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		<title>By: The Founding Member</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2314555</link>
		<dc:creator>The Founding Member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 04:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choosing a VC is like choosing your co-founder with two differences: (1) you have less time to choose a VC, and (2) the VCs will have more control, in most cases. To gloss over experiential research of VCs in the selection process is foolish, naive, and dangerous. To shy away from honestly contributing to the community as a funded CEO only allows others to make the same mistakes.

78% of the 7,500 CEO Members of TheFunded have closed a financing for their current business. 

A small number of frustrated venture capitalists have propagated a fallacy to the media that (a) unfunded CEOs (b) use their limited spare time while running a business and raising capital to (c) write vengeful reviews of a person that they spent 45 minutes to 1 hour with. Besides the fact that this argument seems illogical, it is not supported by the data, either.

Here is the reality. First, the majority of reviews are driven extreme experiences, either good or bad. A mediocre venture firm or venture capitalist does not get reviewed often, if at all. Second, the next most common set of reviews are coerced by the venture capitalists themselves, such as this public comment where the CEO checked that the fund requested the review: &quot;My experience with XXX is that he asks more questions during a meeting than other VCs, really listens to your answer about as often as other VCs and figures things out pretty quickly. Some of the things he figures out are actually correct.&quot; As you can read, there is a hint of skepticism in the praise.

The least frequent review is the jilted entrepreneur seeking revenge. Less than 0.05% of the 11,500 reviews fall into this category, and they are pretty easy to spot, such as this title: &quot;Possibly The Worst Vc That Ever Existed.&quot;

Unfortunately for the entrepreneur community, there is no other good experiential data source on venture capital. Most journalists are afraid of libel suits, and most entrepreneurs are afraid of speaking on the record. Constructive criticism on how to make TheFunded.com better is 100% welcomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choosing a VC is like choosing your co-founder with two differences: (1) you have less time to choose a VC, and (2) the VCs will have more control, in most cases. To gloss over experiential research of VCs in the selection process is foolish, naive, and dangerous. To shy away from honestly contributing to the community as a funded CEO only allows others to make the same mistakes.</p>
<p>78% of the 7,500 CEO Members of TheFunded have closed a financing for their current business. </p>
<p>A small number of frustrated venture capitalists have propagated a fallacy to the media that (a) unfunded CEOs (b) use their limited spare time while running a business and raising capital to (c) write vengeful reviews of a person that they spent 45 minutes to 1 hour with. Besides the fact that this argument seems illogical, it is not supported by the data, either.</p>
<p>Here is the reality. First, the majority of reviews are driven extreme experiences, either good or bad. A mediocre venture firm or venture capitalist does not get reviewed often, if at all. Second, the next most common set of reviews are coerced by the venture capitalists themselves, such as this public comment where the CEO checked that the fund requested the review: &#8220;My experience with XXX is that he asks more questions during a meeting than other VCs, really listens to your answer about as often as other VCs and figures things out pretty quickly. Some of the things he figures out are actually correct.&#8221; As you can read, there is a hint of skepticism in the praise.</p>
<p>The least frequent review is the jilted entrepreneur seeking revenge. Less than 0.05% of the 11,500 reviews fall into this category, and they are pretty easy to spot, such as this title: &#8220;Possibly The Worst Vc That Ever Existed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately for the entrepreneur community, there is no other good experiential data source on venture capital. Most journalists are afraid of libel suits, and most entrepreneurs are afraid of speaking on the record. Constructive criticism on how to make TheFunded.com better is 100% welcomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Bultema</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Bultema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 00:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said!</description>
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		<title>By: MartinEden</title>
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		<dc:creator>MartinEden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Funded is a descent resource for some purposes, particularly with respect to some partners at firms.  Of course there are inane comments on it from disgruntled entrepreneurs . . . which the reader needs to ignore.  Sadly, there are as many inane comments in response to TC posts.  Bad reviews don&#039;t make TC a bad resource.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Funded is a descent resource for some purposes, particularly with respect to some partners at firms.  Of course there are inane comments on it from disgruntled entrepreneurs . . . which the reader needs to ignore.  Sadly, there are as many inane comments in response to TC posts.  Bad reviews don&#8217;t make TC a bad resource.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing strangely not mentioned above anywhere, is that you&#039;re not signing NDAs.   Do you really want your ideas passed around?   

