet I can search for it just fine if I view the source.</p>
<p>Also, you can&#8217;t change the questions? I have questions specific to my audience I would like to ask, such as what motorcycle they own, if they plan on buying a new one soon, if they plan on buying new parts soon, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Beltramo</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2351232</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Beltramo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disclosure: This post is from Vizu, a web poll based audience characterization service mentioned in the original post.

Visitor demographics are valuable to webmasters and bloggers, not only for selling advertising, but also for developing content more suited to the audience.

How data is collected is also very important from both a data validity p.o.v. and a user experience p.o.v.

Data Validity:
Inviting people to participate in surveys via ads as described above is subject to significant bias.   Reference Dave Morgan&#039;s article &quot;Outing the Heavy Clicker&quot; on Mediapost which, among other things, states...
&quot;Who are these “heavy clickers”? They are predominantly female, indexing at a rate almost double the male population. They are older. They are predominantly Midwesterners, with some concentrations in Mid-Atlantic States and in New England. What kinds of content do they like to view when they are on the Web? Not surprisingly, they look at sweepstakes far more than any other kind of content. Yes, these are the same people that tend to open direct mail and love to talk to telemarketers.&quot;

Polls that are elegantly integrated into a site, like those offered by Vizu&#039;s Power-Polls service, can &quot;train&quot; visitors  to participate over time by featuring interesting, contextually relevant polls.  As a result, they can generate much broader and higher participation rates than invitations to participate in surveys.  The improved participation, in turn, can lead to higher quality data about site visitors.

All sections of your site are not equal.   To really understand your audience, you may need to understand whether or not different demographics frequent different sections of your site.   At Vizu, we have seen sites that have drastically different types of visitors on different sections of the site.   Consequently, we designed our Power-Polls service to be able to assess demographics on various sections of a site separately and then roll all of the data into a top level view.

User Experience:
People love polls and generally are not big fans of surveys.  Having worked with 1000&#039;s of web publishers at Vizu, one of the concerns we heard loud and clear was that of maintaining a high quality visitor experience.  Most publishers did not feel that taking their visitors off site to complete a lengthy survey for which there was no reward fit their conception of a positive user experience.  On the other hand,  many sites get very positive responses from their regular visitors regarding the addition of high quality polling content that offers the opportunity for instantaneous self expression and self assessment.  Additionally, given the low click through rates for ads, many sites are not keen on allocating a lot of valuable real estate and impressions to solicitations to take surveys.

Ease of Use:
If you are going to go through the trouble to paste some code on your site to gather visitor demographics, why not paste some code that does more than just that solicit visitors to take a demographic survey?  A good polling platform will help you engage your visitors and can improve your site experience.  Sites can even opt into professionally produced, contextually relevant polls or rotate in your own polls which you can use as the basis for additional content.


