May 3, 2008

Urgent Changes Are Needed To Facebook Messaging

Michael Arrington

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Facebook email, which they call messages, is becoming completely unusable as a personal or business productivity tool. When I first joined Facebook it was fine. I only had a few friends on the service, and people didn’t do much with it except to occasionally say hi.

But as Facebook usage has exploded, particularly where I live in the tech world, so has messaging. For many of my contacts Facebook messaging is the only way I stay in contact with them, and it is increasingly becoming the pitch platform of choice. Instead of emailing TechCrunch directly, entrepreneurs will add me as a friend on Facebook, and then send their pitch for a story.

To ignore these messages would kill off a rich source of information. But the product is so feature poor that all I can do is respond as fast as possible to Facebook messages with “please email this to me at TechCrunch” and move on.

For starters, simply opening emails has a serious lag time - Facebook as a whole has slowed down significantly as their growth has exploded, and it is most obvious with messaging. At this point I’ll open the inbox and then open the 5 or 10 top messages in new tabs - and come back later once they’ve loaded and read them.

Other things you can’t do with Facebook email: forward them, put them in folders, tag them, or archive them. You can’t search or sort them at all, so finding old messages is effectively impossible. If you are getting 20 or more new messages a day and can’t constantly watch for new ones, some will drop to the next page before you see them and be lost forever.

Advanced features are also lacking, of course. There is no POP or IMAP access to pull Facebook emails into other applications like Outlook or Mac Mail. And no way to send attachments. Finally, why not simply issue Facebook users a normal email address that they can use to receive outside messages? Users could choose to turn it on or not.

Facebook has made small changes over time to email. In August 2007 the started allowing people to send messages to outside email addresses. And in December 2007 they started forwarding messages in the notifications sent out to your normal email messages (prior to that you had to click on the message link).

But for the most part they’ve left the product static and focused on new products like chat and enhancing the news feed.

What would be ideal is for Facebook to simply add access to email via their API and let third parties build web and desktop mail applicaitons that can sort, search and otherwise manage messages. But that functionality doesn’t exist, and Facebook has shown little tolerance for third party applicaitons that solve user problems in innovative but unauthorized ways.

Something needs to be done, though. Facebook needs to fix email themselves, or allow third parties to do it for them. By “fix” I mean add basic features, allow exporting of messages via standard protocols, and issue users a standard Facebook email address to receive outside messages.

I suspect, based on conversations I’ve had with Facebook insiders, that they are working on feature enhancements already. But based on their very closed approach to Facebook chat, it’s clear that they want as much activity and data to stay on their servers as possible. My hope is that they reconsider the approach, and let Facebook emails go free into the wild.

I am clearly a non-standard user of email, and most users won’t have the same level of frustration…yet. But eventually mainstream frustration will equal the levels I’m feeling now. It is far better to address this now, than later.

And…if Facebook got serious about email, they could very easily become a contender in that space in no time. And that may take the wind of out the sails of Yahoo and others trying to build their social networking future around their email products.

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  1. J Lane

    What? Facebook not playing nice with others, or letting data outside of their little walled empire?

    Hey, was that a shark you just jumped back there Zuckerberg?

  2. Tanya

    Facebook does need some improvements but the internet in general still is great for things.. like finding amazing new books. Check out this Poetry Book

  3. john

    guess that’s what happens when your the über-popular… Good idea on the third party apps!

  4. Joe

    Facebook messaging sucks shit.

  5. Judson

    The question is, is if facebook WANTS it to compete in the email business.

    As well I agree: Most users aren’t experiencing what you are. From what I see there are two types of facebook users: users and power-users, where users avg is 100 met friends, and powerusers are in the 1000s, if not the 5000 cap. Definitley a difference in how connected you are in comparison to my 130.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I rarely use the messaging feature as a ‘low-end user’. So I wonder how many people use the messaging feature enough where it would be useful for facebook to stop keeping the less-is-more approach with messaging.

  6. David Kahn

    Trexic.net

  7. Shawn Farner

    I’m a college student, so believe me, I have extensive experience using Facebook. I check it no less than a thousand times per day when I should be doing other things. I know a bunch of people who suffer from the same addiction, but not one of them uses Facebook messages as a way to communicate. It’s either IM or email. In fact, contacting someone with a Facebook message… it comes off a little creepy. Most of the time, it means that person didn’t have another way to contact you (they aren’t your Facebook friend, don’t your email, sn, etc.). And usually, that’s because you don’t want them to get that information in the first place.

