Google is currently hosting controversial film about Islam Fitma.
The film has made tech headlines after Network Solutions suspended the site the film was to debut on, then Live Leak was forced to pull it following serious threats against the company from Muslims unhappy with the film. Live Leak’s explanation video above.
The film, ripped from Live Leak, is now available on Google Video here in full, and can also be found on YouTube. Warning on the film: there are graphic scenes in it.
What Google does now will be an interesting test for a company that claims “do no evil” as its company mantra. The video is hosted in the US, and we presume with part or full support of the creators of the film negating any copyright considerations, so ultimately it will be up to Google to decide between free speech and global jihad.
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bigger news is that google video still exists…I didn’t know it was even around anymore
well if its about free speech ..am as muslim supporting google ..
but can google keep the google earth shoot of isreal nuclear town? ..or could google allow others to upload the video clip, where the isreal kids learn how to hate others kids (school book), or the video clip when kids sign on rockects which they used to kill lebanese kids in 2006 war..
plus watching the video well help us knowing what u to work on to help u understand our religion
they are as locusts devouring the lands i have had a dream the muslims shall burn in the fires of hell everlasting and those that defend them will suffer with them in my dream goa will be destroyed by mile high waves and sent to the bottom of the sea that will be the beginning of the of the world and god will from this world begin a new world over again gather drums of water enough to last you five years cover and bury it deep in a concrete base i will let you know more soon ignore if you dare these warning think of your children for you will not see the new world
Are you against Free Speech ? If not what is the problem with this video being hosted in google.
With out freedom of speech, I am sure a company like google would not exist in the first place, and I am sure the captains at google realize that and not pander to the ‘politically correct’ crowd. This video shows compiled footage of what had already happened, the dutch did not invent anything new. Stop pandering to the ‘politically correct’ crowd.
i find you should be able to post what you want.
Thank you Google. You earn my respect!
All the Muslims making death threats are just supporting the case of the film makers suggesting that the Koran encourages violence. I dont know why they dont realize this.
Why does google still have google video when it owns youtube?
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Jay
I’m simply reporting the predicament Google is now in. For the record I’m 100% for free speech. The question is how much will Google be once what has happened with LiveLeak comes to Mountain View and Google’s various worldwide offices.
MichaelB
Google Video still has long play hosting which YouTube doesn’t, aside from that I’m not sure.
I am not sure if you have seen the movie!! But it is insanely disrespectful to Islam and full of fallacies. Let us love each other not stereotype each other.
The movie links Islam to violence in a very stupid and direct way. What people would think if someone decides to link the religion of Jesus to violence? Be it accepted or no this is not the way to go! I know so many Muslims and they are my best friends. They are way more peaceful than any other friends.
Israel and the US have killed hundreds of times more than muslims did while defending their land and their lives. I am not trying to defend anyone but we should know that we the Americans have invaded their land and killed their children and now left them with a bloody civil war that wasn’t there before we invade.
I am with the free speech but we should always condemn the dutch producer of the movie like the the dutch government did.
Peace
Oh please.. a Muslim backlash?? haha they probably use Google search engine to find the video in the first place!
any group or people who cannot take criticism don’t deserve my time or attention. if they don’t have the capacity to take criticism you can forget about any hope
bonus points for Google!
Dear Sabina.
Hizbollah in Lebanon attacked Israel and send thousand of rockets on Israel civilian that killed kids including arabic kids in Nazareth this summer of war. Israeli kids learn in school tolerance to other religions and wish for peaceful coexistence. What exactly Hamas teach palestinians kids in Gaza. How to become suicide killers?Their hatred to jews are taught to them from early childhood the same as a little girl in the movie.
The images from the movie Fitna can be found on the web sites of Islamic extremist. Your hatred of other people will bring to the disasterous war and no the other way around.
And bill gates hates muslims too because he shook hands with salman rushdie.
Fatwah for bill?
How low can M$ go to discredit the competition?
I call bullshit and a new low in journalism from techcrunch.
Wait, I forgot it is not journalism, it is PayPerPost!
I am going to respectfully disagree with most of you here.
I am all for freedom of speech and expression. I understand the importance of upholding that right and I understand that if you stop a video that offends a person(s) then you would probably have little videos out there on youtube or google video or whatever.