All this is not to say that surveys do not have their place, it just depends what your over all objectives are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclosure: This post is from Vizu, a web poll based audience characterization service mentioned in the original post.</p>
<p>Visitor demographics are valuable to webmasters and bloggers, not only for selling advertising, but also for developing content more suited to the audience.</p>
<p>How data is collected is also very important from both a data validity p.o.v. and a user experience p.o.v.</p>
<p>Data Validity:<br />
Inviting people to participate in surveys via ads as described above is subject to significant bias.   Reference Dave Morgan&#8217;s article &#8220;Outing the Heavy Clicker&#8221; on Mediapost which, among other things, states&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Who are these “heavy clickers”? They are predominantly female, indexing at a rate almost double the male population. They are older. They are predominantly Midwesterners, with some concentrations in Mid-Atlantic States and in New England. What kinds of content do they like to view when they are on the Web? Not surprisingly, they look at sweepstakes far more than any other kind of content. Yes, these are the same people that tend to open direct mail and love to talk to telemarketers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Polls that are elegantly integrated into a site, like those offered by Vizu&#8217;s Power-Polls service, can &#8220;train&#8221; visitors  to participate over time by featuring interesting, contextually relevant polls.  As a result, they can generate much broader and higher participation rates than invitations to participate in surveys.  The improved participation, in turn, can lead to higher quality data about site visitors.</p>
<p>All sections of your site are not equal.   To really understand your audience, you may need to understand whether or not different demographics frequent different sections of your site.   At Vizu, we have seen sites that have drastically different types of visitors on different sections of the site.   Consequently, we designed our Power-Polls service to be able to assess demographics on various sections of a site separately and then roll all of the data into a top level view.</p>
<p>User Experience:<br />
People love polls and generally are not big fans of surveys.  Having worked with 1000&#8217;s of web publishers at Vizu, one of the concerns we heard loud and clear was that of maintaining a high quality visitor experience.  Most publishers did not feel that taking their visitors off site to complete a lengthy survey for which there was no reward fit their conception of a positive user experience.  On the other hand,  many sites get very positive responses from their regular visitors regarding the addition of high quality polling content that offers the opportunity for instantaneous self expression and self assessment.  Additionally, given the low click through rates for ads, many sites are not keen on allocating a lot of valuable real estate and impressions to solicitations to take surveys.</p>
<p>Ease of Use:<br />
If you are going to go through the trouble to paste some code on your site to gather visitor demographics, why not paste some code that does more than just that solicit visitors to take a demographic survey?  A good polling platform will help you engage your visitors and can improve your site experience.  Sites can even opt into professionally produced, contextually relevant polls or rotate in your own polls which you can use as the basis for additional content.</p>
<p>All this is not to say that surveys do not have their place, it just depends what your over all objectives are.</p>
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		<title>By: Budleigh Salterton</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2350636</link>
		<dc:creator>Budleigh Salterton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mention, web-based semantic analysis seems too much like an overly complicated tech novelty, and &quot;social media&quot; is a really, really narrow platform for that, if you look at it closely. This seems to bridge to dynamic accuracy really well, anyways - there&#039;s no indication that trends can outrun surveys, let alone lightweight ones like CS uses. Why make it more complicated than it has to be? Not only is more complexity an unnecessary hassle, but in this case, it seems like it would lose to simplicity outright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention, web-based semantic analysis seems too much like an overly complicated tech novelty, and &#8220;social media&#8221; is a really, really narrow platform for that, if you look at it closely. This seems to bridge to dynamic accuracy really well, anyways &#8211; there&#8217;s no indication that trends can outrun surveys, let alone lightweight ones like CS uses. Why make it more complicated than it has to be? Not only is more complexity an unnecessary hassle, but in this case, it seems like it would lose to simplicity outright.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2350522</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, Crowd Science is going to be running into one major problem: people need to honestly take these surveys for the site to have any real value.

We used these types of surveys while I worked at Nielsen Online in New Zealand. The product is called Market Intelligence. The surveys are surprisingly accurate and do reflect the users on the sites. For example a site aimed at teenage girls does show a massive skew to teenage girls. Sites aimed at business and finance do show a large skew to male, educated, high income earners. 

I was sceptical when I first saw the surveys to but the do work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Crowd Science is going to be running into one major problem: people need to honestly take these surveys for the site to have any real value.</p>
<p>We used these types of surveys while I worked at Nielsen Online in New Zealand. The product is called Market Intelligence. The surveys are surprisingly accurate and do reflect the users on the sites. For example a site aimed at teenage girls does show a massive skew to teenage girls. Sites aimed at business and finance do show a large skew to male, educated, high income earners. </p>
<p>I was sceptical when I first saw the surveys to but the do work.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2350521</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, Crowd Science is going to be running into one major problem: people need to honestly take these surveys for the site to have any real value.

We used these types of surveys while I worked at Nielsen Online in New Zealand. The product is called Market Intelligence. The surveys are surprisingly accurate and do reflect the users on the sites. For example a site aimed at teenage girls does show a massive skew to teenage girls. Sites aimed at business and finance do show a large skew to male, educated, high income earners. 

I was sceptical when I first saw the surveys to but the do work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Crowd Science is going to be running into one major problem: people need to honestly take these surveys for the site to have any real value.</p>
<p>We used these types of surveys while I worked at Nielsen Online in New Zealand. The product is called Market Intelligence. The surveys are surprisingly accurate and do reflect the users on the sites. For example a site aimed at teenage girls does show a massive skew to teenage girls. Sites aimed at business and finance do show a large skew to male, educated, high income earners. </p>
<p>I was sceptical when I first saw the surveys to but the do work.</p>
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		<title>By: Budleigh Salterton</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2350518</link>
		<dc:creator>Budleigh Salterton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see how surveys will dwindle into obsolescence, whatever form they take going forward. Foregoing the development of magic, it&#039;s my opinion that there is no way to realize the identities and attitudes of the traffic except to ASK them.

