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	<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Challenges of Scaling Twitter's Follower Model - Loosely Coupled has moved</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2328667</link>
		<dc:creator>The Challenges of Scaling Twitter's Follower Model - Loosely Coupled has moved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 16:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with this on a real-time basis. (Facebook does in fact employ model #1 above for the news feeds - the reason you can't really delete a story from your mini-feed - but it doesn't need to do that on a real-time basis). Before we even get to the I/O math that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with this on a real-time basis. (Facebook does in fact employ model #1 above for the news feeds - the reason you can&#8217;t really delete a story from your mini-feed - but it doesn&#8217;t need to do that on a real-time basis). Before we even get to the I/O math that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Noel-Storr</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2189738</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Noel-Storr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lie (sorry, potentially misleading phrase) has been removed from the dialog box, and it no longer says "and will prevent anyone from seeing it":

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2798494&#38;o=all&#38;op=1&#38;view=all&#38;subj=7967973537&#38;aid=-1&#38;id=840200214&#38;oid=7967973537</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lie (sorry, potentially misleading phrase) has been removed from the dialog box, and it no longer says &#8220;and will prevent anyone from seeing it&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2798494&amp;o=all&amp;op=1&amp;view=all&amp;subj=7967973537&amp;aid=-1&amp;id=840200214&amp;oid=7967973537" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/photo......7967973537</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mario Mansour</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2189034</link>
		<dc:creator>Mario Mansour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you scratching your heads so much, just delete your account and forget about all these social networking sites. Go to a pub, have a couple of beers, live and stop these stupid activities behind a machine.

I think we should think about it, is social network sites what we really want? The misleading idea behind connecting people is really keeping people apart.
It can connect you to a friend in the other end of the world, but thats not exclusive. I've seen people within the same building socializing on the internet.

Come on!! wake up people...This is really getting seriously dumb. Stop it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you scratching your heads so much, just delete your account and forget about all these social networking sites. Go to a pub, have a couple of beers, live and stop these stupid activities behind a machine.</p>
<p>I think we should think about it, is social network sites what we really want? The misleading idea behind connecting people is really keeping people apart.<br />
It can connect you to a friend in the other end of the world, but thats not exclusive. I&#8217;ve seen people within the same building socializing on the internet.</p>
<p>Come on!! wake up people&#8230;This is really getting seriously dumb. Stop it</p>
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		<title>By: Law Bites &#187; Understanding the Facebook News Feed</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2181986</link>
		<dc:creator>Law Bites &#187; Understanding the Facebook News Feed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jason Kincaid highlights a commonly misunderstood feature of the Facebook News Feed (I know it took me a while to realise [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WinExtra &#187; From the Pipeline - 4.15.08</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2181569</link>
		<dc:creator>WinExtra &#187; From the Pipeline - 4.15.08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Facebook News Feed Reports on You Behind Your Back :: TechCrunch - in this corner we have the conspiracy crew voting that it&#8217;s the Beast of Facebook doing its evil deeds and in the other corner is everyone else saying chill-out it&#8217;s probably just a bug in the system. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Facebook News Feed Reports on You Behind Your Back :: TechCrunch - in this corner we have the conspiracy crew voting that it&#8217;s the Beast of Facebook doing its evil deeds and in the other corner is everyone else saying chill-out it&#8217;s probably just a bug in the system. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: disinfo.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2181439</link>
		<dc:creator>disinfo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Facebook Junkies Alert &#8212; It's Sending Along Info When You Think Facebook Isn't To Your Friends...&lt;/strong&gt;

Jason Kincaid reports on TechCrunch:The Facebook News Feed is a strange beast. Upon its release, it was met with an extremely negative reception as members protested their new ‘auto-stalker’, but it has slowly gained acceptance as users learned the...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Facebook Junkies Alert &mdash; It&#8217;s Sending Along Info When You Think Facebook Isn&#8217;t To Your Friends&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Jason Kincaid reports on TechCrunch:The Facebook News Feed is a strange beast. Upon its release, it was met with an extremely negative reception as members protested their new ‘auto-stalker’, but it has slowly gained acceptance as users learned the&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fidel Cast</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2181041</link>
		<dc:creator>Fidel Cast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who still uses FB?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who still uses FB?</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Benedetto</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2180789</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Benedetto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@luke (re: #31)