However, this video is purely an act of provocation to Muslims. And it is not like insulting a whole group for their appearance or actions or even personalities etc.; it is in fact, insulting what they hold the dearest and most precious in their life, it is like insulting their very being and soul. So do not expect Muslims (me being one of them) to just see this video, shrug their shoulders like they are in “the Brady Bunch” or “Happy Days” and say “Oh well.” This is insulting and we’ll be vocal about it. Of course I am in no way approving of any act of violence in any form or shape and I am ashamed of anyone who uses this religion as an excuse for violence as a response to such weak acts of provocation like this video…
Legally the entrenched right of Freedom of speech and expression (Human Rights Act 1998 s.12, 13 here in the UK) can be overruled if it is deemed that the information being published will be a threat to public safety e.g. publishing sensitive information from an ex spy (say) which could hurt the government and ultimately the people. Legally this video was refused publication because it was a threat to public safety … why? because it is completely an act of provocation and frankly a very low blow built upon ridiculous unsubstantiated allegations with no message other than Islam = Terrorists and also completely insulting us by for example, the scene where u hear pages being torn and a message coming on the screen saying “that was not the Quran being torn”…
I think their should also be another exception to the noble-natured right of freedom of speech and expression but not a legal exception but an ethical moral one… some of you might of heard of it. It is called common decency. But law is law … not morals… the latter is up to the individual to uphold there are no real policing to that.
So now, this video having been denied entrance through the official channels, is using the internet - where there are basically no real laws or at least its a grey area nowadays to publish it in. Fine. But what about your morals? Don’t you have any common decency? (I am speaking to the dutch makers and MP who helped put this video online after being rejected from publishing it legally).
I hope this at least makes u get a better idea of why Muslims are vocal about such things. Don’t let the makers of this video fool you. This is not their way of trying to reinforce the noble-natured right of Freedom of Speech as much as it is a pure act of provocation to Muslims generally.
Sorry for the long comment.
All I can say is that I’m glad I don’t live in the UK, where, according to mmk080, free speech is as important as British dental care.
all religion is twisted and sick, violent and hopeless, ignorant and easy.
and each one preaches that it is the really hard to be filled with such zeal but heaven is your reward, when the truth is they are all just easy, prefabricated lives that require zero accountability, zero self awareness, and (most depressingly) zero thought.
it;s not about christianiy vs. islam vs. judiasm etc… it’s about rational, modern thought and social progressions (including but not limited to freedom of speech) versus the unpoetic ramblings of pre-scientific fear mongers and opportunists…
it’s high time the atheists started to get a little more vocal (and whatever)… knock ALL religious fucktards off their idiotic pedestals… western, eastern, and middle… all a sack of freak, tie ‘em all up and forget where we left ‘em. let science and logic finally start to make some real progress in this shit hole.
Thanks, Jeff S. I think you illustrated the point of unsubstantiated ridiculous accusations pretty accurately.
Let’s assume that the film is a provocation to Muslims .. it actually is .. but the footage compiled on the film proves that there is a concerted effort by some parts of the Muslim world to wage war against anybody not Muslim. Like it or not, there is a definite storm brewing. We all started it and nobody is finishing it and it escalates daily.
Here is a blog post I wrote … it does not provide the solution, but … it may explain how it stared.
http://www.fabianschonholz.com/2008/03/16/god/
You’d think that after who knows how many corrections, Duncan, you’d know Google’s actual slogan. It loosely translates to “don’t abuse your power.” Your version is a straw-man not worthy of debate.
@#14.. no it doesn’t… you just admitted how hearing a piece of fucking paper get torn got you all messed up and severely damaged your soul… whatever the fuck… that is exactly what i was talking about before. do you realize how childish it sounds to say someone shouldn’t have the right to tear a piece of paper out of a book? it’s ink and paper and some cardboard… it’s a commercial and you buy into it hook line and sinker… the price? your life. your free will. i wont say your soul… because i hate to break it to you, but that’s not part of the human biological composition… yet it’s the only thing you seem to care about saving… well.. enjoy your one life. i could be wrong. if so, i guess i’ll be in hell. lol.
More videos like this should be made and shown. We are watching the slow death of Europe.
