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	<title>Comments on: Bridging Desktop And Web Applications, Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Fluid Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fluid links [massive octocat edition]</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2774740</link>
		<dc:creator>Fluid Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fluid links [massive octocat edition]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 21:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gertner of Mozilla returns as guest blogger for TechCrunch and further discusses Fluid, Prism, Bubbles, Air and Bridging Desktop and Web [...]</description>
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		<title>By: arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2562429</link>
		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Article.
I just bought a iphone 16GB quad-band 3.2'' touch screen Camera FM bluetooth fu on &lt;a href="http://ebay-digital.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://ebay-digital.com&lt;/a&gt; , Save 35% off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Article.<br />
I just bought a iphone 16GB quad-band 3.2&#8221; touch screen Camera FM bluetooth fu on <a href="http://ebay-digital.com" rel="nofollow">http://ebay-digital.com</a> , Save 35% off.</p>
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		<title>By: Job Search Engine - Nushio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Netvibes Founder Building iPhone-Like Operating System For Netbooks</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2561971</link>
		<dc:creator>Job Search Engine - Nushio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Netvibes Founder Building iPhone-Like Operating System For Netbooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The user interface resembles the iPhone - it includes large icons (easier for viewing on Netbooks) and very little fluff to keep the hardware humming. Jolicloud will also support touchscreens, which will work well with the icon-based navigation. Bookmarked sites are actually individual Prism applications. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The user interface resembles the iPhone - it includes large icons (easier for viewing on Netbooks) and very little fluff to keep the hardware humming. Jolicloud will also support touchscreens, which will work well with the icon-based navigation. Bookmarked sites are actually individual Prism applications. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Netvibes Founder Building iPhone-Like Operating System For Netbooks</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2561663</link>
		<dc:creator>Netvibes Founder Building iPhone-Like Operating System For Netbooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The user interface resembles the iPhone - it includes large icons (easier for viewing on Netbooks) and very little fluff to keep the hardware humming. Jolicloud will also support touchscreens, which will work well with the icon-based navigation. Bookmarked sites are actually individual Prism applications. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The user interface resembles the iPhone - it includes large icons (easier for viewing on Netbooks) and very little fluff to keep the hardware humming. Jolicloud will also support touchscreens, which will work well with the icon-based navigation. Bookmarked sites are actually individual Prism applications. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How to Use Web Based Software Offline? &#171; Large Neuron Collider</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2521433</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Use Web Based Software Offline? &#171; Large Neuron Collider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Techrunch has an insightful overview by Mathew Gertner of Mozilla. He compares different software solutions to bridge desktop and web applications: Bridging Desktop And Web Applications - A Look At Mozilla Prism Bridging Desktop And Web Applications, Part 2 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Techrunch has an insightful overview by Mathew Gertner of Mozilla. He compares different software solutions to bridge desktop and web applications: Bridging Desktop And Web Applications - A Look At Mozilla Prism Bridging Desktop And Web Applications, Part 2 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nortypig &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gertner on Single Site Browsers</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2208881</link>
		<dc:creator>nortypig &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gertner on Single Site Browsers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gertner, currently working on Mozilla&#8217;s Prism project, has an informative comparison of single site browser applications that covers Bubbles, Fluid, Prism and the higher end Adobe Air [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch en français &#187; [fr] Sobees, la passerelle de votre bureau vers l'internet. 25 invitations pour les lecteurs de TCFR</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2188719</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch en français &#187; [fr] Sobees, la passerelle de votre bureau vers l'internet. 25 invitations pour les lecteurs de TCFR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] favorites sans avoir à passer par votre navigateur. TechCrunch.com a récemment publié un long billet sur l&#8217;avenir de ce genre d&#8217;applications expliquant que le web n&#8217;est plus le [...]</description>
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		<title>By: grockwel: Research Notes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bubbles, Fluid and Prism: Site Specific Browsers</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2157136</link>
		<dc:creator>grockwel: Research Notes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bubbles, Fluid and Prism: Site Specific Browsers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bridging Desktop And Web Applications, Part 2 is a longish post about Site Specific Browser technologies like Prism, Bubbles and Fluid. I blogged Prism before - Peter O sent me this new link and one to Why We Need Web Apps on the Desktop. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dennis Reinhardt</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2156694</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Reinhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another approach not already mentioned is at http://www.htmlapp.com.  This program wraps an HTA inside an exe file.  Typical size for a simple site browser is under 20 KB.  Windows only.