My little sister DID see my "Mourning Jessica Alba's Vagina" test event, and she was very, very proud. ;-)</description>
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<p>My little sister DID see my &#8220;Mourning Jessica Alba&#8217;s Vagina&#8221; test event, and she was very, very proud. <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Facebook Opens Up Mini-Feed To 3rd Party Services</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2180680</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook Opens Up Mini-Feed To 3rd Party Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feed recently made headlines for a privacy issue that distributed user stories that they had not approved. As far as we know, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Feed recently made headlines for a privacy issue that distributed user stories that they had not approved. As far as we know, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Noel-Storr</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2180653</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Noel-Storr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@amit - it would take more co-operation to pull back emails, as anyone is able to write an email client, and even if it the deletion mechanism you describe were part of the protocol, they would be completely at liberty to ignore this part of the protocol.  The Facebook news feed is entirely at the control of Facebook, so it is perfectly simple for them to remove items from users feeds.  The fact that you reportedly *can* remove them from friends feeds using the "I did not do this" option, also, in my opinion, makes you argument somewhat void.  I'm also not convinced by your "guided assumption" as to how it works, but lets not get into a technical debate about the internal workings of Facebooks news feed system.

You are also absolutely correct that someone could have read the feed story before you have hidden it; but that is a pathetic reason not to try and stop further reading of it.  Someone could already have seen it in my mini feed, but there is still the option to hide it.  Obviously there are limitations to what can be done, but I don't believe pulling it from a friends feed is such a limitation.

Also, it is true that my main aim is to change the behaviour; however, if that is really not possible, than at minimum the text should be changed, and users should be made more aware of the behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@amit - it would take more co-operation to pull back emails, as anyone is able to write an email client, and even if it the deletion mechanism you describe were part of the protocol, they would be completely at liberty to ignore this part of the protocol.  The Facebook news feed is entirely at the control of Facebook, so it is perfectly simple for them to remove items from users feeds.  The fact that you reportedly *can* remove them from friends feeds using the &#8220;I did not do this&#8221; option, also, in my opinion, makes you argument somewhat void.  I&#8217;m also not convinced by your &#8220;guided assumption&#8221; as to how it works, but lets not get into a technical debate about the internal workings of Facebooks news feed system.</p>
<p>You are also absolutely correct that someone could have read the feed story before you have hidden it; but that is a pathetic reason not to try and stop further reading of it.  Someone could already have seen it in my mini feed, but there is still the option to hide it.  Obviously there are limitations to what can be done, but I don&#8217;t believe pulling it from a friends feed is such a limitation.</p>
<p>Also, it is true that my main aim is to change the behaviour; however, if that is really not possible, than at minimum the text should be changed, and users should be made more aware of the behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: Reasons Why Blogging Is Better Than The Sinister Facebook Number 129,234,911 &#171; ¡Oye Billy!</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2180359</link>
		<dc:creator>Reasons Why Blogging Is Better Than The Sinister Facebook Number 129,234,911 &#171; ¡Oye Billy!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have also befriended on the sinister Facebook: home of sheep-throwing, scrabble rip-offs, poking, stalking and the destruction of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I have also befriended on the sinister Facebook: home of sheep-throwing, scrabble rip-offs, poking, stalking and the destruction of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2180181</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, you buried the lede: "We’ve contacted Facebook Chief Privacy Officer Chris Kelly for comment."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, you buried the lede: &#8220;We’ve contacted Facebook Chief Privacy Officer Chris Kelly for comment.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2180060</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought they put thought into this stuff.  Why is it that they wait for other people to point out glaring errors before making changes?  Maybe they are not as smart as everyone makes them out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought they put thought into this stuff.  Why is it that they wait for other people to point out glaring errors before making changes?  Maybe they are not as smart as everyone makes them out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Ewan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2180033</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the news feed has been broken for the last few hours (noone is getting updates that I can tell), I wonder if Facebook are changing this as we speak?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the news feed has been broken for the last few hours (noone is getting updates that I can tell), I wonder if Facebook are changing this as we speak?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Hawks</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2179934</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2179934</guid>
		<description>What's more... what happened to the "x" and thumbs up on the main news feed? They're gone this morning.
WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s more&#8230; what happened to the &#8220;x&#8221; and thumbs up on the main news feed? They&#8217;re gone this morning.<br />
WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2179856</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Luke:  You seem to have taken the time to respond to my entire comment, I might as well do the same in return.