I found this article interesting. It’s called “Islam and Western Democracies” and it’s a short analysis of the Koran from a Christian perspective.
http://www.sydney.catholic.org....._681.shtml
Two points stand out: 1) “On the pessimistic side of the equation, concern begins with the Koran itself. In my own reading of the Koran, I began to note down invocations to violence. There are so many of them, however, that I abandoned this exercise after 50 or 60 or 70 pages. I will return to the problems of Koranic interpretation later in this paper, but in coming to an appreciation of the true meaning of jihad, for example, it is important to bear in mind what the scholars tell us about the difference between the suras (or chapters) of the Koran written during Muhammad’s thirteen years in Mecca, and those that were written after he had based himself at Medina. Irenic interpretations of the Koran typically draw heavily on the suras written in Mecca, when Muhammad was without military power and still hoped to win people, including Christians and Jews, to his revelation through preaching and religious activity. After emigrating to Medina, Muhammad formed an alliance with two Yemeni tribes and the spread of Islam through conquest and coercion began. One calculation is that Muhammad engaged in 78 battles, only one of which, the Battle of the Ditch, was defensive. The suras from the Medina period reflect this decisive change and are often held to abrogate suras from the Meccan period.”
2) “The predominant grammatical form in which jihad is used in the Koran carries the sense of fighting or waging war. A different form of the verb in Arabic means ’striving’ or ’struggling’, and English translations sometimes use this form as a way of euphemistically rendering the Koran’s incitements to war against unbelievers. But in any case, the so-called ‘verses of the sword’ (sura 9:5 and 9:36), coming as they do in what scholars generally believe to be one of the last suras revealed to Muhammad, are taken to abrogate a large number of earlier verses on the subject (over 140, according to one radical website). The suggestion that jihad is primarily a matter of spiritual striving is also contemptuously rejected by some Islamic writers on the subject. One writer warns that ‘the temptation to reinterpret both text and history to suit ‘politically correct’ requirements is the first trap to be avoided’, before going on to complain that ‘there are some Muslims today, for instance, who will convert jihad into a holy bath rather than a holy war, as if it is nothing more than an injunction to cleanse yourself from within’.”
There is an incongruence between what the Modern Liberals in the West claim are reasons for Militant Islam’s constant attacks and in what Militant Islam itself says are its reasons.
The Modern Liberals make it politically correct, but the Militant islamists seem to speak very consistently about destroying enemies - anyone who is not Muslim. One of their sayings is “First the Saturday people and then the Sunday people.” I know the Liberal media hasn’t noticed, but Militant Islamists don’t talk about peace and not many moderate Islamists condemn the attacks. Heck, you can’t print cartoons with fearing for your head being cut off by these people.
The West needs to wakeup. As a start, watch Geert’s movie.
The world deserves to learn different points of view.
If Mulsims believe that Christian religion is violent - I will be more than happy to see videos of Christian clericals calling for beheading all non-Christians because I think I have the right to see all this. For now though, I watch what I can find and that is all about the radicalism of Islam, even if I understand that not all Muslims are as violent as Koran wants them to be. Are they considered “infidels” in this case?
There are many interesting questions…
Please find below the mail I sent just to inquiries@un.org as to call Ban Ki-moon to step back from the position of the UN SG. Please join me to send related mails to him as to defend our right on freedom of speech and expression.
Thanks,
Haiduk (Germany)
Regarding: STRONG CONDEMNATION OF ANTI-ISLAMIC FILM
Dear Ban Ki-moon,
under
http://www.un.org/News/Press/d.....83.doc.htm
I read you “condemn strongly” the airing of Geert Wilders movie “fitna”. Thouh you also “appeal for calm to those understandably offended by it”, but you must concede that this is a very halfhearted statement. Do you know that such an unbalanced statement will be perceived such that you make Geert Wilders responsible for any act of violence that may follow after the airing of this movie even(!) before such acts happen?
So instead of defending the freedom of speech and expression that was warranted “without frontiers” by Article 19 of the human rights declaraion in December 1948 you become the leader of false reversion of the guilt-principles and thus give anyone a free charter for acts of violence such as flag buring and even murdering!
I hope you know how far-reaching the implications are: Human rights article 29/1 says crystal clearly one has duties only to a “community” that grants the “free and full development” of ones personality and it was the co-author(!) of the human rights declaration Charles Malik who insisted in his “Talk on Human Rights”
http://www.udhr.org/history/talkon.htm
on this very crucial characteristics of human rights article 29/1 as a firewall against any future “excesses precisely of statism and socialism”!