Yet another approach here is download html and Javascript inside the exe and run it locally on the client computer.  This permits writing a totally client side application using html and JavaScript.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another approach not already mentioned is at <a href="http://www.htmlapp.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.htmlapp.com</a>.  This program wraps an HTA inside an exe file.  Typical size for a simple site browser is under 20 KB.  Windows only.</p>
<p>Yet another approach here is download html and Javascript inside the exe and run it locally on the client computer.  This permits writing a totally client side application using html and JavaScript.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Gertner</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2148064</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Gertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm overwhelmed by all the thoughtful comments here. Some excellent points about back/forward button, tabbed browsing, etc. I think that @Ohad is right when he points out that it is still early days for web/desktop convergence and we're still experimenting with which approaches will work best. It's great in any case that there is so much innovation taking place.

Ajax is probably a good leading indicator of where web app technology is heading. An application like Gmail has completely done away with the need for a back button, tabs and the like. As more and more developers design their apps to be SSB-friendly, the lack of the elements may cease to be a consideration. Also, there's absolutely no reason that SSBs can't have navigation buttons and tabs (like Fluid) where appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m overwhelmed by all the thoughtful comments here. Some excellent points about back/forward button, tabbed browsing, etc. I think that @Ohad is right when he points out that it is still early days for web/desktop convergence and we&#8217;re still experimenting with which approaches will work best. It&#8217;s great in any case that there is so much innovation taking place.</p>
<p>Ajax is probably a good leading indicator of where web app technology is heading. An application like Gmail has completely done away with the need for a back button, tabs and the like. As more and more developers design their apps to be SSB-friendly, the lack of the elements may cease to be a consideration. Also, there&#8217;s absolutely no reason that SSBs can&#8217;t have navigation buttons and tabs (like Fluid) where appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Church</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2143451</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 06:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do any of these options allow for full access to USB ports?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do any of these options allow for full access to USB ports?</p>
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		<title>By: smcnally</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2142056</link>
		<dc:creator>smcnally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where does Songbird fit in this model? it's not an SSB, but more a Single Focus Browser: it's your networked media player. may have brought this up in Matthew's Part 1; seems Songbird has all this potential as an SFB because the experience works for 'consumers' as well as 'producers': the former get advanced function specific to finding, listening and viewing, and the latter get more sway over that experience.

it's built on Moz, so is certainly not forcing Either / Or (AIR or Prism and Gears extensions?)

it's got sqllite persistence. it's got cool media handling. also, you can look at 'regular pages.' no taskbar / dock icons per tab. tho that's doable. 

as a technical product guy, i'm a bit mystified by what he audience is asking for here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where does Songbird fit in this model? it&#8217;s not an SSB, but more a Single Focus Browser: it&#8217;s your networked media player. may have brought this up in Matthew&#8217;s Part 1; seems Songbird has all this potential as an SFB because the experience works for &#8216;consumers&#8217; as well as &#8216;producers&#8217;: the former get advanced function specific to finding, listening and viewing, and the latter get more sway over that experience.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s built on Moz, so is certainly not forcing Either / Or (AIR or Prism and Gears extensions?)</p>
<p>it&#8217;s got sqllite persistence. it&#8217;s got cool media handling. also, you can look at &#8216;regular pages.&#8217; no taskbar / dock icons per tab. tho that&#8217;s doable. </p>
<p>as a technical product guy, i&#8217;m a bit mystified by what he audience is asking for here.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Dejay</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2141877</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Dejay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just downloaded Bubbles, and it's pretty cool -- except for the IE engine.  I've gotten used to GMail with Greasemonkey scripts and Adblock Plus, so seeing it in rendered with IE makes it look just gaudy.  I sure hope Prism utilizes Firefox Extensions, otherwise it'll be in the trash with Bubbles...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just downloaded Bubbles, and it&#8217;s pretty cool &#8212; except for the IE engine.  I&#8217;ve gotten used to GMail with Greasemonkey scripts and Adblock Plus, so seeing it in rendered with IE makes it look just gaudy.  I sure hope Prism utilizes Firefox Extensions, otherwise it&#8217;ll be in the trash with Bubbles&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Q dub</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2141727</link>
		<dc:creator>Q dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SSB is a hack, a workaround to an emerging problem.  

