Comments on: Microsoft Stops Fighting Linux, And Tries To Give It A Big Bear Hug Instead http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:28:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: nilesh http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2274179 nilesh Tue, 06 May 2008 10:10:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2274179 M$ is stupid. M$ is stupid.

]]> By: Christopher W http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2251963 Christopher W Fri, 02 May 2008 20:36:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2251963 I agree with InfinityTech MS is not playing nicely at all. Although I have to wonder how many of you will hold onto windows for that "needed" app? I jumped ship when XP came out as I liked Windows 2000 then they killed it. Making Windows more likable by making it pretty. Really not a solution and neither is this. If Microsoft truely wanted to play along they would make MS Office 13, IE8, DirectX 11, Windows Media Player 12, and all of their new apps available under Linux natively. Not only that they would allow for something better than wine and offer open source code that would allow for running Windows app "Q" on the Linux Desktop or even Free BSD. To Internet Lawyer: The new kid on the block is really two new kids on the block mobile internet and *AHEM Open Source Software. The mobile market is pwned by Linux on mobile devices iPhone is only the first of something huge. If apple were smart they would have opened the iPhone to allowing people to build apps for it. To JRO: Apple says themselves that 32.5% and Linux grew by like only 1.2% however the 1.2% spike is larger than the 32.5% in sheer numbers just google it i remember reading it somewhere. You will see Linux own the desktop market really soon like within the next say 2 years. When Microsoft decides to push Windows 7 back a few more years people will wake up and remember Vista and Windows ME. I agree with InfinityTech MS is not playing nicely at all. Although I have to wonder how many of you will hold onto windows for that “needed” app? I jumped ship when XP came out as I liked Windows 2000 then they killed it. Making Windows more likable by making it pretty. Really not a solution and neither is this. If Microsoft truely wanted to play along they would make MS Office 13, IE8, DirectX 11, Windows Media Player 12, and all of their new apps available under Linux natively. Not only that they would allow for something better than wine and offer open source code that would allow for running Windows app “Q” on the Linux Desktop or even Free BSD.
To Internet Lawyer:
The new kid on the block is really two new kids on the block mobile internet and *AHEM Open Source Software. The mobile market is pwned by Linux on mobile devices iPhone is only the first of something huge. If apple were smart they would have opened the iPhone to allowing people to build apps for it.
To JRO:
Apple says themselves that 32.5% and Linux grew by like only 1.2% however the 1.2% spike is larger than the 32.5% in sheer numbers just google it i remember reading it somewhere. You will see Linux own the desktop market really soon like within the next say 2 years. When Microsoft decides to push Windows 7 back a few more years people will wake up and remember Vista and Windows ME.

]]> By: LinuxGeek http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2241870 LinuxGeek Thu, 01 May 2008 07:15:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2241870 Looks like Micro$oft has finally read the writing on the wall, so they've decided to embrace *nix instead of fighting it. But...WHO in their right mind would want to use winblows to administer *nix servers? Certainly not me. Anyway, with Ubuntu and other Linux distros making installing/using Linux easier than ever--and certainly easier, FASTER, and more straightforward than installing/using winblows--M$ knows it's going to lose considerable market share in the desktop realm over the next few years, so I guess they have to do SOMETHING to try to cling onto whatever they can, be it server or desktop... Looks like Micro$oft has finally read the writing on the wall, so they’ve decided to embrace *nix instead of fighting it. But…WHO in their right mind would want to use winblows to administer *nix servers? Certainly not me. Anyway, with Ubuntu and other Linux distros making installing/using Linux easier than ever–and certainly easier, FASTER, and more straightforward than installing/using winblows–M$ knows it’s going to lose considerable market share in the desktop realm over the next few years, so I guess they have to do SOMETHING to try to cling onto whatever they can, be it server or desktop…

]]> By: InfinityTech http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2236070 InfinityTech Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:32:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2236070 All of you who believe Microsoft has suddenly changed its spots are naive at best... actually no, you're just plain idiots. Microsoft's history of monopoly abuse is so well documented that there is no need to repeat it here. In the last twelve months I and my colleagues in this industry have watched with disgust some of the worst behavior we've ever seen from this monopolist. And again, it is well documented. Make no mistake, Microsoft is an insidious cancer on the industry we would all be well rid of. To say that those of you who think Microsoft has suddenly turned all nicey nicey have not been paying attention is being far too nice; You are a willfully ignorant bunch of mentally challenged lemmings. All of you who believe Microsoft has suddenly changed its spots are naive at best… actually no, you’re just plain idiots.

