Comments on: Microsoft Says Yes With Mesh http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/ Startup and Technology News Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:35:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: //steve clayton: geek in disguise : Live Mesh and MobileMe http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2378684 //steve clayton: geek in disguise : Live Mesh and MobileMe Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:37:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2378684 [...] that helps! I ought to track down what Steve Gillmor thinks as he seems to “get” Mesh. Filed under: Apple, [...] [...] that helps! I ought to track down what Steve Gillmor thinks as he seems to “get” Mesh. Filed under: Apple, [...]

]]> By: ESPN Dev Blog » Blog Archive » Web 2.0 Conf, Day 2: The Clone Wars http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2305484 ESPN Dev Blog » Blog Archive » Web 2.0 Conf, Day 2: The Clone Wars Sun, 18 May 2008 07:47:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2305484 [...] Then there were the keynotes. O'Reilly got people all O'riled up and read a 50-line Rilke poem (which was not part of the O'riling). Max Levchin (dude who created PayPal and Slide) basically told us to, in the words of Winston Churchill, "never surrender." I think Churchill was actually talking about Internet startups too when he said that. Can't remember. Amit Mital from Microsoft showcased their newest product "Microsoft Mesh". This new product basically syncs files across any number of devices and greatly eases the ability to share files with others. I feel like there's going to be a fair amount of overhead to learn how to actually use the system for the average user - Microsoft has a pretty spotty history in terms of designing for the computer-savvy. I know, for example, that no member of my family would be able to figure out what he was showing in his video. (Paraphrasing) "You open up the mesh, attach your devices or link to them via your network, open up your target folder, and drag and drop files you want to add to your mesh. Files you want to share can be dragged to your shared mesh, etc etc." My Mom and Dad would be mouth agape after "You open up the mesh"... It's just too complicated. Not to mention it only works with Microsoft products, though they claim Mac support is coming. So we'll see how useful it actually turns out to be. It's an okay idea though. Steve Gillmor likes it: Microsoft Says Yes With Mesh [...] [...] Then there were the keynotes. O’Reilly got people all O’riled up and read a 50-line Rilke poem (which was not part of the O’riling). Max Levchin (dude who created PayPal and Slide) basically told us to, in the words of Winston Churchill, “never surrender.” I think Churchill was actually talking about Internet startups too when he said that. Can’t remember. Amit Mital from Microsoft showcased their newest product “Microsoft Mesh”. This new product basically syncs files across any number of devices and greatly eases the ability to share files with others. I feel like there’s going to be a fair amount of overhead to learn how to actually use the system for the average user - Microsoft has a pretty spotty history in terms of designing for the computer-savvy. I know, for example, that no member of my family would be able to figure out what he was showing in his video. (Paraphrasing) “You open up the mesh, attach your devices or link to them via your network, open up your target folder, and drag and drop files you want to add to your mesh. Files you want to share can be dragged to your shared mesh, etc etc.” My Mom and Dad would be mouth agape after “You open up the mesh”… It’s just too complicated. Not to mention it only works with Microsoft products, though they claim Mac support is coming. So we’ll see how useful it actually turns out to be. It’s an okay idea though. Steve Gillmor likes it: Microsoft Says Yes With Mesh [...]

]]> By: Rare United States Coins http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2296659 Rare United States Coins Wed, 14 May 2008 17:11:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2296659 <strong>Rare United States Coins...</strong> I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you.... Rare United States Coins…

I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you….

]]> By: Trackonomics http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2257928 Trackonomics Sat, 03 May 2008 21:35:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2257928 [...] The Gillmor Gang on TechCrunch went as well as could be expected. After the reunion cattle call and last week’s Mesh interrogation of David Treadwell, the apparent news shifted back to the denouement of the Microsoft Yahoo [...] [...] The Gillmor Gang on TechCrunch went as well as could be expected. After the reunion cattle call and last week’s Mesh interrogation of David Treadwell, the apparent news shifted back to the denouement of the Microsoft Yahoo [...]

]]> By: Trackonomics http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2257929 Trackonomics Sat, 03 May 2008 21:35:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2257929 [...] The Gillmor Gang on TechCrunch went as well as could be expected. After the reunion cattle call and last week’s Mesh interrogation of David Treadwell, the apparent news shifted back to the denouement of the Microsoft Yahoo [...] [...] The Gillmor Gang on TechCrunch went as well as could be expected. After the reunion cattle call and last week’s Mesh interrogation of David Treadwell, the apparent news shifted back to the denouement of the Microsoft Yahoo [...]