@Caltean:  I agree that HTA was the first to be directionally correct.  There are many approaches to solving this problem, but I suspect the winner will allow the same code-base to be deployed simultaneous across the the desktop and web and eliminate re-work.

Air is cool, and the install process is so easy that it really breaks down the "install hurdle" many other apps face, but Adobe must still let Air apps run seamless within the window to boost adoption rates and bring back the use-anywhere advantage of web-based.

I hope to god (D)HTML isn't the platform of the future.  Using HTML to draw interfaces is itself a hack/workaround--the frigg'n standard was optimized around marking up documents!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SSB is a hack, a workaround to an emerging problem.  </p>
<p>@Caltean:  I agree that HTA was the first to be directionally correct.  There are many approaches to solving this problem, but I suspect the winner will allow the same code-base to be deployed simultaneous across the the desktop and web and eliminate re-work.</p>
<p>Air is cool, and the install process is so easy that it really breaks down the &#8220;install hurdle&#8221; many other apps face, but Adobe must still let Air apps run seamless within the window to boost adoption rates and bring back the use-anywhere advantage of web-based.</p>
<p>I hope to god (D)HTML isn&#8217;t the platform of the future.  Using HTML to draw interfaces is itself a hack/workaround&#8211;the frigg&#8217;n standard was optimized around marking up documents!</p>
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		<title>By: MSSUCKS</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2141407</link>
		<dc:creator>MSSUCKS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey 15.Caltean you are right, M$ first knew about the potential of the web and they tried to kill it. 

So now M$ wants to claim paternal rights about their own abortion? 

That's what I call a lovely father...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey 15.Caltean you are right, M$ first knew about the potential of the web and they tried to kill it. </p>
<p>So now M$ wants to claim paternal rights about their own abortion? </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I call a lovely father&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Erik Paulsen</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2141366</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Erik Paulsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First SSB in 2005 ? Yeah sure, for people who smoke weed.

IBM did something like that back in 99. And what about Microsoft Active Desktop from 97 ? SSB's, as you call them, are a byproduct of component oriented software. 

Sure, no Flickr integration.. but there was no Flickr. We had modems and pets.com was pure GENIOUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First SSB in 2005 ? Yeah sure, for people who smoke weed.</p>
<p>IBM did something like that back in 99. And what about Microsoft Active Desktop from 97 ? SSB&#8217;s, as you call them, are a byproduct of component oriented software. </p>
<p>Sure, no Flickr integration.. but there was no Flickr. We had modems and pets.com was pure GENIOUS.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny at Mesa</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2140798</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny at Mesa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with SSBs is that most web applications are designed to work inside a web browser (hmm, a "duh" seems reasonable here) -- links open in other browsers, back/forward support is assumed, downloading and printing paths are kicked out to the browser.  This is where redesigned AIR apps have an edge, as their designers will take a desktop-centric development approach.