Not really.    It&#039;s not just time, you want to pitch VC&#039;s who have a high chance of success, because as soon as you pitch someone else, all your best ideas are going to be public domain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing strangely not mentioned above anywhere, is that you&#8217;re not signing NDAs.   Do you really want your ideas passed around?   </p>
<p>Not really.    It&#8217;s not just time, you want to pitch VC&#8217;s who have a high chance of success, because as soon as you pitch someone else, all your best ideas are going to be public domain.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, if you get some indication of a VC&#039;s personality from the website, you know what to expect and when, which reduces miscommunications.    

For example, if a VC regularly cuts off people in the middle of a presentation, then you know you haven&#039;t done something to make someone particularly mad .

But if respectful VC (who&#039;d I&#039;d pitch just because I&#039;d enjoy it and I like enjoying life) cut me off, I&#039;d ask him with concern - have I done something to offend?

Anyways, a part of me wonders if Mike actually has a bias against the Funded because they have a deal with their competitors, Venture Beat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, if you get some indication of a VC&#8217;s personality from the website, you know what to expect and when, which reduces miscommunications.    </p>
<p>For example, if a VC regularly cuts off people in the middle of a presentation, then you know you haven&#8217;t done something to make someone particularly mad .</p>
<p>But if respectful VC (who&#8217;d I&#8217;d pitch just because I&#8217;d enjoy it and I like enjoying life) cut me off, I&#8217;d ask him with concern &#8211; have I done something to offend?</p>
<p>Anyways, a part of me wonders if Mike actually has a bias against the Funded because they have a deal with their competitors, Venture Beat.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2313273</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like many of the posts on the funded this brings up some reasonable points.

I use reviews of doctors, plumbers, ebay sellers, everything.   If you learn to read between the lines, you can generally find a good fit.    For example, a review that doesn&#039;t go pro or con, but talks about a certain vc&#039;s strengths and weaknesses (good on marketing, bad on tech, good on strategy, bad on bringing in a good ceo, etc) ...  you&#039;ve hit pay dirt.

The same goes for reviews of doctors (good with children, bad with men&#039;s ailments, etc) ..     

These &quot;gripe sites&quot; are extremely valuable.  They are &#039;structured gossip&#039; which is the only kind of valuable gossip.   Nobody wants to waste time, VC or entrepeneur, and information is critical for that. 

One thing I think all VC should do, though, is give good feedback.   Unless they are a high brand, I&#039;d hate the idea of pitching a VC that doesn&#039;t give good feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many of the posts on the funded this brings up some reasonable points.</p>
<p>I use reviews of doctors, plumbers, ebay sellers, everything.   If you learn to read between the lines, you can generally find a good fit.    For example, a review that doesn&#8217;t go pro or con, but talks about a certain vc&#8217;s strengths and weaknesses (good on marketing, bad on tech, good on strategy, bad on bringing in a good ceo, etc) &#8230;  you&#8217;ve hit pay dirt.</p>
<p>The same goes for reviews of doctors (good with children, bad with men&#8217;s ailments, etc) ..     </p>
<p>These &#8220;gripe sites&#8221; are extremely valuable.  They are &#8217;structured gossip&#8217; which is the only kind of valuable gossip.   Nobody wants to waste time, VC or entrepeneur, and information is critical for that. </p>
<p>One thing I think all VC should do, though, is give good feedback.   Unless they are a high brand, I&#8217;d hate the idea of pitching a VC that doesn&#8217;t give good feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFunded trashed by TechCrunch &#124; A Strange Web</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2313058</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFunded trashed by TechCrunch &#124; A Strange Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] would seem that Michael Arrington has a thing for bashing TheFunded.com. His post today was overwhelmingly negative but I actually disagree completely. TheFunded is a great resource for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] would seem that Michael Arrington has a thing for bashing TheFunded.com. His post today was overwhelmingly negative but I actually disagree completely. TheFunded is a great resource for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t agree with this one. I find TheFunded posts to for the most part be spot on based on my own experience pitching. Some VCs seem to just like to torture early stage companies and their founders even though they have zero interest in them and it is immensely valuable to know who they are so you can avoid wasting time with them.