For this reason I see it as my duty to tell you that
(a) the “free and full development” of ones personality undoubtedly covers also the freedom of speech and expression
(b) the term “community” though primarily refers to the state where one lifes, but also the United Nations is a community in the terms of this article.
this implies, that if you dont revoke or correct your above statements any duty anyone might feel adverse to the United Nations will become invalid.
For that reason I plea you to withdrawal as Secretery-General as to prevent further damage to the reputation and authority of the United Nations.
Best Regards,
….
Matt # 20, first of all, thanks for replying with something I don’t have to stoop to the intellectual level of a 12 yr old to answer.
I actually can’t go to sleep so I will answer you hoping that at least you will see where I am coming from (u don’t have to agree with me). The film from start to finish is an attack on islam… from the context and the beginning of the aforementioned scene, they showed the Holy Qur’an with someone in the middle of turning pages… then the scene slowly fades off into a black screen with the sound still continuing and u hear the sound of pages turning suddenly you hear the sound of the pages being torn. Then the message comes up saying something like “this is not the Quran being torn…” I used that scene as an example of an act of provocation, that’s all. And i think its pretty obvious that it was provocative.
Anyway it is just a view from a 22 yr old guy so take it as it is… a view from a 22 yr old guy.
Wow - that was a pretty incendiary post Duncan.
Just because it is anti-Muslim everyone must jump on the bandwagon and hate on it?
I’ve seen the video - and other than (the typical) cherry-picking quotes without giving context, it is very overblown. A lot of hype for nothing.
Then again, when you keep selling that all muslims ‘must backlash’ against this movie, it sort of sets the mindset.
@mmk080
You’re a fascist piece of shit. If you lived in my country, which actually has a spine unlike Briton, I’d kick your ass.
If something offends you, IGNORE IT. How retarded are you that you have to “get vocal” when someone expresses their opinion about your bullshit dogma? What, you can’t live with someone else’s differing opinion? See that’s what makes your bullshit religion so dangerous, you can’t live with other people who think differently than you. Intolerant fascist SCUM!
Oh yeah, I just went to your shitty blog and noticed the first post. “I think love is highly over-rated.” Yeah, that really sums up you and “religion” of fascism.
Oh, and by the way, Muhammed was a worthless pedo piece of trash. How does that grab you, vermin?
mmk080 - Speech, writings, film, video, drawings, painting, or any form of art; who are you to say that I don’t have the right to be offensive, informative, educational, funny, repulsive, obnoxious, ignorant, ridiculous etc., even with regard to Islam? If you don’t like the video, don’t watch it. Believe what you want and I will believe what I want. I am not the one condoning the killing, nor am I mutilating and oppressing women, or homosexuals, or any other non believers…
Nice zinger, Jeff S.
Too bad mmk080 is too serious to enjoy the humor in it. A little laughter goes a long way.
” Islam is a religion of peace - The nation of Islam is insulted by this video linking us to violence. Take it down or we will kill you.”
Aside from all the aboves comments. Hey, Duncan, do you even know the term, “user generated contents”? Google Video doesn’t look after all the videos being uploaded to their site.
And by the way, if Google hosting Fitna means that they are anti-muslim, then hosting Osama’s anti-US video is, what, unlawful?
Well, it looks like LiveLeak capitulated and took it down. I guess it’s on Google’s YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCrCsTMokTU
I see some Dutch Leftists are setting up appeasement videos. http://www.mediamatic.net/article-33851-en.html
Then I see that the Dutch government and the EU jumped in to make sure they oppose free speech.
All of this is so interesting as the hierarchy of Modern Liberals (leftists) is being exposed. Militant Islamists hate gays - the leftists are silent. Militant Islamists treat women like dogs - the leftists are silent. Militant Islamists are against free speech - the leftists are silent. Militant Islamists hate lefists - the leftists are silent.
These Modern Liberals will go down with the ship. (Watch Evan Sayet’s How Modern Liberals Think” to get an idea of this strange mindset.)
I Think you guys should read this article :
‘only love can defeat terrorism’ http://www.harunyahya.com/defeat01.php
AhmedF 24
WTF? LiveLeak pulled the vid because of serious threats, which the video above (if it loads, seems to be having issues) shows (it’s LiveLeaks official statement). I’m not saying anyone “must” backlash, but it’s pretty clear the those threatening LiveLeak for hosting it will probably now target Google; nothing racist or inflammatory about that, simply a fair conclusion based on the facts at hand.
