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		<title>By: Tax time for domainers?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2416404</link>
		<dc:creator>Tax time for domainers?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what is happening with Amazon right now. They have to collect sales taxes from their customers in New York and perhaps Texas as well. They&#8217;ve become tax collectors [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dave reed</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2332284</link>
		<dc:creator>dave reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 03:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to #25 nice racist comment, thanks.

to everyone else.  keep voting democrat and our pockets will continue to be picked.  Ny went dem and the tax craze began. for the little people............right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to #25 nice racist comment, thanks.</p>
<p>to everyone else.  keep voting democrat and our pockets will continue to be picked.  Ny went dem and the tax craze began. for the little people&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;right.</p>
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		<title>By: NY&#8217;s &#8216;Amazon Tax&#8217; Takes First Casualty: Overstock Affiliates</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2296815</link>
		<dc:creator>NY&#8217;s &#8216;Amazon Tax&#8217; Takes First Casualty: Overstock Affiliates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] isn&#8217;t the first retailer to respond to the law - Amazon has filed suit against the state in an attempt to get it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2284970</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an issue that's just been waiting to get the spotlight on it for some time - the fact is that conditions that create a call for sales tax differ from state to state.  It's incredibly complex, and online sellers have to be careful...especially now, when the tight economy has states looking for reasons to go after tax that might be owed.

Helpful links:

An audiocast on the subject:
http://www.mfa-cpa.com/mfa-news-and-resources/thought-leadership/EcommerceSalesTax.mp3

And a short white paper/Q&#38;A:
http://www.mfa-cpa.com/mfa-news-and-resources/thought-leadership/ECommerceSalesTax-May08.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an issue that&#8217;s just been waiting to get the spotlight on it for some time - the fact is that conditions that create a call for sales tax differ from state to state.  It&#8217;s incredibly complex, and online sellers have to be careful&#8230;especially now, when the tight economy has states looking for reasons to go after tax that might be owed.</p>
<p>Helpful links:</p>
<p>An audiocast on the subject:<br />
<a href="http://www.mfa-cpa.com/mfa-news-and-resources/thought-leadership/EcommerceSalesTax.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.mfa-cpa.com/mfa-new.....lesTax.mp3</a></p>
<p>And a short white paper/Q&amp;A:<br />
<a href="http://www.mfa-cpa.com/mfa-news-and-resources/thought-leadership/ECommerceSalesTax-May08.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.mfa-cpa.com/mfa-new.....-May08.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 23:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 07:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazon does business in how many foreign countries?  And in all those countries they most likely charge sales tax.  Americans need to take whatever pole is lodged in their butts and get real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazon does business in how many foreign countries?  And in all those countries they most likely charge sales tax.  Americans need to take whatever pole is lodged in their butts and get real.</p>
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		<title>By: PointOfSaleProgrammer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2257161</link>
		<dc:creator>PointOfSaleProgrammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 18:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who's actually implemented national tax systems, it's a HUGE pain in the ass.  You really need to integrate a third party's tax calculation program into your order processing system because tax issues are so time consuming that only a company dedicated to taxation can really handle it.  

A vast majority of multi-state retailers are not fully compliant with ALL the tax laws.

If you have a company that must collect sales tax from every state, there ~7.5k jurisdictions (including state, county, etc) that collect tax on goods.
As people have stated above, these taxes can be both product AND time based.  Several states do tax holidays on items.  For example, clothing under $100 may be tax free for just the weekend.  On top of that, many states collect tax on the shipping fee.  So not only do you have your $20 UPS/FEDEX/Whatever shipping charge, there's a tax on that $20 as well.
To make it even MORE complex there are tax scenarios that occur when shipping between certain states in which cases tax must be collect for BOTH states, usually at different rates for the same time.

Doing this for one state is not that big of a deal.  Doing it for all of them will put some businesses ... out of of business.

