Comments on: Ztail Wants To Be The Kelley Blue Book For Everything http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/ Startup and Technology News Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:18:30 -0800 hourly 1 By: The Far Edge » Blog Archive » Ztail Launches Innovative eBay Guarantee For Worry-Free Shopping http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2692199 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » Ztail Launches Innovative eBay Guarantee For Worry-Free Shopping Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:04:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2692199 [...] year Ztail launched as a Kelley Blue Book For Everything, allowing users to appraise each other’s possesions and giving them an easy way to sell them [...] [...] year Ztail launched as a Kelley Blue Book For Everything, allowing users to appraise each other’s possesions and giving them an easy way to sell them [...]

]]> By: The New Green Movement » Ztail Launches Innovative eBay Guarantee For Worry-Free Shopping http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2690671 The New Green Movement » Ztail Launches Innovative eBay Guarantee For Worry-Free Shopping Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:18:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2690671 [...] year Ztail launched as a Kelley Blue Book For Everything, allowing users to appraise each other’s possesions and giving them an easy way to sell them [...] [...] year Ztail launched as a Kelley Blue Book For Everything, allowing users to appraise each other’s possesions and giving them an easy way to sell them [...]

]]> By: Trade Jim News » Blog Archive » Ztail Launches Innovative eBay Guarantee For Worry-Free Shopping http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2690667 Trade Jim News » Blog Archive » Ztail Launches Innovative eBay Guarantee For Worry-Free Shopping Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:16:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2690667 [...] year Ztail launched as a Kelley Blue Book For Everything, allowing users to appraise each other’s possesions and giving them an easy way to sell them [...] [...] year Ztail launched as a Kelley Blue Book For Everything, allowing users to appraise each other’s possesions and giving them an easy way to sell them [...]

]]> By: Ztail Launches Innovative eBay Guarantee For Worry-Free Shopping http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2690642 Ztail Launches Innovative eBay Guarantee For Worry-Free Shopping Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:57:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2690642 [...] year Ztail launched as a Kelley Blue Book For Everything, allowing users to appraise each other’s possesions and giving them an easy way to sell them [...] [...] year Ztail launched as a Kelley Blue Book For Everything, allowing users to appraise each other’s possesions and giving them an easy way to sell them [...]

]]> By: Ztail » Blog Archive » Launched! http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2494186 Ztail » Blog Archive » Launched! Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:55:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2494186 [...] Woohoo, we launched today and are excited to show the new Ztail to the world. Day one and we’ve already got some decent chatter from an article on TechCrunch. Check it out here. [...] [...] Woohoo, we launched today and are excited to show the new Ztail to the world. Day one and we’ve already got some decent chatter from an article on TechCrunch. Check it out here. [...]

]]> By: Healthy Intensive » Blog Archive » Exclusive Offer For TechCrunch Readers: Sell Your Old iPhone For Quick Cash http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2411955 Healthy Intensive » Blog Archive » Exclusive Offer For TechCrunch Readers: Sell Your Old iPhone For Quick Cash Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:06:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2411955 [...] the startup that wants to be a Kelley Blue Book for everything, is looking to help. The site is offering TechCrunch readers two options for selling their iPhones [...] [...] the startup that wants to be a Kelley Blue Book for everything, is looking to help. The site is offering TechCrunch readers two options for selling their iPhones [...]

]]> By: Exclusive Offer For TechCrunch Readers: Sell Your iPhone For Quick Cash http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2395657 Exclusive Offer For TechCrunch Readers: Sell Your iPhone For Quick Cash Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:32:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2395657 [...] the startup that wants to be a Kelley Blue Book for everything, is looking to help. The site is offering TechCrunch readers two options for selling their iPhones [...] [...] the startup that wants to be a Kelley Blue Book for everything, is looking to help. The site is offering TechCrunch readers two options for selling their iPhones [...]