As for how that&#039;s done - I don&#039;t really like the incentives idea. After all, incentives are what started the decay of the information being provided by panels and other analysis software of old, so it seems to me like honesty (and therefore a higher value) can only be found in voluntary, un-coaxed responses. Crowd Science seems to have a handle on these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see how surveys will dwindle into obsolescence, whatever form they take going forward. Foregoing the development of magic, it&#8217;s my opinion that there is no way to realize the identities and attitudes of the traffic except to ASK them.</p>
<p>As for how that&#8217;s done &#8211; I don&#8217;t really like the incentives idea. After all, incentives are what started the decay of the information being provided by panels and other analysis software of old, so it seems to me like honesty (and therefore a higher value) can only be found in voluntary, un-coaxed responses. Crowd Science seems to have a handle on these things.</p>
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		<title>By: smcnally</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2350403</link>
		<dc:creator>smcnally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Martin Edic and others: agreed that these types of intercept surveys skew results. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;All forms of measurement and analysis do&lt;/a&gt;. Somewhat agree surveys are &quot;going away;&quot; that&#039;ll take years.

But, as the tools to judge sentiment based on actual usage and interaction mature, why wouldn&#039;t you avail of both data sets: looking at what someone tells you they want as well as they&#039;re actual behavior should be at least twice as interesting as one or the other, no?

If you&#039;ve got both available, why not avail of the belt and braces, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Martin Edic and others: agreed that these types of intercept surveys skew results. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect" rel="nofollow">All forms of measurement and analysis do</a>. Somewhat agree surveys are &#8220;going away;&#8221; that&#8217;ll take years.</p>
<p>But, as the tools to judge sentiment based on actual usage and interaction mature, why wouldn&#8217;t you avail of both data sets: looking at what someone tells you they want as well as they&#8217;re actual behavior should be at least twice as interesting as one or the other, no?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve got both available, why not avail of the belt and braces, too?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Church</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2350268</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John Martin, Great communication and transparency. Well Done.

Traditional marketing folk love demographics, but the new ones love implicit data. We&#039;ll see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Martin, Great communication and transparency. Well Done.</p>
<p>Traditional marketing folk love demographics, but the new ones love implicit data. We&#8217;ll see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Hunkins</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2350242</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Hunkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we are all barraged with more and more information, contact requests, and &quot;offers&quot; my hypothesis is that this type of voluntary participation survey is at risk of measuring mostly the demographics of people who &quot;don&#039;t have a life&quot; rather than a cross section of users.

Incentives might help, though they distort metrics in other ways.  

Ultimately though I think we must move *way* past the survey stage, and work harder to measure the implications of the clickstream, time spent on pages, etc.   Those are objective numbers that reflect what people really do rather than the more dubious what they say they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we are all barraged with more and more information, contact requests, and &#8220;offers&#8221; my hypothesis is that this type of voluntary participation survey is at risk of measuring mostly the demographics of people who &#8220;don&#8217;t have a life&#8221; rather than a cross section of users.</p>
<p>Incentives might help, though they distort metrics in other ways.  </p>
<p>Ultimately though I think we must move *way* past the survey stage, and work harder to measure the implications of the clickstream, time spent on pages, etc.   Those are objective numbers that reflect what people really do rather than the more dubious what they say they do.</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; サイトのデモグラフィーを解析、報道資料も作れる「Crowd Science」（招待あり）</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349962</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; サイトのデモグラフィーを解析、報道資料も作れる「Crowd Science」（招待あり）</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349956</link>
		<dc:creator>John Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

I just wanted to chime in and let you know that we&#039;re floored with the response, figuratively and literally.

I think we&#039;ve got load under control now. (Joyent have been fantastic this morning responding quickly and bumping our capacity -- thanks Linda and Blake!)

I also wanted to let you know that we have certain protections built into the system for when we run into load issues. Specifically, the initial request that our publisher websites make is for a tiny static file (called start.js) that gets served from a CDN. The request to our application servers is made after the page completes loading, so if it&#039;s slow, as it was this morning for WatkinsCJ, then it shouldn&#039;t have any adverse affect on visitors. Except the ones watching response times in Firebug. ;-)

Anyway, thanks again for the response, and we&#039;ll keep everybody updated.