    Facebook messages are not meant to be a primary form of communication. All I ever receive are messages from groups I’m in or events I’m attending, and even then, those messages are forwarded to my email address and I read them there. Instead of wishing for Facebook to make a bunch of changes, why not rely on tried and true communication methods?

  8. AJ Vaughan

    I agree their internal messaging could use some improvements, but when did Facebook become a ‘business productivity tool’? Just yesterday it was all about fun: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008.....-have-fun/

  9. RickRoll

    Mike, It’s only unusable for you because you have like 10,000 friends.

  10. Calley

    Hopefully they would want to compete in the email business. I find myself using facebook messages much more with my facebook mobile app. They would also make a fair amount of money in advertising if they made email more user-friendly.

  11. Azhar

    Wow, that’s really lot of messages. But this problem is not faced by most of people, So i don’t think improving facebook messaging feature is their priority as of now.

  12. chris banach

    the only thing i like about FB messages is the way it is threated. it’s easier to follow up a discussion this way than with standard email, because you can quickly refer to previous messages on the same page.

    what FB could do though is pretty simple : some sort of “friends classification”. In your case Michael, you could categorize your real friends (people you actually care for), family members, direct business partners, and then second-level friends you never met and who are more admirers than true friends (probably at least 4,500 people in your friends list).

    that would cut down your incoming messages you need to deal with by at least 90%.

  13. chris banach

    errata: i meant “threaDed” not “threated”

  14. Jay (Twitter @qthrul)

    Facebook message team could (steal) learn a lot from LinkedIn and Plaxo.

  15. @krisdye

    The absolute worst part of Facebook messaging is actually part of their ‘new’ functionality. When sending email to external addresses you are met with an email containing the body of the message and then a link to click to reply.

    As someone who provides a service via email to vulnerable young people (and due to various confidentiality, data protection and legal requirements has to use a custom client for email this means that a major channel through which we could potentially receive useful communications from service users is completely closed off to us. Facebook is quickly becoming a dominant communication tool for young people in our target audience, however Facebook have designed it in such a way that it is entirely useless for any productive (and potentially life-saving in case of our service) uses.

  16. Victor

    That should just outsource it to gmail. That would be sweet.

  17. nobosh.com

    Mike,

    I agree with your points. However, how many facebook users likely suffer from an issue like yours? .02%? Probably less… From a product prioritization standpoint, its somewhat clear why they aren’t focusing much attention right now on the message platform.

    BA

  18. Steven Noble

    It would be great if we could set a preference to have Facebook auto-forward all in-system messages to our email address.

    This is especially the case for people like me who no longer follow the Facebook RSS feed because of information overload.

  19. James

    I use the Facebook BlackBerry app to deal with this. The messages are pushed to me just like regular email and I can respond to them right away.

  20. Ariel Diaz

    Facebook email = 100% validated email = JUNK FREE!

    The latent value here that is absolutely incredible is the fact that you can virtually guarantee that the email (or messages) from within Facebook is from a trusted source. Yes, a lot of this might still be “junk” in the form of superfluous application invitations, but that is very easy to filter out.

    I completely agree with the points you brought up, though I must admit that I (or most users) do not see nearly that level of activity.

    What I’m hoping is that Facebook takes some of the innovations they have brought to social networking, and applies it to email. We don’t need another Yahoo Mail, we need spam free email. With that you can know that the message you send to a “friend” will get to them. Sometimes you don’t even know that currently for your true friends. It’s essentially permission based email, which may be more closed than the current system, but hopefully more effective in eliminating the V1@gr@ emails we all get.

    -Ariel

  21. Ryan Merket

    Mike, why can’t you tag, sort or organize your Facebook e-mails? Doesn’t Facebook send you the message in an e-mail, with a link to view/respond?

    The subect of these emails read:
    “FirstName LastName sent you a message on Facebook…”

    You can easily setup rules for this subject to auto sort and organize these within Apple Mail or Outlook.

    Just my 2 cents.

  22. dave mcclure

    i do understand that it may not be top priority for them… but at the same time i echo the frustration.

    i agree, enabling 3rd-party apps to have access to Facebook messaging API would seem to be the most reasonable solution.