The thing you have the least of as a founder is time and TheFunded gives you a bit a leg up - as minor as it may be.

Plus the other resources on the site - deal terms, forums, etc. are excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t agree with this one. I find TheFunded posts to for the most part be spot on based on my own experience pitching. Some VCs seem to just like to torture early stage companies and their founders even though they have zero interest in them and it is immensely valuable to know who they are so you can avoid wasting time with them.</p>
<p>The thing you have the least of as a founder is time and TheFunded gives you a bit a leg up &#8211; as minor as it may be.</p>
<p>Plus the other resources on the site &#8211; deal terms, forums, etc. are excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: 080520 Daily Links for Recruiters &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</title>
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		<dc:creator>080520 Daily Links for Recruiters &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Don’t Look For BFFs When Pitching For VC Dollars Arrington onThe Funded, a new site devoted to bringing light into the dark corners of the VC world. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Don’t Look For BFFs When Pitching For VC Dollars Arrington onThe Funded, a new site devoted to bringing light into the dark corners of the VC world. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Antje Wilsch</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2312637</link>
		<dc:creator>Antje Wilsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think The Funded serves a purpose. We all know it&#039;s easy to wade through this world if you&#039;ve got the connections. Most don&#039;t. &gt;1% of all companies seeking funding get it from VCs. That&#039;s a lot of wasted time/ meetings that go nowhere. Yes, the process can be aruduous on both sides. VCs have to sit through reams of endless pitches. But from almost all the entrepreneurs I know and have worked with, most of them have no connections, and most don&#039;t ever get 1 term sheet, let alone multiple. That&#039;s like the golden ring that rarely happens. The ones that do are the ones that usually have at least one connected person associated with the company - then once 1 VC shows interest the others will often follow. Easier to get the 2nd million than the 1st million. Some do it thru sheer buzz, but for every company who&#039;s a silicon valley darling I&#039;d be willing to wager my salary there are 100+ companies who get no notice.

A VC told a company who had just started requesting meetings but hadn&#039;t had any pitches yet once &quot;we heard about you from another [VC] firm.&quot; Entrepreneur thought this was a good thing. VC went on with the admonishment &quot;VCs want to feel they&#039;re special. Since you&#039;re &#039;out there&#039; you&#039;re tainted goods, means to us that no one is biting.&quot; Yet the process is so time consuming, to say entrepreneurs should focus on their companies is easy to say when trying to get meetings etc. is a super-time consuming process, so who wins here. because of the in-breeding, I would venture to say that something in the process is broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think The Funded serves a purpose. We all know it&#8217;s easy to wade through this world if you&#8217;ve got the connections. Most don&#8217;t. &gt;1% of all companies seeking funding get it from VCs. That&#8217;s a lot of wasted time/ meetings that go nowhere. Yes, the process can be aruduous on both sides. VCs have to sit through reams of endless pitches. But from almost all the entrepreneurs I know and have worked with, most of them have no connections, and most don&#8217;t ever get 1 term sheet, let alone multiple. That&#8217;s like the golden ring that rarely happens. The ones that do are the ones that usually have at least one connected person associated with the company &#8211; then once 1 VC shows interest the others will often follow. Easier to get the 2nd million than the 1st million. Some do it thru sheer buzz, but for every company who&#8217;s a silicon valley darling I&#8217;d be willing to wager my salary there are 100+ companies who get no notice.</p>
<p>A VC told a company who had just started requesting meetings but hadn&#8217;t had any pitches yet once &#8220;we heard about you from another [VC] firm.&#8221; Entrepreneur thought this was a good thing. VC went on with the admonishment &#8220;VCs want to feel they&#8217;re special. Since you&#8217;re &#8216;out there&#8217; you&#8217;re tainted goods, means to us that no one is biting.&#8221; Yet the process is so time consuming, to say entrepreneurs should focus on their companies is easy to say when trying to get meetings etc. is a super-time consuming process, so who wins here. because of the in-breeding, I would venture to say that something in the process is broken.</p>
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		<title>By: jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Totally agree that deal terms are usually most important things to focus on. The brand of the VC has superficial value in most cases. It sometimes helps with early recruiting of key employees if and only if the founders are good at spinning the value. If they are not then the value is pretty meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Totally agree that deal terms are usually most important things to focus on. The brand of the VC has superficial value in most cases. It sometimes helps with early recruiting of key employees if and only if the founders are good at spinning the value. If they are not then the value is pretty meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this site matters so little, why do you keep talking about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this site matters so little, why do you keep talking about it?</p>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm... don&#039;t know if I agree on this one mike.