"I would at least expect it to tell the browser that it’s cache was out of date."

Fair enough, how about screen shots of a web page?  You are splitting hairs here and completely missing the point that a full deletion of any digital broadcast is absurd.

"you seem to be making the mistaken assumption that once a story is in your mini-feed it is *immediately* sent out to your friends’ news feeds"

Actually, Luke, I am not.  I am maken the fairly well guided assumption that once an action is executed events are triggered to create a "story" and begin the propogation of that content to both your mini-feed and your friends' news feeds.  The fact that arrival times are off set or decision points along the way could prevent that story from actually being published in some or all of your friends' feeds in no way indicates that it would be possible for you to trigger a subsequent event that could for all intents and purposes "catch-up" to the first and infuence its ability to be published.

"it would be very easy for stories to be pulled from friends’ feeds, unlike trying to pull emails back from remote inboxes (as this would take co-operation on a grand scale)"

Nah, both involve the exact same things --  the ability to publish a message that indicates a previously received message is invalid and clients that support the protocol to the extent that while both "messages" are present the first is not displayed.  This type of agreement on a protocol is what allows many web-technologies to function so it is far from the "co-operation on a grand scale" you are making it out to be.  That said, you seem to be missing the point here.  I'm not saying it is not possible to remove the remote item, I'm saying a true retraction of the item is impossible due to the possibility (likelihood?) that the remote item was already consumed before the deletion was made.  So any attempts to confirm or strengthen your belief in the contrary would simply be playing on your, in the best case, naivete.

"Finally, if when I deleted an email in my sent box I was shown a dialog box saying..."

Yes, agreed, the text is misleading.  That's not really your point though, is it?You aren't arguing for a text change, you are arguing for the introduction of a retraction feature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Luke:  You seem to have taken the time to respond to my entire comment, I might as well do the same in return.</p>
<p>&#8220;I would at least expect it to tell the browser that it’s cache was out of date.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair enough, how about screen shots of a web page?  You are splitting hairs here and completely missing the point that a full deletion of any digital broadcast is absurd.</p>
<p>&#8220;you seem to be making the mistaken assumption that once a story is in your mini-feed it is *immediately* sent out to your friends’ news feeds&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, Luke, I am not.  I am maken the fairly well guided assumption that once an action is executed events are triggered to create a &#8220;story&#8221; and begin the propogation of that content to both your mini-feed and your friends&#8217; news feeds.  The fact that arrival times are off set or decision points along the way could prevent that story from actually being published in some or all of your friends&#8217; feeds in no way indicates that it would be possible for you to trigger a subsequent event that could for all intents and purposes &#8220;catch-up&#8221; to the first and infuence its ability to be published.</p>
<p>&#8220;it would be very easy for stories to be pulled from friends’ feeds, unlike trying to pull emails back from remote inboxes (as this would take co-operation on a grand scale)&#8221;</p>
<p>Nah, both involve the exact same things &#8212;  the ability to publish a message that indicates a previously received message is invalid and clients that support the protocol to the extent that while both &#8220;messages&#8221; are present the first is not displayed.  This type of agreement on a protocol is what allows many web-technologies to function so it is far from the &#8220;co-operation on a grand scale&#8221; you are making it out to be.  That said, you seem to be missing the point here.  I&#8217;m not saying it is not possible to remove the remote item, I&#8217;m saying a true retraction of the item is impossible due to the possibility (likelihood?) that the remote item was already consumed before the deletion was made.  So any attempts to confirm or strengthen your belief in the contrary would simply be playing on your, in the best case, naivete.</p>
<p>&#8220;Finally, if when I deleted an email in my sent box I was shown a dialog box saying&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, agreed, the text is misleading.  That&#8217;s not really your point though, is it?You aren&#8217;t arguing for a text change, you are arguing for the introduction of a retraction feature.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2179773</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't believe there are idiots defending this.  Must be Facebook employee trolls.  How long must you have worked in the web business to know that the average user doesn't have a damn clue what the difference is between 'mini' feed and 'news' feed.  Most Facebook engineers don't even know the difference.  It's not like the names are remotely descriptive.  This is indefensible unless you are related to Zuckerberg or you have a chunk of Facebook stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe there are idiots defending this.  Must be Facebook employee trolls.  How long must you have worked in the web business to know that the average user doesn&#8217;t have a damn clue what the difference is between &#8216;mini&#8217; feed and &#8216;news&#8217; feed.  Most Facebook engineers don&#8217;t even know the difference.  It&#8217;s not like the names are remotely descriptive.  This is indefensible unless you are related to Zuckerberg or you have a chunk of Facebook stock.</p>
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		<title>By: cold CHICAGO &#187; Facebook News Feed Reports on You Behind Your Back</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2179564</link>
		<dc:creator>cold CHICAGO &#187; Facebook News Feed Reports on You Behind Your Back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Facebook News Feed Reports on You Behind Your Back: &#8220; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Reece</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2179533</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Reece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is terrible. Jason, thanks for reporting on this. Facebook: get this fixed!</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew C.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2179509</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont see why this is news... it was made clear in a facebook blog post some time ago that removing from mini-feed does not remove from the public timeline.  Seems like we are a day late and a dollar short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont see why this is news&#8230; it was made clear in a facebook blog post some time ago that removing from mini-feed does not remove from the public timeline.  Seems like we are a day late and a dollar short.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent Nicolai</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2179418</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent Nicolai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>added this post to http://www.tectrnd.com

