Those who think moderates are not speaking out are blind and deaf, and are only looking to champion their own cause. Every type of Muslim is condeming this sort of action, but the few who don’t get all the attention.

Mohemmed spent 10 years in Mecca during the “peaceful” phase of Islamic development. During that time I think he managed to recruit only a handful of converts. As time went by he stirred up such bad feelings and negativity in Mecca (Pagan Mecca was a very religious tolerant place) that they expelled him finally. That should tell you something.. that a tolerant religious hub would expell him.

This is that point where Islam changed. Up until this point Mohemmed tried to pass off his religion as carrying on the legacy of Judiasm/Christianity, so you’ll see that the “peaceful” suras of the Koran came from Mohemmeds time in Mecca.

After the expulsion the retold Bible stories end.. the appeal for tolerance and coexistant end. In the desert Mohemmed and his few followers made an oath of allegence and Mohemmed commanded that the Muslims will now begin to fight for Allah and bring war upon those who reject his message.

This event is known as the Hijra

Part of the Sunnah in Islam is a sacrilized biography of Mohemmed. This bio, the Sira (the author is Ishaq), give context to the Koran and Hadith. Here is a description of this change in Islam:

Sira, p208: When God gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second {oath of allegiance at} Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of fealty. Now they {Muhammad’s followers} bound themselves to war against all and sundry for God and his Apostle, while he promised them for faithful service thus the reward of paradise.

This commitment to violence is so intergral to islam that the Hijra is Islam’s Year 1. This why their calender is called AH. After Hijra.

The Year of the Islamic Calender is the number of years that Islam has been at war against the world.

Muslims must know this.. it’s silly to think they don’t know this.

What sort of mentality do you folks think this creates in their minds.. everytime they see the date they see just how long their war against the world has been and is a constant reminder of the obligation to engage in this war.

Donya’s contemptious attitude toward anyone who dares criticize this Religion of war is evidence of this irrationality.

and secondly, the movie is a silly documentry against Muslim and the holy book.

the violence is not the core of Islam, you stupit creature, it is human natur, it is individuals that we should blame for it.

have a look and read your message again, you should be ashamed of what you have wrote about Islam. all i can say is sham on you, you F****ken b***terd.

Because Moslems begin with the premise that every word of the Koran calling them to murder infidels was dictated by Allah, they believe that the Koran is perfect and cannot be changed. “Fitna” without comment, simply catches Moslems on film crying for the blood of infidels, cutting off infidel heads and teaching their children to hate infidels. We see the leaders of Iran calmly sitting while goon squads with hoods to cover their faces make the “sieg heil” salute. Islam is violent and encourages violence.

If the Koran were published today, it would be called hate literature.

Read the Koran for yourself and you will see. That is the point of the movie.

Moslems attacking the film are saying in effect, “Don’t say Islam is violent or I’ll kill you.”

The violence is the core of Islam.

any religion can be evil if it was made to movie by Geert Wilders

btw : some of islamic praying are taught by Jesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxbYBIlT6VE

Another very good commentary on Militant Islam.

Anyone who tries to take our freedoms away will pay!

As far as the other points are concerned you can find similar nut jobs in the christian community who hold similar or more extremist views of the world.

If you are going to use blanket judgements about a community then take about 1.2 billion muslims, 2 billion christians & there u have it - Half the worlds population are crazed fanatics according to your logic.

People killing innocents civilians deserve to be condemned whatever their religion & whatever the declared purpose. A group of fanatics killing people for their believes & an army killing people in the name of ‘freedom’ are equally condemnable.

But again we must not lose perspective here. America is the one who has attacked & occupied Iraq & they have every right to resist the occupation through legitamate means which includes fighting the occupying forces.
If suppose Iraq had attacked & occupied America by claiming that it had weapons of mass destruction (which it has in abundance & ironically Iraq does not & did not have), would americans sit quietly and do nothing about it? And would you call anyone fighting Iraqis in that situation terrorists?

The fact is that all wars are for control of resources & one would be really stupid to believe that the Iraq War (or the greater conflict in middle east) is about anything other than Oil. Religion is just one of the tool used by the holders of power to make people fight for their purposes. If they can not use religion they use nationalism.

Here’s a cool link on the islamic debate:

http://smouch.net/lol/

To pass blanketh judgment on Islam and all Muslims is pretty silly, 1 out of every 5 people on this planet is a Muslim you know. Wouldn’t it make more sense to understand the religion, its sources, and history more in depth.

Muslims are not going anywhere, might as well develop a better understanding of them.

A good resource is 1-877-WHY-ISLAM or http://www.whyislam.org

Harry “what is this thing you call religion” Wang

“In today’s Iraq, women are being killed by militia groups for not conforming to strict Islamist ways.
Basra police chief Gen. Jalil Hannoon told reporters and Arab TV channels in December that at least 40 women had been killed during the previous five months in that city alone.
“We are sure there are many more victims whose families did not report their killing for fear of scandal,” Gen. Hannoon said.
The militias dominated by the Shi’ite Badr Organization and the Mahdi Army are leading imposition of strict Islamist rules.“

We must pray that nobody makes any film about that, some Muslims might be offended.

There is only mister Wilders which is champion of human stupidity, to view the internet site above and you will also see that the tunisian justice in Tunisia has the monopoly of errors with the verdict ot the trial of miss Sameh Harakati.

http://tunisie-harakati.mylivepage.com

Geert Wilders is Like Brigitte Gabriel. They just want everyone to be safe. Me too.

“If someone converts to Christianity, he deserves the death penalty”
“Islam is more superior than the Jews, than the Christians, than the Buddhists, than the Hindus”
“We ahve ruled the world before and by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world again. The day will come when we will rule America, Britain”
“You will take over the USA. You will take over UK. You will take over Europe”]
“Allah is happy when non-Muslims get killed”
“Annihilate the infidels and the polytheists”
“Allah, count them and kill them to the last one, and don’t even leave one”
“A Jew is hiding behind me, come and cut off his head. And we shall cut off his head”
“Throats must be slit and skulls must be shattered”

What say you attackers of Fitna?

1. Those who do not concern themselves with the issue of the Caliphate.
2. Those who want a new Caliphate but do not condone violent means of getting there.
3. Those who want a new Caliphate at all costs.

#1 means your cool, just remember to peacefully coexist and I will not bother you either. #2 means I cannot trust you and so I will warn others about you because of the doctrines of Taqiyya and Kitman in your religion (see the various Hadiths). #3 is a declaration of war and we should fight Islam to the death or until this “religion of war” is put to rest.

As for you non-Muslims writing here…many of you do not seem to have the background to really be in this discussion. I do agree though that the hypocrisy of threatening violence over this film is ignorance in living color.

From the 16th century onwards it were Europeans powers that attacked & occupied many countries in Asia, Africa, & Americas including Spain, Britain, Portugal etc.. Can you name any Muslim country that did what these countries did. And you yet ycontinue blabbing that it is Muslims who want to take over the world.

Muslims attacked and occupied much of the world during the 7th to 14th centuries - they were the imperialist power at that time. From the 16th century Europeans & from the 19th America has taken over that role - Hardly anything to do with religion & everything to do with controlling the worlds resources.