Even then, once you have everything all set up correctly, someone needs to monitor the tax laws in each state because they change ALL the time.  To those who think it's just as simple as calculating a percentage of the price, think again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who&#8217;s actually implemented national tax systems, it&#8217;s a HUGE pain in the ass.  You really need to integrate a third party&#8217;s tax calculation program into your order processing system because tax issues are so time consuming that only a company dedicated to taxation can really handle it.  </p>
<p>A vast majority of multi-state retailers are not fully compliant with ALL the tax laws.</p>
<p>If you have a company that must collect sales tax from every state, there ~7.5k jurisdictions (including state, county, etc) that collect tax on goods.<br />
As people have stated above, these taxes can be both product AND time based.  Several states do tax holidays on items.  For example, clothing under $100 may be tax free for just the weekend.  On top of that, many states collect tax on the shipping fee.  So not only do you have your $20 UPS/FEDEX/Whatever shipping charge, there&#8217;s a tax on that $20 as well.<br />
To make it even MORE complex there are tax scenarios that occur when shipping between certain states in which cases tax must be collect for BOTH states, usually at different rates for the same time.</p>
<p>Doing this for one state is not that big of a deal.  Doing it for all of them will put some businesses &#8230; out of of business.</p>
<p>Even then, once you have everything all set up correctly, someone needs to monitor the tax laws in each state because they change ALL the time.  To those who think it&#8217;s just as simple as calculating a percentage of the price, think again.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2256205</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the question then is, who is the "affiliate" that generated the sale? Let's say a customer clicks on an ad on TechCrunch, which takes the user to Amazon. The user goes away, then comes back to Amazon again the next day through a banner ad on NYTimes.com, that was served up by DoubleClick, then the user goes away and comes back the same day through a direct Ask.com (based in NY) search ad paid for by Amazon and he purchases the item. 
In the affiliate marketing world, affiliates are typically commissioned on items where the link was clicked on within a certain number of days that the consumer clicked on the link (could be 3, 4, 5, etc. days after the click). So, for that sale, Amazon will be paying TechCrunch (a revenue share on the sale), NYTimes and DoubleClick - both based in NY(on a CPM basis). And they'll pay Ask.com on the pay per click.

Such is the integrated world of online marketing. This is going to be extremely difficult to track and a number of major parties will have a major beef with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the question then is, who is the &#8220;affiliate&#8221; that generated the sale? Let&#8217;s say a customer clicks on an ad on TechCrunch, which takes the user to Amazon. The user goes away, then comes back to Amazon again the next day through a banner ad on NYTimes.com, that was served up by DoubleClick, then the user goes away and comes back the same day through a direct Ask.com (based in NY) search ad paid for by Amazon and he purchases the item.<br />
In the affiliate marketing world, affiliates are typically commissioned on items where the link was clicked on within a certain number of days that the consumer clicked on the link (could be 3, 4, 5, etc. days after the click). So, for that sale, Amazon will be paying TechCrunch (a revenue share on the sale), NYTimes and DoubleClick - both based in NY(on a CPM basis). And they&#8217;ll pay Ask.com on the pay per click.</p>
<p>Such is the integrated world of online marketing. This is going to be extremely difficult to track and a number of major parties will have a major beef with it.</p>
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		<title>By: David Oxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Oxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 12:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lordy, the US tax system is incredibly complicated. My mind boggles, the idea of different taxes in a local area and differences between food &#38; clothing and stuff - crikes. Here the shops collect it, we don't have to keep receipts and all that junk to prove to the tax man, and the rates are national and fairly steady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lordy, the US tax system is incredibly complicated. My mind boggles, the idea of different taxes in a local area and differences between food &amp; clothing and stuff - crikes. Here the shops collect it, we don&#8217;t have to keep receipts and all that junk to prove to the tax man, and the rates are national and fairly steady.</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Amazon税は誰が徴収するべきか？</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Amazon税は誰が徴収するべきか？</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 04:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2253405</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 02:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solution: Kill the idiots who make stupid ass laws like this! Or better yet how about we kill all the idiots who don't vote and whom vote idiots into office in the first place. We are to blame. Most Americans are idiots!!! Education in this country sure does suck!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solution: Kill the idiots who make stupid ass laws like this! Or better yet how about we kill all the idiots who don&#8217;t vote and whom vote idiots into office in the first place. We are to blame. Most Americans are idiots!!! Education in this country sure does suck!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Long</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2252464</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken -- Further point on Chris' already great example. Internet-based stores also incur shipping charges. Thus requiring internet businesses to pay sales tax AND shipping fees puts THEM at a serious disadvantage. Drop the sales tax, and the shipping fee is generally a wash with what you would have paid in taxes.

