March 26, 2008

Mozilla Discusses Firefox 3 and Microsoft’s Public Embrace of Open Standards

Mark Hendrickson

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Mozilla invited a group of bloggers to its headquarters in Mountain View today for an open discussion centered around the upcoming release of Firefox 3 (currently in public beta).

CEO John Lilly started things off by pointing out that this coming Monday is the Mozilla Organization’s ten year anniversary. He described the organization as rather humble and discombobulated when it was spun off from AOL into an independent entity in 2003. As recently as 2005, when the Mozilla Corporation was created to lead development on Firefox and Thunderbird, the organization still struggled to keep its servers from crashing during “hours of terror” when browsers deployed across the world tried to update themselves at the same time (this problem has since been remedied).

These days about 150 international employees work for Mozilla, which has been divided into six organizations, including ones for Europe, Denmark, China, and Japan. The ratio between work performed by employees vs. the developer community at large stands at about 60/40. Mozilla’s fastest growing markets include China and Russia, with China seeing six-fold growth since a year ago. Mozilla has netted about 160M users globally.

Lilly and several other Mozilla employees including Mike Schroepfer, the VP of Engineering, spent a considerable amount of time discussing Firefox 3, which has been in development for three years. Firefox Beta 4 is the version currently made available to the public. Beta 5, which will be released next week, will be the last beta before a release candidate in late April or May. The final version of Firefox 3 has been slated for release in the first half of this year - in June or sooner.

Firefox 3 is meant to carry forward the motto of keeping the internet “open and participatory”. It will support 50 languages, unlike IE7, which was released with support for only one. About 50% of the extensions developed for Firefox currently work with FF3, with further compatibility expected to accelerate in May. There are about 20,000 community members testing the latest build of FF3 and submitting an average of 150 bug reports on a daily basis. Testers have been particularly vocal about moving the “home” button back to the main button area (and Mozilla has acquiesced).

The company stressed a few of FF3’s primary features. Native skinning has been implemented so that the browser looks at home in various operating systems (Mac, Windows, and Linux). The so-called “awesome bar”, an advanced version of the address bar, not only auto-completes but searches your browsing history for matches as well. Much of Firefox’s core has been rebuilt, including the way it handles history. Now more than 6 months can be searched instantaneously whereas before, the default was set at 2 weeks. And password management is more discreet; you won’t have to decide on saving a password until after you’ve signed into a site.

FF3 also includes extended security measures such as new anti-malware techniques that will prevent users from visiting sites that might infect their computers with malicious programs. The detection system relies on a blacklist of software that gets downloaded to the client periodically. There’s also more advanced SSL certificate handling and the ability to easily check whether you’re actually on a trusted site.

As far as performance goes, Mozilla is claiming that the FF3 outperforms competitors both in how quickly it processes JavaScript and how little memory it uses. The company has also been working on better caching methods that work particularly well with SSL-protected sites.

When asked about Microsoft’s recent public show of support for open standards and interoperability, Mozilla insisted that the Redmond behemoth still has a “mixed record” and that declaring support for CSS2.1 (a ten year old standard) is nothing to get excited about. The company points out that Microsoft has done nothing to support the next generation JavaScript spec and little to implement CSS3. The same goes for HTML5, the standard for offline functionality that has been embraced by Mozilla, Apple, and Opera.

Lastly, if you’re an iPhone owner who was hoping to run Firefox come summer, don’t hold your breath — the SDK license precludes apps like Firefox that interpret code. Mozilla does, however, still intend to ship a mobile version of Firefox. The platforms that will support it are yet to be seen.

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Safari for Windows is way faster than both and I’m a MSFT Fan!

 

Firefox is like internet explorer but with memory leaks and a bunch of crappy bloated add-ons.

 

We use both, IE and Firefox for a large scale web scraping project. Both browsers are controlled by the iMacros Scripting Interface and run continuously on serveral servers. This is a nice test of browser reliability, and Firefox wins this test hands down. Congrats to Mozilla!

 

Congratulations to the Mozilla team.

Firefox just keeps getting better with every release.

Looking forward to Firefox 3.

 

I’ll stick to IE7 and now 8, but competition is good in both directions, I’m glad to see the Mozilla folks getting the memory problem under control.

 

Looking forward to FF3! I hope that Microsoft will get a clue and make IE8 better, cause IE7 sucks. Crashes a lot, and just plain sucks. Firefox is by far the best browser I’ve ever seen overall.

 

First, MS openly rejects open standards, and their goose gets cooked. They slowly start to come around, but everyone keeps up the criticism against them. We get to the present, where Redmond has all but said they’re done fighting open source and open standards, and will at least attempt to work in harmony. Yet, the very people who started the finger-pointing to get them to move in that direction continue to be critical.

Can’t you guys give them *any* credit at all?

 

I used Firefox for awhile, but I got tired of the memory leaks and the crashing. Then I used Opera, which is nice, but I’m onto Safari. I’m a Mac guy at heart and love the way Safari renders the web.

 

i wonder in what way they are going to get the money from its users. or take some money at all. some ideas?

 
 

@Fed Req. - they don’t need to take money from users necessarily; they already generate revenue (about 90% of it) from Google search placement and other partners

 

I am digging FF3 on Mac & PC and can’t wait until it is in full release! Loving the “awesome bar”. I can’t stand IE & try avoid using except in work situations where I absolutely have to. MS just doesn’t get it!!

 

thanks Mark, i didnt think about it before…
does somebody know how much money is Mozilla generating thanks to Google Adsense?

 

“Good for the Web. Good for the World.”?

Biggest joke ever.

 

@Fede Req: In 2006, the last year for which they have released financials, Google search brough it $61 million for Mozilla Corp.

 

Wait, what? Why does this article claim that IE 7 only supports one language?

IE 7 ships in every language that Windows ships in. Which is a lot of them. I just looked and IE 7 definitely supports MUI, and the MUI version says it supports at least 32 languages. And then there are more than 55 additinoal languages supported via Language Interface Packs.

So yeah… where the heck did THAT come from?

 

FF3 is the best browser ever. Much faster than FF2 and no more memory leaks. Also much better than IE6, 7 or 8 although IE8 is moving in the right direction. IE can’t come close to FF’s customizability though. Tried previous versions of Safari and that was just horrible. Opera always looks nice, but just misses the plugins from FF.

 

@Brandon - The Mozilla team claimed that IE7 *shipped* with only one language supported.

 

Well that’s just silly. They didn’t mention that in the article, and clearly made it sounds like IE was only available in one language. The fact that international languages trailed by 2-3 weeks is hardly a big deal in my mind. Why is this an advantage for FF3 anyway? Shouldn’t they be comparing to IE8? Right now they’re bragging that FF3 has fewer languages than IE 7, 2 years later?

Pretty bizarre thing to brag about…

 

Firefox is a nice browser but they need to fix their GIGANTIC memory leak. They should stop making false statements like “IE only supports 1 language”.

 

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