Why is it that anything negative said about Islam or Muslim’s always results in some kind of a call for Jihad?
If Islam is really a religion of “Peace”, it sure does not show it very well.
Kudos to Goggle for not taking the Politically Correct road into fear.
this video is totally pathetic in the sense that its sole purpose is provocation. Just because a few muslims call for death to jews doesn’t mean every muslim behave like that.
someone needs to make a video of skin heads walking around with crosses and yelling “white power” and take it totally out of context and turn it into a video against christianity.
Extreme right wing in Euorpe is taking advantage of growing islamophobia in U.S. and Euorpe because of Iraq and Israeli/Palestinian conflict. It is sad to see mainstream start defending it using free speech as straw men. Believe me he will be doing the same things to Jews if condition are right and politically correct.
Fuck all religions, period.
“Fuck the god who makes pray with a fist of bullets”
Minuscapita
Calling this video a threat to public safety just prooves it’s point. How sick is it that we have to take a video down that accuses people of violence because we fear the violent reactions of just these people.
“Fuck the god who makes *you* pray with a fist of bullets”
Minuscapita
Duncan - how many people threatened? How exactly do you know who threatened?
Does ‘God Hates Fags’ mean all Christians are evil? Of course not - that would be a dumb logical leap. In that same way, do threats suddenly mean Muslims are backlashing against LiveLeak?
If someone is willing to kill over this video then I for one support Google if they take it down.
It’s fine to support free speech but it’s not fine if you expect someone else to die for it. You want to protest, go publish it yourself. Putting others in the line of fire is not cool.
By hosting this video google is going to hurt the feelings of millions. I think “do no evil” just means “free speech” to google because humiliating and insulting beliefs of millions is “evil”
Why does only the Muslims have problems with videos and not Christians, Buddhists, Hindus do not have issues when they are challenged by critics.
Muslims are whiny bitches.
Stupid White Man. You will perish for your stupid tolerance.
America , Europe and all western civilization will one day be found only in Islamic libraries.
Go Obama!
We think we can make friends with them. Stupid white man.
By hosting this video google is going to hurt the feelings of millions. I think “do no evil” just means “free speech” to google because humiliating and insulting beliefs of millions is “evil”
You call this ‘Belief’ you punk. Go die you virus!
#10 & #14- respectfully, you two don’t get it. Provocation of Muslims? Let’s say these barbaric terror acts and threats were doctrine of the dissodent Catholics. Good Catholics everywhere would condemn them outright.
Where are the moderates of Islam?
Are they scared to speak? If they are it’s a problem, if they aren’t it’s an equally big problem.
Europe is being converted, almost there, they just don’t know it. The few that do, the few who make these films do so at the risk of their own lives.
How is this? The Islamists have turned the tables under the cloak of religion.
As for Google, bravo for free speech. Just be consistant. Your China site complies with censorship concerning Tibet and that’s a problem.
One thing we learn from all this is God Bless America and our brave soldiers and Marines who are putting it on the line in the Middle East so these fools will think twice before bringing it here wholesale.
Thanks for posting this Techcrunch!
I’m for freedom of speech, only if it’s on ALL topics and religions. The problem today is there is an unlimited freedom of speech regarding Islam and muslims. Cultural leaders, medias and politics are criticizing this religion and its people 24/7 and they sometimes cross the “boundaries” like with this movie.
However, when it comes to sionists, jews or even Israeli policy, nobody will talk anymore. It’s forbidden and speech becomes very limited, not to say non-existent. The same people that defend free speech on Islam, become mute when it comes to sionism and Israel.
They actually censor and ban “leaders” that are hostile to Israeli policy for example. Many ruined their career in Show Business because of their anti-sionist opinion. That’s the undeniable reality in 90% of western countries.
So free speech yes, but on everything.
F*ck all religions!
It’s a matter of 2-10 years until something extraordinary will happen and save the world from total annihilation.
But you know, chance to fix it is always there but humanity prefers something more interesting - killing each other.
Ya, freedom will piss you off. How come I have to live next to “every kind of asshole” and not be allowed to kill them, but they can kill whoever they want.
?
dang!