]]> By: SDavinci http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2338399 SDavinci Fri, 30 May 2008 20:07:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2338399 To all the hard work that Ztail and their staff did - great job, but this to will not work - their original offering to help people list items for sale on eBay and then publish those listings on blogs or social networks failed. This is why they’ve morphed to this new “What’s It Worth” model. The problem with this has been previously mentioned - no one cares what “you (or I)” think an item is worth; only what someone will actually pay for it. Epinions reviews and other similar “wisdom of crowds” sites work because there isn’t a “definitive authority” - so there is value derived by viewer from the collective group input(s). With Ztail there is a “definitive authority” it’s what that person who is interested in that item will actually pay or has paid (on a historical basis - those less relevant based on current price fluctuations) - so what a group says means really nothing. This site and its model is fundamentally an eBay listing tool which doesn’t materially assist households to overcome the challenges inherent on eBay which keeps them from selling on eBay or Amazon today. Households/consumers don’t have reputations so buyers are less likely to purchase due to the potential of fraud, the cumbersome listing and time consuming auction process, fraud from buyers and as previously mentioned in earlier posts, if you have multiple items to list (say DVDs, CDs, mobile phones, iPods, etc) you have to sell and ship each one individually - so if you have dozens of CDs/DVDs, a few cellphones and an iPod or two you potentially would dozens of shipments - and the vast majority of us are to busy for this versus the potential return. The only real answer is the “Buyback” sites of BuybackDirect.com, SecondRotation.com, BuybackMadness.com, Nexworth.com and many others. Here you’ll get a price for the item (consumer media and electronics) immediately, ship all of the items to them and receive your funds via check or Paypal, many times in less time than to conduct an auction. Its a little bit less than you would receive on your own, but a lot less hassle and a better use of ones time. To all the hard work that Ztail and their staff did – great job, but this to will not work – their original offering to help people list items for sale on eBay and then publish those listings on blogs or social networks failed. This is why they’ve morphed to this new “What’s It Worth” model. The problem with this has been previously mentioned – no one cares what “you (or I)” think an item is worth; only what someone will actually pay for it. Epinions reviews and other similar “wisdom of crowds” sites work because there isn’t a “definitive authority” – so there is value derived by viewer from the collective group input(s). With Ztail there is a “definitive authority” it’s what that person who is interested in that item will actually pay or has paid (on a historical basis – those less relevant based on current price fluctuations) – so what a group says means really nothing.

This site and its model is fundamentally an eBay listing tool which doesn’t materially assist households to overcome the challenges inherent on eBay which keeps them from selling on eBay or Amazon today. Households/consumers don’t have reputations so buyers are less likely to purchase due to the potential of fraud, the cumbersome listing and time consuming auction process, fraud from buyers and as previously mentioned in earlier posts, if you have multiple items to list (say DVDs, CDs, mobile phones, iPods, etc) you have to sell and ship each one individually – so if you have dozens of CDs/DVDs, a few cellphones and an iPod or two you potentially would dozens of shipments – and the vast majority of us are to busy for this versus the potential return.

The only real answer is the “Buyback” sites of BuybackDirect.com, SecondRotation.com, BuybackMadness.com, Nexworth.com and many others. Here you’ll get a price for the item (consumer media and electronics) immediately, ship all of the items to them and receive your funds via check or Paypal, many times in less time than to conduct an auction. Its a little bit less than you would receive on your own, but a lot less hassle and a better use of ones time.

]]> By: mike ignacio http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2320590 mike ignacio Fri, 23 May 2008 04:17:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2320590 in order to harness the power of the community to derive a value estimate, there has to be a community in the first place. which, judging from compete.com, there isn't. at least not right now. in order to harness the power of the community to derive a value estimate, there has to be a community in the first place.

which, judging from compete.com, there isn’t.

at least not right now.

]]> By: Andy http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2314452 Andy Wed, 21 May 2008 03:47:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2314452 You can check their about us page ;) # Chris May 19th, 2008 at 2:08 pm Founded: 2005, Funding: $400k You want us to believe that this company spent 100k or less per year for running a company out of Palo Alto and doing payroll for US developers? I don’t believe the company info. You can check their about us page ;)

# Chris

May 19th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

Founded: 2005, Funding: $400k

You want us to believe that this company spent 100k or less per year for running a company out of Palo Alto and doing payroll for US developers?

I don’t believe the company info.

]]> By: Ztail Social Product Pricing Network http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2313020 Ztail Social Product Pricing Network Tue, 20 May 2008 18:08:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2313020 [...] more from the Ztail blog on TC [...] [...] more from the Ztail blog on TC [...]

]]> By: Web 2.0 Sammelalbum - Web2Null - Ztail http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2312564 Web 2.0 Sammelalbum - Web2Null - Ztail Tue, 20 May 2008 15:51:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2312564 [...] Usern präsentiert, die ihre Preisvorstellung nennen können. http://www.ztail.com/ via: TechCrunch Technorati: Ztail Kategorie: [...] [...] Usern präsentiert, die ihre Preisvorstellung nennen können. http://www.ztail.com/ via: TechCrunch Technorati: Ztail Kategorie: [...]