And thanks Jason for the coverage, much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I just wanted to chime in and let you know that we&#8217;re floored with the response, figuratively and literally.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ve got load under control now. (Joyent have been fantastic this morning responding quickly and bumping our capacity &#8212; thanks Linda and Blake!)</p>
<p>I also wanted to let you know that we have certain protections built into the system for when we run into load issues. Specifically, the initial request that our publisher websites make is for a tiny static file (called start.js) that gets served from a CDN. The request to our application servers is made after the page completes loading, so if it&#8217;s slow, as it was this morning for WatkinsCJ, then it shouldn&#8217;t have any adverse affect on visitors. Except the ones watching response times in Firebug. <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again for the response, and we&#8217;ll keep everybody updated.</p>
<p>And thanks Jason for the coverage, much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: RabbleDabble</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349935</link>
		<dc:creator>RabbleDabble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349935</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rabbledabble.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RabbleDabble.com &lt;/a&gt; has joined the Beta group and is trying this out in a trial period for evaluation.  Seems like a great idea but we&#039;ll have to wait til the end of the evaluation until we can report more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.rabbledabble.com" rel="nofollow">RabbleDabble.com </a> has joined the Beta group and is trying this out in a trial period for evaluation.  Seems like a great idea but we&#8217;ll have to wait til the end of the evaluation until we can report more!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Neto</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349914</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Neto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349914</guid>
		<description>It&#039;s launch morning and response has been fantastic. We&#039;re trying to bring in as many beta participants as possible so please be patient. We&#039;ll keep bringing in more as we can.
Thanks all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s launch morning and response has been fantastic. We&#8217;re trying to bring in as many beta participants as possible so please be patient. We&#8217;ll keep bringing in more as we can.<br />
Thanks all!</p>
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		<title>By: WatkinsCJ</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349895</link>
		<dc:creator>WatkinsCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349895</guid>
		<description>Nevermind, link works now but JavaScript loading still slow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind, link works now but JavaScript loading still slow.</p>
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		<title>By: WatkinsCJ</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349891</link>
		<dc:creator>WatkinsCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349891</guid>
		<description>It seems they are having issues over there. I added the JS to my test site and I am noticing 10,000 ms request times. Also, it seems like a lot of their links on the front page are missing.

For example: http://www.crowdscience.com/overview/ is 404</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems they are having issues over there. I added the JS to my test site and I am noticing 10,000 ms request times. Also, it seems like a lot of their links on the front page are missing.</p>
<p>For example: <a href="http://www.crowdscience.com/overview/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.crowdscience.com/overview/'>http://www.crow...e.com/overview/</a> is 404</p>
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		<title>By: Haha</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349742</link>
		<dc:creator>Haha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349742</guid>
		<description>This is what I got. Django seems to be quite popular these days :-). 

MOD_PYTHON ERROR

ProcessId:      24006
Interpreter:    &#039;westley_django&#039;

ServerName:     &#039;app.crowdscience.com&#039;
DocumentRoot:   &#039;/opt/csw/apache2/share/htdocs/westley&#039;

URI:            &#039;/signin/&#039;
Location:       None
Directory:      None
Filename:       &#039;/opt/csw/apache2/share/htdocs/westley/signin&#039;
PathInfo:       &#039;/&#039;

Phase:          &#039;PythonHandler&#039;
Handler:        &#039;django.core.handlers.modpython&#039;

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File &quot;/opt/csw/lib/python/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py&quot;, line 1537, in HandlerDispatch
    default=default_handler, arg=req, silent=hlist.silent)

  File &quot;/opt/csw/lib/python/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py&quot;, line 1202, in _process_target
    module = import_module(module_name, path=path)

  File &quot;/opt/csw/lib/python/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py&quot;, line 304, in import_module
    return __import__(module_name, {}, {}, [&#039;*&#039;])