Web-to-desktop bridging makes more sense, IMHO, in self-contained widgets that require no true cross-functionality with the browser.  This in fact is the motivation behind our own work on bringing web widgets and social network applications out of the browser and into the desktop.  A 3rd part of this series touching on the work we're doing in Hypercube would be great. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with SSBs is that most web applications are designed to work inside a web browser (hmm, a &#8220;duh&#8221; seems reasonable here) &#8212; links open in other browsers, back/forward support is assumed, downloading and printing paths are kicked out to the browser.  This is where redesigned AIR apps have an edge, as their designers will take a desktop-centric development approach.</p>
<p>Web-to-desktop bridging makes more sense, IMHO, in self-contained widgets that require no true cross-functionality with the browser.  This in fact is the motivation behind our own work on bringing web widgets and social network applications out of the browser and into the desktop.  A 3rd part of this series touching on the work we&#8217;re doing in Hypercube would be great. <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rktect</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2140710</link>
		<dc:creator>rktect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think @caltean has some great points. Its important to remember that - sure, tabbed browsing is a good user experience for web pages, however, once web pages become applications there are many technical issues that come up that either limit functionality or become a security risk.

A tabbed browser shares the same memory space for all open tabs - leaving the possibility for a browser flaw to have your logged-in bank website on one tab exposed to Joe Schmoe's exploit code on another. 

Also, browser windows/tabs are quite limited functionally by cross-site-scripting and security configurations - for very good reason, but still rule out some otherwise innovative applications. SSB's have the potential to run protected by themselves and also to allow the user to configure the security settings just for that domain - or otherwise choose the level of trust they want for each SSB application. The SSB just becomes a common container for applications more seemingly integrated with the operating system.

I for one am curious to see where this leads...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think @caltean has some great points. Its important to remember that - sure, tabbed browsing is a good user experience for web pages, however, once web pages become applications there are many technical issues that come up that either limit functionality or become a security risk.</p>
<p>A tabbed browser shares the same memory space for all open tabs - leaving the possibility for a browser flaw to have your logged-in bank website on one tab exposed to Joe Schmoe&#8217;s exploit code on another. </p>
<p>Also, browser windows/tabs are quite limited functionally by cross-site-scripting and security configurations - for very good reason, but still rule out some otherwise innovative applications. SSB&#8217;s have the potential to run protected by themselves and also to allow the user to configure the security settings just for that domain - or otherwise choose the level of trust they want for each SSB application. The SSB just becomes a common container for applications more seemingly integrated with the operating system.</p>
<p>I for one am curious to see where this leads&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: francis dupuis</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2140683</link>
		<dc:creator>francis dupuis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the reason (for my new development projects) to use AIR is that we have clients who don't want a 'web browser' on the desktop - they want their staff working in the application. I would say for a lot of commercial (govt, libraries, non profits, etc...) uses, Prism would need to have features that would let us lock it down.

Right now I'm using Prism with my legacy web app that includes Flex/Java/HTML components - it makes a compelling combination IF it can be secured and locked from users messing it up and tying themselves in knots.

Many of us have deep/rich existing web apps that we want to extend with technologies like flex and web services - and that seems well suited to a technology like Prism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the reason (for my new development projects) to use AIR is that we have clients who don&#8217;t want a &#8216;web browser&#8217; on the desktop - they want their staff working in the application. I would say for a lot of commercial (govt, libraries, non profits, etc&#8230;) uses, Prism would need to have features that would let us lock it down.</p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m using Prism with my legacy web app that includes Flex/Java/HTML components - it makes a compelling combination IF it can be secured and locked from users messing it up and tying themselves in knots.</p>
<p>Many of us have deep/rich existing web apps that we want to extend with technologies like flex and web services - and that seems well suited to a technology like Prism.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad Eder Pressman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2140679</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad Eder Pressman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great writeup @Matthew, and great conversations that followed.

Opening new links is a big issue that I guess we're all still tinkering with. New browser windows, new Bubbles/Prisms/Fluids and new Tabs within the current SSBs are all options. Its true that none of these feel like a 'right' solution, so more investigation for all of us.

We see SSB API unison as an important step in the path for a true platform and something that will give consumers happiness (@mark, @todd). I'm pretty sure we'll soon get around to discuss this. We at Bubbles are making semantic steps towards this in renaming our API namespace to 'SSB' rather than prefixing methods with 'BB_'.