cheers

vincent</description>
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<p>cheers</p>
<p>vincent</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Noel-Storr</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2179277</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Noel-Storr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Elliott - sorry, but that interpretation makes the "and prevent anyone from seeing it" part completely redundant.  If *all* it is doing is removing it from you mini-feed, then there is no need for it to say 'and' *anything*.

The 'and' implies it is doing something *in addition* to removing it from your mini-feed, and all that could possibly mean is it would stop it showing in friends' news feeds (what other way could someone see it, that is being prevented *in addition* to removing it from your mini-feed?).  Also, if the 'and' did indeed still apply to the context of the mini-feed, then there should still be a viable option if it were negated; however, there isn't, it just doesn't make sense "Hiding will remove the story from your mini-feed but won't prevent anyone from seeing it" - you can't remove it from your mini-feed without preventing users from seeing it in you mini-feed, so arguing that it is pertinent only to the context of the mini-feed just doesn't make sense.

It would almost make sense in the context you suggest if it said "Hiding will remove the story from your Mini-Feed preventing anyone from seeing it", but would still be rather misleading, and it would not *at all* be the users fault if they misinterpreted it.  It is Facebook's responsibility to make it clear, not the user's responsibility to try and guess the context it applies to.

Finally, everything aside, even if we pretend it does make sense applying just to the context of the mini-feed, and even if we pretend that it wouldn't be misleading if that were that the case, then *still* 85% of users who responded to my poll do not think that it should function that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Elliott - sorry, but that interpretation makes the &#8220;and prevent anyone from seeing it&#8221; part completely redundant.  If *all* it is doing is removing it from you mini-feed, then there is no need for it to say &#8216;and&#8217; *anything*.</p>
<p>The &#8216;and&#8217; implies it is doing something *in addition* to removing it from your mini-feed, and all that could possibly mean is it would stop it showing in friends&#8217; news feeds (what other way could someone see it, that is being prevented *in addition* to removing it from your mini-feed?).  Also, if the &#8216;and&#8217; did indeed still apply to the context of the mini-feed, then there should still be a viable option if it were negated; however, there isn&#8217;t, it just doesn&#8217;t make sense &#8220;Hiding will remove the story from your mini-feed but won&#8217;t prevent anyone from seeing it&#8221; - you can&#8217;t remove it from your mini-feed without preventing users from seeing it in you mini-feed, so arguing that it is pertinent only to the context of the mini-feed just doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
<p>It would almost make sense in the context you suggest if it said &#8220;Hiding will remove the story from your Mini-Feed preventing anyone from seeing it&#8221;, but would still be rather misleading, and it would not *at all* be the users fault if they misinterpreted it.  It is Facebook&#8217;s responsibility to make it clear, not the user&#8217;s responsibility to try and guess the context it applies to.</p>
<p>Finally, everything aside, even if we pretend it does make sense applying just to the context of the mini-feed, and even if we pretend that it wouldn&#8217;t be misleading if that were that the case, then *still* 85% of users who responded to my poll do not think that it should function that way.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2179247</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are we still having a Facebook loving at techcrunch HQ ? its getting old now with all this techcrunch/facebook crap</description>