    Dave Morin / Dave Fetterman: are FB messaging APIs on the roadmap? for that matter, what about API access to other native Facebook apps, like the wayFB provides 3rd-party access to Photos already? (and apologies if this is already the case… i’m not terribly familiar with all the FB platform features. please advise if i missed something)

    this would seem to be one way to solve the competition issue between Facebook & dominant 3rd-party apps from folks like RockYou & Slide — enable 3rd-party access to native FB core apps, and then maybe 3rd-party success = FB success too (not always the case currently).

  23. Andrew Cafourek

    This is really weird… I spent 30 minutes last night looking for a message I recieved about 6 months ago that had a password/login in it but it was a terrible ordeal to find it.

    I just spent my entire afternoon jog writing a blog post in my head on exactly this subject that was really very similar in content. Ha, well thanks for stealing my thoughts and killing my post before it was born. It will get more attention here anyway.

  24. Peter

    This may sound like heresy, but… you could, ya know, use a different service. One with good messaging.

  25. You're an edge case

    So Facebook should optimize their site for the 0.0001% of people who have almost 1 million people aggregating their weblog? Does anyone reading this post have anywhere near 1000 messages in their Facebook inbox?

  26. MikeInAZ

    I just heard they are switching from Ruby on Wheels to Djibouti via Techcrunch.

  27. dbfarber

    Totally agree…it’s painful and extra labor. What’s the plan FB?

  28. David

    “Instead of emailing TechCrunch directly, entrepreneurs will add me as a friend on Facebook, and then send their pitch for a story.”

    Mike, you are abusing Facebook’s service by friending strangers. Facebook should be used to stay connected with your friends, not TechCrunch fans.

    Here is a solution to your problem:

    Create a Facebook Page where fans and entrepreneurs can contact TechCrunch with a story. Adjust your privacy settings such that your Fan Page, and not your name appears when a user searches for “Michael Arrington.”

  29. Robert Seidman

    Yogi Berra said it best: nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.

  30. Scott Goldie

    I have developed a little Java desktop app that will let you send and receive Facebook messages from your desktop email client. it can be found at http://www.fblocalmail.com. Mike, if you’d like a free license or have any questions, just drop me an email.

  31. dontclickhere06

    Facebook is so last year.

  32. Greg S

    Reminds me of AOL when they first started out.

  33. Chris S

    #31….that was funny and true at the same time.

  34. Saagar

    “In August 2007 the started allowing people to send messages to outside email addresses.”

    the started?? No spell/grammar checks on Saturday Mike ? [:)]

  35. john piercy

    better than worrying about fb messaging.
    Just delete your account.
    It was easy. Just email privacy@facebook.com
    Who” needs” facebook !

  36. K

    Mr. Arrington, look at the bright side. Mark Zuckerberg has 21,000+ in his inbox. ;) (No, I didn’t hack into his account, but I think I saw that in that “60 minutes” video).

    “Facebook as a whole has slowed down significantly as their growth has exploded, and it is most obvious with messaging.” - Very true there! Even if I disable JavaScript to stop all ajax calls (and almost everything else), the site still is extremely slow.

  37. John

    The other thing - how secure is facebook? With people starting to use facebook like an email program, i would like to make sure that hackers and facebook employees don’t have access to my messages!

  38. Q dub

    People always wonder when somebody is going to tap the implicit social graph within our email platforms. So clearly many see email communication and social networking working together as a valuable evolution

    So why /shouldn’t/ Facebook compete in email?

  39. Sung

    What did you expect? Gmail? Messaging on social networks suck. Urgent Changes Are Needed To MySpace Messaging too.

  40. Mark

    Facebook sucks: http://u.phoreo.com/zg.pdf

  41. Larry Larrikin

    Shouldn’t they just be writing on your wall?

  42. EH

    LOL, Facebook messaging sounds vintage 1992 Compuserve.

    Oh, and let’s see some amateur hour commentary about their scaling…

  43. Mark Brooks

    Yes, actually, Gmail would be nice. Your contacts or on Facebook, why shouldn’t they add a full functioning email system to take on the likes of Gmail and Yahoo Mail, etc. All your people, all your communications in one spot. Quite the challenge usability wise, but the needs it there I think. If Facebook doesn’t do it, LinkedIn or another high-integrity social network will do it eventually.

  44. 113.com

    Seriously, such problem has been very predicable long time ago, even a lot of people think that’s the new way to do email. Simply, NOT.

  45. 113.com

    >predicable
    predictable

  46. А.Т.