Microsoft’s history of monopoly abuse is so well documented that there is no need to repeat it here. In the last twelve months I and my colleagues in this industry have watched with disgust some of the worst behavior we’ve ever seen from this monopolist. And again, it is well documented. Make no mistake, Microsoft is an insidious cancer on the industry we would all be well rid of.

To say that those of you who think Microsoft has suddenly turned all nicey nicey have not been paying attention is being far too nice; You are a willfully ignorant bunch of mentally challenged lemmings.

]]> By: Bashar http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2235641 Bashar Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:03:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2235641 And who actually wants Windows to manage Linux? And who actually wants Windows to manage Linux?

]]> By: Marc http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2235281 Marc Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:20:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2235281 Haha... Microsoft is not embracing anything. This is not a smart move either. This is being backed up against a wall and being forced to capitulate and take a subservient position in the marketplace rather than being publicly executed. This inherently defensive play is the first of many that will reduce Microsoft's share in market even further. Combine this with fact that they will lose a huge share of the desktop OS market over the next 5 years. They will be relegated to the same markets as companies like Adobe. Haha… Microsoft is not embracing anything. This is not a smart move either. This is being backed up against a wall and being forced to capitulate and take a subservient position in the marketplace rather than being publicly executed.

This inherently defensive play is the first of many that will reduce Microsoft’s share in market even further. Combine this with fact that they will lose a huge share of the desktop OS market over the next 5 years. They will be relegated to the same markets as companies like Adobe.

]]> By: jro http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234566 jro Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:59:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234566 "Consider that Apple increased their PC market share by 32.5%..." @MattW: can you provide a link that backs up this percentage? And are you talking about hardware or OS, or something else more specific? “Consider that Apple increased their PC market share by 32.5%…”

@MattW: can you provide a link that backs up this percentage? And are you talking about hardware or OS, or something else more specific?

]]> By: Internet Lawyer http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234559 Internet Lawyer Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:57:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234559 Embrace and extend, this is smart move on Microsoft's part. The monopolist view no longer pays dividends, so they must play by different rules. This is not surprising. Monopolies are predictable precisely because they must make the rational move. Ditto Google. You can predict that they will continue to dominate everything that is reachable by their DNA until they are forced to embrace and extend. Rational business decisions have their own built in limitations. They tend to kill innovation because a monopolist must first and foremost protect the monopoly. They can't afford to cannibalize their own market dominance in pursuit of the next new/new thing. Sure they will be fast followers or simply crush or buy everything in sight, but they won't see the true innovator coming. It is the way it works. IBM. Microsoft. Google. Some new kid on the block. Embrace and extend, this is smart move on Microsoft’s part. The monopolist view no longer pays dividends, so they must play by different rules. This is not surprising. Monopolies are predictable precisely because they must make the rational move. Ditto Google. You can predict that they will continue to dominate everything that is reachable by their DNA until they are forced to embrace and extend. Rational business decisions have their own built in limitations. They tend to kill innovation because a monopolist must first and foremost protect the monopoly. They can’t afford to cannibalize their own market dominance in pursuit of the next new/new thing. Sure they will be fast followers or simply crush or buy everything in sight, but they won’t see the true innovator coming. It is the way it works. IBM. Microsoft. Google. Some new kid on the block.

]]> By: An understandable description of Microsoft Mesh. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234470 An understandable description of Microsoft Mesh. Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:03:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234470 [...] this also explains why Microsoft as gone all Open of late.  Literally giving Linux a big bear Hug.  The Mesh platform will run on PC, Mac and Linux.  Microsoft will no longer care about the [...] [...] this also explains why Microsoft as gone all Open of late.  Literally giving Linux a big bear Hug.  The Mesh platform will run on PC, Mac and Linux.  Microsoft will no longer care about the [...]

]]> By: smcnally http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234347 smcnally Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:40:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234347 MS SCUM2CRAP ? MS SCUM2CRAP

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]]> By: Brian http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234224 Brian Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:48:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234224 "Consider that Apple increased their PC market share by 32.5% in first quarter, whereas Linux grew by….something smaller? Perhaps Redmond would rather fight someone they believe they can beat, rather than fighting apple." Or it could be that there's no market for managing Apple's OS in most major datacenters. Apple does great in the home market, considerably less so in the enterprise. “Consider that Apple increased their PC market share by 32.5% in first quarter, whereas Linux grew by….something smaller? Perhaps Redmond would rather fight someone they believe they can beat, rather than fighting apple.”