]]> By: vaspers http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2251238 vaspers Fri, 02 May 2008 18:11:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2251238 In his long-winded podcast where he shouted down Prokofy, Steve Gillmor reminded me of Rush Limbaugh. He doesn't understand Twitter at all, refuses to use @username to reply, and yaks on and on about his dopey "track methodolgy" to monitor mentions of his name. Arrogant. Pompous. Long-winded. Prolix. i.e., old fashioned "command and control" mentality. In his long-winded podcast where he shouted down Prokofy, Steve Gillmor reminded me of Rush Limbaugh. He doesn’t understand Twitter at all, refuses to use @username to reply, and yaks on and on about his dopey “track methodolgy” to monitor mentions of his name.

Arrogant. Pompous. Long-winded. Prolix.

i.e., old fashioned “command and control” mentality.

]]> By: Weekly microsoft oriented crumbs #2 - Service Endpoint http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2234960 Weekly microsoft oriented crumbs #2 - Service Endpoint Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:05:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2234960 [...] Microsoft Says Yes With Mesh - Steve Gilmores take on Live Mesh and a with talks to David Treadwell, VP of the Live Platform Services in his podcast [...] [...] Microsoft Says Yes With Mesh - Steve Gilmores take on Live Mesh and a with talks to David Treadwell, VP of the Live Platform Services in his podcast [...]

]]> By: Steve Gillmor says … huh? http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2234914 Steve Gillmor says … huh? Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:49:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2234914 [...] sent this link as a “great article about Live Mesh” ... and it was so bad, that I just have to rant [...] [...] sent this link as a “great article about Live Mesh” … and it was so bad, that I just have to rant [...]

]]> By: Weekly SOA crumbs #15: Have you seen the latest “mesh”up from Microsoft? - Service Endpoint http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2234908 Weekly SOA crumbs #15: Have you seen the latest “mesh”up from Microsoft? - Service Endpoint Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:44:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2234908 [...] Microsoft Says Yes With Mesh - Steve Gilmores take on Live Mesh and also talks to David Treadwell, VP of the Live Platform Services in his podcast [...] [...] Microsoft Says Yes With Mesh - Steve Gilmores take on Live Mesh and also talks to David Treadwell, VP of the Live Platform Services in his podcast [...]

]]> By: Paul http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2234222 Paul Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:48:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2234222 Hate to be crass, but MS is really good at building a thousand free things, but it only makes money on about four: Windows, Office, SQL and Exchange. Where's the money? At the end of the day, that's what it's all about, especially for MS. Will commercial t?rds drop through the mesh onto every personal interaction? Hate to be crass, but MS is really good at building a thousand free things, but it only makes money on about four: Windows, Office, SQL and Exchange. Where’s the money? At the end of the day, that’s what it’s all about, especially for MS. Will commercial t?rds drop through the mesh onto every personal interaction?

]]> By: Miles (SEM iCluck) http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2234088 Miles (SEM iCluck) Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:04:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2234088 Mesh = good, Thank god. Microsoft may still eventually die into the shadows but I have a feeling this Yahoo! deal will become more and more interesting - especially if the deal is a hostile takeover, that will ruin employee retention and Yahoo! will basically be a Yahoo!less company...........Poor Microsoft Mesh = good, Thank god. Microsoft may still eventually die into the shadows but I have a feeling this Yahoo! deal will become more and more interesting - especially if the deal is a hostile takeover, that will ruin employee retention and Yahoo! will basically be a Yahoo!less company………..Poor Microsoft

]]> By: Amyloo http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2233079 Amyloo Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:50:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2233079 "Anyway, I’m guessing his posts will come in moderation given the visceral reaction fm a large number of the posts." Oh, I get it now. You guys think you have some _power_. That's pretty interesting. This reaction is all pretty interesting. “Anyway, I’m guessing his posts will come in moderation given the visceral reaction fm a large number of the posts.”

Oh, I get it now. You guys think you have some _power_. That’s pretty interesting. This reaction is all pretty interesting.

]]> By: P-Air http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2232418 P-Air Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:13:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2232418 It's all about context. Steve's writing in a more proper Gillmor context (like on the Gillmore Gang) is more enjoyable than in a TechCrunch context. While he wrote a thought provoking piece, I didn't come to TechCrunch for "thought provoking", I came for some down time catch up on my news bytes. I don't always agree w/Steve's perspectives, but do appreciate the thoughtfulness behind his posts (though I do occasionally get annoyed by the self aggrandizing tone and style, almost patronizing or belittling the reader...kinda reminds of Diane Chambers fm Cheers!). Anyway, I'm guessing his posts will come in moderation given the visceral reaction fm a large number of the posts. It’s all about context. Steve’s writing in a more proper Gillmor context (like on the Gillmore Gang) is more enjoyable than in a TechCrunch context. While he wrote a thought provoking piece, I didn’t come to TechCrunch for “thought provoking”, I came for some down time catch up on my news bytes. I don’t always agree w/Steve’s perspectives, but do appreciate the thoughtfulness behind his posts (though I do occasionally get annoyed by the self aggrandizing tone and style, almost patronizing or belittling the reader…kinda reminds of Diane Chambers fm Cheers!). Anyway, I’m guessing his posts will come in moderation given the visceral reaction fm a large number of the posts.

