Comments on: AOL, RealNetworks and Yahoo Get $100 Million Bill http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/ Startup and Technology News Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:47:50 -0800 hourly 1 By: Nik Hell http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2281886 Nik Hell Wed, 07 May 2008 22:11:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2281886 It's interesting to see how people assume $100M is chump change without any data. The only companies that make money by selling/streaming music are the record labels. Even Apple loses money on track sales, and they use the iTunes to fuel their iPod business, where they have huge profit margins. It's unexplicable to go after internet businesses trying to bring a high quality and legal service to consumers while trying to stay competitive with giants like Apple. All of the revenue (and then some) already goes to the record labels, so that's who the ASCAP people should have a beef with. -nik It’s interesting to see how people assume $100M is chump change without any data.

The only companies that make money by selling/streaming music are the record labels. Even Apple loses money on track sales, and they use the iTunes to fuel their iPod business, where they have huge profit margins.

It’s unexplicable to go after internet businesses trying to bring a high quality and legal service to consumers while trying to stay competitive with giants like Apple. All of the revenue (and then some) already goes to the record labels, so that’s who the ASCAP people should have a beef with.

-nik

]]> By: William Waddell http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2265617 William Waddell Mon, 05 May 2008 04:20:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2265617 Happy to pay the artists. F the labels. Seriously, the transformation of music in the next 10 years should be cool. Bands are born out of a love to play music, tour their collective ass off, seel a ton of T Shirts and gate and release music via the Internet on their own terms as a loss leader. I think the quality of music will actually go up. Happy to pay the artists. F the labels.

Seriously, the transformation of music in the next 10 years should be cool.

Bands are born out of a love to play music, tour their collective ass off, seel a ton of T Shirts and gate and release music via the Internet on their own terms as a loss leader.

I think the quality of music will actually go up.

]]> By: RgnKjnVA http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2250590 RgnKjnVA Fri, 02 May 2008 16:03:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2250590 I'm a little surprised that the big boys didn't have licensing in place to begin with. Maybe they knew they'd get off cheap so it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. I’m a little surprised that the big boys didn’t have licensing in place to begin with. Maybe they knew they’d get off cheap so it’s better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

]]> By: Nick http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2248961 Nick Fri, 02 May 2008 10:25:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2248961 This is just another step in the legitimization of a successful online music industry. I'm watching out for similar deals from YouTube, Google and others. It's a fair price and artists deserve the compensation. I don't think it'll deter startups - In fact, it'll sort the wheat from the chaff. The more services like this realize that they have a responsibility to artists, then the more responsibility they'll have to take in designing their company and making viable business models. That will only help the whole creative enterprise in the long run. This is just another step in the legitimization of a successful online music industry. I’m watching out for similar deals from YouTube, Google and others. It’s a fair price and artists deserve the compensation.

I don’t think it’ll deter startups – In fact, it’ll sort the wheat from the chaff. The more services like this realize that they have a responsibility to artists, then the more responsibility they’ll have to take in designing their company and making viable business models. That will only help the whole creative enterprise in the long run.

]]> By: Ron Diggity http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2248587 Ron Diggity Fri, 02 May 2008 09:02:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2248587 “It is critical that these organizations share a reasonable portion of their sizable revenues with those of us whose content attracts audiences and, ultimately, helps to make their businesses viable." Facebook owes me some money “It is critical that these organizations share a reasonable portion of their sizable revenues with those of us whose content attracts audiences and, ultimately, helps to make their businesses viable.”

Facebook owes me some money

]]> By: NickeyD http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2248163 NickeyD Fri, 02 May 2008 07:25:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2248163 They all knew it was coming sooner or later. Next up, magazine publishers vs. Scribd. They all knew it was coming sooner or later. Next up, magazine publishers vs. Scribd.

]]> By: AOL, Realnetworks y Yahoo! multadas http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2248072 AOL, Realnetworks y Yahoo! multadas Fri, 02 May 2008 07:05:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2248072 [...] Corte Federal ha decidido que AOL, RealNetworks y Yahoo! deben 100 millones de dólares a escritores y compositores de canciones por el streaming de música [...] [...] Corte Federal ha decidido que AOL, RealNetworks y Yahoo! deben 100 millones de dólares a escritores y compositores de canciones por el streaming de música [...]

]]> By: Jon http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2247754 Jon Fri, 02 May 2008 05:43:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2247754 $100 million is a small price to pay for the traffic driven to the websites during that time frame for advertising profits, however, this really deters smaller startups to bring new ideas to the streaming media industry. $100 million is a small price to pay for the traffic driven to the websites during that time frame for advertising profits, however, this really deters smaller startups to bring new ideas to the streaming media industry.

]]> By: Richard C0r5a13 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2247359 Richard C0r5a13 Fri, 02 May 2008 03:50:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2247359 we all know their gonna appeal until the cows come home. we all know their gonna appeal until the cows come home.

]]> By: Andy Wong http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2247330 Andy Wong Fri, 02 May 2008 03:40:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2247330 The cable companies and ISPs should also pay the bill because they allow streaming of the music as well, according to the judge's logic. Yahooooooooo! The cable companies and ISPs should also pay the bill because they allow streaming of the music as well, according to the judge’s logic.

Yahooooooooo!