    The day FB would open mailing functionality to 3rd parties, it will be effectively dead because of spam. Do you like it or not, but there is a BUNCH of players in FB pool who plays already on the edge (like one of them presumably uses people’s profiles photo thumbnails without their consent), so… Let’em put their feet in the door, now let’em open the door, huh? No, thank you.

    I know some of them would give arm’n'leg in order to get into mail-via-FB business, but that doesn’t mean we shall buy that, even if someone is paid to trumpet “necessity to open and change FB mail immediately”.

  47. PWills

    Wow, Mike: is this a personal blog or a news source about start-ups? The fact that you have a personal gripe doesn’t mean there is an “urgent” need to change Facebook messaging.

    “Urgent Changes Are Needed to TechCrunch when viewed in a Mobile Web Browser”
    How would you feel if Engadget published that story because TechCrunch doesn’t render correctly on an Engadget editor’s phone?

  48. Zara Lockwood

    There used to be a facebook e-mail app. that was quite good called fbmail.net or fbemail.net ? that provided a better cloned version of facebook mail but with folders and more fuctionality - but it didn’t take off at the time (about a year ago) and they closed it down without warning - and I lost data with it.

    Maybe they just need to start up a similar service again - that was a third party app. and blended in alright, I use dto have a link to it on my profile.

    Zara

  49. jenkins

    Michael,

    No offense but why would Facebook listen to you? It’s not like you have a successful track record of building or being involved in the building of great web-based products. You’re a third rate gossip monger — stick to what you know best. Leave the serious stuff to serious, credible people.

  50. Blake Brannon

    Can we finally mark this as the end of the Facebook era and turn it over to the teenagers that use it.

  51. Shaun

    Facebook’s messaging is clearly simple and basic. It’s nowheree near being a robust email system and is not intended for business productivity.

    So why are you trying to use it as a hammer when it’s so clearly a screwdriver?

    Maybe rather than asking Facebook to expand this into yet another email system….maybe you should ask for them to figure out how to integrate the email systems out there into the Facebook platform? That way power users get to add in robustness and basic users can stay simple and not get bogged down with “business productivity” complexity.

  52. Jordan

    Why don’t you just have a little note on your FB page that tells people to send you emails instead of messaging them? All of my friends know that I never respond to Facebook Mail..

    Facebook could collect more data from its users if they gave users an @facebook.com email address. Then people like me might actually use facebook mail (it would be integrated into desktop email clients), and all the messages formarly handed off to google mail would be routed through facebook’s servers.

    Giving users full email access and features seems like a win-win-win to me.

  53. Rawaz

    Please Mike I love all your suggestions

    But this one is open invitation for spammers!!!!!! Facebook is the last place on earth that I would like to use as an email!

    Spammers will love those facebook emails

    I think I will pass on this suggestion

  54. Alistair Croll

    Couldn’t agree more — particularly since Facebook mail is the number one way people who don’t have my e-mail address reach me. knows me well.

    Makes me wonder whether there’s a Greasemonkey script out there that could detect facebook messages in GMail, intercept the replies when I click “Reply All”, and then log into Facebook in the background and send them through the Facebook interface. But that would be a huge band-aid, when what’s needed is for Facebook to embrace SMTP instead of trying to replace it.

    As @Ariel Diaz points out, we have the makings of a truly authenticated, white-list directory in Facebook’s friends model that could address spam problems well.

  55. danielmcvicar

    Hi Michael
    I never understood social networking as a way to receive email, when an email editor and inbox is much more efficient… Social networking email always reminds me of passing notes in class.

    Love the TechCrunch.
    D

  56. Sandra

    As a temporary workaround, automate Facebook via iMacros
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3863

  57. Angela Hayden

    There’s just too many people on the darn internet.

  58. Adam

    Facebook has definitely slowed down… My biggest problem is the new IM system. When I browse photo galleries I often open many pictures in new tabs. Guess the browser can’t handle the ajax requests. The whole browser lags.

  59. Nick Berg

    So the real story is that Michael Arrington accepts friend requests from people that he doesn’t even know. Time to Michael to switch from Facebook to Egobook, where every new friend you have strokes your ego just that little bit more.

  60. dave

    it IS awful! thanks for pointing out so clearly…pop3 would be the ultimate problem solver and liberation tool - then users could rely on gmail et al to sort, label and filter…or IMAP, but they probably will never give users that much control outside the garden…

  61. John Ryan

    Word is that Facebook has released the ability to search through one’s Inbox to a select few networks as a beta launch. Maybe they realized the lack of utility :)

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