]]> By: mesh-ified! « thirdrow http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2232317 mesh-ified! « thirdrow Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:38:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2232317 [...] will be another great product from MS. And it’s been getting a good review. Here’s a great article from TechCrunch stating why Google should be worry about Live Mesh. And here’s another from [...] [...] will be another great product from MS. And it’s been getting a good review. Here’s a great article from TechCrunch stating why Google should be worry about Live Mesh. And here’s another from [...]

]]> By: Chris Brogan... http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2232178 Chris Brogan... Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:39:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2232178 I'm still over here thinking, "Steve's writing at TechCrunch?" ... Guess a week away from tech blogs really leaves one in the dark. Write the way you like, Steve. I'd read you anywhere. I’m still over here thinking, “Steve’s writing at TechCrunch?” … Guess a week away from tech blogs really leaves one in the dark.

Write the way you like, Steve. I’d read you anywhere.

]]> By: Gillmor Gang rebounds « Filtered Media http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2231813 Gillmor Gang rebounds « Filtered Media Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:57:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2231813 [...] wrap your noggin around this post and comments at TechCrunch. The fun has started. Possibly related posts: (automatically [...] [...] wrap your noggin around this post and comments at TechCrunch. The fun has started. Possibly related posts: (automatically [...]

]]> By: Mark Jones http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2231798 Mark Jones Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:53:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2231798 I haven't chuckled my way through a comment stream like this for ages. I haven’t chuckled my way through a comment stream like this for ages.

]]> By: Blue Sky http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2231524 Blue Sky Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:16:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2231524 I think I understood to article. Reading it was an excellent mental exercise when compared to the what I frequently read in similar posts. I do however get the feeling that there's an elitist group here looking down their collective noses at those who find this type of writing daunting to make sense of. I think the suggestion of providing a clear summary of the post is valid. Someone with better writing skills and more familiar with the subject matter than myself should take this on. This is based on the assumption you want a wider audience to understand the information being discussed which I hope is the case. I think I understood to article. Reading it was an excellent mental exercise when compared to the what I frequently read in similar posts. I do however get the feeling that there’s an elitist group here looking down their collective noses at those who find this type of writing daunting to make sense of. I think the suggestion of providing a clear summary of the post is valid. Someone with better writing skills and more familiar with the subject matter than myself should take this on. This is based on the assumption you want a wider audience to understand the information being discussed which I hope is the case.

]]> By: Dennis Howlett http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2231460 Dennis Howlett Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:46:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2231460 I don't care what the other 90% think - Steve's insights are well worth the reading. Pity so many people can't appreciate good literature. I don’t care what the other 90% think - Steve’s insights are well worth the reading. Pity so many people can’t appreciate good literature.

]]> By: Ken Camp http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230953 Ken Camp Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:59:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230953 It was the longest nonsensical haiku in the history of the form. It was the longest nonsensical haiku in the history of the form.

]]> By: Pat Hawks http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230954 Pat Hawks Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:59:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230954 Was this article a waste of my time? Yes. Was this story filled with made up terms that only exist to a microbig riding the SocMedBS bus to Officenomics? Yes. Will I quit reading TechCrunch if they start trying to publish more junk like this? The answer is a resounding yes. Was this article a waste of my time? Yes.
Was this story filled with made up terms that only exist to a microbig riding the SocMedBS bus to Officenomics? Yes.
Will I quit reading TechCrunch if they start trying to publish more junk like this?
The answer is a resounding yes.

]]> By: Learning Aesthetics - Mesh http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230917 Learning Aesthetics - Mesh Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:49:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230917 [...] Gillmor has a TechCrunch post which demo’s that [...] [...] Gillmor has a TechCrunch post which demo’s that [...]

]]> By: Mahadev http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230813 Mahadev Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:13:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230813 It truly scares me to think there are people out there that think that Gillmor makes any form of sense whatsoever. It truly scares me to think there are people out there that think that Gillmor makes any form of sense whatsoever.