]]> By: 113.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2247288 113.com Fri, 02 May 2008 03:25:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2247288 Not particularly unfair... Not particularly unfair…

]]> By: Jason Jenkins LIVE! http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2247244 Jason Jenkins LIVE! Fri, 02 May 2008 03:13:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2247244 so how much do p2p networks owe? their 1st born, lol,....this is the biggest joke to ever hit the net. fyi "old" music industry, your day has come and gone..after all if air jordan can get old and outdated anything can, including that old lame business model that you guys are trying to hold on to until the bitter end... YOU CANT SUE YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS ONE...ITS 2008 NOT 1988! so how much do p2p networks owe? their 1st born, lol,….this is the biggest joke to ever hit the net. fyi “old” music industry, your day has come and gone..after all if air jordan can get old and outdated anything can, including that old lame business model that you guys are trying to hold on to until the bitter end… YOU CANT SUE YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS ONE…ITS 2008 NOT 1988!

]]> By: Jason Bogovich http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2247211 Jason Bogovich Fri, 02 May 2008 03:03:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2247211 Okay, if that's the case then Google owns us all like 100 billion, the government doesn't stick up for tech companies like it should, while it will bail out companies that destroyed the life savings of unsuspecting people who were told their entire lives that you can not go wrong with real estate investments. I didn't see this coming most likely because it's stupid. You mean the RIAA isn't paying the composers? Where is my Subscription to Rhapsody over Sonos go?? Okay, if that’s the case then Google owns us all like 100 billion, the government doesn’t stick up for tech companies like it should, while it will bail out companies that destroyed the life savings of unsuspecting people who were told their entire lives that you can not go wrong with real estate investments. I didn’t see this coming most likely because it’s stupid. You mean the RIAA isn’t paying the composers? Where is my Subscription to Rhapsody over Sonos go??

]]> By: Sum Yung Guy http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2247056 Sum Yung Guy Fri, 02 May 2008 02:23:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2247056 This is a case to keep webcasting confined to standalone companies like Pandora and outside of larger companies like Yahoo and AOL. Microsoft distributes Pandora via MSN, but Pandora's bill is based solely on its own revenues. On the other hand AOL owns its webcasting unit and pays based on all of its revenues. It costs more to do webcasting as part of a big company than a small one. And webcasting is the *cheapest* way to do licensed music on the internet. It just sucks to do any kind of business with music licensing and nobody but Apple has ever come out a winner by cutting deals with the industry. This is a case to keep webcasting confined to standalone companies like Pandora and outside of larger companies like Yahoo and AOL. Microsoft distributes Pandora via MSN, but Pandora’s bill is based solely on its own revenues. On the other hand AOL owns its webcasting unit and pays based on all of its revenues. It costs more to do webcasting as part of a big company than a small one.

And webcasting is the *cheapest* way to do licensed music on the internet. It just sucks to do any kind of business with music licensing and nobody but Apple has ever come out a winner by cutting deals with the industry.

]]> By: Victor Agreda Jr http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2246844 Victor Agreda Jr Fri, 02 May 2008 01:29:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2246844 Companies like these guys can absorb this bullshit (note that a senior Time-Warner exec is on the board of ASCAP). Smaller outfits like Pandora are pretty much doomed. Nicely done ASCAP, you're screwing the people you represent long-term for a short-term gain. Somehow. I don't really see the "gain" here, but money is money, right? Lord knows Mariah Carey needs more. Companies like these guys can absorb this bullshit (note that a senior Time-Warner exec is on the board of ASCAP). Smaller outfits like Pandora are pretty much doomed. Nicely done ASCAP, you’re screwing the people you represent long-term for a short-term gain. Somehow. I don’t really see the “gain” here, but money is money, right? Lord knows Mariah Carey needs more.

]]> By: Allan http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2246787 Allan Fri, 02 May 2008 01:16:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2246787 Justr finished to read the 156 pages. Thanks a lot. I spent such a good time. F*** dudes from music industry, you will just go on doing sh... for ever. BTW @andrew I agree this is not such a big bill. Justr finished to read the 156 pages. Thanks a lot. I spent such a good time. F*** dudes from music industry, you will just go on doing sh… for ever.
BTW @andrew I agree this is not such a big bill.

]]> By: Jeff O'Hara http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2246637 Jeff O'Hara Fri, 02 May 2008 00:48:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2246637 The music industry sucks so hard, to many groups have their hands out, it's ridiculous. They need to shut down the RIAA & ASCAP and start over. -Jeff The music industry sucks so hard, to many groups have their hands out, it’s ridiculous. They need to shut down the RIAA & ASCAP and start over.

-Jeff

]]> By: andrew http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2246631 andrew Fri, 02 May 2008 00:47:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2246631 a $100 million bill is nothing compared to the amount of cash they brought in with a high volume of traffic consuming it. i'd say they got it at firesale prices. a $100 million bill is nothing compared to the amount of cash they brought in with a high volume of traffic consuming it. i’d say they got it at firesale prices.

]]> By: SearcH◆ EngineS WEB http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2246543 SearcH◆ EngineS WEB Fri, 02 May 2008 00:26:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/aol-realnetworks-and-yahoo-get-100-milliion-bill/#comment-2246543 Unlike recordng artists - composers may not be profiting directly from the songs being played via the Internet Since they are behind the scenes - they may not be getting viral publicity from their work becoming popular over the Internet They may not even be credited in the Meta Data Unlike recordng artists – composers may not be profiting directly from the songs being played via the Internet

Since they are behind the scenes – they may not be getting viral publicity from their work becoming popular over the Internet

They may not even be credited in the Meta Data

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