the funded has obviously biased / skewed data, but it might still be relevant.

&quot;best-branded VC&quot;?  maybe, assuming the term sheet &amp; liquidation preferences are equivalent to the deal you&#039;d get from a &quot;less-branded&quot; VC.  except you probably won&#039;t.  so there&#039;s typically a tradeoff there somewhere.

brand is relevant too, but may matter less than deal terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm&#8230; don&#8217;t know if I agree on this one mike.</p>
<p>the funded has obviously biased / skewed data, but it might still be relevant.</p>
<p>&#8220;best-branded VC&#8221;?  maybe, assuming the term sheet &amp; liquidation preferences are equivalent to the deal you&#8217;d get from a &#8220;less-branded&#8221; VC.  except you probably won&#8217;t.  so there&#8217;s typically a tradeoff there somewhere.</p>
<p>brand is relevant too, but may matter less than deal terms.</p>
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		<title>By: jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! 

Re: #24 --- Mr. Glassington!

yeah, this guy&#039;s reputation is clearly in a freefall. Time will tell how it effects traffic to the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! </p>
<p>Re: #24 &#8212; Mr. Glassington!</p>
<p>yeah, this guy&#8217;s reputation is clearly in a freefall. Time will tell how it effects traffic to the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Kelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Kelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked this post, and agree that your VC&#039;s brand makes hiring and probably marketing too a lot easier (hiring is more important than marketing), but there is one other criterion for evaluating a VC that you have to mention, which is how much the partner you meet will engage in board meetings and beyond. There are no-name firms with partners who have relevant operating experience, or who try harder, or whom you can just naturally talk to about the problems you have to solve, and that has to count for something.

I&#039;m always a little surprised when entrepreneurs go for the best terms or the biggest brand without even thinking about whether the person who will be on their board is someone they can work with and talk to about what&#039;s really going on. Usually it&#039;s because the entrepreneur thinks he or she already knows everything and just needs the $ and attention, which is sometimes true I guess -- but not always. Glenn at Redfin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked this post, and agree that your VC&#8217;s brand makes hiring and probably marketing too a lot easier (hiring is more important than marketing), but there is one other criterion for evaluating a VC that you have to mention, which is how much the partner you meet will engage in board meetings and beyond. There are no-name firms with partners who have relevant operating experience, or who try harder, or whom you can just naturally talk to about the problems you have to solve, and that has to count for something.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always a little surprised when entrepreneurs go for the best terms or the biggest brand without even thinking about whether the person who will be on their board is someone they can work with and talk to about what&#8217;s really going on. Usually it&#8217;s because the entrepreneur thinks he or she already knows everything and just needs the $ and attention, which is sometimes true I guess &#8212; but not always. Glenn at Redfin</p>
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		<title>By: anon-s</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2312121</link>
		<dc:creator>anon-s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>question: a vc has given me an hour meeting, good feedback, and left the door open for another meeting once we fulfill one request re: &quot;more focus&quot;. Another vc has approached a founder at an academic conference. They spoke about that area of analytics we specialize in, but not about any investment or company. We plan to follow-up with this second contact. Both firms are well regarded. Should I mention to the first vc that we will be approaching the second -- we may have a meeting set up soon??