Or it could be that there’s no market for managing Apple’s OS in most major datacenters. Apple does great in the home market, considerably less so in the enterprise.

]]> By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » MSがLinux戦の手を休め、大きなボディロック的抱擁を仕掛ける http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234043 TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » MSがLinux戦の手を休め、大きなボディロック的抱擁を仕掛ける Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:50:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234043 [...] [原文へ] [...] [...] [原文へ] [...]

]]> By: HabsQ http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234041 HabsQ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:49:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2234041 After this we'll see the next Windows using Linux's kernel... Sounds very interesting. After this we’ll see the next Windows using Linux’s kernel… Sounds very interesting.

]]> By: MattW http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233975 MattW Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:24:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233975 Consider that Apple increased their PC market share by 32.5% in first quarter, whereas Linux grew by....something smaller? Perhaps Redmond would rather fight someone they believe they can beat, rather than fighting apple. Consider that Apple increased their PC market share by 32.5% in first quarter, whereas Linux grew by….something smaller? Perhaps Redmond would rather fight someone they believe they can beat, rather than fighting apple.

]]> By: Masseratti http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233878 Masseratti Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:48:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233878 "a new tactic in the war against Linux" We linux0rs are not at war with M$. They are in a war with themselves. And they will end up killing themselves. “a new tactic in the war against Linux”

We linux0rs are not at war with M$.
They are in a war with themselves.
And they will end up killing themselves.

]]> By: Rajesh http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233870 Rajesh Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:46:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233870 "What Microosft is signaling here is a new tactic" Spelling mistake: "Microsoft" --> "Microosft" “What Microosft is signaling here is a new tactic”

Spelling mistake: “Microsoft” –> “Microosft”

]]> By: Kevin Kris http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233827 Kevin Kris Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:31:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233827 First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. Looks like logical next step for linux is to WIN. First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.

Looks like logical next step for linux is to WIN.

]]> By: Michael Koby http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233764 Michael Koby Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:06:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233764 Technology PR, that agreement was 2 fold, it was one part good publicity and one part give Novel indemification on Microsoft's supposed patents that might be found in Linux. That move however has led to collaboration on the Silverlight/Moonlight/.Net/Mono projects which is a good thing in my opinion. But the agreement was really nothing more than PR indemfication move. Microsoft's "Be More Opne" mess they announced earlier this year is more of an embrace of Linux that than the Novell pact. And this looks like they might actually follow through on this time :-) Technology PR, that agreement was 2 fold, it was one part good publicity and one part give Novel indemification on Microsoft’s supposed patents that might be found in Linux. That move however has led to collaboration on the Silverlight/Moonlight/.Net/Mono projects which is a good thing in my opinion. But the agreement was really nothing more than PR indemfication move.

Microsoft’s “Be More Opne” mess they announced earlier this year is more of an embrace of Linux that than the Novell pact. And this looks like they might actually follow through on this time :-)

]]> By: Peter Urban http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233759 Peter Urban Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:05:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233759 Comment on TechCrunch: Microsoft Stops Fighting Linux {seesmic_video:{"url_thumbnail":{"value":"http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/vxcXxCO95s_th1.jpg"}"title":{"value":"Comment on TechCrunch: Microsoft Stops Fighting Linux "}"videoUri":{"value":"http://www.seesmic.com/video/z6m44Izd57"}}} Comment on TechCrunch: Microsoft Stops Fighting Linux 

]]> By: Technology PR http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233720 Technology PR Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:53:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/29/microsoft-stops-fighting-linux-and-tries-to-give-it-a-big-bear-hug-instead/#comment-2233720 Microsoft already took a step towards embracing Linux when it partnered with Novell in 2006. Under that agreement, Novell and Microsoft decided to collaborate and make it easy for customers to use both Suse Linux and Windows. Read this news on WSJ if you want more details http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116249026689311557-helTbrheLKgbaJ5iO5z40ZFCiOs_20061109.html Microsoft already took a step towards embracing Linux when it partnered with Novell in 2006. Under that agreement, Novell and Microsoft decided to collaborate and make it easy for customers to use both Suse Linux and Windows. Read this news on WSJ if you want more details
http://online.wsj.com/public/a.....61109.html

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