It's simple an extension of the rules that have governed existing catalog businesses for quite some time. And if you stop to think about it, a web "store" is really nothing more than an electronic catalog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken &#8212; Further point on Chris&#8217; already great example. Internet-based stores also incur shipping charges. Thus requiring internet businesses to pay sales tax AND shipping fees puts THEM at a serious disadvantage. Drop the sales tax, and the shipping fee is generally a wash with what you would have paid in taxes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s simple an extension of the rules that have governed existing catalog businesses for quite some time. And if you stop to think about it, a web &#8220;store&#8221; is really nothing more than an electronic catalog.</p>
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		<title>By: Comical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poorly written law? That's a shocker seeing as how the NY State Speaker, Sheldon Silver, is not just a typical state government do nothing but is also David "Cease and Desist" Althoff's fellow graduate of the Brooklyn School of Law...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poorly written law? That&#8217;s a shocker seeing as how the NY State Speaker, Sheldon Silver, is not just a typical state government do nothing but is also David &#8220;Cease and Desist&#8221; Althoff&#8217;s fellow graduate of the Brooklyn School of Law&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brig</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2252265</link>
		<dc:creator>Brig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to move to Vancouver, Washington. No state income tax in Washington, and if you cross the Columbia River to Portland you can make all your purchases there in Oregon where there is no sales tax.

I just think that NYC trying to say that affiliates are part of Amazon is a ridiculous stretch. Affiliates have a marketing arrangement, and are not owned by Amazon. Look at the Articles of Incorporation of any Amazon affiliate ---- are they owned by Amazon? Not at all. Do they file joint taxes in April with Amazon? No. Then they are not owned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to move to Vancouver, Washington. No state income tax in Washington, and if you cross the Columbia River to Portland you can make all your purchases there in Oregon where there is no sales tax.</p>
<p>I just think that NYC trying to say that affiliates are part of Amazon is a ridiculous stretch. Affiliates have a marketing arrangement, and are not owned by Amazon. Look at the Articles of Incorporation of any Amazon affiliate &#8212;- are they owned by Amazon? Not at all. Do they file joint taxes in April with Amazon? No. Then they are not owned.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Canada</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2252192</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Canadian who buys from Amazon U.S. all the time.  I have everything shipped to a friend's house in Ohio.  Canadians living in Ontario pay 6% gst (federal tax) + 8% pst (provincial tax) = 14% on everything we buy, not to mention 50% personal income tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Canadian who buys from Amazon U.S. all the time.  I have everything shipped to a friend&#8217;s house in Ohio.  Canadians living in Ontario pay 6% gst (federal tax) + 8% pst (provincial tax) = 14% on everything we buy, not to mention 50% personal income tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the bookstore guy's argument is pretty stupid...sure lets say the seller of a $50 book online doesn't pay the 7% sales tax if he buys from out of state. But he is forced to pay for having a person package the item, he is forced to go to the post office and drop off his shipment, he is forced to pay for shipping the item, he is forced to deal with chargebacks he is forced to deal with fraud, etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the bookstore guy&#8217;s argument is pretty stupid&#8230;sure lets say the seller of a $50 book online doesn&#8217;t pay the 7% sales tax if he buys from out of state. But he is forced to pay for having a person package the item, he is forced to go to the post office and drop off his shipment, he is forced to pay for shipping the item, he is forced to deal with chargebacks he is forced to deal with fraud, etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2252010</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"But one thing that has been unfair is the sales tax that customers of local bookstores must pay if they buy at the store but are forgiven if they buy from the Internet. This is basically unfair price competition not to mention the lost revenues faced by the city and state."

