http://wiki.dataportability.or.....+18th+2008.

I think we mostly agreed on the fact that discussing ownership does not really bring us somewhere but more so licenses for data I put into a system. Steve Greenberg is working on that for the DataPortability Policy Group and he explains it a bit in that discussion (he is Henway Costello).

So once we have agreed on rules to define what other people (be it a service vendor or your contact) can do with your data we can maybe look for a fitting technical solution hopefully based on open standards.

Facebook actually is in a good position as they have good controls in place already (as as Xing, maybe even more granular ones). They “just” need to open it up and also give me the chance to move my data elsewhere if I wish to do so. In the end I should only have given them a revokable license to use the data I enter into the system.

yaaay!

So, going back to Facebook. If Mike has established a friendship relationship with Scoble does the information about that relationship belong to Mike? If so, how much of the data at the other end of the relationship also belong to Mike. If not, then does Mike need to get Scoble’s permission to extract the relationship information?

If you don’t want your data to be used, don’t use the service. Regardless of social portals your data is being shared right now w/o your permission; via email or IM or whatnot. That it is done via this new social channel is more of the same.

Yes, my data is my data, and your data is your data, and me having your data doesn’t really give me the right to share your data, even though hell, everyone can, regardless of social portals, again and via email right now, or IM, or whatever…

Yet, it is good discussions like this happen because it creates awareness, but all this was lame seeing all beating their chests, about people changing or not their opinions; who cares really….

ceo

So the issue of data ownership is more like the issues of copyright and trademark, and not about the places where you put your data. We need modifications to the law of data ownership in general. The socNets will just become like publishers.

What’s great about Data Portability is that it’s remained pretty much a loosely coupled technology. This means that companies can implement what they want where they want. The big guns like Facebook and Google better pay attention to the customer though because there is a possibility that the social mesh will be nothing but all independent URI’s all talking to each other over an open protocols.

If Data Portability continues to mirror the wishes of the consumer in general, it will be most useful. I don’t care what Scoble or Mike Arrington think if that’s not what most customers care about. For the people, by the people. What the big companies don’t understand is that Data Portability represents an opportunity beyond anything their R&D labs could ever create.

I’m not surprised Chris Saad “didn’t take a leadership” position. A real leader, let’s the passionate people argue and listens. As far as I’m concerned Data Portability and the people that spend countless hours of their time trying to make the internet a better place have better things to do with their time than argue with a bunch of people who jump on the boat the minute something gets mentioned in the WSJ.

Data Portability, Chris, the rest of you, don’t forget the problems you set out to solve, and who’s problems they were, the little every day person. The “A” list bloggers hardly represent the voice of the people. (Not that I disagree with any loud people on any issue) Just remember the little guy and you will never fail the netizens.

Oh, and thanks. Without the countless hours of your time, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

-was repeated ad nauseum during the podcast.

I would certainly agree that anything you type in to the site is certainly your data, but what if the site adds value to your data?

Are your results from Facebook’s myriad quizzes your data? What about your rankings vis-a-vis your friends?

Whilst I’m not saying that this value-added data is DE-FACTO Facebook’s, I also believe that it’s not unquestionably yours.

all that said that was one of the funniest gangs I have listened to with some classic lines.

The ustream channel was the place to be http://www.ustream.tv/channel/techaura

But first: WHERE IS THE USER? Will the user care if Grump One changed his mind? Or Grump Two is compromising? Or Grump Three is just stirring the pot?

I know, I know, without the brilliant engineers behind open sesame and the movable data feast, the rest of us the world wouldn’t know a social network from a search engine. But guess what, we do. I don’t know when you found the time between tweets to do it, but some of you guys have made it possible for the world outside this geodome to connect — you have given the entire globe the power — so why don’t you ask people what they want to do with the content they’ve created before you decide what it is they need from the people who gave them the means for creating that content?

And if you know these answers, then tell the rest of the world. Right now, that’s the data I want. I still don’t know one live human being outside of this industry who cares about the open question. I want to know how you know they care. How you know what they want. And how you connect the empowering technologies created by talented engineers with the mainstream marketplace. I want to know so I can start telling them.

Thank you very much. Now go to bed, for crying out loud.

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