ImportError: No module named django.core.handlers.modpython</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what I got. Django seems to be quite popular these days <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . </p>
<p>MOD_PYTHON ERROR</p>
<p>ProcessId:      24006<br />
Interpreter:    &#8216;westley_django&#8217;</p>
<p>ServerName:     &#8216;app.crowdscience.com&#8217;<br />
DocumentRoot:   &#8216;/opt/csw/apache2/share/htdocs/westley&#8217;</p>
<p>URI:            &#8216;/signin/&#8217;<br />
Location:       None<br />
Directory:      None<br />
Filename:       &#8216;/opt/csw/apache2/share/htdocs/westley/signin&#8217;<br />
PathInfo:       &#8216;/&#8217;</p>
<p>Phase:          &#8216;PythonHandler&#8217;<br />
Handler:        &#8216;django.core.handlers.modpython&#8217;</p>
<p>Traceback (most recent call last):</p>
<p>  File &#8220;/opt/csw/lib/python/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py&#8221;, line 1537, in HandlerDispatch<br />
    default=default_handler, arg=req, silent=hlist.silent)</p>
<p>  File &#8220;/opt/csw/lib/python/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py&#8221;, line 1202, in _process_target<br />
    module = import_module(module_name, path=path)</p>
<p>  File &#8220;/opt/csw/lib/python/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py&#8221;, line 304, in import_module<br />
    return __import__(module_name, {}, {}, ['*'])</p>
<p>ImportError: No module named django.core.handlers.modpython</p>
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		<title>By: The Big K</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349711</link>
		<dc:creator>The Big K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349711</guid>
		<description>Yahoo! :-)

Thanks for the invite. I&#039;m in! Let me see if this thing really works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahoo! <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the invite. I&#8217;m in! Let me see if this thing really works!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Woelker</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349705</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Woelker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349705</guid>
		<description>I&#039;ve implemented it. We&#039;ll see what kind of metrics I can get, if any at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve implemented it. We&#8217;ll see what kind of metrics I can get, if any at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Alberto Nardelli</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349678</link>
		<dc:creator>Alberto Nardelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349678</guid>
		<description>Totally agree with comment #2.

For example on UnLtdWorld we have a platform called the Research Lab: http://www.unltdworld.com/lab (and featured here on TCUK: http://uk.techcrunch.com/2008/05/25/unltdworld-has-some-new-features-and-i-have-a-suggestion/ ) that provides insights into demographics (and more) dynamically (as a side not this is not for advertising, but to openly provide critical social insights to social entrepreneurs, relevant organisations and research).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with comment #2.</p>
<p>For example on UnLtdWorld we have a platform called the Research Lab: <a href="http://www.unltdworld.com/lab" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.unltdworld.com/lab'>http://www.unltdworld.com/lab</a> (and featured here on TCUK: <a href="http://uk.techcrunch.com/2008/05/25/unltdworld-has-some-new-features-and-i-have-a-suggestion/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://uk.techcrunch.com/2008/05/25/unltdworld-has-some-new-features-and-i-have-a-suggestion/'>http://uk.techc...e-a-suggestion/</a> ) that provides insights into demographics (and more) dynamically (as a side not this is not for advertising, but to openly provide critical social insights to social entrepreneurs, relevant organisations and research).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott A</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349661</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349661</guid>
		<description>Their logo looks strangely familiar...anybody remember AudioGalaxy?

[ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nezinau.lt/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/audiogalaxy524.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Logo here&lt;/a&gt; ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their logo looks strangely familiar&#8230;anybody remember AudioGalaxy?</p>
<p>[ <a href="http://www.nezinau.lt/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/audiogalaxy524.gif" rel="nofollow">Logo here</a> ]</p>
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		<title>By: searchgov</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349639</link>
		<dc:creator>searchgov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349639</guid>
		<description>where would omniture and company would go now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where would omniture and company would go now</p>
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		<title>By: Marcio Lima</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349634</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcio Lima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349634</guid>
		<description>Thanks TC,, lets try,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks TC,, lets try,</p>
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		<title>By: Pallab</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/comment-page-1/#comment-2349626</link>
		<dc:creator>Pallab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/crowd-science-google-analytics-for-demographics/#comment-2349626</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, Crowd Science is going to be running into one major problem: people need to honestly take these surveys for the site to have any real value.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I actually think that people are more likely to be honest if there isnt any (monetary) incentive. There are many websites which offer to conduct surveys that pay people for their opinion.  In such cases people just join to earn money.
However since people are volunterily opting for the survery, they are doing it just out of interest and are more likely to be honest.
But the question is &lt;strong&gt;how many people are actually going to opt for the survey?&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course, Crowd Science is going to be running into one major problem: people need to honestly take these surveys for the site to have any real value.</p></blockquote>
<p>I actually think that people are more likely to be honest if there isnt any (monetary) incentive. There are many websites which offer to conduct surveys that pay people for their opinion.  In such cases people just join to earn money.<br />
However since people are volunterily opting for the survery, they are doing it just out of interest and are more likely to be honest.<br />
But the question is <strong>how many people are actually going to opt for the survey?</strong></p>
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