The problem with this argument is that it fails to recognize that the local business receives myriad services from the state and local government that the internet business does not, its customers should therefore pay for the fair share of receiving those services. I'm thinking of government services such as police, roads for the customers to reach the store, education for the employee's children, Medicaid, etc. The out-of-state internet business on the other hand does not benefit from these services and therefore their customers shouldn't have to pay the sales taxes in their own state. They do pay for part of the roads used in shipping though gas taxes imposed on the Fedex/UPS trucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But one thing that has been unfair is the sales tax that customers of local bookstores must pay if they buy at the store but are forgiven if they buy from the Internet. This is basically unfair price competition not to mention the lost revenues faced by the city and state.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with this argument is that it fails to recognize that the local business receives myriad services from the state and local government that the internet business does not, its customers should therefore pay for the fair share of receiving those services. I&#8217;m thinking of government services such as police, roads for the customers to reach the store, education for the employee&#8217;s children, Medicaid, etc. The out-of-state internet business on the other hand does not benefit from these services and therefore their customers shouldn&#8217;t have to pay the sales taxes in their own state. They do pay for part of the roads used in shipping though gas taxes imposed on the Fedex/UPS trucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Shrisha</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2251970</link>
		<dc:creator>Shrisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad, really.  Why is that when governing bodies of developing countries around the world are taking bold steps to increase the reach of internet &#38; volume of online commerce, we obtusely pass inane, impractical, and often ridiculous laws that are surely not going to help consumers or retailers.  I wonder if Obama or Clinton chimed in on this particular tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad, really.  Why is that when governing bodies of developing countries around the world are taking bold steps to increase the reach of internet &amp; volume of online commerce, we obtusely pass inane, impractical, and often ridiculous laws that are surely not going to help consumers or retailers.  I wonder if Obama or Clinton chimed in on this particular tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabian Schonholz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2251932</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian Schonholz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went through this once and ended up with a bill in liabilities. But Bret is right, it is an issue of nexus and sales taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went through this once and ended up with a bill in liabilities. But Bret is right, it is an issue of nexus and sales taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2251921</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me give you a perspective from the point of view of an independent bookseller.  My brother is the former owner of Cody's Books, a internationally known bookseller located in Berkeley.  It's fallen on hard times, and it is now owned by a large, Japanese corporation.  Independent booksellers have faced a myriad of challenges from the changing technology landscape as well as from the big box retailers and large chains, and no one can argue that they need to adopt the these things.  

But one thing that has been unfair is the sales tax that customers of local bookstores must pay if they buy at the store but are forgiven if they buy from the Internet.  This is basically unfair price competition not to mention the lost revenues faced by the city and state.

I think that requiring equal taxation in these instances is the only reasonably policy, and while it probably wouldn't have prevented the demise of Cody's, it might have lessened the impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me give you a perspective from the point of view of an independent bookseller.  My brother is the former owner of Cody&#8217;s Books, a internationally known bookseller located in Berkeley.  It&#8217;s fallen on hard times, and it is now owned by a large, Japanese corporation.  Independent booksellers have faced a myriad of challenges from the changing technology landscape as well as from the big box retailers and large chains, and no one can argue that they need to adopt the these things.  </p>
<p>But one thing that has been unfair is the sales tax that customers of local bookstores must pay if they buy at the store but are forgiven if they buy from the Internet.  This is basically unfair price competition not to mention the lost revenues faced by the city and state.</p>
<p>I think that requiring equal taxation in these instances is the only reasonably policy, and while it probably wouldn&#8217;t have prevented the demise of Cody&#8217;s, it might have lessened the impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm against the tax, but if someone has to be taxed it should be the SELLERS. They're making the bulk of the cash and they're based in the state. It's their problem. If they don't like New York's laws they can move. Amazon, however, cannot avoid this problem by moving--which just seems wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m against the tax, but if someone has to be taxed it should be the SELLERS. They&#8217;re making the bulk of the cash and they&#8217;re based in the state. It&#8217;s their problem. If they don&#8217;t like New York&#8217;s laws they can move. Amazon, however, cannot avoid this problem by moving&#8211;which just seems wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2251782</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jorge:  If you would cease shouting and name calling for a moment, you might learn something.  The issue is not the state's ability to charge use taxes.  Use taxes are not at all an issue in this case.  This is, in fact, an issue of sales tax.  The problem is, people aren't paying the use taxes that the states have imposed.  Thus, New York is trying to claim that affiliate marketing with in-state partners qualifies as nexus for the purposes of collecting SALES tax under Quill.  If it was an issue of use tax, affiliate marketing partners would have nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jorge:  If you would cease shouting and name calling for a moment, you might learn something.  The issue is not the state&#8217;s ability to charge use taxes.  Use taxes are not at all an issue in this case.  This is, in fact, an issue of sales tax.  The problem is, people aren&#8217;t paying the use taxes that the states have imposed.  Thus, New York is trying to claim that affiliate marketing with in-state partners qualifies as nexus for the purposes of collecting SALES tax under Quill.  If it was an issue of use tax, affiliate marketing partners would have nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: NY Based Affiliate Companies?</title>
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		<dc:creator>NY Based Affiliate Companies?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question that seems to be ignored is not so much the sales tax but the affiliates who have registered companies (ie LLC, Inc, etc.) in NY State. Since they are the ones that NY is using it is just as easy to have Amazon cut off ties with ALL affiliates in NY then they can easily continue shipping sales tax free to NY. 