Personally I do not want to &quot;push any buttons&quot;.  I thought it was incredible we got 60 minutes, and excellent feedback was provided. If we are a good investment, then I&#039;m expecting things will work out -- naive perhaps, but I sort of agree its ultimately about (product) * (opportunity to talk about it). I was afraid we&#039;d never get the latter -- very tough unless you have contacts. But we are getting a fair chance now.  Input appreciated, and apologies that I&#039;m not divulging contact info, but that&#039;s not appropriate I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>question: a vc has given me an hour meeting, good feedback, and left the door open for another meeting once we fulfill one request re: &#8220;more focus&#8221;. Another vc has approached a founder at an academic conference. They spoke about that area of analytics we specialize in, but not about any investment or company. We plan to follow-up with this second contact. Both firms are well regarded. Should I mention to the first vc that we will be approaching the second &#8212; we may have a meeting set up soon??</p>
<p>Personally I do not want to &#8220;push any buttons&#8221;.  I thought it was incredible we got 60 minutes, and excellent feedback was provided. If we are a good investment, then I&#8217;m expecting things will work out &#8212; naive perhaps, but I sort of agree its ultimately about (product) * (opportunity to talk about it). I was afraid we&#8217;d never get the latter &#8212; very tough unless you have contacts. But we are getting a fair chance now.  Input appreciated, and apologies that I&#8217;m not divulging contact info, but that&#8217;s not appropriate I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Jas</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2311839</link>
		<dc:creator>Jas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 11:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20 ofer whats the point ?you offer for us tom readthe stories but when going to your link when you cant read the stories ?? you need to open the site if you gonna say &quot;want to read some real stories&quot; when you can t read them i don&#039;t see the pint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20 ofer whats the point ?you offer for us tom readthe stories but when going to your link when you cant read the stories ?? you need to open the site if you gonna say &#8220;want to read some real stories&#8221; when you can t read them i don&#8217;t see the pint.</p>
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		<title>By: pasan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2311743</link>
		<dc:creator>pasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 11:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a little hard to take advice about bias and conflicts from Michael Arrington. It&#039;s also hard to take advice about building a company from Michael Arrington --- think Edgeio (failed) and OmniDrive (failed). 

People who live in glass houses, Mr. Glassington, don&#039;t throw rocks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a little hard to take advice about bias and conflicts from Michael Arrington. It&#8217;s also hard to take advice about building a company from Michael Arrington &#8212; think Edgeio (failed) and OmniDrive (failed). </p>
<p>People who live in glass houses, Mr. Glassington, don&#8217;t throw rocks!</p>
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		<title>By: Robleh</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2311690</link>
		<dc:creator>Robleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 10:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The list may be worthless but everyone loves rankings (especially, I&#039;ll wager, VCs) so I reckon messrs Archambeau and Solvik are feeling pretty pleased at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The list may be worthless but everyone loves rankings (especially, I&#8217;ll wager, VCs) so I reckon messrs Archambeau and Solvik are feeling pretty pleased at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2311626</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 10:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What start-ups often forget is the other side of the coin. VC&#039;s get hundreds of proposals a week, ranging from ridiculous to laughable to shear brilliant. They get pitched to on parties, in forums, on their blogs and if after all that, they actually take the time to invite a start-up, the last thing I would worry about is getting a coffee. What is important that start ups focus on delivering a great presentation and they connect on a personal level with the VC. 
If the VC says &#039;thank you but no thank you&#039;, then get up, shake their hand and get on with it. Remember, you never know when you will meet/ need  them again so don&#039;t go slacking them off on &#039;The Funded&#039;. This isn&#039;t Kindergarten, this is business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What start-ups often forget is the other side of the coin. VC&#8217;s get hundreds of proposals a week, ranging from ridiculous to laughable to shear brilliant. They get pitched to on parties, in forums, on their blogs and if after all that, they actually take the time to invite a start-up, the last thing I would worry about is getting a coffee. What is important that start ups focus on delivering a great presentation and they connect on a personal level with the VC.<br />
If the VC says &#8216;thank you but no thank you&#8217;, then get up, shake their hand and get on with it. Remember, you never know when you will meet/ need  them again so don&#8217;t go slacking them off on &#8216;The Funded&#8217;. This isn&#8217;t Kindergarten, this is business.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wilensky</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2311584</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wilensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 10:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also:

Dont&#039; expect an apology when they end the meeting by shouting, &quot;enough! I heard about you - you&#039;re the tow truck guy&quot;, and then shoo you away with a backward wave of the hand.

And, don&#039;t expect an, (i&#039;m sorry, let me pay for damage, when they back into your Apirlia 500 Italian scooter in their parking area with their Mercedes SUV, and try to run away when you come upon the scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also:</p>
<p>Dont&#8217; expect an apology when they end the meeting by shouting, &#8220;enough! I heard about you &#8211; you&#8217;re the tow truck guy&#8221;, and then shoo you away with a backward wave of the hand.</p>
<p>And, don&#8217;t expect an, (i&#8217;m sorry, let me pay for damage, when they back into your Apirlia 500 Italian scooter in their parking area with their Mercedes SUV, and try to run away when you come upon the scene.</p>
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		<title>By: Ofer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2311570</link>
		<dc:creator>Ofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 10:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not about bitching about VCs, it is about the inherent conflict between VCs  and entrepreneurs. 

In the VC game you will get to an exit if you are lucky in 4-6 years when you have +/- 10% of your company, and you will get your $15m on a $150m exit. 

With some companies you can get to the same exit without VCs in less time and less risk, e.g. Internet companies.

Want to read some real stories go to www.thefoundersbook.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not about bitching about VCs, it is about the inherent conflict between VCs  and entrepreneurs. </p>
<p>In the VC game you will get to an exit if you are lucky in 4-6 years when you have +/- 10% of your company, and you will get your $15m on a $150m exit. </p>
<p>With some companies you can get to the same exit without VCs in less time and less risk, e.g. Internet companies.</p>
<p>Want to read some real stories go to <a href="http://www.thefoundersbook.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.thefoundersbook.com'>http://www.thefoundersbook.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adam Hyman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2311415</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Hyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 09:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Michael!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Michael!</p>
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		<title>By: John Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2311286</link>
		<dc:creator>John Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 08:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VCs commit lot of crimes, who cares about the beverage. What is wrong in having a little competition among VCs and do the business eithically. They are just middlemen, if you look at the statistics 70% of them have never started a company or built one.

I would suggest remove this post, it puts the hard working entrepreneurs in the bad light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VCs commit lot of crimes, who cares about the beverage. What is wrong in having a little competition among VCs and do the business eithically. They are just middlemen, if you look at the statistics 70% of them have never started a company or built one.</p>
<p>I would suggest remove this post, it puts the hard working entrepreneurs in the bad light.</p>
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		<title>By: STS</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/19/dont-look-for-bffs-when-pitching-for-vc-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-2311176</link>
		<dc:creator>STS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 07:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funded is a good resource for keeping the system a bit more balanced.  


To say if your VC is an asshole doesn&#039;t matter is just not true.   Remember, entrepreneur&#039;s build companies and all capital is well equally green.  As I know Motwani has said, no VC can make your company but a bad one will ruin it every time.  A bad one will almost certainly ruin your return as an entrepreneur even when they make themselves a return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funded is a good resource for keeping the system a bit more balanced.  </p>
<p>To say if your VC is an asshole doesn&#8217;t matter is just not true.   Remember, entrepreneur&#8217;s build companies and all capital is well equally green.  As I know Motwani has said, no VC can make your company but a bad one will ruin it every time.  A bad one will almost certainly ruin your return as an entrepreneur even when they make themselves a return.</p>
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