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		<title>By: Elliott Back</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2179013</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott Back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael, the statement "Hiding will remove the story from your Mini-Feed and prevent anyone from seeing it" is pertinent only inside the context of the statement, that is, your own profile.  Confusing an item in your profile with an item in the news feed is the user's own mistake.  They even give the "mini feed" and "news feed" different names...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael, the statement &#8220;Hiding will remove the story from your Mini-Feed and prevent anyone from seeing it&#8221; is pertinent only inside the context of the statement, that is, your own profile.  Confusing an item in your profile with an item in the news feed is the user&#8217;s own mistake.  They even give the &#8220;mini feed&#8221; and &#8220;news feed&#8221; different names&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Noel-Storr</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/facebook-newsfeed-reports-on-you-behind-your-back/#comment-2178768</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Noel-Storr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@amit - I would at least expect it to tell the browser that it's cache was out of date.  Also, you seem to be making the mistaken assumption that once a story is in your mini-feed it is *immediately* sent out to your friends' news feeds.  This isn't how it works, and there is a delay in stories propagating to your friends; however, hiding a story in this time frame still does not seem to prevent propagation.  Also, unlike email, Facebook is in complete control, and has the power to pull a story from feeds, the feeds aren't set in concrete, and often change or update, it would be very easy for stories to be pulled from friends' feeds, unlike trying to pull emails back from remote inboxes (as this would take co-operation on a grand scale).  Also, with 3rd party apps you also have the option of clicking on 'I didn't do this' which reportedly *does* stop the story showing up in friends' news feeds.  Finally, if when I deleted an email in my sent box I was shown a dialog box saying "deleting this will remove it from the inboxes of everyone you sent it to" then that is *exactly* what I would expect it to do.

@Original Sin - off topic, but there was another inconsistent 'X', it's the one in your news feed, where clicking it registered you disinterest in the story, sometimes made the story smaller, but did not remove it.  It seems they've got rid of these now though anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@amit - I would at least expect it to tell the browser that it&#8217;s cache was out of date.  Also, you seem to be making the mistaken assumption that once a story is in your mini-feed it is *immediately* sent out to your friends&#8217; news feeds.  This isn&#8217;t how it works, and there is a delay in stories propagating to your friends; however, hiding a story in this time frame still does not seem to prevent propagation.  Also, unlike email, Facebook is in complete control, and has the power to pull a story from feeds, the feeds aren&#8217;t set in concrete, and often change or update, it would be very easy for stories to be pulled from friends&#8217; feeds, unlike trying to pull emails back from remote inboxes (as this would take co-operation on a grand scale).  Also, with 3rd party apps you also have the option of clicking on &#8216;I didn&#8217;t do this&#8217; which reportedly *does* stop the story showing up in friends&#8217; news feeds.  Finally, if when I deleted an email in my sent box I was shown a dialog box saying &#8220;deleting this will remove it from the inboxes of everyone you sent it to&#8221; then that is *exactly* what I would expect it to do.</p>
<p>@Original Sin - off topic, but there was another inconsistent &#8216;X&#8217;, it&#8217;s the one in your news feed, where clicking it registered you disinterest in the story, sometimes made the story smaller, but did not remove it.  It seems they&#8217;ve got rid of these now though anyway.</p>
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