]]> By: Stephen Kelly http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2311856 Stephen Kelly Tue, 20 May 2008 11:59:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2311856 Sounds like a good idea to me. I have a lot of junk from the 80's to get rid of ;) Sounds like a good idea to me. I have a lot of junk from the 80’s to get rid of ;)

]]> By: josh http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310461 josh Tue, 20 May 2008 01:07:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310461 stupid. This crap will never have the inventory needed to get past the Techcrunch or Digg splurge before it fades away... stupid. This crap will never have the inventory needed to get past the Techcrunch or Digg splurge before it fades away…

]]> By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » Ztailは、あらゆる品物の査定サイトを目指す http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310459 TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » Ztailは、あらゆる品物の査定サイトを目指す Tue, 20 May 2008 01:06:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310459 [...] [原文へ] [...] [...] [原文へ] [...]

]]> By: Salik http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310374 Salik Tue, 20 May 2008 00:06:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310374 Wow, this idea is actually cool, new and unique. I think there is so much use for a site like this unlike alot of the other web 2.0 sites people are coming out with. Wow, this idea is actually cool, new and unique. I think there is so much use for a site like this unlike alot of the other web 2.0 sites people are coming out with.

]]> By: rayrunner http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310371 rayrunner Tue, 20 May 2008 00:05:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310371 Pricehub seems to be a little better for the cars category with what appears to be actual sales data from buyers & sellers...and looks like dealer too. I like Ztail's concept of harnessing the power of the community to derive a value estimate, but I would also want to see real sales data in there like Pricehub. Pricehub seems to be a little better for the cars category with what appears to be actual sales data from buyers & sellers…and looks like dealer too. I like Ztail’s concept of harnessing the power of the community to derive a value estimate, but I would also want to see real sales data in there like Pricehub.

]]> By: clo http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310356 clo Mon, 19 May 2008 23:58:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310356 agree with bionicpimp. what someone actually pays is what the item is worth, period. agree with bionicpimp. what someone actually pays is what the item is worth, period.

]]> By: RB http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310333 RB Mon, 19 May 2008 23:42:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310333 nice- i'm happy to understand the value of some of my clutter...and know the market value of things i want. nice- i’m happy to understand the value of some of my clutter…and know the market value of things i want.

]]> By: Cindy http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310286 Cindy Mon, 19 May 2008 23:09:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310286 http://www.AuctionCapture.com is way better. It has helped me get much better deals across auction sites. http://www.AuctionCapture.com is way better.

It has helped me get much better deals across auction sites.

]]> By: clo http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310234 clo Mon, 19 May 2008 22:40:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310234 neat concept. http://www.pricehub.com has already done this for cars. neat concept. http://www.pricehub.com has already done this for cars.

]]> By: BionicPimp http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310233 BionicPimp Mon, 19 May 2008 22:39:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310233 I have to agree with 11. In fact isn't ebay literally the last word on this subject? The true price of an item is what someone is willing to pay for it. Unless they are pulling actual historic data from real sales with a large enough sample size, who's to say what the real price is for some obscure 80's tchotske. Asking for user 'appraisals' is tantamount to begging for their system to be gamed. I have to agree with 11. In fact isn’t ebay literally the last word on this subject? The true price of an item is what someone is willing to pay for it. Unless they are pulling actual historic data from real sales with a large enough sample size, who’s to say what the real price is for some obscure 80’s tchotske. Asking for user ‘appraisals’ is tantamount to begging for their system to be gamed.

]]> By: NewzNozzl http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310213 NewzNozzl Mon, 19 May 2008 22:30:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310213 Wow, what a cool idea. At least it will be, if it really takes off. Wow, what a cool idea. At least it will be, if it really takes off.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310126 Andrew Mon, 19 May 2008 21:51:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310126 Doesn't look like there is any data. In 3-4 years sure maybe they'll have enough, but right now its basically a mashup that displays a comparison shopping site and eBay Doesn’t look like there is any data. In 3-4 years sure maybe they’ll have enough, but right now its basically a mashup that displays a comparison shopping site and eBay

]]> By: Johnny Rocks http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2310117 Johnny Rocks Mon, 19 May 2008 21:46:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/ztail-wants-to-be-the-kelley-blue-book-for-everything/#comment-2310117 This is certainly not a new concept. AuctionCapture.com and Mpire have been doing this kind of stuff for a few years now. This is certainly not a new concept. AuctionCapture.com and Mpire have been doing this kind of stuff for a few years now.

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