]]> By: eikonos http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230555 eikonos Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:57:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230555 I agree with (what seems to be) the basic point: Mesh is good, however the writing is spectacularly, astonishingly bad. Really, really awful. I agree with (what seems to be) the basic point: Mesh is good, however the writing is spectacularly, astonishingly bad. Really, really awful.

]]> By: Lawrence Salberg http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230554 Lawrence Salberg Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:56:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/27/just-say-yes/#comment-2230554 Soooo.... I thought I'd leave a brief comment saying that this "new guy" seems to be an excellent writer and that I enjoyed creative phrases like "standards baked in the dark having the same dubious odor" and "the seeming invulnerability of Gates’ machine accelerated to the boundaries of global saturation". Then I see the 70+ comments decrying the use of big words and flowery language. And the references to Jane Austin (as if that commenter has ever read Austin or any classic literature to know of what he speaks). And the general malaise that fell upon said commenters as they struggled to engage their brain beyond their typical myopic 30-second samples of CollegeHumor. And I'm at once both irritated and pleased. I see how an intelligent man like this Gillmor guy cuts through so much with this article, and yet, how so few are capable of understanding it. We have so much farther to go as a society. But, then, as I write this, I'm reminded of one of my biggest pet peeves in the blogosphere and how Gillmor-esque writing may be the silent solution to one day ending tardo anonymous comments. TechCrunch has the oddest assembly of comments anywhere - gurus like Scoble mixed in with fools like JoeUser. But maybe a blog that has a higher level of quality writing, not just highly sought after content, but content that is well-written (and humorous) can slowly make those JoeUser fiends disappear. They simply can't engage what they don't understand. Sort of a Jane Austin captcha. Of course, if I had my two cents worth, it would be to mix both. I don't even know who this guy is - or his thrice-linked-to Gillmor Gang, but we could use a little more of it from time to time, me thinks. BTW, when I clicked the "About TechCrunch" link (before I saw Gillmor's bio at the bottom) I didn't see him. But I did notice some female CEO named Heather who was listed first? Huh? Who the heck is she and why is she at the top of the page above Arrington and Schoenfield, et. al.? Just because she's the token CEO? If Mike got his girlfriend to sign her name on some state document, all well and good. But we don't give a flying leap about her - certainly not with the first billing she got on that page. Anyway, for those commenters who got lost with this, here's your Twitter-esque summary: "Gillmor good, dumb commenters bad, Heather on bottom, Arrington on top". Yeah, I know. That sounded bad. Sorry. It couldn't be avoided in the 140 character limit. Soooo…. I thought I’d leave a brief comment saying that this “new guy” seems to be an excellent writer and that I enjoyed creative phrases like “standards baked in the dark having the same dubious odor” and “the seeming invulnerability of Gates’ machine accelerated to the boundaries of global saturation”.

Then I see the 70+ comments decrying the use of big words and flowery language. And the references to Jane Austin (as if that commenter has ever read Austin or any classic literature to know of what he speaks). And the general malaise that fell upon said commenters as they struggled to engage their brain beyond their typical myopic 30-second samples of CollegeHumor.

And I’m at once both irritated and pleased. I see how an intelligent man like this Gillmor guy cuts through so much with this article, and yet, how so few are capable of understanding it. We have so much farther to go as a society.

But, then, as I write this, I’m reminded of one of my biggest pet peeves in the blogosphere and how Gillmor-esque writing may be the silent solution to one day ending tardo anonymous comments. TechCrunch has the oddest assembly of comments anywhere - gurus like Scoble mixed in with fools like JoeUser.

But maybe a blog that has a higher level of quality writing, not just highly sought after content, but content that is well-written (and humorous) can slowly make those JoeUser fiends disappear. They simply can’t engage what they don’t understand. Sort of a Jane Austin captcha.

Of course, if I had my two cents worth, it would be to mix both. I don’t even know who this guy is - or his thrice-linked-to Gillmor Gang, but we could use a little more of it from time to time, me thinks.

BTW, when I clicked the “About TechCrunch” link (before I saw Gillmor’s bio at the bottom) I didn’t see him. But I did notice some female CEO named Heather who was listed first? Huh? Who the heck is she and why is she at the top of the page above Arrington and Schoenfield, et. al.? Just because she’s the token CEO? If Mike got his girlfriend to sign her name on some state document, all well and good. But we don’t give a flying leap about her - certainly not with the first billing she got on that page.

Anyway, for those commenters who got lost with this, here’s your Twitter-esque summary: “Gillmor good, dumb commenters bad, Heather on bottom, Arrington on top”.

Yeah, I know. That sounded bad. Sorry. It couldn’t be avoided in the 140 character limit.

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