Playing nicely with Gears is also critical in that it will allow us all to wrap up entire Applications. Imagine what it would feel like to use a version of gmail that supports gears, within an easily accessible and supercharged SSB framework, on an airplane for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great writeup @Matthew, and great conversations that followed.</p>
<p>Opening new links is a big issue that I guess we&#8217;re all still tinkering with. New browser windows, new Bubbles/Prisms/Fluids and new Tabs within the current SSBs are all options. Its true that none of these feel like a &#8216;right&#8217; solution, so more investigation for all of us.</p>
<p>We see SSB API unison as an important step in the path for a true platform and something that will give consumers happiness (@mark, @todd). I&#8217;m pretty sure we&#8217;ll soon get around to discuss this. We at Bubbles are making semantic steps towards this in renaming our API namespace to &#8216;SSB&#8217; rather than prefixing methods with &#8216;BB_&#8217;.</p>
<p>Playing nicely with Gears is also critical in that it will allow us all to wrap up entire Applications. Imagine what it would feel like to use a version of gmail that supports gears, within an easily accessible and supercharged SSB framework, on an airplane for example.</p>
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		<title>By: John Stokes</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2140552</link>
		<dc:creator>John Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great I was impressed when I got the news on http://www.malltropolitan.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great I was impressed when I got the news on <a href="http://www.malltropolitan.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.malltropolitan.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Gertner</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2140530</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Gertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nick, I actually bet Mike Shaver that this would happen before the end of the year (http://browsing.justdiscourse.com/2008/01/29/the-runtime-wars-aka-xulrunners-exaggerated-demise/). I did end up hedging my bet, however, when someone pointed out to me that it's pretty easy to install AIR already if you have Flash installed in your browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nick, I actually bet Mike Shaver that this would happen before the end of the year (http://browsing.justdiscourse.com/2008/01/29/the-runtime-wars-aka-xulrunners-exaggerated-demise/). I did end up hedging my bet, however, when someone pointed out to me that it&#8217;s pretty easy to install AIR already if you have Flash installed in your browser.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2140480</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adobe should bundle AIR in to the Flash download</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adobe should bundle AIR in to the Flash download</p>
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		<title>By: vdz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2140409</link>
		<dc:creator>vdz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>using Bubbles since 2006, it's simple &amp; simply great!

my gmail is in a bubble and it's an awesome experience, can't imagine it working otherwise.

Would love to see a live community of script writers to creame more cool "smart bubbles" or whatever they are called.

nice read</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>using Bubbles since 2006, it&#8217;s simple &amp; simply great!</p>
<p>my gmail is in a bubble and it&#8217;s an awesome experience, can&#8217;t imagine it working otherwise.</p>
<p>Would love to see a live community of script writers to creame more cool &#8220;smart bubbles&#8221; or whatever they are called.</p>
<p>nice read</p>
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		<title>By: AndyEd</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/07/bridging-desktop-and-web-applications-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2140325</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyEd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting potential for PRISM in particular is sandboxing extensions which break the cross site scripting barrier... right now, you have to fully trust the extension to behave well no-matter where you are.  With a site specific browser, you could limit the add-on's activity to a site.

So, I could log all of my web visits on the corporate wiki to a internal server for better team awareness, while not having to manage the overhead of turning on and off sharing.  

Not sure it's the right approach, but it is intriguing. Alas, prism has no support for addons right now AFAIK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting potential for PRISM in particular is sandboxing extensions which break the cross site scripting barrier&#8230; right now, you have to fully trust the extension to behave well no-matter where you are.  With a site specific browser, you could limit the add-on&#8217;s activity to a site.</p>
<p>So, I could log all of my web visits on the corporate wiki to a internal server for better team awareness, while not having to manage the overhead of turning on and off sharing.  </p>
<p>Not sure it&#8217;s the right approach, but it is intriguing. Alas, prism has no support for addons right now AFAIK.</p>
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