Yet, all those affiliates would be out of a revenue stream. I would presume the same would happen across multiple aff programs. So indirectly the state is just hurting small business and hindering corporations from being based in NY. I have a feeling many affiliate business will just move out of NY state if this comes to pass. I wonder if Linkshare is a registered company in NY state? Why on earth would any internet business then want to be a NY registered company?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question that seems to be ignored is not so much the sales tax but the affiliates who have registered companies (ie LLC, Inc, etc.) in NY State. Since they are the ones that NY is using it is just as easy to have Amazon cut off ties with ALL affiliates in NY then they can easily continue shipping sales tax free to NY. </p>
<p>Yet, all those affiliates would be out of a revenue stream. I would presume the same would happen across multiple aff programs. So indirectly the state is just hurting small business and hindering corporations from being based in NY. I have a feeling many affiliate business will just move out of NY state if this comes to pass. I wonder if Linkshare is a registered company in NY state? Why on earth would any internet business then want to be a NY registered company?</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/02/who-should-collect-the-amazon-tax/#comment-2251717</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@8 AND ALL YOU MORONS COMPLAINING ABOUT "LOCAL" TAXES:

THIS IS NOT A SALES TAX. IT IS A "USE" TAX. A sales tax = applies to commerce that takes place within the state. A use tax = applies to goods of commerce brought into the state by out-of-state transactions.

The Supreme Court, in National Bellas Hess and Quill, ruled that STATES MAY IMPOSE USE TAXES, exactly like the use tax that NY is attempting to impose on Amazon. IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL under the US Constitution. The reasoning: to internalize the costs of interstate commerce and prevent small states with low tax burdens (due to small populations and thus small needs) from monopolizing shipping-based businesses. 

CITIES AND COUNTIES MAY NOT IMPOSE USE TAXES. So stop whining about all that local tax BS. States have a Constitutionally-recognized power to pass use taxes. Cities and counties do not. (The sales tax is a separate power that flows from the state.)

It's not hard to impose a use tax. MOST STATES DO NOT HAVE USE TAXES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@8 AND ALL YOU MORONS COMPLAINING ABOUT &#8220;LOCAL&#8221; TAXES:</p>
<p>THIS IS NOT A SALES TAX. IT IS A &#8220;USE&#8221; TAX. A sales tax = applies to commerce that takes place within the state. A use tax = applies to goods of commerce brought into the state by out-of-state transactions.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court, in National Bellas Hess and Quill, ruled that STATES MAY IMPOSE USE TAXES, exactly like the use tax that NY is attempting to impose on Amazon. IT&#8217;S COMPLETELY LEGAL under the US Constitution. The reasoning: to internalize the costs of interstate commerce and prevent small states with low tax burdens (due to small populations and thus small needs) from monopolizing shipping-based businesses. </p>
<p>CITIES AND COUNTIES MAY NOT IMPOSE USE TAXES. So stop whining about all that local tax BS. States have a Constitutionally-recognized power to pass use taxes. Cities and counties do not. (The sales tax is a separate power that flows from the state.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to impose a use tax. MOST STATES DO NOT HAVE USE TAXES.</p>
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		<title>By: Pandrogas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pandrogas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a reason most states have a moratorium on internet commerce still.
There just isn't a decent way to handle the taxes generated from state to state.  Let alone actually collect it from people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a reason most states have a moratorium on internet commerce still.<br />
There just isn&#8217;t a decent way to handle the taxes generated from state to state.  Let alone actually collect it from people.</p>
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